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Howie Klein on Monday, May 12th, 2008 at 8:00 PM - PDT
“Mirror in the Bathroom” was the first single from the Beat’s 1980 debut album, I Just Can’t Stop It. The 2 Tone ska band were called The English Beat in the U.S., because there already was a band playing at the time known as The Beat here. With all this talk about GOP reassment and looking in the mirror I decided to forgo “Stand Down Margaret” tonight and go with “Mirror” instead. As a dj I embraced the influence from Jamaica on alternative music in the late 70s and early 80s. Anyone recall any other trends from overseas that influenced pop music in the U.S. and U.K.?
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Can’t forget Grosse Pointe Blank fight scene with this in the background.
I have a couple:
Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon imported a bunch of African rhythms for their albums.
I have an even better question though…listening to my iPod and its abundance of 80’s music. What was up with the fuckin’ saxophone in every goddamned song? Seriously…I was listening to a Tears for Fears song I hadn’t heard in a while, and there it was, the fuckin’ saxophone. Want to watch an old cop flick? How about Lethal Saxophone? Who can it be now? It’s the fuckin’ saxophone. One step beyond the fuckin’ saxophone.
A follow up question: When did having the saxophone stop being cool? You don’t hear it much anymore. But we was gettin’ us a heapin’ spoonful of that shit in the 80’s for damned sure:
Men at work
Oingo Boingo
The English Beat
Madness
Kenny G.
even The Damned (Phantasmagoria)
List ‘em all, and this comment thread will never stop.
Actually, if you like a smattering of new wave, mixed in with a dollop of trad jazz, combined with a whole lot of acid jazz I recommend everyone here check out The Acid Jazz Channel. It’s based on software out of Hungary that allows you to create your own channel, or in this case a music television channel that actually concentrates on music.
Try it out here:
http://www.threeriversonline.c.....icshow.htm
and on top here:
www.threeriversonline.com
There’s also a lot of progressive politics and Obama ads thrown in. Be the medium I say.
Philip Shropshire
www.threeriversonline.com
you mean like Indian music? lol
It isn’t quite Muswell Hillbilly by The Kinks, but The Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band plumb the same depths in Look Out, There’s a Monster Coming.
I was thinking sitar music back in the 60’s. Not too sure about that one. I know both Sting and Peter Gabriel have used Arabic rhythms and melodies in their music.
I love “Mirror in the Bathroom”. Takes me back to my teens. Man, I feel really old now.
I liked this one better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApEV0cFW3jE
Love the English Beat! Here’s a good one:
Too Nice to Talk to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PviCjJKtvns
I think one of the newest “overseas” influences in popular music is Reggaeton. I guess that’s been in the U.S. for about 3-4 years now.
Good choice, I loved all that 2 Tone ska,… especially with the mean streak of racism that was at large in the UK at the time,…
Makes me hate XM’s punk channel, they’re always playing the ten all white bands that killed ska, drives me insane,…
I also hate that it took XM 5 years to start a reggae channel,… idiots. If it was up to me, I’d have separate channels for bluebeat, rocksteady, three waves of ska, dub, & dancehall,…
British bands like the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, and the Faces were rocking out to blues rhythms as rock n roll in the US was dying out fast from scandals, death, and Elvis getting drafted. It seems like there’s been a new British Invasion every half decade or so going back to the Beatles appearing on Sullivan. I like to say that the US invented rock n roll, but the Brits keep doing it better.
Howie,
Love your choices of both music and comment, but I wish you would be a Mac user and put these together on Iphoto so you could at least get the “Ken Burns” effect- the constant zooming on the image choices kinda ruins it for me…
Thanks,
jack
I saw the English Beat a few months ago and they were tremendous. The band was tight, the music great and Dave Wakeling, endearing and eccentric. They played for well over two hours–a great show.
Charles @ 10:
Yeah, but we continue to export folkies, and singer/songwriters over there.
It’s been a good trade back and forth since the black US blues vets hit the UK, and the UK then sent us back the white kids who FLIPPED on it, and stood it well.
In the acoustic vein, there’s LOTS of US artists who do better in Europe than here in the USA. Mostly, cuz of the radio monopoly’s.
I hear a LOT of African influence on many shows from www.KVMR.org in their programming.
Nigeria. Sudanese. All KINDS of stuff, from acoustic to electric.
Not my cup of tea usually, but, it’s been an influence.
In response to the thread question? I don’t really know, not with the airwaves WE have. And my tastes don’t run that way for the most part.
But my past tells me one I DO know of!!! *G*
Hugh Masakela And The Union Of South Africa!!! (spelllin, I know)
And then, the previe stated Paul Simon usage of African stuff. All the aussie influences in the 80’s.
CANADA!!!! *G*
I gotta believe, not only did I clip ALL of you, but I gotta believe Canada since the 60’s has been one of the MOST influential countries on the music of our lives.
THAT list could take this thread weeks into the beyond.
Rock, folkie, pop, New Brighton, Nova Scotian, HUGE artists and small artists.
Specially in the acoustic type genre. They’re still coming down, and influencing all our artists. I got to fests and SEE these artists, and bands.
An Incredible Influence! International Influence! *G*
English Beat?
