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debt by tengrain Tengrain Presents: The Miracle of Chimpy’s Economy at Mock, Paper Scissors.

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Don Davis Says:

Epidemic Continues: Iraq Vet with PTSD Kills Self, Brother
Posted May 17, 2008 | 11:23 AM (EST)

The epidemic of suicides among veterans of the Iraq war with PTSD has become so common that I sat down to write about two news ones today and end up writing about an even more recent, and shocking, one. It involves a decorated vet who wrote about his PTSD for the Marine Corps Gazette– and this week killed himself and his brother after a long police chase in Arizona.

Police have discovered no motive for the killings, nor why the brothers earlier in the week may have planned to commit suicide by driving into the Grand Canyon — Thelma and Louise style.

Staff Sgt. Travis Twiggs, 36, who enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1993 and held the combat action ribbon — and met President Bush a few weeks ago — wrote a lengthy article in the January issue of the Marine Corps Gazette detailing his efforts to deal with post-traumatic stress disorder. He loved his country so much he named a daughter America, The Arizona Republic reports today.

His brother was Willard J. Twiggs, age 38.

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Mike Says:

gief fiat currency LOL

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NoGWBpolicyleftinplace Says:

Chimpy’s economics: serf and nobility. About the only thing Bush and the GOP have succeeded at; destroying the American dream.

Prominent neoconservative site goes under.»

Eleven years ago, the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC) set out its statement of principles advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, putting the country on the road to a preventative invasion of Iraq. Signatories included future Iraq war architects Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elliott Abrams, as well as neoconservatives like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. From PNAC’s statement of foreign policy goals:

The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire.

But just as the neocons are attempting to run from responsibility for the Iraq war, it appears PNAC may be abandoning its own website. Here’s the message that greets visitors to PNAC’s site:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

you are going to love it.

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99Luf Balloons Says:

I guess the RNC doesn’t have any money left after they all stole what the poor evil bastard 28% ers gave em for McFlippityflop. It is SOOOO FU(KING GREAT TO SEE THE GOP DIE RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES. And we can’t even say “Oh the humanity” cause they had no humanity. They are empty power driven scumbags who need to be hug, one and all. I am done talking to these assholes, hang they high, and hang them fast, there are lots to go through.

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L.A. Confidential Says:

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 5:

Prominent neoconservative site goes under.»

Eleven years ago, the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC) set out its statement of principles advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, putting the country on the road to a preventative invasion of Iraq. Signatories included future Iraq war architects Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elliott Abrams, as well as neoconservatives like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. From PNAC’s statement of foreign policy goals:

The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire.

But just as the neocons are attempting to run from responsibility for the Iraq war, it appears PNAC may be abandoning its own website. Here’s the message that greets visitors to PNAC’s site:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

you are going to love it.

Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible.

Classic

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Ron Says:

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 5:

Prominent neoconservative site goes under.»

Eleven years ago, the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC) set out its statement of principles advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, putting the country on the road to a preventative invasion of Iraq. Signatories included future Iraq war architects Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elliott Abrams, as well as neoconservatives like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. From PNAC’s statement of foreign policy goals:

The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire.

But just as the neocons are attempting to run from responsibility for the Iraq war, it appears PNAC may be abandoning its own website. Here’s the message that greets visitors to PNAC’s site:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

you are going to love it.

Whazzup, couldn’t they pay the bill? More than likeky they can see the war crimes warrents written on the wall.

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Zenrage Says:

I am not so worried about whether or not the Republican party falls, but what exactly will follow it.

I fear people may actually consider taking Libertarianism seriously.

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L.A. Confidential Says:

Like Bill Moyers says, Democracy in America Is a Series of Narrow Escapes, and We May Be Running Out of Luck.

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POdVet Says:

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POdVet Says:
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ferrofluid Says:

McCain just did a sketch on SNL, self parody no less.

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Joshdavis Says:

OMG - McCain was just on SNL - it was awful. I nearly fell asleep. What the hell were they thinking?

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Ron Says:

L.A. Confidential @ 10:

Like Bill Moyers says, Democracy in America Is a Series of Narrow Escapes, and We May Be Running Out of Luck.

LA, hang in there. It will take a long time to fix it, but it looks more and more like we may be on the right path.

