Conservatives tend to favor freedom and are willing to accept inequalities of outcome from a free market and liberals tend to favor equality of outcome and to sacrifice and to circumscribe freedom in order to get it.
This is the sheer and utter nonsense, the perverted paradigm, into which people like Will buy. As though the left-right spectrum really exists.
What sort of freedom is Will talking about? Because it's clearly not the notion that individuals are entitled to the pursuit of happiness. That kind of freedom is not threatened merely by government. In today's world, that kind of freedom requires a certain kind of government.
It says it right in our Declaration of Independence: Governments are formed in order to secure our equal rights. [Paraphrase]. That is the legitimate business of government. To make our equal rights secure. To ensure that each person has an equal right to the pursuit of happiness.
So much of our government is authoritarian. We've got Republican authoritarians and Democratic authoritarians. They all need to go. Until they do, we'll never even have a decent debate along about Will's false choice between libertarian paradise and progressive totalitarianism.
Oh, how I long for a party that found a good spot along a libertarian-----progressive spectrum. A civil libertarian, socially progressive, fiscally responsible party that recognized its duty was to secure an equal pursuit of happiness.
Copy of letter published as a response to George Will Opt-Ed.
I cannot understand George Will's animosity towards Polar Bears?
(Anyone recall global cooling? May 22nd). They share common
attributes of people and causes he religiously supports in his
columns. They're white, they vigourously defend themselves when
attacked, and they have never once supported a tax increase. Their
only mistake is being on the wrong side of the global warming debate.
I'm no global warming fanatic but anyone who suggests that human
beings don't have a negative impact on their surrounding has never
been in a rest stop bathroom.
Conservatives tend to favor freedom and are willing to accept inequalities of outcome from a free market and liberals tend to favor equality of outcome and to sacrifice and to circumscribe freedom in order to get it.
This is the sheer and utter nonsense, the perverted paradigm, into which people like Will buy.
It's a perverted or inverted paradigm or something.... It's bizarre! When he refers to freedom is he specifically referring to free markets only? Or in the broader sense of our rights? Because, if it's the latter, it's the GOP that favors illegal domestic spying, torture, gutting the Constitution, secret renditions, the suspension of habeas corpus, et al.
The fact that the Flames didn't win the Cup is bad enough, but the possibility that we may never again hear the Hockey Night in Canada theme music saddens me greatly.
Conservatives tend to favor freedom and are willing to accept inequalities of outcome from a free market and liberals tend to favor equality of outcome and to sacrifice and to circumscribe freedom in order to get it.
This is the sheer and utter nonsense, the perverted paradigm, into which people like Will buy.
It's a perverted or inverted paradigm or something.... It's bizarre! When he refers to freedom is he specifically referring to free markets only? Or in the broader sense of our rights? Because, if it's the latter, it's the GOP that favors illegal domestic spying, torture, gutting the Constitution, secret renditions, the suspension of habeas corpus, et al.
Exactly, Leslie. Which is why I find the libertarian/authoritarian alliance that is the modern GOP so ironic, and awful. They give us the worst of both worlds. At least the Republicans seem to be on the verge of imploding.
I still think libertarians and progressives have something to offer each other, but my saying so here elicits a certain animosity. :)
Thu, 06/05/2008 - 23:13 — Matt in Texas (not verified)
I tend to agree with you, Karen. It's probably why many who voted for Kucinich also kinda lilked Paul - even though they are worlds apart on many issues.
George Will looks the part of a serious television news anchor or commentator and that's the only reason I can imagine that he's still part of the television media because time and time again he's always dead wrong on everything he talks about.
This is the sheer and utter nonsense, the perverted paradigm, into which people like Will buy.
It's a perverted or inverted paradigm or something.... It's bizarre! When he refers to freedom is he specifically referring to free markets only? Or in the broader sense of our rights? Because, if it's the latter, it's the GOP that favors illegal domestic spying, torture, gutting the Constitution, secret renditions, the suspension of habeas corpus, et al.
Exactly, Leslie. Which is why I find the libertarian/authoritarian alliance that is the modern GOP so ironic, and awful. They give us the worst of both worlds. At least the Republicans seem to be on the verge of imploding.
I still think libertarians and progressives have something to offer each other, but my saying so here elicits a certain animosity. :)
I'm a progressive and not that familiar with left-libertarian philosophy, much more familiar with the right's version.
