GOP Operative Alex Castellanos: It's OK to call some women bitches
By John Amato Tuesday May 20, 2008 12:00pm
If anyone wonders why Hillary supporters are upset over the coverage on TV and in the media just check out Alex.
CASTELLANOS: "Her problem is she's Hillary Clinton. And some women, by the way, are named that [bitches] and it's accurate."
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During CNN's primary coverage last night, a segment was about Sen. Clinton discussing the media's acceptance of misogyny into their coverage. Wolf called her words "provocative" as the panel begins to debate it. Later he says it's a little more difficult to discern than racism. Jeffrey Toobin makes some valid points about a NY Times article which referred to her as a "white bitch," (hello Wolf) saying that you can't say something like that about an African American. Not so for Republican Alex Castellanos, who not only disagrees, but thinks she is a "bitch" and says so with smile in his heart. Why does he have a seat with "the best political team" in America? Because he makes disgusting Republican attack ads. Being a distributor of slime in American politics really pays off. I'm sorry, he should be fired on the spot by CNN. What can I call John McCain now? Is it OK to call him pr*&k on TV? Is that OK? "Hi, I'm Wolf Blitzer and John McCain is a pr*&k. We'll have that scoop and much, much more as the best political team in America continues right after the break."
And to see Borger and Brazile---sitting there trying to have a rational discussion after he says the things that he does is just as ludicrous. Borger's retort is to say that a lot of voters don't feel that way and Donna mildly says Alex has a problem with her. I mean, really. What does he have to do to offend them?
Full transcript below the fold:
TOOBIN: I think Hillary Clinton is dead right. There was a column in "The New York Times" not too long ago where it talked about some of the humor in the campaign. And the punch line was a line that was -- that Hillary Clinton was a white bitch. You couldn't say that. I mean that is acceptable about a woman. You couldn't say the equivalent thing about a man. And I -- I mean about a black person. And I think appalling, but I think she's absolutely right that there has been a level of sexism...
CASTELLANOS: If I can disagree, I think you're dead wrong. She's dead wrong. And I think she thinks her problem is she's a woman. Her problem is she's Hillary Clinton. And some women, by the way, are named that and it's accurate. So it's...
TOOBIN: Well...
CASTELLANOS: ...she can -- she is a tough -- that tough, lady tough in politics, that's been her great strength. But let's face it, she can be a very abrasive, aggressive, irritating person and a lot of voters, I think, see her that way.
Earlier this year, MSNBC featured "expert" commentary by Roger Stone, the GOP dirty trickster, who bragged in the Weekly Standard about creating a group called C.U.N.T, to oppose Clinton's candidacy....
Unfortunately, at this point I think the media is actually hurting the Obama campaign with their continued sexist coverage. He is trying to reach out to her supporters and the press is making it much harder for him by keeping this hostile, demeaning discussion --- particularly this endless call for her to drop out --- roiling in the ether. The party will work this out, but the media, as usual, is making things worse...read on
Wikipedia: Castellanos produced an ad for the Republican National Committee attempting to discredit the prescription drug plan policy offered by U.S. Democratic Party presidential nominee and then-Vice President Al Gore.[7] Alongside images of Gore, the ad showed the word "RATS" for a split second, before the complete word "bureaucrats" appeared on-screen.[7] During the ensuing uproar, Castellanos claimed that the inclusion was "purely accidental.
Near the end of the 1990 U.S. Senate race in North Carolina, Castellanos produced an advertisement for incumbent Republican Senator Jesse Helms, who was then trailing Democratic challenger and Charlotte mayor Harvey Gantt.[10] The ad depicts a middle-aged, working class married white man receiving and crumpling a job application rejection notice sent because the job had been "given to a minority."[10] The ad then references Gantt's supposed support for racial quotas and Helms's opposition.[10]
Kathleen Hall Jamieson, an expert on political communications,[11] has written on the subliminal messages of racial fear encoded into this advertisement.[10] She believes that the signals may include a screen transition showing the hand's crumpling of the image of Gantt's head and a black mark on the rejection notice in the shape of an African-American hand holding a handgun.[10]
FOIST!!!!
Men don't notice misogyny and that's not a surprise. It's inherent in a lot of things.
i can't believe we have to actually tell grown ups that you shouldn't do this.