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ferrofluid Says:

Joshdavis @ 14:

OMG - McCain was just on SNL - it was awful. I nearly fell asleep. What the hell were they thinking?

I think he has been visiting C&L, and is in on the joke.
I ‘v always had this sneaky suspicion he will endorse Obama just before november in an act of revenge against the Republicans.

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ferrofluid Says:

SNL has come out of the closet and openly supports the Republicans now.

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mystic Says:

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 5:

Prominent neoconservative site goes under.»

Eleven years ago, the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC) set out its statement of principles advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, putting the country on the road to a preventative invasion of Iraq. Signatories included future Iraq war architects Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elliott Abrams, as well as neoconservatives like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. From PNAC’s statement of foreign policy goals:

The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire.

But just as the neocons are attempting to run from responsibility for the Iraq war, it appears PNAC may be abandoning its own website. Here’s the message that greets visitors to PNAC’s site:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

you are going to love it.

That IS funny! These Zionists are traitors, every one of them. And now we see they are cowards also.

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Radically Moderate Says:

CoIntelPro for Democratic Party Victory @ 5:

Prominent neoconservative site goes under.»

Eleven years ago, the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC) set out its statement of principles advocating the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, putting the country on the road to a preventative invasion of Iraq. Signatories included future Iraq war architects Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, and Elliott Abrams, as well as neoconservatives like Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan. From PNAC’s statement of foreign policy goals:

The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire.

But just as the neocons are attempting to run from responsibility for the Iraq war, it appears PNAC may be abandoning its own website. Here’s the message that greets visitors to PNAC’s site:

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

you are going to love it.

That will be the legend of the neocon version of American Exceptionalism………When the bill comes due, they are nowhere to be found.
Crash & Burn neocons.

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Joshdavis Says:

ferrofluid @ 17:

SNL has come out of the closet and openly supports the Republicans now.

What the hell are you talking about? His appearance was awful.

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mystic Says:

Here’s a witty interview with Gore Vidal : He says Hillary is insane, Obama is better than JFK(who he knew) because he is better educated, and McCain is so stupid –he went to a private school, and came bottom of his class; He claims that McCains head rattles on his body when he walks!!!

http://entertainment.timesonli.....itted=true

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ferrofluid Says:

Joshdavis @ 20:

ferrofluid @ 17:

SNL has come out of the closet and openly supports the Republicans now.

What the hell are you talking about? His appearance was awful.

SNL has come out of the closet AND THEY openly supports the Republicans now.

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Ron Says:

The real shame is that the children, the grandchildren and great grandchildren will be the ones who will be paying for the shameful problems the neocons have created.

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ferrofluid Says:

ferrofluid @ 21:

Joshdavis @ 20:

ferrofluid @ 17:

SNL has come out of the closet and openly supports the Republicans now.

What the hell are you talking about? His appearance was awful.

SNL has come out of the closet AND THEY openly supports the Republicans now.

I am watching SNL, and its like a young republican non comedy half hour

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dothehop Says:

Isn’t it amazing that the goopers put themselves forward as the party of fiscal responsiblility, yet the federal deficit and personal deficit has only been reduced under Democratic presidents in reent times. The economy has to be more smoke and mirrors or else everything will come crumbling down like the house of cards it is.
(sorry for multiple cliches)

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mystic Says:

Gore Vidal says Hillary is insane, Obama is better than JFK because he is better educated and McCain is so stupid he came bottom of his class, and that when McCain walks, HIS HEAD RATTLES ON HIS BODY!!!!!!!!!!
http://entertainment.timesonli.....itted=true

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ferrofluid Says:

dothehop @ 24:

Isn’t it amazing that the goopers put themselves forward as the party of fiscal responsiblility, yet the federal deficit and personal deficit has only been reduced under Democratic presidents in reent times. The economy has to be more smoke and mirrors or else everything will come crumbling down like the house of cards it is.
(sorry for multiple cliches)

anybody just has to go look at the previous 50 years national debt figures (graph) , every time its disaster under the Respendians

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Ron Says:

Gas at close to $4.00 a gallon and the tourist season is approaching. Food prices are escalating and mortgage foreclosure are reaching the crisis stage. Are you better off now?

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ferrofluid Says:

Ron @ 26:

Gas at close to $4.00 a gallon and the tourist season is approaching. Food prices are escalating and mortgage foreclosure are reaching the crisis stage. Are you better off now?

