Hillary schools Bill O'Reilly on Universal healthcare
By SilentPatriot Wednesday Apr 30, 2008 9:00pm
Hillary Clinton doesn't bite when BillO tries to bully her into admitting that her health care plan would "bankrupt the country." In fact, she quickly shuts down his straw man argument and schools him on why providing quality health care to all Americans is a moral issue while explaining clearly how she intends to pay for it.
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"If we don't [pass universal health care], we'll meet here again in five or ten years, we'll have more uninsured people, the prices will have continued to go up because we will not have put into place the safeguards and the accountability that our health care system needs."
John Amato: BillO tries to use the age old "socialism" conservative talking point when describing any form of universal health care, but that doesn't hold up to the realities of everyday life in our country because people are struggling just to fill up their gas tanks let alone trying to carry incredibly high health care insurance costs for their families. And the idiotic tax break proposed by John McCain will have zero impact on the problem.
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Fuck Bill O'Reilly!!!
My oh my how life goes on.
I heard on the radio earlier today that tomorrow (May 2nd) is NATIONAL HONESTY DAY, which means that Faux News apparently will be off the air for 24 hours, I guess.
And everyone in the Bush administration will have to "Shut Up!!!" for 24 hours, and Dana Perino will have to forego any press conference tomorrow. Whooopee!!
BTW, how does one know when someone in the Bush administration is lying? Their lips are moving..
How sweet to see the tables turned. I love how she kicks O'reilly ass with a smile. What depressing is how the Obmaniacs only respond with shrill screams about "Billary the bitch" (exact quote from Americablog) and "Shillary is such an elitist she doesn't know how to operate a cappuccino machine". I'm so sick of the misogynistic attacks.
Hillary is so much smarter on this subject than big ugly. Or any subject.
I like that Hillary.
Pass on the Iraq war Hillary.
Imperfect world eh?
In Canada our health care system works very well. The only problem here is that people over use the free care. IMO universal health care is a right and not something to be run for profit. But people do have to start taking better care of themselves and not burden the system with diseases that are preventable, such as smoke related illness.
BillO and McInsane and all the other assholes who don’t want to do anything about healthcare (have you heard what McFuckhead’s plan for healthcare is?) do not care about it because…. They have the BEST God Damn health insurance that there is. They have no worries about it. Throw them out on the streets with not enough money to fill their gas tanks and buy a decent meal for their families and then break their fucking arm and send them off to try to get it fixed. Oh make sure they have a house so that it can be taken away. These jerks (I only use the word jerk because I don’t want to swear) do not care about anybody but themselves. Why would a person vote for somebody like McCain who has no idea? And why would that same person watch O’Shithead and quote him to his friends?
One day Rev. Wright is Obama's personal pastor and 20-year friend presiding at his wedding and baptising his daughters. Next day he is a "hateful", "divisive", and evil demonic monster. I hate to see what Obama does to his 'real' friends.
Just so we're clear, H Clinton is also in favor of the gas tax sham.
Ah the sweet smell of pandering......................
Way to go Hillary Clinton on Health Care! This is the way to shut down the wingnut extremist, big mouth bullying liar, Lord of the Lunitic Fringe, BillO Lielly.. Once you can get a word in edgewise, you state the truth, the facts (add a pinch of common sense) and you don't back down and Whaala! The big baby starts whining.......
Sheila @ 4:
Things aren't looking to good for Obama right now. He'd be a great Prez but he's getting his "political education"
Anyone ( even Mccrazy) could school billio on any subject
I am very bitter about this.
Well, at least the economy is doing well.
Sheila @ 4:
50 something and older female baby boomers need to realize that the world doesnt revolve around them.
You cant translate the typical female matriarchal family structure to government and everything.
HRC had eight years to pass UHC, she got bought off and sidetracked by the lobbyists,
a third real term and enforced insurances premiums for people who can barely afford to eat and pay their utility bills would be insane and cruel.
A social health care program (UHC) with everybody in it is the only fair way in a modern country.
