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Clinton, HillaryThe Young Turks will be doing their own primary coverage with guests Jeff Pruitt from Fort Wayne Politics, Eleanor Clift from Newsweek, Ari Berman from The Nation, Faiz Shakir from Center for American Progress and Representative Mel Watts (NC)
UPDATE: NBC has declared Obama the projected winner of North Carolina; Indiana “too early to call”
UPDATE #2: Indiana is now “too close to call” with key precincts projected for Obama yet to fully report; at this time, Clinton has 51%; Obama 49%. Perhaps as a signal of how close the count has become, MSNBC is reporting that Clinton has canceled all scheduled appearances for tomorrow.
UPDATE #3: MSNBC is now calling Indiana for Clinton. However, final counts from some precincts will not be in until tomorrow morning.
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The link text should be “North Carolina” not “North Carloina”. ;-)
Like voting matters anymore.
Clinton isn’t the winner
This just in:
The Clinton Camp says only the first 5% reporting in really count
Why is McCain listed?
The worst part and the most destructive part of this process is that it is letting McCain off the hook. With no pressure on him at all, he is becoming overly tired and having many “senior moments”, lying, flipping, breaking down, etc. McCain can’t survive a 4 month campaign, but he probably could survive this boondoggle of a two month campaign.
BennyP @ 2:
LOL, you already figured it out too? MSNBC is already spinning North Carolina as “400,000 people voted 20 days early before Reverend Wright so their votes are probably for Obama but they shouldn’t count because a vote for Obama is a vote for Reverend Wright.” Even if the votes do count, North Carolina has a lot of Black people and states with caucuses, smaller than Texas, or have a lot of Black people don’t count.
So the beat goes on…….
pete @ 5:
Yeah. Who else can win or cares?
Putting the parties side by side is misleading. repugs don’t have the numbers.
So will Clinton finally quit tonight?
Hillary changed the goal post once again today concerning the number of delegates needed to win the nomination. In my mind that goes beyond testicular fortitude, and I’m not sure there’s even a word for it.
doc barb @ 4:
Damn it was a good joke, but you messed it up.
my favorite thing about the results so far is that obama can only go up…
tHeIKnowAHusseinGaMeOfLiFe Says:
Damn it was a good joke, but you messed it up.
I’m not surprised - but how?
This just in…just the first 8 percent?
For God’s sake man, fix that spelling error before I smash my computer.
Rico @ 10:
Ha, wait until the convention when she argues that according to the original Bill of Rights, Black people were only considered to be 3/5ths of a person so they can only make 3/5ths of a vote. So every Black vote, Black pledged delegate, and Black Superdelegate will count as 3/5ths to give her the lead.
Now that the Diebold machines have tallied their results we can start adding up the real votes.
pete @ 5:
In case Hillary loses. He’s a perfect back-up.
So far the hard drinking , preacher-hatin’ , gun-totin’ good ‘ol girl from Scranton via Yale leads Indiana 60 to 40 . Enjoy your free partial tank of gas this summer, Hoosiers .
One half the voters in Indiana considered Rev. Wright as “significant” in their decision. Congrats MSM. Mission Accomplished!
My stomach hurts…
Do I just not understand, or is Obama leading in delegates 5 to 4 while getting whooped popular vote wise? Can’t remember which one counts more this week though. Gotta go ask Hill.
mlorenz @ 1:
Freudian maybe !
My bet is Clinton will be the Candidate.
Will be interesting to see what effect that Clinton ’sniper rifle’ mailer attack on Obama has.
Can she sink that low (below the gutter and down into the drains) and still win ?
ferrofluid @ 24:
Sadly, yes, she could sink lower and probably will
Predictions:
Sen. Clinton will win more delegates in Indiana.
Sen. Obama will win more delegates in North Carolina.
The media will report that Clinton “won Indiana” and that Obama “won North Carolina.”
Clinton will vow to stay in the race at her victory party.
Obama will welcome Clinton’s continued challenge at his.
All the talking heads who said that this round would settle the election will now say that the next round will settle the election.
The next round will not settle the election.
Karen @ 26:
then the ‘liberal’ MSM goes back to promoting Wright 24/7 and why Obama is BFF with him, and implied scary black radical stuff.