Crappy News Network just keeps gettin crappier.
[Please don't advocate violence on this site-Sitemonitor]
[Marge, you are off topic. Deleted-Sitemonitor]
So...since Castellanos thinks it's acceptable to call some women bitches...wonder what he would think if some people called him a wetback? *disclaimer to site monitor or anyone else that might take offense, I used that term to make a point, I am not referring to Castellanos or to anyone of Hispanic descent, as such.*
My definition of a bitch is a woman who won't do what a man tells her to do.
There's really no male correlate to the term. More sexism.
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So....
I gues there's no problem with me referring to repubs as "Lying sacks of shit".
I mean...if it's ok to call women bitches....
Just sayin'.
Marge @ 6:
The only negative comments towards a candidate here are YOURS.
HE gets the job done; SHE is abrasive
HE is dynamic; SHE is aggressive
HE is tenacious; SHE is irritating
MargeAggedon @ 2:
Even a lot of women are blind to it, because it's THAT inherent.
[Off topic. Still]
We should be a-ok with "Pr*&k" because it applies to certain male personalities of all ages. including mcinsane.
And go f*ck yourself is just two guys disagreeing about national policy. no biggie.
GOP Operative Alex Castellanos: It’s OK to call some women bitches
I'm sure tina tey and [Deleted. Do not start a flame war-Sitemonitor] would agree.
JudyLou @ 8:
I have to disagree with your definition or else I'm pretty much surrounded by bitches. And I know they can't all be bitches ;)
MargeAggedon @ 2:
InHERent?
JudyLou @ 8:
Ooookaaaay...
Difference between a bitch and a slut....a slut sleeps with everyone, a bitch sleeps with everyone...but you.
I'm for Obama but I will defend Hil against the sexist stuff. It takes a "b*tch" to get things done. And guys, that doesn't mean you are "pw'd"...
" And some women, by the way, are named that [bitches] and it’s accurate. "
Don't be critical, people. This guy knows his bitches - after all, he is a son of one.
Pure class.
And @6:
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Marge, did I miss something?
[Yes, you missed the part where I deleted Marge's post, then had to delete 4 others that quoted her, like you did-Sitemonitor]
Leave it to the GOP to just not know when to stop digging a hole. However i would have to say that in this primary season, I can certainly understand why people would think of both Clinton and Geraldine Ferraro in unflattering terms. I would just be more specific and colorful in my insults than "bitch". Something along the lines of "fucking-looking-to-be-anointed-president-on-her-husband's-coattails-who-got-taken-to-the-shed-by-a-skinny-kid-from-chitown-so-to-fight-back-
she-has-injected-the-race-card-and-played-the-gender-card-who-doesn't-know-when-she-has-lost-the-fucking-race-and-has-surrounded-herself-with-
people-like-Penn-Ferraro-and-Mcauliffe-who-don't-know-wtf-they-are-talking-about-trying-to-kill-my-party-for-her-own-political-gain-dumb-ass-bitch"
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More proof that reich-wingers ARE misogynist scumbag losers.
This is just a little reminder that despite what Hillary thinks, she has more in common with Barack Obama then she thinks.
It will be quite easy for the GOP enablers to unhook the bigotry caboose from the Get Obama Express and attach it to the Destroy Hillary Express. Alllllllllllllllllll Aboard...our final destination will be Misogyny....with stops at Sexism Station, Feminaziville and Bitchtown.
23 ebone
Leave it to the GOP to just not know when to stop digging a hole.
I dig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl5YqYogYwg
ebone: Hillary is NOT dumb!
ebone @ 23.....
Awesome, lol!!!
Here's one where there not so high
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl5YqYogYwg
Bonkers Hussein @ 22:
Ah. Nevermind. Looks like the SM deleted it anyway. Marge's post won't be discussed. (At least now I know I DIDN'T miss something)
;)
I think Hillary has a right to her opinion and the way she felt some of the coverage went the route of sexist. Then of course, this clown just proves her point. It doesn't matter much: president or no, she's going to be one of the most powerful politicians in America for decades to come and idiots like Castawhatever can just chew on their fists in angst over that fact.