U.S. Constitution:
There's no way to provide for the PUBLIC HEALTH without Universal Health Care - provided at government (tax-payer) expense.
If all the whiners want to call the US Constitution a SOCIALIST DOCUMENT .. so be it.
Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that Capitalism (ie Corporate Fascism) should be our economic system. In fact it sounds a lot more like a Democratic Socialist document.
Until profit is removed from the Health Care System the American Public will continue to have poor health.
Listen--America is in a deep rut--a snick hole.O'reily was right--how are you going to pay for it? But the @ss give her an out--there is 15-20% fraud.
Now consider this---Iraq/Afaghistan invasion bill has not been paid for $3 trillion ++,American Pisso is becoming worthless--Iran says--No oil in Pissos.Now,Hillary--how are you going to pay for free meds,when your country is FKN broke?
Captain Bitter Elitist Hussein Kangaroo @ 14:
I'm out of outrage. I'm just bitter now too.
Sheila @ 4:
Ditto!
Sheila @ 4:
How dare you. Why don't you spend your time critiquing John McCain instead of baiting those who would care to vote for Obama instead of Clinton. I'm so sick of you people.
Marty @ 6:
war = lovely profits
MountainMan23 @ 17:
well said
For the love of God, UHC is not the second coming of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, BillO! And if we state that UHC can't be paid for, what do we shellack out money for to slaughter Iraqis and Afghans for, hmm? What in Hell alternate reality does BillO live in? The sheer hate at Hillary makes me want to vote for her, dammit. And I don't even like her!
Sheila @ 4:
So you thought that you would give them credit by quoting them? That is some sickness.
Boop @ 15:
Walmart and Bestbuy shareholders are ecstatic, all those lovely tax 'refunds' (pay back later in higher taxes)
H.R. 676
This bill, co-sponsered by Conyers and Kucinich provides for Universal, Single Payer, health insurance.
It provides health care for everyone, and it pays for itself by dealing the health insurance industry right out of the deck.
Call your congressperson, and if s/he tries to palm off the "Socialized Medicine" on you (which your congressperson does enjoy for himself), thank s/him for his forthright response and inform s/him you intend to find his replacement.
Sheila @ 4:
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WOW now I know why i ended my time at Ablog. That comment made was very pissy and insultive. John has gone downhill since it became a ´´private war´´ for him with obama and hillary. I am glad i came back here after almost 5 yrs leaving. Now to get on with it,, I think hillary did rather well with Billy boy. Its time to do whats right for the ameircan dems, not because one blog hates another. Lets not have another Mike DIkokis event and see it all fall into flames.
Best regards.. and now iam off to work. take alles and danke C&L for a excellent blog. One that does not spread candy around a certian prez running for the nomination!
ttyl
:)
Jesse @ 9:
Wow, where did that come from and how irrelevant to the topic at hand. I understand...the end is near...you see it and you're bitter. You win some, and you lose some. Obama survived again and it's killing you. Don't worry, Hillary...I mean Karl Rove will create another "scandal" soon. Good luck pal. LOL.
Jesse @ 9:
I am confused. Was Obama on the show too or have I found troll droppings?
General_Rennenkampf @ 23:
A few things the next administration needs to do, inclusive UHC, a living minimum wage, reduce the subsidies to fat cat industries and farmers etc,
sensible financial policies, and no overseas wars of aggression and reduce the US military down to a world average and used for defense only.
and go back to the UN and talk world peace and WORLD disarmament.
I don't get what all the Hillary cheering is about.
She won a point in a spitting contest? Whoo hoo!
She was first lady for 8 years, which she counts as "experience", during which time she met secretly (like Cheney and his energy guys) with insurance companies or god knows who.
She's been US senator for 8 years, and in those 16 years of "experience", what has she accomplished towards the goal of "universal health care"? It's worse than ever!
It's VERY misleading to call these plans universal health *care*.
It's not universal, and it's not care.
At best it's (private) insurance reform proposals which don't stand a chance of passing.