But getting back to George Will: He's wrong when he says that liberals favor equality of [free market] outcome. Scholars and Rogues debunks that part pretty well. But if George Will is saying that liberals favor equality of outcome by insisting on federal regulations??! As if Enron, no-bid contracts to Halliburton...these guys make me so mad!!! I can't even argue anymore, just wiped out.
George Will looks the part of a serious television news anchor or commentator and that's the only reason I can imagine that he's still part of the television media because time and time again he's always dead wrong on everything he talks about.
Will feels right at home with all of the other right wing pundits because they are all wrong, all the time. It's because they don't think for themselves. They get the talking points from other leading right wing talk show hosts and the WH.
Thu, 06/05/2008 - 23:20 — lafin gas (not verified)
If you remember the Original Hollywood Squares and its comics, this may bring a tear to your eyes. These great questions and answers are from the days when 'Hollywood Squares' game show responses were spontaneous, not scripted, as they are now. Peter Marshall was the host asking the questions, of course.
Q. Do female frogs croak?
A. Paul Lynde: If you hold their little heads under water long enough.
Q. If you're going to make a parachute jump, at least how high should you be?
A. Charley Weaver: Three days of steady drinking should do it.
Q. True or False, a pea can last as long as 5,000 years.
A. George Gobel: Boy, it sure seems that way sometimes.
Q. You've been having trouble going to sleep. Are you probably a man or a woman?
A. Don Knotts: That's what's been keeping me awake.
Q. According to Cosmopolitan, if you meet a stranger at a party and you think that he is attractive, is it okay to come out and ask him if he's married?
A. R ose Marie: No; wait until morning.
Q. Which of your five senses tends to diminish as you get older?
A. Charley Weaver: My sense of decency.
Q. In Hawaiian, does it take more than three words to say 'I Love You'?
A. Vincent Price: No, you can say it with a pineapple and a twenty.
Q. What are 'Do It,' 'I Can Help,' and 'I Can't Get Enough'?
A. George Gobel: I don't know, but it's coming from the next apartment.
Q. As you grow older, do you tend to gesture more or less with your hands while talking?
A. Rose Marie: You ask me one more growing old question Peter, and I'll give you a gesture you' ll never forget.
Q. Paul, why do Hell's Angels wear leather?
A. Paul Lynde: Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.
Q. Charley, you've just decided to grow strawberries. Are you going to get any during the first year?
A. Charley Weaver: Of course not, I'm too busy growing strawberries.
Q. In bowling, what's a perfect score?
A. Rose Marie: Ralph, the pin boy.
Q. It is considered in bad taste to discuss two subjects at nudist camps. One is politics, what is the other?
A. Paul Lynde: Tape measures.
Q. During a tornado, are you safer in the bedroom or in the closet?
A. Rose Marie: Unfortunately Peter, I'm always safe in the bedroom.
Q. Can boys join the Camp Fire Girls?
A. Marty Allen: Only after lights out.
Q. When you pat a dog on its head he will wag his tail. What will a goose do?
A. Paul Lynde: Make him bark?
Q. If you were pregnant for two years, what would you give birth to?
A. Paul Lynde: Whatever it is, it would never be afraid of the dark.
Q. According to Ann Landers, is there anything wrong with getting into the habit of kissing a lot of people?
A. Charley Weaver: It got me out of the army.
Q. It is the most abused and neglected part of your body, what is it?
A. Paul Lynde: Mine may be abused, but it certainly isn't neglected.
Q. Back in the old days, when Great Grandpa put horseradish on his head, what was he trying to do?
A. George Gobel: Get it in his mouth.
Q. Who stays pregnant for a longer period of time, your wife or your elephant?
A. Paul Lynde: Who told you about my elephant?
Q. When a couple have a baby, who is responsible for its sex?
A. Charley Weaver: I'll lend him the car, the rest is up to him.
Q. Jackie Gleason recently revealed that he firmly believes in them and has actually seen them on at least two occasions. What are they?
A. Charley Weaver: His feet.
Q. According to Ann Landers, what are two things you should never do in bed?
A. Paul Lynde: Point and laugh
Conservatives tend to favor freedom and are willing to accept inequalities of outcome from a free market and liberals tend to favor equality of outcome and to sacrifice and to circumscribe freedom in order to get it.