Dems '08!
ebone @ 23:
Okay people, that's a wrap!
Where does a man with a latino name get to call anyone a name? and I was surprised the other guests(incl. the women) did not call him on it! It was so embarrasing to watch.
abiodun @ 32:
Where does anyone with any kind of name get to call anyone a name?
Fixed it.
MargeAggedon @ 2:
And many women don't notice misandry, and that's not a surprise either.
It's a two-way street today, in 2008. Neither gender--NEITHER--has a monopoly on purity.
To deny this is just so much PC poo. In my opinion, of course.
"Bitch" is the mating call of the North American Asshole
miss_kitty @ 33:
+1
And:
Uh...SM,
I, uh, did it again @30. Sorry, you and I are sort of cross-posting. Didn't mean to be a pain.
Back OT:
I look forward to when we get past the primary and on to the task of choosing our next president and the national dialog will be...cleaned up...mature...and uh, we can...reasonable conversations will be the uh....norm...
What was I saying again?
When Clarence Boddicker called those two girls "bitches" in Robocop ("Bitches, leave!"), that was ok!
abiodun @ 32:
Um, it's a free country.
Here is a question I would like to ask all three candidates: John McCain, Barrack Obama, and Hillary Clinton. Would you ever want your daughter to run for president knowing that she will be called a bitch and and whore, especially when this will be done by many of the people who currently support your candidacy?
And to see Borger and Brazile—sitting there trying to have a rational discussion after he says the things that he does is just as ludicrous. Borger’s retort is to say that a lot of voters don’t feel that way and Donna mildly says Alex has a problem with her. I mean, really. What does he have to do to offend them?
I don't know, maybe call her a c*nt?
It does not surprise me at all - this one word is just one in a long line of slander and name calling of Hillary. CNN & MSNBC turned their networks over to the Obama campaign many months ago and the "bitch-slapping" began. Obama and his networks is also where all this race-baiting has come from. And we are told that his supporters are so much smarter than hers. More gullible - yes, smarter - no.
Whoever is the next president, we the people need to demand that the license be pulled from these 24 hr. propaganda networks and they be shut down. That alone will go a long way in saving America and making people smarter and kinder.
You often hear males being referred to as "bitches" these days. Can we call that progress?
I'm a little afraid to comment on this thread...
Okay, I keep hoping Blitzer and the rest will take a note from Tweety and slam these jokers down when they say ridiculous sh*t. Better yet not to have them on the show at all, but it seems like he and the rest are happy to read their teleprompted questions and parrot the noise.
Everyone gets touchy with topics like these, but they can and should be discussed. The problem is that sexism and racism aren't discussed enough, and that often when it is publically discussed, it's by people who say uneducated, awful things. If you discuss is rationally, there's often some over-sensitive p.c. reactionary standing by to take offense to anything anyone says.
Time for Obama to make a speech about this. Unfortunately the MSM will do their best to undercut the intent of it.
Castellanos is just warming up for what he and his cronies are going to be calling Obama.
Lollimom @ 34:
I didn't know there was a word for it! Thanks, Lollimom.
Indeed, I hate being pigeonholed as "acting like a man/guy/boy" when in disagreement with a woman. It has happened plenty of times and can be very irritating as it is as dismissive as any other kind of generalization. It certainly doesn't get us anywhere as the topic of discussion gets sublimated as I bristle at (using my new word!) the misandry directed at me and have to defend myself against it (which may have been the intent. Hah!). I'm not saying I haven't been stupid enough to do the same thing in some of my less-than-proud moments, but it does go both ways from time to time.
It's no surprise they don't jump on him with both feet for a comment like that, they're all in the tank for Obama (especially Brazile) and any negative attack on Hillary is fine by them.
If they want to discuss this topic in detail they should have the author of the article that Hillary read and is discussing in the clip.
Marie Cocco shows all the damning cases where sexism is used to slam Hillary without anyone from the party stepping up to defend her against these tactics.
Read it for yourself...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/clinton_campaign_broug...
A Hollywood star walks into a pet shop to buy a dog.
She points at one and asks, "How old is that one?"
The owner replies:"That bitch is 2 years old"
The star pales, and is visibly shaken.