These so called *universal health care* plans are nothing more than giveaways to the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies on the backs of those who can't even afford the bare minimum of (private) health insurance as it is.
Yet she will mandate that you buy it, or else be fined or have your wages garnished.
But hooray for Hillary for standing up to billo. Way to go, hill.
I'm bitter too.
Sheila @ 4:
I was undecided. Watching Hillary go through that spoon fed interview with Bill convinced me to vote for Obama. I'm not going to vote for any candidate that Fox News supports. It was sickening to watch.
Jesse @ 9:
Wasn't Obama a state and now national senator in his day job, while the Rev. Wright stayed in Chicago? Kinda a big commute just to go that church every Sunday from his jobs, what with his family and all.
Please, at least think before posting a talking point that sounds good and then collapses at first thought.
I think what honks me off the most about Bill Orally is that his shows are never live - always recorded, and thus edited. At least Olbermann & some others have the nuts to go live.
That said, has Orally commented on his "interview" with Clinton on tonight's program? I'm sure he got some kicks in since no one would be around to argue with him.
"And the idiotic tax break proposed by John McCain will have zero impact on the problem".
You mean the idiotic tax break proposed by McCain and endorsed by Clinton? That one?
John Amato: BillO tries to use the age old “socialism” conservative talking point when describing any form of universal health care
True but basically BillO uses the socialism tag to describe most anything liberal. You get between him getting richer and his making America the kind of "traditional" country he thinks it should be and you're a socialist or worse.
Speaking of worse, BillO pulled a nasty one tonight when discussing the DC Madam's death. He said she (Palfrey) was trying to ruin the lives of the men on her list for no apparent reason and that her death was karma catching up with her. He said she should have paid the price and kept her mouth shut. Damn man, that's cold.
Socialism? I for one think we need socialism, and I don't give a fug what anybody thinks about that.
ezpz @ 31:
At the company where I work, we had a 40% increase in the cost of our HI premiums, company absorbed 15% we got a 25% increase.
So a lot of the younger or single people have dropped their HI and are now uninsured, they get injured and they are screwed.
What government can operate without some vestige of 'socialism'? If I were religious, I would quote the part about being my brother's keeper. Are we to kick the unfortunates into the gutter? Or are we so self centered as to be demanding to keep everything for ourselves?
Oh, and as Chaz #10 pointed out and worthy of another mention for the record, Hillary is also for the same gas tax gimmick as Mccain - the one that experts, pundits, politicians of both parities think is irresponsible.
Oblagon @ 37:
Certainly our unrestrained capitalism's heading for a big fall....
Tactic: Take someone's strength and make it into a weakness. Boy, has that been a golden mantra for the right.
Stevens @ 36:
Its almost a given that she was murdered by forces working for her ex clients.
Billo and everybody in the MSM knows this and is sending out a message to any whistle blower or possible dissedent.
LaFajita @ 26:
I didn't even know this existed. There's even a web page!
http://www.hr676.org/
RIP Deborah Jean Palfrey, may your killers rot in hell.
here's my gripe with that "socialism" response to a universal hc proposal from the majority of conservatives:
a universal hc system would relieve a tremendous amount of expenses on businesses. crippling expenses.
why on earth does our current system (or lack thereof) seem to be good enough?
Um, Hillary supports the gas tax break too
After watching Hillary take it to O'Reilly...she is our best candidate....
check it out gang.....and spread the word.....
electoral maps dated May 1
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May01.html
(Obama 243 - McCain 269 - Tied 26)
and then check
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May01.html
(Clinton 291- McCain 247)
Obama goes on FOX and folds like a cheap suit ... Clinton goes on FOX and puts BillO in his place ... gee, I wonder which one should be president???
Go Hillary!
BAC
My apologies to C&L in advance and if you must delete I am sorry.
OReilly is a dirty rotten #$%&^&* liar with his it will bankrupt the country bs. Like his trillion dollar invasion of Iraq is a profit center. Give me a break!