This is the sheer and utter nonsense, the perverted paradigm, into which people like Will buy. As though the left-right spectrum really exists.
What sort of freedom is Will talking about? Because it's clearly not the notion that individuals are entitled to the pursuit of happiness. That kind of freedom is not threatened merely by government. In today's world, that kind of freedom requires a certain kind of government.
It says it right in our Declaration of Independence: Governments are formed in order to secure our equal rights. [Paraphrase]. That is the legitimate business of government. To make our equal rights secure. To ensure that each person has an equal right to the pursuit of happiness.
So much of our government is authoritarian. We've got Republican authoritarians and Democratic authoritarians. They all need to go. Until they do, we'll never even have a decent debate along about Will's false choice between libertarian paradise and progressive totalitarianism.
Oh, how I long for a party that found a good spot along a libertarian-----progressive spectrum. A civil libertarian, socially progressive, fiscally responsible party that recognized its duty was to secure an equal pursuit of happiness.
Ok, done ranting.
great rant and on point.
assjackets like Will, millionaires that they are, tend to think of everything in terms of some ridiculous ideal because those espoused ideals don't threaten their standing. Heaven forfend EVERYBODY have access, opportunity and options!
If you remember the Original Hollywood Squares and its comics, this may bring a tear to your eyes. These great questions and answers are from the days when 'Hollywood Squares' game show responses were spontaneous, not scripted, as they are now. Peter Marshall was the host asking the questions, of course.
Q. Do female frogs croak?
A. Paul Lynde: If you hold their little heads under water long enough.
Q. If you're going to make a parachute jump, at least how high should you be?
A. Charley Weaver: Three days of steady drinking should do it.
Q. True or False, a pea can last as long as 5,000 years.
A. George Gobel: Boy, it sure seems that way sometimes.
Q. You've been having trouble going to sleep. Are you probably a man or a woman?
A. Don Knotts: That's what's been keeping me awake.
Q. According to Cosmopolitan, if you meet a stranger at a party and you think that he is attractive, is it okay to come out and ask him if he's married?
A. R ose Marie: No; wait until morning.
Q. Which of your five senses tends to diminish as you get older?
A. Charley Weaver: My sense of decency.
Q. In Hawaiian, does it take more than three words to say 'I Love You'?
A. Vincent Price: No, you can say it with a pineapple and a twenty.
Q. What are 'Do It,' 'I Can Help,' and 'I Can't Get Enough'?
A. George Gobel: I don't know, but it's coming from the next apartment.
Q. As you grow older, do you tend to gesture more or less with your hands while talking?
A. Rose Marie: You ask me one more growing old question Peter, and I'll give you a gesture you' ll never forget.
Q. Paul, why do Hell's Angels wear leather?
A. Paul Lynde: Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.
Q. Charley, you've just decided to grow strawberries. Are you going to get any during the first year?
A. Charley Weaver: Of course not, I'm too busy growing strawberries.
Q. In bowling, what's a perfect score?
A. Rose Marie: Ralph, the pin boy.
Q. It is considered in bad taste to discuss two subjects at nudist camps. One is politics, what is the other?
A. Paul Lynde: Tape measures.
Q. During a tornado, are you safer in the bedroom or in the closet?
A. Rose Marie: Unfortunately Peter, I'm always safe in the bedroom.
Q. Can boys join the Camp Fire Girls?
A. Marty Allen: Only after lights out.
Q. When you pat a dog on its head he will wag his tail. What will a goose do?
A. Paul Lynde: Make him bark?
Q. If you were pregnant for two years, what would you give birth to?
A. Paul Lynde: Whatever it is, it would never be afraid of the dark.
Q. According to Ann Landers, is there anything wrong with getting into the habit of kissing a lot of people?
A. Charley Weaver: It got me out of the army.
Q. It is the most abused and neglected part of your body, what is it?
A. Paul Lynde: Mine may be abused, but it certainly isn't neglected.
Q. Back in the old days, when Great Grandpa put horseradish on his head, what was he trying to do?
A. George Gobel: Get it in his mouth.
Q. Who stays pregnant for a longer period of time, your wife or your elephant?
A. Paul Lynde: Who told you about my elephant?
Q. When a couple have a baby, who is responsible for its sex?
A. Charley Weaver: I'll lend him the car, the rest is up to him.
Q. Jackie Gleason recently revealed that he firmly believes in them and has actually seen them on at least two occasions. What are they?