You just know the guilty Repugs have their (stolen) wealth offshore and plane tickets at the ready.

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StirFry Says:

Ron @ 26:

Gas at close to $4.00 a gallon and the tourist season is approaching. Food prices are escalating and mortgage foreclosure are reaching the crisis stage. Are you better off now?

duuuuhh , at least we’re safe from insergints and sharia law! freedom ain’t free!! yeeeee hhawwww!

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Ron Says:

ferrofluid @ 27:

Ron @ 26:

Gas at close to $4.00 a gallon and the tourist season is approaching. Food prices are escalating and mortgage foreclosure are reaching the crisis stage. Are you better off now?

You just know the guilty Repugs have their (stolen) wealth offshore and plane tickets at the ready.

I just hope the war crimes tribunals will be as persistant as they were against the Nazis.

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calgarylady Says:

Where is Chimpy today? I hope he is not still in the Middle East. There’s a full moon coming.

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geneHUSSEIN214 Says:

I guess McClatchy Newspapers, like the rest of the corporate media, are on their way down the shitter. They used to be pretty solid in their criticism of the war (especially with old pros like Joe Galloway writing for them) but once they start running pieces like this, well, the game’s pretty much up.

http://tinyurl.com/6kxjde

You read a story like this folks, and you really start to wonder if you’ve gone completely insane. You’ve gotta admit, it takes a special kind of degenerate personality (in other words, an American) to prattle on about “the trials and tribulations” of finding a good donut recipe when your average Iraqi has no food, no job, no water, and has probably had god only knows how many loved ones slaughtered. Now, I know every newspaper has to run the occasional bullshit “human interest” story, but this is just fucking obscene.

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ferrofluid Says:

Ron @ 29:

ferrofluid @ 27:

Ron @ 26:

Gas at close to $4.00 a gallon and the tourist season is approaching. Food prices are escalating and mortgage foreclosure are reaching the crisis stage. Are you better off now?

You just know the guilty Repugs have their (stolen) wealth offshore and plane tickets at the ready.

I just hope the war crimes tribunals will be as persistant as they were against the Nazis.

I am sure they will be, only go after the low level worthless ones at least, sentence them to 30 years plus and release them after five years, as happened in Germany.
The useful Nazis found jobs with various western orgs after WW2.

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POdVet Says:

If there ever was an indictment, you can bet the Bush and Cheney families would be in Saudi Arabia before the last page of it was out of the printer let alone before a warrant was issued.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caMhgXolZ4I

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Tequila Says:

Another church shooting. Another pointless suicide and murder from PTSD.

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Ron Says:

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 31:

I guess McClatchy Newspapers, like the rest of the corporate media, are on their way down the shitter. They used to be pretty solid in their criticism of the war (especially with old pros like Joe Galloway writing for them) but once they start running pieces like this, well, the game’s pretty much up.

http://tinyurl.com/6kxjde

You read a story like this folks, and you really start to wonder if you’ve gone completely insane. You’ve gotta admit, it takes a special kind of degenerate personality (in other words, an American) to prattle on about “the trials and tribulations” of finding a good donut recipe when your average Iraqi has no food, no job, no water, and has probably had god only knows how many loved ones slaughtered. Now, I know every newspaper has to run the occasional bullshit “human interest” story, but this is just fucking obscene.

They will be opening up fracises in Falluja and Afghanistan.

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ferrofluid Says:

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 31:

I guess McClatchy Newspapers, like the rest of the corporate media, are on their way down the shitter. They used to be pretty solid in their criticism of the war (especially with old pros like Joe Galloway writing for them) but once they start running pieces like this, well, the game’s pretty much up.

http://tinyurl.com/6kxjde

You read a story like this folks, and you really start to wonder if you’ve gone completely insane. You’ve gotta admit, it takes a special kind of degenerate personality (in other words, an American) to prattle on about “the trials and tribulations” of finding a good donut recipe when your average Iraqi has no food, no job, no water, and has probably had god only knows how many loved ones slaughtered. Now, I know every newspaper has to run the occasional bullshit “human interest” story, but this is just fucking obscene.