LOL - Obama has already won North Carolina, but it has already been dismissed as “Too Black”.
By who, just wondering? Was that from a specific commentator?
j @ 9:
If she doesn’t she in it for herself and for her husband’s ego.
I wonder if bill will sell monica a night in lincoln’s bedroom?
YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NC is called for Obama. Now it is impossible for Clinton to take the lead on pledged delegates. Her only chance to win at this point is to change the rules to give her the delegates from Florida and Michigan (where Obama wasn’t even on the ballot), or have the superdelegates overturn the will of the people and give it to her.
Either one of those two options will fracture the Democratic party for a generation by alienating African Americans and young voters who have come out in force to support Obama. It’s time she does what is best for the party and withdraw. If she keeps this up the people from New York, like me, will get back at her in the 2012 Senate election.
cv @ 29:
If your comment was about my comment….
Well I’m watching MSNBC and the narrative being discussed between Keith, Chris, Tim and Tom is 92% of Blacks supported Obama so that is how he won. And if that’s the case, how will they respond if Hillary is the nominee. Overall, I find it to be VERY dismissive and everyone is still talking up the “rural voters” in Indiana even though North Carolina counts as a BIG STATE.
Only Tim Russert is using common sense by saying Hillary is running out of real estate and she needed to win both to make any convincing argument. And his number with White voters is up in NC.
Why are all these ridiculous pundits saying they asked the voters in Indiana about Rev Wright? Did they also ask about Bosnia lies or mention that over 200 economics experts saying Hillary is wrong about the “holiday” and that she is just pandering (lying)?
Wow, NC closed after Indiana and they have already predicted Obama the winner.
Mister Anderson @ 28:
You noticed that too? Who would have ever thought that college educated, 6-figure income, white males like me who support Obama don’t figure into the equation?
bushflipflops @ 32:
If I understand the rules correctly (which I might not), it would not be against the rules to seat half of the delegates from each state that violates the calendar. I haven’t done any math relating to what that would mean for Clinton’s delegate count.
I was living in New York when she first ran for Senate. I was quite excited to support her. I no longer do. Sad.
not sure how this works, how do they determine he won when 0% is reporting, yet %20 of indiana is reporting and we don’t know who won that one?
gObama!
Karen @ 26 Yep, that’s exactly what’s going to happen.
They need to change to score board and remove the NC check from Hillary and put it next to Barack!
More than that, the 0% reporting is in favor of Clinton.
Mister Anderson @ 33:
If the “big state” argument carries any weight at all (which it doesn’t), Obama’s potential to carry North Carolina in the general election by turning out the African American vote more than ever before would mark a significant victory for the Democrats.
I think we have a better chance at taking Virginia, where we should campaign like hell in the general. But if we managed to take North Carolina, it would give us an even better edge in the electoral college.
yes please fix the major typo, it hurts looking at that.
I can’t and don’t speak for the entire Black community, like no individual Black person does regardless of how loud they are (Sharpton) or what the MSM may portray, but the “water cooler” discussion I’m hearing is that if Hillary steals the nomination…….then there’s going to be a grassroots movement for Blacks to still turn out and vote in record numbers, but write-in Barack’s name.
so - you are listing clinton as winning NC?
What’s up with green check next to HRC in NC box? Not a funny prank there CNL!¡
Why do I get a sinking feeling about this, I keep seeing Hillary coming out on top, don’t ask me why. But any other candidate would have pulled out by now, but she is determined to run until the end. Does she have something up her sleeve?
Mister Anderson @ 33:
Sorry, yes it was, and I’m totally with you. Though it’s a crazy day indeed if Tim Russert is using common sense.
Buh bye, Hillary…..time to take a seat
Karen @ 41:
I think North Carolina and Virginia are in play as well. Pennsylvania will stay with the Democrats once the media brings up Hagee and his comments about Catholics.
Geoff @ 45:
It’s not the check mark that’s wrong. It’s the name. NBC already called it. It’ll be fixed.
wtf is going on the NC stuff?
joe
HELLO…. there is a check mark by Clinton’s name and intoxination has the results for Obama (58%) and Clinton (32%) mixed up
Dr. Biitter Hussein (Mission Accomplished) Matt @ 48:
Amen