Sensitive issue for me as I have a deaf daughter and am denied equal access to health insurance.
Go f*&k youeself, BillO.
(edited. I try to keep the profanity down where I see it. I'm so sorry about your daughter.)
1. Did Bill coach Hillary in how to respond to Fox? If 'yes' - Good Job Bill.
2. Why is there no mention of anybody looking at what the rest of the world does about Healthcare. Holland supposedly has the best system. Why doesn't someone involve Michael Moore, who apparently has looked at many systems? Is it that Michael Moore is much hated because he continues to expose the republicans' ineptitude?
Too bad that the greedy capitalists have tagged socialism as a dirty word.
Michael Moore explained the French system on LKL yesterday.
Maybe they pay more taxes as we know them, but they get REAL universal health care, and higher education for those taxes.
If we were to factor in what we pay for health care premiums, copays, etc, AND the exorbitant cost of higher education, we pay tons more than they do and get much less for the buck.
Oblagon @ 37:
socialism is the future. capitalism is the new dinosaur and that will become apparent in the next few months.
If only Hilary spent as much energy fighting Fox as she does MoveOn, Keith Olbermann etc. Making Bill look like an ass isn't really all that challenging anyway.
BAC @ 49:
Sure, performing on FOX should determine who is our next President. Dumb ass troll.
General_Rennenkampf @ 23:
MountainMan23 @ 17:
ferrofluid @ 16:
Three excellently stated comments. The hope is that liberals will remember that both H. Clinton and Obama's health care plans will continue to leave the insurance and pharmaceutical companies in the equation, which places profits over the needs of the people in this country. Perhaps this is the reason why the corporate media and Clinton and Obama are terrified that Nader should receive a public forum to air his views [such as his single payer health care system and his advocating the total and immediate withdrawal of troops from that slaughterhouse in Iraq], since that would expose how the two major Democratic candidates are so beholden to the corporate interests, which wants the insurance and drug companies to continue to reign supreme.
She owned him.
BAC @ 49:
Obama did that badly on Faux ! Whowouldhavethunkit, we all warned him to stay away from that place.
Facts?
Jesse @ 9:
Um, yeah, what does this have to do with HRC, BOR or healthcare?
Tomorrow someone will ask you if you would like some more water, and you will say "One day Rev. Wright is Obama's personal pastor and 20-year friend presiding at his wedding and baptising his daughters. Next day he is a "hateful", "divisive", and evil demonic monster. I hate to see what Obama does to his 'real' friends."
Knucklehead!
They talk about who, between Obama and Hillary, won which state in the primary. Does this really matter in the general election? If the number of misogynists and the number of racists within the Democratic party are about equal, it does not matter. The only 2 questions then remain will the higher number of those two equal the number of Ann Coulters, who claimed she would vote for Hillary if McCain was the repulsive candidate, and how many more new voters registered as Democrats than repusives. This is hoping that must will proceed with my attitude: I will vote for anyone but McCain or any repulsive.
When will Billo ask for privatizing the police and the schoolsystem?
For the record, HRC did not "put Billo in his place," as some have suggested. Actually, it was a trap and HRC fell right into it. BillO got exactly what he wanted from this interview. (1) He pushed the Limbaugh-Hannity-BillO conspiracy which consists of supporting the HRC candidacy in the hope of helping to stretch the Dems race -- so to have the party implode in internal fighting. (2) He legitimized his own tv program and his personal right wing stance as a "fair and balanced" interviewer. (3) He got HRC to say the stupidest things, such as "God bless the rich."
She absolutely took him behind the woodshed and spanked him. And, she did it without changing her demeanor; it was done with class and a smile.
She's for the gas tax break if we take the money from the oil companies. What a concept. They just posted record-breaking profits.
I'd like to see Obama take on O'Reilly. He just did a puff piece with Meredith V. Let's see him face the Lion's Den.
Um, John - you forgot to mention that Hillary is supporting that 'idiotic tax break' too. But I know it just slipped your mind, right?