The owner says: "Oh I am sorry, did the use of the word offend you?"
The starlet replies: "No, I just didn't know you could call dogs that too" :)
But no, you don't have a male version of it, as bastard or mongrel is a definition of "race" mix in dogs, and not really gender. I am still happy to sit far away from the freakshow that is US politics though, your media could so benefit from the "Be Cautious poster" (spelling) that our media have imposed on themselves, and live by.(for the most part)
Blue Lensman @ 42:
You talkin' to me, "punk"?
/you know I am kidding
Bluesage @ 41:
I totally agree with you on this. If Grampa succeeds in stealing the election, the current corporate media monopoly is safe.
But I'm quietly hoping that both Dem candidates realize that the Telecommunications Act (1996?) totally screwed the ability of Dems to get a fair voice in corporate media.
I'm hoping that once one of them is in office, the hatchet will swing hard and the monopolies will be destroyed.
ebone @ 23:
Actually it was Obama who injected the racecard
"RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina -- four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.
In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?
OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous."
And after Obama started calling women "Sweetie" repeatedly I think it is perfectly reasonable to comment on sexism.
and it is ok to call some people pricks
Marge @ 6:
Lady, you've got some real problems with reality. When Hillary and her supporters say "Obama is unelectable" it is a subliminally dog whistle statement purposely made to ignite fragile minds into thinking this primary is about race. And to say that Obama can't get ''white votes" is a race baiting lie. There are some people no matter what Obama does will not vote for him. How can he change the mind of a chronic bigot? "Hillary's do anything to win" strategy went over the top and is the main reason that she is a loser.
Well, the Republican party is Exxon's bitch.
Completely unacceptable. But of course, now it's been said and the damage is done. I'll write and I hope others are as well. It can't be allowed to go unchallenged.
At the very least I want equal time. Calling McCain a "Prick" on national TV would just about do the trick.
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Fiona9721 @ 50:
Huh. I only heard about the one instance. He said that repeatedly?
My mom used to use "sweetie" to just about anyone of us youngsters and our freinds, all the way through our teens and even 20's (maybe she still does. I'll pay attention next time I see her). I'd still recommend Obama stop referring to people outside of his circle of friends and family as "sweetie", but it could be that he didn't mean any....no wait, I already see the flaw in my thought: it would be all well and good if he was also calling men "sweetie" as well, but I think we can be pretty sure that he didn't and doesn't. Yeah, I agree with you then: he might want to look into that.
Rusty Shackleford @ 44:
You know they're dying to drop the "N" bomb....
Not mysogeny. It's perfectly understandable for people who see their candidate as being the only true hope for pulling us out of a downward spiral to have strong feelings about a supposed ally blocking our only hope for personal gain. It wouldn't sound right to call her an a-hole, but the sentiment is there. Just like the truck that swerved off the road this weekend, sending a rock up to chip the windshield of my new car. I yelled MF'er!, but that would have been inappropriate had he been female. It's Hillary's job to demonstrate that she's not trying to derail the Democratic primary process for personal reasons.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 14:
My apologies SM
Blue Lensman @ 42:
No, because it's meant as a demeaning emasculating term, like "you're not men, you're women." What's worse is that the assumption is the the B***= women.
And if I may add one more thing. The whole delusion about reclaiming words (a la Tina Fey and the B-word, and certain African Americans and the N word): it doesn't work. The words have a history and hurt and once you allow it to become acceptable, then you can be sure that it will be used to attack you. If Tina Fey hadn't had that whole rant on "B*** is the new president," Tracy Morgan wouldn't have come back and said "Black is the new president, B***. " Fey was using it in what she thought was an empowering way, but Tracy showed her how easy it is for any idiot to turn it around. The same with the N word. Every day on the subway, I see kids (black, Hispanic, and sometimes white) call each other N*, sometimes as a replacement for "dude," but sometimes as an insult. I don't think MLK and all those other civil rights leaders worked so hard, so that some wanna-be gangster suburban kid could go around hurling the N word without a trace of knowledge about its history.
Anyway, B*, Ho, N*, etc. are now widely acceptable. The first two are heard on a regular basis on prime time TV, so is it any surprise that idiots who've said these words for years to demean people now feel freer to use them publicly?
