Maybe the fact that it was a different time is why Graham was not taken to task like Rev. Wright. I am not sure why; this is just speculation. But I don’t believe Billy Graham made those statements from the pulpit.

To think there is someone in the white house who is LESS popular than Nixon, now that really is something !

Religious people are crazy

lookit me, i believe in magical flying people and virgin births
i believe in books written 2 thousand years ago which talk about witches

Way to keep the story alive, Stewart.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/.....-coverage/

obsessive, indeed.

PssttCmere @ 1:

Maybe the fact that it was a different time is why Graham was not taken to task like Rev. Wright. I am not sure why; this is just speculation. But I don’t believe Billy Graham made those statements from the pulpit.

SO?

He made them. He’s a racist asshole. And he was whispering these things in Nixon’s ear. Just like Wright is (supposedly) whispering them into Obama’s ear. Have the goalposts for what is outrage been moved again? I guess I haven’t been keeping up.

“Billy Graham remains a beloved figure. Jeremiah Wright said things I don’t imagine are much worse than that. Why is he such a flashpoint for controversy?”

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As I see it, the answers to that question are simple — although by no means pretty.

1) Wright is African-American

2) Wright is associated with a Democratic politician, whereas Graham has typically been associated with Republicans. (Rev. Hagee, as another example, is associated with a Republican candidate and yet his inflammatory remarks have received considerably less attention and criticism compared with those from Wright. Double standard? You betcha…)

i feel that if you believe in god, you are not in touch with reality

spirituality is merely a severe yet apparently admirable psychosis

its ok to believe in non existent make believe spiritual entities, but wrong to want to give children health insurance

2000 of Christian history PROVES that a christianity

is an enemy of peace, understanding, freedom, tolerance and goodness and a practitioner of genocide, torture, discrimination, indifference, sodomy,

rape, incest, and tax evasion!!

Is it the “no worse than Nixon” defense now?

Pathetic how far the Dems have sunk.

Wright’s crime is that he told the truth. Americans run from the truth like cockroaches flee from light.

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Q U E S T I O N:
Why must a candidate measure up to or be a self proclaimed “Christian” in order to become President of the USA?

1) I thought that there was to be a separation of religion from State?
2) I thought Americans were FREE to practice, OR NOT, ANY Religion each American chooses?
3) I thought Religious tests were unconstitutional?

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Yes, I recall Graham saying ‘the black man’ gave ‘whitey’ the Cancer.

no even close to sense

What’s the world come to, black people telling the truth about America. Until we exorcise the racist demons from our past, it will not be possible to move forward. Wish we could have seen a debate about some of thing Reverend Wright brought up.

http://www.actofstate.org

Will any candidate who was ever a Spike Lee or Will Smith (to name but a few) fan for 20+ years have to reject and denounce them because they too believe the govt was behind AIDS?

In fact, the book Jeremiah Wright pointed to by Horowitz, Emerging Viruses, was loosely used used as a basis for the film “I Am Legend” and they bought the rights to it. The book itself is actually in a scene of the movie.

The fact is, those beliefs are majorly prevalent in the US, especially so in the black community, and while that may be a stretch, most all of the other things Rev Wright pointed out were patently true.

when do we get to get after hagee?

i’m wound up like the tasmanian devil and ready to go, as any reasonable, sane, patriotic american ought to be…

Welcome to Armageddon

Actually it’s turning out to be pretty childish and low level stuff IMO.

If there is no validity to the aids claim, then the media should investigate. When ever someone starts hurling ad hominems “nut” . . “fruitcake” . . . “wackadoo” . . I just think they’re hiding something.

What haven’t governments (and churches) done to their own and to others?

PssttCmere @ 1:

Maybe the fact that it was a different time is why Graham was not taken to task like Rev. Wright. I am not sure why; this is just speculation. But I don’t believe Billy Graham made those statements from the pulpit.

Oh, come ON! Jeezus H. Keerist - like it’s OK to spout anti-Semetic hypocrisy in private?! At least Wright makes no bones about it . . . he’s goddam PROUD to be a fucking whack-job! Graham, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and their ilk merely pretended to be holy, when they actually were/are “wholly” nuts!

To me, the worst thing about it all is the glee with which the bigots refer to Wright as a racist. They just love the idea that racism could come from black people, which means racism must be a person’s personal fault rather than an institutional tool of oppression.

Graham was the Founding Father of TeeVee Evangelism. Started out with Circus Tent Revivals.

The one and only “Original Crusader In A Suit”

david blimmo @ 9:

Wright’s crime is that he told the truth. Americans run from the truth like cockroaches flee from light.

I watched one of Wrights sermons on Youtube, the one where they took the quotes out of context etc.
When a section of society is picked upon and treated like dirt by the establishment, they have every right to be suspicious and angry.

david blimmo @ 9:

Wright’s crime is that he told the truth. Americans run from the truth like cockroaches flee from light.

Uhhh… pretty much, yeah.

Great Post Man.

