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Mid-Day Open Thread

Today in US History, 1925: John Scopes was arrested in Dayton, Tennessee for teaching Darwin’s theory of evolution to his high school biology class. h/t This Week in Peace History.

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AngryOne Says:

From the outset of the Iraq war, Republican leaders and their amen corner in the right-wing media have sought to calm squeamish Americans by favorably comparing the violence there to life in U.S. cities. Now, John March, a developer planning (believe it or not) a “Disneyland-style” theme park in Baghdad, says the carnage in the Iraqi capital is no different than the “drive-bys” in Southern California. But while grotesque, the analogy is not novel: it has already been repeatedly deployed by the GOP’s best and brightest, including presidential nominee John McCain.

For details, see:
“GOP: Baghdad Still Safer Than U.S. Cities.”

The way things are today, he would probably be arrested in some areas of the country for doing the same thing today.

Last night on 60 Minutes did anyone watch the story about the doctor? What an incredible man he is and the things he has done and is still doing make him my idea of a real life hero.

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AF Comm Guy Says:

Interesting. I just got done reading a story on Fark about a substitute teacher in Florida who lost his job for…wait for it…”wizardry.” I kid you not.

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ysbaddaden Says:

And the moral of the movie Inherit the Wind is if you teach evolution, you’ll end up marrying Samantha, and getting Endora for a mother-in-law.

It’s pretty amazing how this is still a timeless case. The Scopes trial was well depicted in the original “Inherit the Wind” starring Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn. We can only hope unintelligent design will be removed when Obama or Clinton takes office.

I can’t seem to locate it but there must be a transcript of last week on Morning Joe, I believe it was Friday. Joe was joking around about Hillary asking people to bet on Eight Belles. Joe made jokes about what would happen if her horse had a problem and had to taken off “to the glue factory”. I wondered if Joe would bring the Derby up on his show this morning but if he did, I didn’t hear it.

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ysbaddaden Says:

5 Puritan Peddlers

I think you’re thinking of Adam’s Rib

Katherine Hepburn wasn’t in Inherit the Wind

But Colonel Potter was.

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Toi Su Says:

And yet still today, insane Christofascists around the world _still_ seek to deny children a science education, demanding that science destroys their insane god delusions. Which it does.

How are these insane Christian fascists any different than their Islamic colleagues?

Oh. That’s right. They aren’t one bit different. They’re all insane mass murdering fascist piles of ignorant shit.

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Marc Says:

Prayer in school? Pray to whom? Buddha? Krishna? Or Reverend Moon?
Drink the kool aid, close your eyes, everything’s gonna be alright

-Wackiavelli

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Weaseldog Says:

Toi Su @ 8:

And yet still today, insane Christofascists around the world _still_ seek to deny children a science education, demanding that science destroys their insane god delusions. Which it does.

How are these insane Christian fascists any different than their Islamic colleagues?

Oh. That’s right. They aren’t one bit different. They’re all insane mass murdering fascist piles of ignorant shit.

Science is the practice of discovering questions by finding answers.
Science is advanced by asking questions.

Asking questions is a sin, in the eyes of fundamentalism.

Creationism teaches that everything knowable about God is bound in the pages of the Holy Bible. That God can take no action or think no thought that isn’t explicitly described in the Holy Bible. He is a fossil, a fixed unchanging rock.

Because God is a limited being that can perform no action outside the Holy Bible, fundamentalists no everything he has done or will do, so they can say with complete authority that God did this, or God did that.

That is how they know that God didn’t invent Evolution. If he did, the Holy Bible would say so. And God can’t do anything that isn’t written in the bible.

We also know that God can’t play guitar. Because there are no guitars in the Holy Bible.

And as the Holy Bible makes no reference to the English Language and the early Bibles were written in Hebrew and Greek, then clearly God can’t understand prayers spoken in English.

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gempei Says:

Toi Su @ 8:

“¡Muera la inteligencia! ¡Viva la Muerte!” (”Death to intelligence! Long live death!”)

José Millán-Astray y Terreros (July 5, 1879 – January 1, 1954) founder and first commander of the Spanish Foreign Legion, and a major early figure of Francisco Franco’s Regime in Spain. (Wikipedia, but it should be accurate)

Some things just don’t change, do they?

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YourMom Says:

Life in Red State part 354:

The current biology teacher at our local high school refuses to cover evolution. It is part of the curriculum, but when she gets to the chapter on evolution she kips it. To cover herself, she tells the class it is against her religion, but they can read it in their own time if they want to.

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YourMom Says:

… should say “skips”

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♠Bangkok-Bob♠ Says:

83 Years … 83 YEARS !! … and there is hardly any change of mindset. The same whacko’s of yesteryear would still deny children true knowledge and rather opt for superstitions and religious fantasy.

The Religions have chipped away at the mental evolution of men.

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Gary Says:

Ahh yes, Darwins theory.

Theory I said.