Bonkers Hussein @ 55:
Maybe he should just use "baby". A guy can use that with a man or a woman.
Problem is, it's hard to pull off "baby" without sounding anachronistic, douchey or just plain uncool. Very few can pull off the usage and sound hip. ;D
Left & Left
Many people say Obama is unelectable because that is the reality of it. America still has plenty of racism and sexism and all other kinds of ism's but his unelectability is not based on race alone. Of course some will not vote for a black man and some will not vote for a woman but I think more people are looking at the economy and the level of experience and they see that he has surrounded himself with some pretty unsavory characters to get where he is. It's going to be a problem for him. He's not proven himself on the national stage. Now I think voting McCrazy is, well, crazy but thanks to that disgusting media many see him as viable and will make that choice if Obama is the nominee. I also think that Hillary can handle anything thrown at her by the GOP.
Of course she will be fighting both McCrazy and the media and this story alone tells you what they will try to do to her. But, she's still standing and she will prevail if she is the nominee.
I think it's okay to call a woman a "bitch."
My sister can be a bitch at times, and she relishes in that fact.
I know serveral women in my life that are perfectly happy to have that kind of title.
Now, will I call them that in public, much less on national cable TV? No.
Like I wouldn't call any of my male friends "asshole" in public.
Sure you can call a woman a bitch, but there is a thing call decorum (apparently CNN lacks any shred of decency or decorum).
Bill @ 59:
It can be emasculating, but much more often it's pretty friendly. I don't think that WoW leets are trying to emasculate anyone, exactly, when they shout, "PWNED ALL U B33YOTCH3S!1!!!"
Words lose their meanings over time. Hell, I can't figure out what properties in anyone compare to those in a female dog.
There's a very delicate balance between epithets as deeply offensive insults and reclaiming these same epithets as a means of pride.
i.e., Bitch, queer, n**ger, et al.
Color me deeply ambivalent. Both positions come from places of pain.
GOP Operative Alex Castellanos: It’s OK to call some women bitches
Here's my favorite kind
http://www.newsarama.com/IDW/Simmons/Dominatrix%20poster.jpg
HRC is certainly dogged in her quixotic quest for the nomination, but that doesn't make her a bitch. Though I never have supported her for the nomination, I have always admired and respected her (but not her campaign!), and took great exception to her portrayals in the NYT (that liberal rag) early in the primary season. That alone made me very sympathetic toward her, even though I am a older elite, over-educated male. I would love to see a woman in the Presidency, but I love Obama more this go-round. I have pointed out before, and I say it again, that the Democrats this election cycle have had the most amazingly competent, attractive, and electable roster of candidates in living memory. ANY of them would make a decent-to-excellent President. And look what the GOP had to offer. Embarrassing.
What exactly was Castellano supposed to add to a conversation about the two Democratic candidates? We can only assume that he was there to throw fuel on the fire - you know, for balance.
It's like on MSNBC they always have Pat Buchanan on the panel but there he's always the most reasonable which just makes me think I'm living in Opposite World.
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SEXISM... A defining quality.
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What would that make michael whiner?
Did his mother make him come in every afternoon for violin lessons?
We had a thread on this not long ago (2 weeks?). Various comments described Senator Clinton as a "whore" and there were a number of commentors trying to claim that that word was acceptable (at least when applied to Senator Clinton). Have all those people left C&L? Or is "bitch" somehow a more offensive term than "whore" to throw at a woman?
As far as I can tell, once you use either of these terms as an insulting attack on a woman, you are lowering yourself to the same level as people hurling racial epithets at Senator Obama.
I have no problem using any word in context. The word "bitch" would not be wrong when describing someone who protectively guards her territory, keeping other females away from her mate(s). Not relevant to Hillary here.
There are a host of animal analogies that are no more or less offensive when used correctly.
Her tactics during this race has proven beyond any doubt that she is indeed a Bitch! It may not be polite to say it but it is the truth nonetheless.
Andy K Jong Il @ 60:
So "Groovy, baby" on a hot summer's eve is out then...?