Why is he such a “flashpoint for controversy”? Because he is an African American. He is automatically suspect. I don’t see Hagee’s comments causing a stir. Why? Because he is a white fundamentalist. There has always been a double standard in this country.

If ya’ don’t have the balls to declare your atheism, at least go with a Buddhist Monk — they know how to keep quiet.

PssttCmere@1
If I were as ignorant as you appear to be, my life wouldn’t seem so complex and I would be happy. Aaahahahahahahahah!!!!

marko @ 7:

i feel that if you believe in god, you are not in touch with reality

spirituality is merely a severe yet apparently admirable psychosis

its ok to believe in non existent make believe spiritual entities, but wrong to want to give children health insurance

2000 of Christian history PROVES that a christianity

is an enemy of peace, understanding, freedom, tolerance and goodness and a practitioner of genocide, torture, discrimination, indifference, sodomy,

rape, incest, and tax evasion!!

Christianity is just one of the three Jewish sects: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. All three cults are steeped in the same Middle Eastern superstitous nonsense.

All three cults are centered on outrageous lies and are adhered to only by severely mentally ill people. All religious belief is symptomatic of Delusional Thought Disorder. Are there really billions of mentally ill people in the world? You betcha. At most, only 18% of any given population are free of delusional belief systems such as religion. But then, only 5% are capable of meaningful thought. The average IQ is only 100–retarded in my book.

Act of State @ 17:

If there is no validity to the aids claim, then the media should investigate. When ever someone starts hurling ad hominems “nut” . . “fruitcake” . . . “wackadoo” . . I just think they’re hiding something.

What haven’t governments (and churches) done to their own and to others?

I found it interesting how the recent research on Drosophila and the genetic and chemical effects on male and female behavior were announced,
guess what, follow the money and the grants come indirectly RW xtian fundies.
Sounds like to me they are pursuing a cure for ‘teh gay’ in humans.

How bout Falwell, Robertston, and Hagee and their pronouncements about the wrath of God as the reasons for each of the disasters that have befallen our country as well as the other calls from the Fundamentalist pastors of divine retaliation for our failure to embrace their faith. They do not ask for God to damn America but tell us that He already has.

While the assault of the purely tangental continues, NPR finally did a piece on the Pentagon Propaganda machine.

And of course we now know it is not illegal for the Corporate News Machines to be completely untruthful.

The fake news continues to be as vital as the purported real news. Jon Stewart is struggling mightily with this one.

L.A. Confidential @ 20:

Graham was the Founding Father of TeeVee Evangelism. Started out with Circus Tent Revivals.

The one and only “Original Crusader In A Suit”</blockquot graham is the original ELMER GANTRY!

ferrofluid @ 21:

david blimmo @ 9:

Wright’s crime is that he told the truth. Americans run from the truth like cockroaches flee from light.

I watched one of Wrights sermons on Youtube, the one where they took the quotes out of context etc.
When a section of society is picked upon and treated like dirt by the establishment, they have every right to be suspicious and angry.

Aids from the Government? The Tuskegee Experiment? Small Pox on Blankets? People are scared of the Truth. There’s no doubt about that. Even when it is part of the mainstream knowledge. The power of denial and the power of ignorance is going to have to be overcome if we are going to succeed in preventing madmen like Bush and his friends from running this country into the ground. The Enron effect.

Mike @ 3:

Religious people are crazy

lookit me, i believe in magical flying people and virgin births
i believe in books written 2 thousand years ago which talk about witches

i respect agnostics and pragmatic believers over fundamentalist fanatics and dogmatic atheists.

I will not defend Wright even though he didn’t say he aggreed with Farakan only that he is listened to by all black people. Even though he didn’t accuse the us government of causing aides only that the US government has done some documented awful things like sell nerve gas to Iraq, tusguegee experiment, etc. and that means we are capable of awful things. these things are true. All I can say is that I am so proud that Barack Obama is running for President. He is a man that can suffer more slings and arrows than Hillary, bill. and all the rest. You think Hillary knows how to take a punch? She can’t handle shit. What happens when they come looking for her nutjob spiritual advisor past. You notice that no one in Obama’s campaign is coming for her? That is because he forbid it. Not like McCain pretended to forbid his campaign from going negative. NOt like the chicken shit way Hillary goes negative acting like it is the Voters who decide to attack him with a bunch of bullshit. He really didn’t come after her/ That is one strong motherfucking black man. Reminds me of Jackie Robinson. He takes all the the injuries and gets up and keeps walking. I am more proud of him this week than before. As Doctor Martin Luther King JR. said many years ago. ” Lord knows I get tired. When I get criticism from other Negroes lord knows I get tired. But I have faith. I have faith. ” This comment post broaght to you by certified stupid white men for Barack Obama for president.

david blimmo @ 27:

marko @ 7:

i feel that if you believe in god, you are not in touch with reality

spirituality is merely a severe yet apparently admirable psychosis

its ok to believe in non existent make believe spiritual entities, but wrong to want to give children health insurance

2000 of Christian history PROVES that a christianity

is an enemy of peace, understanding, freedom, tolerance and goodness and a practitioner of genocide, torture, discrimination, indifference, sodomy,

rape, incest, and tax evasion!!