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fastfeat Says:

“I looked deep into his soul and asked him ‘What does it really feel like to BE a WINNER?’”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....-515h.html

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xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says:

Be warned: there are Wizards among us!

http://www.tampabays10.com/new.....ryid=79533

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xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says:

15 Gary Says: Ahh yes, Darwins theory.

Theory I said.

Which is indeed the scientific name for it, but what exactly is your point?

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♠Bangkok-Bob♠ Says:

fastfeat @ 16:

“I looked deep into his soul and asked him ‘What does it really feel like to BE a WINNER?’”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news.....-515h.html

The DOG is the only winner in that crowd.

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ysbaddaden Says:

15 Gary Says: Ahh yes, Darwins theory.

Theory I said.
_________________________________________________

And cIntelligent Designm

A religious doctrine

Not a theory at all.

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♠Bangkok-Bob♠ Says:

ysbaddaden @ 19:

15 Gary Says: Ahh yes, Darwins theory.

Theory I said.
_________________________________________________

And cIntelligent Designm

A religious doctrine

Not a theory at all.

a pipe dream

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Give him a listen & thanks in advance.

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xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says:

It is not even a religious doctrine. Intelligent design is a political doctrine.

Best bumper sticker I have ever seen said, “Evolution is a theory just like gravity is a theory”

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♠Bangkok-Bob♠ Says:

pissed off patricia @ 23:

Best bumper sticker I have ever seen said, “Evolution is a theory just like gravity is a theory”

Thats pretty good, where can I get one?

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emphasa Says:
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Ratface Says:

Yes fastfeat theory = science. Absolute fact (Noah’s Ark, The talking
snake, blah blah blah) is fact. No argument, no discussion. Give me a
break?

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Brando Says:

Yes, Theory as in Scientific Theory, not Theory as in “Hmm, I’ve got an idea.” One’s a scientific model based on evidence, observation, is testable and makes predictions. The other one is just a hypothesis, but unfortunately most folks get the two crossed. If you deny evolution is an accurate model explaining the diversity of life on Earth, chances are A.) you weren’t properly educated on it and therefore don’t understand it B.) you’ve fallen for the religious-driven propaganda against it.

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P.D. Says:

Christ, religious nut-balls probably still believe the world is flat and four thousand years old. God, how dumb can you be.

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Brando Says:

Actually, to the evolution deniers out there, I usually like to ask: “So, how’s that flu vaccine working out for you?” The ultimate irony is watching how the anti-evolution movement has had to *evolve* over time as court cases sided against them.

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♠Bangkok-Bob♠ Says:

P.D. @ 28:

Christ, religious nut-balls probably still believe the world is flat and four thousand years old. God, how dumb can you be.

Pretty dumb … they voted for bush twice and will probably vote for McCranky

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Hulk Says:

We haven’t come very far, have we.

This clip could be from a present day courtroom.

We are #1…

McCain spoke out favorably in 2005 regarding intelligent design

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RayC Says:

ysbaddaden Says: And the moral of the movie Inherit the Wind is if you teach evolution, you’ll end up marrying Samantha, and getting Endora for a mother-in-law.

And then one day you will wake and you will have the same name, wife, mother-in-law, boss, and child but you will look different, sound different, be different….you will be a pod person.

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Weaseldog Says:

Gary @ 15:

Ahh yes, Darwins theory.

Theory I said.

Yup, the highest level in science that an idea can reach.

Like Gravity. The Theory of Gravity. Or the Theory of Electricity. Or the Theory of Light….

In science, there are no facts. There are hypothesis (untested ideas), theories (tested ideas), experiments (tests for ideas) and observations (data collected from experiments).

Perhaps we should be teaching alternate Theories of gravity, rather than those proposed by that Heretic, Isaac Newton?

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Dr. Acula Says:

Anyone else hear Shillary’s comment on Morning Jo(k)e today? “If the Democrats had the same primary rules as the Republicans, I’d be the nominee already”. There she goes again, praising the Rethugs.

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♠Bangkok-Bob♠ Says:

Weaseldog @ 35:

Gary @ 15:

Ahh yes, Darwins theory.

Theory I said.

Yup, the highest level in science that an idea can reach.

Like Gravity. The Theory of Gravity. Or the Theory of Electricity. Or the Theory of Light….

In science, there are no facts. There are hypothesis (untested ideas), theories (tested ideas), experiments (tests for ideas) and observations (data collected from experiments).

Perhaps we should be teaching alternate Theories of gravity, rather than those proposed by that Heretic, Isaac Newton?

Don’t forget the Atomic Theory that made the bomb possible.

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Weaseldog Says:

♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 37:

Weaseldog @ 35:

Gary @ 15:

Ahh yes, Darwins theory.

Theory I said.

Yup, the highest level in science that an idea can reach.

Like Gravity. The Theory of Gravity. Or the Theory of Electricity. Or the Theory of Light….