A. Charley Weaver: His feet.
Q. According to Ann Landers, what are two things you should never do in bed?
A. Paul Lynde: Point and laugh
LOL, when humor was spontaneous, it was much funnier.
It's a perverted or inverted paradigm or something.... It's bizarre! When he refers to freedom is he specifically referring to free markets only? Or in the broader sense of our rights? Because, if it's the latter, it's the GOP that favors illegal domestic spying, torture, gutting the Constitution, secret renditions, the suspension of habeas corpus, et al.
Exactly, Leslie. Which is why I find the libertarian/authoritarian alliance that is the modern GOP so ironic, and awful. They give us the worst of both worlds. At least the Republicans seem to be on the verge of imploding.
I still think libertarians and progressives have something to offer each other, but my saying so here elicits a certain animosity. :)
I'm a progressive and not that familiar with left-libertarian philosophy, much more familiar with the right's version.
But getting back to George Will: He's wrong when he says that liberals favor equality of [free market] outcome. Scholars and Rogues debunks that part pretty well. But if George Will is saying that liberals favor equality of outcome by insisting on federal regulations??! As if Enron, no-bid contracts to Halliburton...these guys make me so mad!!! I can't even argue anymore, just wiped out.
george will and many others claim to speak for the masses. that's their stock-in-trade, giving their opinions as if they actually know the people to whom they attribute these lies.
Exactly, Leslie. Which is why I find the libertarian/authoritarian alliance that is the modern GOP so ironic, and awful. They give us the worst of both worlds. At least the Republicans seem to be on the verge of imploding.
I still think libertarians and progressives have something to offer each other, but my saying so here elicits a certain animosity. :)
I'm a progressive and not that familiar with left-libertarian philosophy, much more familiar with the right's version.
But getting back to George Will: He's wrong when he says that liberals favor equality of [free market] outcome. Scholars and Rogues debunks that part pretty well. But if George Will is saying that liberals favor equality of outcome by insisting on federal regulations??! As if Enron, no-bid contracts to Halliburton...these guys make me so mad!!! I can't even argue anymore, just wiped out.
george will and many others claim to speak for the masses. that's their stock-in-trade, giving their opinions as if they actually know the people to whom they attribute these lies.
Which is true, they know these people or what they say these people think?
Plus, a David Rees Get Your War On cartoon:
Man and two women having coffee.
Man says, "The Taliban is still strong in some regions of Afghanistan, but we hardly ever hear about it."
Blonde says: "It's because Iraq became a distraction. If we hadn't invaded, we could've kept our focus on Afghanistan."
Brunette says: "Yeah right! Blame Iraq! I'm sure Americans would've become total Afghanistan experts, always demanding more news about Afghanistan. Face it: Afghanistan is boring, and there's nothing Iraq can do about it."
This is the sheer and utter nonsense, the perverted paradigm, into which people like Will buy.
It's a perverted or inverted paradigm or something.... It's bizarre! When he refers to freedom is he specifically referring to free markets only? Or in the broader sense of our rights? Because, if it's the latter, it's the GOP that favors illegal domestic spying, torture, gutting the Constitution, secret renditions, the suspension of habeas corpus, et al.
Exactly, Leslie. Which is why I find the libertarian/authoritarian alliance that is the modern GOP so ironic, and awful. They give us the worst of both worlds. At least the Republicans seem to be on the verge of imploding.
I still think libertarians and progressives have something to offer each other, but my saying so here elicits a certain animosity. :)
what animosity! I'll sic P@B on them in a flash! You are right about that alliance, but you cannot exclude the evangelicals from the mix.
corporatists duped the Dems(via the DLC) and the Repugs(via Delay, abramoff and the boosh crime family). they promised smaller gubmint, lower taxes, more privacy, ... they just FLAT OUT LIED to everyone who wanted something better. what they were rewarded with was an upward redistribution of wealth. period.
wasn't he on COLBERT the other night?
it was weird, i remember that... he looked like he was expecting colbert to pounce any minute...
he looked very uncomfortable, yet condescending acting... like he was there on a dare...