Christianity is just one of the three Jewish sects: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. All three cults are steeped in the same Middle Eastern superstitous nonsense.

All three cults are centered on outrageous lies and are adhered to only by severely mentally ill people. All religious belief is symptomatic of Delusional Thought Disorder. Are there really billions of mentally ill people in the world? You betcha. At most, only 18% of any given population are free of delusional belief systems such as religion. But then, only 5% are capable of meaningful thought. The average IQ is only 100–retarded in my book.

and when you take the average as 100, half the population falls below that !!!!!!!!!
Of course IQ is subjective and also a measure of educationa and culture and a bit of brain power.
but still scary and partly explains how we get Chimpy for eight glorious years and a possible fours year of McSenile
scary stuff indeed.

hahaha

Testing 1 2 3

bullfrog @ 32:

Mike @ 3:

Religious people are crazy

lookit me, i believe in magical flying people and virgin births
i believe in books written 2 thousand years ago which talk about witches

i respect agnostics and pragmatic believers over fundamentalist fanatics and dogmatic atheists.

Oh boy. The dogmatic atheist canard.

I suppose it’s possible that there are people who are utterly certain, merely on faith, that there is no god, and who would be willing to consider no evidence to the contrary. But I am rather agnostic about their existence.

In Britain in one book from long ago, they documented a research project that measured how a bio weapon would travel through a city,
back in the 60s the US gov released a mostly harmless bug which spread and killed a recovering patient at a NY hospital
One of the many nasty things they do in the name of research and gov.

As this article explains well, the double-standard crap happens because black people still get lumped together, but white people are allowed to be individuals:

“hold black people to higher standards”

We’re freaking nuts. Thats the bottom line.

Karen @ 37:

bullfrog @ 32:

Mike @ 3:

Religious people are crazy

lookit me, i believe in magical flying people and virgin births
i believe in books written 2 thousand years ago which talk about witches

i respect agnostics and pragmatic believers over fundamentalist fanatics and dogmatic atheists.

Oh boy. The dogmatic atheist canard.

I suppose it’s possible that there are people who are utterly certain, merely on faith, that there is no god, and who would be willing to consider no evidence to the contrary. But I am rather agnostic about their existence.

Its not faith, its well documented human suffering here on earth, all the empirical evidence points to the fact there is no God or gods.
Pick a shroud waving human subject of misery and say honestly that there is a ‘fantasy fairy in the sky’ that loves you and enjoys innocent children dying of cancer or other hidious things.

L.A. Confidential @ 40:

We’re freaking nuts. Thats the bottom line.

and proud of it, proud to be a human being with a conscience and morality, and happy to help others in need.

david blimmo @ 27:

marko @ 7:

i feel that if you believe in god, you are not in touch with reality

spirituality is merely a severe yet apparently admirable psychosis

its ok to believe in non existent make believe spiritual entities, but wrong to want to give children health insurance

2000 of Christian history PROVES that a christianity

is an enemy of peace, understanding, freedom, tolerance and goodness and a practitioner of genocide, torture, discrimination, indifference, sodomy,

rape, incest, and tax evasion!!

Christianity is just one of the three Jewish sects: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. All three cults are steeped in the same Middle Eastern superstitous nonsense.

All three cults are centered on outrageous lies and are adhered to only by severely mentally ill people. All religious belief is symptomatic of Delusional Thought Disorder. Are there really billions of mentally ill people in the world? You betcha. At most, only 18% of any given population are free of delusional belief systems such as religion. But then, only 5% are capable of meaningful thought. The average IQ is only 100–retarded in my book.

That’s some sunshine in your life, there.

I’m an atheist myself but I like to think our civilization is on the cusp of an awakening.

ferrofluid @ 41:

Karen @ 37:

bullfrog @ 32:

Mike @ 3:

i respect agnostics and pragmatic believers over fundamentalist fanatics and dogmatic atheists.

Oh boy. The dogmatic atheist canard.

I suppose it’s possible that there are people who are utterly certain, merely on faith, that there is no god, and who would be willing to consider no evidence to the contrary. But I am rather agnostic about their existence.

Its not faith, its well documented human suffering here on earth, all the empirical evidence points to the fact there is no God or gods.
Pick a shroud waving human subject of misery and say honestly that there is a ‘fantasy fairy in the sky’ that loves you and enjoys innocent children dying of cancer or other hidious things.

Maybe god is cruel. Maybe god is nuts. Your argument might rule out a good god, but not necessarily any kind of god.

But anyway, my point was to critique the oft-spoken phrase “dogmatic atheist.” The current headline-making atheists are not dogmatic.

and not in need of ghosts and fantasy voices in the sky to prod me to be a human being.

ferrofluid @ 42:

L.A. Confidential @ 40:

We’re freaking nuts. Thats the bottom line.

and proud of it, proud to be a human being with a conscience and morality, and happy to help others in need.

I meant the Country.