In science, there are no facts. There are hypothesis (untested ideas), theories (tested ideas), experiments (tests for ideas) and observations (data collected from experiments).

Perhaps we should be teaching alternate Theories of gravity, rather than those proposed by that Heretic, Isaac Newton?

Don’t forget the Atomic Theory that made the bomb possible.

That makes no sense. It’s not even in the Holy Bible…

♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 25:

pissed off patricia @ 23:

Best bumper sticker I have ever seen said, “Evolution is a theory just like gravity is a theory”

Thats pretty good, where can I get one?

Right here

Dr. Acula @ 36:

Anyone else hear Shillary’s comment on Morning Jo(k)e today? “If the Democrats had the same primary rules as the Republicans, I’d be the nominee already”. There she goes again, praising the Rethugs.

I heard it and I also heard Joe ask Obama why he loved his country. Joe is becoming one of the biggest pains in the ass on tv.

Hop over and take a look at the most recent post at Kos. Seems about three years back Hillary made a similar statement to the one McCain made about staying in Iraq for many many years.

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♠Bangkok-Bob♠ Says:

pissed off patricia @ 39:

♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 25:

pissed off patricia @ 23:

Best bumper sticker I have ever seen said, “Evolution is a theory just like gravity is a theory”

Thats pretty good, where can I get one?

Right here

Thanks POP, just ordered one.

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P.D. Says:

Remember when Mccain was asked during the debate if he believed in evolution? And his answer Was to the effect,”Yes, I believe in evolution but then I look at the Gand Canyon and knop it is god.” Or something like that. And I thought,”Are you nuts!” It wasn’t even an answer!

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RobertC Says:

“Perhaps we should be teaching alternate Theories of gravity…”

Hey…I’d say less is known about the fundamentals of gravity than evolution. We’ve got the unit of heredity (DNA) identified, sequenced from a bunch of organisms, and experimentally manipulated.

What’s the fundamental unit of gravity? The graviton? Find me one of those. And there’s real conflict in gravitational theory: the standard model and general relativity conflict, and the theory uniting them is purely hypothetical (like Star Trek hypothetical).

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Mike Says:

I have been frustrated with the lack of a spine in the large portion of the superdelegates who have yet to commit to either Clinton or Obama, but something else just dawned on me as well. Shouldn’t websites like Crooks and Liars be making up their minds as well and formally endorsing one candidate or the other?

I know some blogs attempt to stay objective, but I believe it is that sort of forced objectivity that has been making this entire process a much more drawn out and time consuming ordeal.

Any thoughts on that?

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hazmaq Says:

BEST QUOTE OF THE DAY, by Bob Shrum!

“Bill Clinton is an unguided missile”

Oh there’s a great visual for your White House wet dreams: A menopausal woman with her hands on an unguided missile!

Thanks Bob!

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Rusty Shackleford Says:

pissed off patricia @ 33:

McCain spoke out favorably in 2005 regarding intelligent design

From that same 2005 article:

“A recent poll by the Gallup Organization found that McCain’s favorable ratings have consistently hovered above 50 percent since 2002, two years after he ran for the Republican nomination for president against George W. Bush.”

And now it’s at 32 percent and falling.

Seems the more people find out about McCain, the less they like him.

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miss_kitty Says:

hazmaq @ 45:

BEST QUOTE OF THE DAY, by Bob Shrum!

“Bill Clinton is an unguided missile”

Oh there’s a great visual for your White House wet dreams: A menopausal woman with her hands on an unguided missile!

Thanks Bob!

A visual I did NOT need.

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xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says:

44 Mike Says: I have been frustrated with the lack of a spine in the large portion of the superdelegates who have yet to commit to either Clinton or Obama, but something else just dawned on me as well. Shouldn’t websites like Crooks and Liars be making up their minds as well and formally endorsing one candidate or the other?

I know some blogs attempt to stay objective, but I believe it is that sort of forced objectivity that has been making this entire process a much more drawn out and time consuming ordeal.

Any thoughts on that?

============================

As i understand it the staff of C&L do not agree on who the nominee should be so i think their decision not to endorse either one makes total sense.

[That is not necessarily the reason. We just want to be 100% behind whoever is running against the Republican nominee. It’s hard to do that if you’ve been trash talking them for months. It’s John’s Blog, it’s John’s decision, and we all agree with that decision and support him.
We also have commenters we highly regard on both sides. We don’t want to alienate half of our posters.
It will make life simpler for the site team as well, when the nominee is chosen-Sitemonitor]

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I like Pie Says:

25% of all voters in Indiana have been removed from the voting lists. I did a little research and I found out that the counties with the highest percentages have either largely black populations or large percentages of voters between the ages of 18 and 39. Gary Indiana wich has a large black population has had over 55% of its voters taken off the list. Looks like someone has been busy cooking the books in Indiana to help out Hillary.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

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xoites (Bitter before Country was Cool) defends Constitution Says:

I should move to Cuba where when i vote for Fidel Castro i know my vote will be counted.