Ron @ 35:

geneHUSSEIN214 @ 31:

I guess McClatchy Newspapers, like the rest of the corporate media, are on their way down the shitter. They used to be pretty solid in their criticism of the war (especially with old pros like Joe Galloway writing for them) but once they start running pieces like this, well, the game’s pretty much up.

http://tinyurl.com/6kxjde

You read a story like this folks, and you really start to wonder if you’ve gone completely insane. You’ve gotta admit, it takes a special kind of degenerate personality (in other words, an American) to prattle on about “the trials and tribulations” of finding a good donut recipe when your average Iraqi has no food, no job, no water, and has probably had god only knows how many loved ones slaughtered. Now, I know every newspaper has to run the occasional bullshit “human interest” story, but this is just fucking obscene.

They will be opening up fracises in Falluja and Afghanistan.

Their Iraqi staff bought fryers and mixers from stores in downtown Baghdad , off limits to the two of them and their Filipino chef, Joseph.
Joseph went to work.

Is it me or does this sound oh so very imperial and colonial.

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ferrofluid Says:

Their Iraqi staff bought fryers and mixers from stores in downtown Baghdad , off limits to the two of them and their Filipino chef, Joseph.
Joseph went to work.

Is it me or does this sound oh so very imperial and colonial.

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geneHUSSEIN214 Says:

ferrofluid @ 37:

Their Iraqi staff bought fryers and mixers from stores in downtown Baghdad , off limits to the two of them and their Filipino chef, Joseph.
Joseph went to work.

Is it me or does this sound oh so very imperial and colonial.

For me, it conjures up images of British Colonialism in Africa where, while tribes fought each other for the pathetic little patches of land left to them, their British overlords would be sitting on the verandah: “I say old chap, I do believe it is time for tea”.

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milquetoast Says:

ferrofluid @ 27:

Ron @ 26:

Gas at close to $4.00 a gallon and the tourist season is approaching. Food prices are escalating and mortgage foreclosure are reaching the crisis stage. Are you better off now?

You just know the guilty Repugs have their (stolen) wealth offshore and plane tickets at the ready.

Either that…or underground bunkers and alotta blackwater and homeland security mercs.

…although I did hear that the bush family made a large land purchase in Paraguay…

http://www.thepowerhour.com/ne.....raguay.htm

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Buster Says:

Well, I was kind of peeved at gas prices this weekend, so I set out to do some online based research to find out what’s really going on out there.

It turns out this whole PR bullshit by Bush and the media is a total crock. They would have us believe that the reason prices are SO high is because there isn’t enough supply.

Well, that was true back in the old days, i.e. before the year 2000. You see, in 2000 Bush signed a bill that essentially took the supply and demand regulation mechanism out of the picture and put the controls in the hands of speculators. It used to be that if someone wanted to trade oil stocks on the New York stock exchange they’d have to file their paperwork in the U.S. and not only would there be a paper trail, but those people would be bound by U.S. laws, taxes etc.. After 2000 the paper trail was gone. Traders could then buy and sell oil stocks electronically anywhere and anytime in the world.

It turns out that if this “loophole” is closed, then price control is taken away from speculators and put back in the hands of OPEC and the supply/demand paradigm.
That alone can cut the prices of crude oil by 60%.

Now, add to that the tanking dollar and the credit crunch, the mortgage crisis and the war in Iraq and we’ve got a good 70% or so of price hikes that could have been avoided.

Again, current gas prices have nothing to do with Peak Oil Production. I’m surprised that Obama keeps repeating the meme that we need to look for alternative fuel sources, when all we need to do is overturn a few Bush-era laws, withdraw from Iraq and start encouraging foreign investment in the U.S. so the economy can bounce back.

If the government follows all these steps we could start seeing gas prices bellow the $2/gal mark. Seriously.

P.S.: Don’t look for McSham or Hillary to do anything about this. They’re in the pockets of big oil, Exxon……etc.

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Ron Says:

milquetoast @ 39:

ferrofluid @ 27:

Ron @ 26:

Gas at close to $4.00 a gallon and the tourist season is approaching. Food prices are escalating and mortgage foreclosure are reaching the crisis stage. Are you better off now?

You just know the guilty Repugs have their (stolen) wealth offshore and plane tickets at the ready.

Either that…or underground bunkers and alotta blackwater and homeland security mercs.

…although I did hear that the bush family made a large land purchase in Paraguay…

http://www.thepowerhour.com/ne.....raguay.htm

I have heard that it was daddy Bush that bought the property ajoining property owned by the new prophet, Reverand Moon.