Healthcare went south once government got involved 35 or so years ago. They completely messed it up.
There is no free market in healthcare, and no matter how much anyone cries about it, whines about it, or thinks anything but negativity towards it, the ultimate fact remains that only by totally opening up healthcare services to whoever wants to provide it, as well as allowing anyone to seek out the jealthcare services from them, can we have any chance of saving healthcare.
People who have no idea how society works usually try to claim that anyone who speaks out against healthcare is an empty-headed socialism hater. By trying to paint those in favor of freeing up the system as radicals who yell out "socialist!!" whenever anyone says anything against government run healthcare, the hope for the socialists is that they will end up being the "compassionate" ones, and those who are in favor of a totally open system as cold hearted bastards.
The fact remains that when government gets involved in society in anything other than protection, there is no way for them to know which methods are most effective, as well as the most inexpensive when quality is not a problem.
For some reason or another, these healthcare socialists think that they know how to best spend other people's money. Try as they may to seem like they "just want to help out everyone", healthcare socialists are, at their core, simply scared people who do not trust free people. Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, this site, and may others use idiots like Bill O'Reilly as a puppet in order to advance their own agenda. The hope is that by trying to get everyone to focus on O'Reilly, who is against universal healthcare, then people may just think that ALL those in favor of a free market in healthcare are like him. Nice try!
I think it is INCREDIBLY arrogant to think that any one person or group of people should have the authority to make a COUNTRY-WIDE DECISION about how to spend other people's money. Why do you thumb your nose at those people who simply cannot afford more taxes? Why do you thumb your nose at the only system (totally free society) that is capable of lowering prices over time and thus help the poor? Tell me, who the hell can afford both higher taxes AND higher healthcare costs?
RESPONSIBILITY. This has been lost. It is time that the people of this country stop blaming and start thinking. The reason healthcare costs are so bloody high in this country is because government got involved in it. PERIOD. No amount of whining, ad hominem, tsk tsks, name-calling, or any other diversionary tactics will change this fact.
The government screwed up bigtime in healthcare, with the money abysses that are Medicaid, Medicare, insurance companies, and all the other regulated, government-granted monopoly healthcare providers. After all this, after all the problems, you want MORE government involvement? Have you all lost your minds? Stop pretending to be the only people that care about people's health. People in favor of a free market in healthcare want better health as well.
You simply have no idea that more money in something DOES NOT MEAN BETTER SERVICE. In fact, when companies are subsidized by the government, service and quality slowly deteriorate over time, because there is less COMPETITION for customer solicitation. If you are guaranteed money every year, why the hell would you try harder to improve? Come on folks, this is simple friggin logic here.
Stop being so afraid of free people. You will not make society better by making it more rigid. If people are free, then they tend to get along more. This fact is undisputable. But when you start to get government subsidies, monopoly privileges, unfair legislation, and favors (which the system is completely RIFE with), the name of the game is no longer to compete for customers. The free market is lost. The name of the game becomes a competition of bureacracy and for government favors and friendships.
And stop thinking that Bill O'Reilly represents those people who are in favor of a free market in healthcare, it is insulting and destructive.
And why in the world is this site taking sides with Hillary on anything? Is talking with O'Reilly the only way that could happen? Hillary is a TERRIBLE person. She's down there with O'Reilly as some of the worst talking heads in America.
Too bad we couldn't have seen more of this side of Hillary Clinton more consistently throughout the campaign. A day ago she offered the idiotic gas tax leniency. Had she talked this common-sensibly on other issues and more frequently, she'd might be in the lead.
forestyan @ 63:
Exactly right!
She cozies up to Billo and says 'God bless us rich people' and she calls OBAMA the elitist?
Have the 8 years of the Bush regime clouded everyone's sensibilities and judgment and ability to discern?
There's only one Democrat in this race, and it ain't Hillary any more than Joe LIeberman was a democrat.