Bluesage @ 67:
You find Pat Buchanan the most reasonable?? Sounds like you've created your own Opposite World.
miss_kitty @ 33:
Thanks miss kitty for editing that hateful comment. People with Latino names fight for this country, are mayors of major cities, are doctors, lawyers, senators, teachers, so that comment is really uncalled for and extremely ignorant. You may even live in a Latino named city like San Francisco, San Antonio, Los Angeles, etc. It's like calling a woman a bitch, it's wrong and two wrongs don't make a right.
Is this really more notable than Obama sealing the deal by winning Oregon?
Alex Castellanos is a piece of shit.
That's the same CNN that has Beck.
That's the same CNN that has race-baiting Begala.
That's the same CNN that has lying ass wolf "SHILL" blitzer.
That's the same CNN that has lying ass howie "concern troll" kurtz.
so where is the surprise.
What they really should say is that they wouldn't say that about
bay(atch) buchanan
mAnn colder
geral(dinosaur) ferraro
....
Proud2bHumble Hus(in)sein @ 73:
It depends on how it rolls off your tongue. Yer just gonna haveta trust yerself. Whatever you choose, stay away from, "Groovy, bitch". Unless you and yers is into roleplaying.
I took sales' courses over the years in which dialogue was given to us to use on sales appointments. Most of the courses were given by men. I would listen and think to myself that women could not say a lot of the things that we were told were good sales lines. Why? Because a woman saying those things would be looked upon as "pushy" or "ballsy" or "aggressive". And, of course, that would never do. Men would be seen as strong, authoratative, etc. saying the same things.
And that's why I knew early on that Hillary was going to have trouble. She would be considered shrill, negative or bitchy. If she showed her feminine side she would be too weak for the job. I believe its called Catch-22.
By the way, Mr. Castellano, looks like a fat macho-man loser. I hope I don't appear sexist for saying that, though.
sexism and misogyny are very real. just as are racism, ageism, and all other forms of 'isms and schisms' (credit: RNM).
but, what gets me all riled up, is the claim that one is being sexist if they don't support hillary for president. if hillary wins the dem nomination--however impossible that is--i would not vote for her. it has NOTHING to do with her gender. it has everything to do with her politics and the clinton legacy. that is not being sexist, that is being responsible.
We need some MSI up in here.
Blue Lensman
You're kidding, right? Keith Olberman, Rachael Maddow and Gene Robinson are so in the tank for Obama that no reasonable discussion can be held with any of them. Those three have completely jumped the shark to the point of being obvious. So yes, those characters make a man I have never considered reasonable sound almost reasonable. That's my opinion and I really don't care to get into a pissing match with you about it. But, thanks so much for the insult.
Bluesage @ 67:
Pat Buchanan's Racist Paranoid Freakout
Posted by Brave New Films, Brave New Films at 12:29 PM on May 15, 2008.
You know you're in trouble when Chris Matthews is the voice of reason...
I'm a woman, my take
No, woman should be calls a B*tch!
but i do not think it is sexist!
if Obama did somthing wrong, we would call him an A**hole! i do not see people saying its sexism against him.
Its more of a derogetary term towards her character
before you say B*tch is used against women, i say it's just the feminim term (ie B*st*rd for masculine) of words we use to define bad character flaws
AGAIN THIS WORD SHOULD NOT BE USED!
to make every one happy how about....
"SHE IS AN A**HOLE"
there now gender bias
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Samson- @ 80:
but the valid reasons you cited would not be why a repug calls any woman a bitch, whether she be hillary clinton or michelle obama.
It's always ok if you are a republican!
over it
big time
Bluesage @ 82:
so it's really "Opposite Day" with Sponge Bob, eh?
I expected Gloria Borgia to agree with a comment like this. She, like so many in the media, have a deep seated hate for the Clintons.
However, to see Donna Brazille sit on her fucking fat ass and listen to this shit is annoying as not only throwing a friend under the bus, but backing up and running over her several times.
Brazille has been an Obama supporter all along. No problem with that except she lies about it so she can keep her gig on CNN and get more spots. That makes her a money grubbing lowlife scumbag of a black whore......doesn't it
One thing most of us can agree on: Rachael Maddow and Pat Buchanan are at opposite ends of the "reasonableness" scale. I guess the scale runs in one direction for repugs and the other for progressives.
Not sure where that leaves Bluesage.