Gimme ‘Sooner Or Later’ and ‘I Confess’ . . . LOVED them two.
Pete Wingfield - 18 with a bullet
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xqc.....re=related
Paul Simon & LadySmith Black Mambazo 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XBMAXQ28V-w
Paul Simon & LadySmith Black Mambazo 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O6H.....re=related
Bob Marley - No Woman No Cry (version rare)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gju.....re=related
Looove this song.
Best overseas trend affecting US + UK music = Scandanavian metal bands making American ones get evil again.
Men at work: Land down under!!!! (One of their best songs!!)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DNT7uZf7lew
The Kangaroo Song
http://youtube.com/watch?v=aPu-C5vvzU4
My first concert was the English Beat. 1983. Red Rocks with Bow Bow Wow and R.E.M OPENING! I remember some guy thriqing a bger can at Stiper and saying “go back to Georgia!”
But the Beat were a fantastic band and “Mirror in the Bathroom” is a nice choice, always.
I will listen to Wakeling wherever, an excellent interviewee and quite progressive with a huge environmentalist streak.
THE BEE GEES - “Words”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dn9cHegvcFI
Bee Gees Nights on Broadway 1975
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tYm.....re=related
Bee Gees - I Started A Joke
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n2HOiMeDOrs
My all time favorite band, but in answer to your question, the Talking Heads among others mentioned above were instrumental in using African rhythms in their music. Also check out David Byrnes’ Rei Momo and Jean-Luc Ponty’s Tchokola albums.
ON THE UNLIKELY ORIGINS OF THE UK HIP HOP MOVEMENT
malcolm mclaren - buffalo girls
released by Malcolm McLaren on his 1983 album Duck Rock.
EB, Boingo, Peter Gabriel, Talking Heads.
Clove cigarettes, coke, living out in Newport Beach.
Ahh, the good ol’ days, never to return…
I was the only one in “my circle” who owned the English Beat, and I loved them. Some other good albeit rather obscure 80’s groups/CD’s (albums) were Latin Quarter: Modern Times, Simple Minds: New Gold Dream, and The Suburbs: Credit in Heaven.
Loved the 80’s!
Mirror is good, but I always preferred Stand Down Margaret and will still pull out my vinyl and spin it on the show I do on Community Radio. Click, Click was great too.
Ectopian–I love “Mirror in the Bathroom”. Takes me back to my teens. Man, I feel really old now.
rojomojo–Maybe my mid-thirties. Bless the old KTCL before Clear Channel bought them and homogenized them. They did a new album every night without commercial interruption for tapers then.
Influences. How about rhumba influences in many of New Orleans music immortalized by Professor Longhair? or the country/blues of zydeco? the influence of Eastern European by Slavic Soul Party or early Devotchka? The use of a latin rhythm section by soul bands in the early 70s after Santana hit the popular music charts. The melding by DJs in the Asian Underground, or by DJ Swami, Rishi Rish, Natasha Atlas, et al. Or the using of tables by Ozomatli and Ojos de Brujo. Or, the biggest one in my book, the assimilation of blues and R&B with country creating rockabilly (Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis), popularizing and creating rock and roll. I give away my age with this but “Goodness, Gracious Great Balls of Fire” was the first 45 (yes, a 45) I ever bought.
For all who don’t remember, Frank Sinatra, Mel Torme, The Beatles, The Ballad of the Green Beret, Pat Boone, Hendrix, the Doors, the Four Freshman, Dylan, Blue Cheer, the Stones, the MC5, Motown and Stax/Volt and JB all used to share the same playlist.
rojo
Ahh, The Beat. or English Beat. Just not the Paul Collins Beat. There’s so many to choose from as fave’s. Give me a minute.
fela!
g
http://youtube.com/watch?v=doyqWt9Ed1k
The English Beat, Tears of a Clown.
The English Beat are one of the all-time greats. Thanks, John.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=04i.....re=related
General Public, Tenderness.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NCq.....re=related
General Public- General Public.
Last time I checked there were still only 12 notes. Pretty much everybody uses all of them. Music (and food) is proof that we truly live in a global village. Everything influences everything.
Hug The Moon @ 35:
Only 12 notes? Don’t forget the quarter tone scale.
This was my favorite song when I was a freshman in college. My friends from the Alabama School of Fine Arts were all over this movement back then. B’ham was hopping in the late 70’s and early 80’s.
Rusty Shackleford @ 36:
Thanks Rusty. Silly me.
saw phish play this once, now i know where they got it from….ty
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y-2VLV_-SS0
Hey Lafin, this ones for you bud.
In late 1989 I was at party in the Adams Morgan section of DC and who was at the party but Dave Wakling! I walked right up to him, introduced myself and told him how much I loved seeing him in 1985 in General Public. Dave was living in DC for a few months working for Greenpeace. What a mind blowing experience meeting him. Then in 1993 or 1994 at a concert I was working at an Aveda booth and we gave Ranking Roger loads of Aveda products because we had heard he loved Aveda. Never in my mind when I saw General Public in ‘85 did I ever think I would meet them or still be listening to their music 20+ years later. I think the English Beat is a bit more timeless than General Public though.
BEAT GIRL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!