Since do reich-wingers care about moral issues?
clinton legitamizes this clown, and amato posts a clip of the interview to show that she can school lufa boy in health care???? duh
except her program has huge holes in it, which, if lufa boy was smart enough to read, he couldve questioned her about it
so lufa boy doesnt mind paying a premium for sick people who cant afford health insurance??? bullshit
and john, why dont you show the part of the interview, where lufa boy asks clinton about wright and she replies "i guess the voters will have to decide"...funny, i thought hillary was running against obama, not wright
f&^k lufa boy...and f&^k clinton
she isnt a fighter, shes a do anything, say anythng and fuck anything to get political power bitch
elect her as pres, and as soon as her policies fail, and she loses congress, just like her hubby, she will be triangulating and selling out to the repugs
hillary doesn't school anyone on anything.
"HILLARY WEARS COTTON CANDY PINK IN DESPERATE EFFORT TO WIN OVER IRRELEVENT C.I.A. MEDIA-PLANT CORPORATIST DOUCHE BAG WHO ENJOYS DILDOS UP HIS @$$."
Boop @ 59:
You want facts? How about that both Clinton and Obama have received hundreds of thousands of campaign contributions from Wall Street. How about that neither one of them is supporting a single payer health care plan, which would, to their annoyance, eliminate the insurance and drug companies from profiting from the woes of the working and poor families of this country. Ralph Nader is not accepting monies from PACs while all of his opponents have eagerly accepted donations from large corporations. That probably has a lot to do with why Nader was shut out in the debates during the summer of 2000 and why the networks and the cable programs, along with the three major candidates, would certainly rejoice if Nader was once again barred from having his viewpoint heard on the corporate airwaves.
Drew, go back to the cult sites you seem to be echoing on the unfortunate basis that you know no better.
thx
Boop @ 74:
You forgot to read:
"No amount of whining, ad hominem, tsk tsks, name-calling, or any other diversionary tactics will change this fact."
Care to contribute a refutation?
John, I have no idea what you meant. Socialism ... dont hold up? Do you know what socialism is? Do you understand that virtually all of the programs in the US that actually work are socialized? Do you understand that most if not all of what she said was said by Teddy Roosevelt (R) a hundred years ago - in soft focus?
Sounds to me as if you are allowing fascist thugs to dictate the dialog. The most important thing she said you didnt mention - its a moral issue. She called his position immoral. I dont like the clintons, but it is a moral issue - the very existence of this extremist hard right philosophy is a moral issue.
You are dealing with people that conflate profits with morality ... who protect their rights by denying yours ... who kill to set the stage for a more favorable energy market.
Its time to reclaim the center and reposition these people where they actually are ... on the extreme right. It is also time to reclaim the moral high ground by identifying these people as morally bankrupt.
Erroll @ 73:
uncle joe hussein mccarthy @ 71:
You do have a way with words. I completely agree.
And not only would she lose congress, but she would probably be impeached in her first year for all the lies and fraud which are sure to catch up with her and hubby.
Military-Industrial Socialism
Incredibly, the American tax payer already pays for healthcare for millions of people. The American tax payer pays for healthcare, retirement, kids college, autos, housing, food, and discretionary spending for millions of people. Some of the trillions spent on the war -- on the industrial side of the complex -- even goes for the multi-million dollar salaries of CEOs; our Nomenklatura.
The "fiscal conservatism" canard as long meant "spending money on what we want to spend it on." Socialism or not, there's no reason to call spending on healthcare or infrastructure, or education or drug treatment or urban renewal, etc, socialism and not the war "effort."
Erroll @ 73:
nader???
ralph nader is a showboating asshat, who comes out of his hole once every four years to irritate the shit out of everyone
sure, he has lots of good ideas, but he is too big to run for a smaller office and use that as his platform
no...he has to run for prez and do nothing but bitch and moan about everyone else
tell you what...once nader divests himself of his corporate stock portfolio, maybe ill think about voting for him for dogcatcher
until that day, he is a nagging nuisance, no better than the old man who yells at kids to get off his grass