After reading The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein, I believe that the only kind of freedom that means anything at all to conservatives is the freedom to make as much money as possible while screwing the most amount of people possible. They feel that EVERYTHING should be for sale and done by the "free market" for a profit. Of course the super rich get richer and the middle and lower classes get further and further behind. Deregulation is their mantra and they demand it stridently till they get it. If you look at the history of the Friedman school of economics, you see country after country that has been raped and pillaged by these predators.
It's a perverted or inverted paradigm or something.... It's bizarre! When he refers to freedom is he specifically referring to free markets only? Or in the broader sense of our rights? Because, if it's the latter, it's the GOP that favors illegal domestic spying, torture, gutting the Constitution, secret renditions, the suspension of habeas corpus, et al.
Exactly, Leslie. Which is why I find the libertarian/authoritarian alliance that is the modern GOP so ironic, and awful. They give us the worst of both worlds. At least the Republicans seem to be on the verge of imploding.
I still think libertarians and progressives have something to offer each other, but my saying so here elicits a certain animosity. :)
what animosity! I'll sic P@B on them in a flash!
Heh, it hasn't happened tonight, but I have received some very angry response posts here by people who hate libertarians, and who tell me they'll have nothing to do with them at all.
By the way, what's P at B?
You are right about that alliance, but you cannot exclude the evangelicals from the mix.
Evangelicals? I don't think that evangelicals as a group count as a political entity. There are plenty of progressive evangelicals out there.
Of course, you're probably referring to the Religious Right, which I would include under the umbrella of authoritarianism. They're not necessarily totalitarian or fascist, but they're theocrats. And a theocrat is an authoritarian in my book.
corporatists duped the Dems(via the DLC) and the Repugs(via Delay, abramoff and the boosh crime family). they promised smaller gubmint, lower taxes, more privacy, ... they just FLAT OUT LIED to everyone who wanted something better. what they were rewarded with was an upward redistribution of wealth. period.
Heh, yes. Smaller government. As Colbert said, they've delivered. They've made government so small that it can actually fit into your bedroom, can't recognize a giant corporation from its vantage point, and Bush has been working very hard to make the government consist only of himself.
calgarylady @ 38:
Sorry CalgaryLady, I can only speak for myself, but I might be worse than all the guys tonight. So you might have to keep me in line too. LOL
Wanna bet?
P2b, they're picking on me and I feel so defenseless.
calgarylady @ 38:
Sorry CalgaryLady, I can only speak for myself, but I might be worse than all the guys tonight. So you might have to keep me in line too. LOL
Wanna bet?
P2b, they're picking on me and I feel so defenseless.
Well, you should have owned up and said there were 4 ladies on tonite to begin with, Ronda ;-}
Thu, 06/05/2008 - 23:53 — Rob Scott (not verified)
Colbert’s humor, which I appreciate, is successful because he satirizes conservative punditry, which is to say that he takes conservative opinion beyond their traditional boundary, exposing their contradictions when applied elsewhere.
What Will did was the same thing: free market applied to turtles and ferns? Fine, it’s their choice to be there says Will.
Their equations are pretty clear — it’s funny to see Colbert put in a corner by a conservative who is willing to think abstractly. The one move Colbert will never pull, unfortunately, is to tell the conservative that they’re crazy. He one-ups them, but that is it.
Stewart and Colbert would be much more threatening if they’d call out capitalism once and a while head on. That doesn’t sell commercials though. Still I find this shit entertaining.
Conservatives tend to favor freedom and are willing to accept inequalities of outcome from a free market and liberals tend to favor equality of outcome and to sacrifice and to circumscribe freedom in order to get it.
What conservatives say is ‘we will protect you against idealism. We will protect you against the liberal faith that we can make something straight from the crooked timber of humanity.’ We understand that the government’s job is to deliver the mail, defend the shores and get out of the way
Protect you from Idealism? Where have you been the last 7 years you fucking dweeb?
Karen @ 54:
yes, I meant religious right, who also control the DIEBOLD machines, and some voting processes and in the south, can include law enforcement. definitely part of the authoritarianism of which you wrote.
P@B = P2B (uppercase 2)
I'm betting you knew that.
This is the sheer and utter nonsense, the perverted paradigm, into which people like Will buy.
It's a perverted or inverted paradigm or something.... It's bizarre! When he refers to freedom is he specifically referring to free markets only? Or in the broader sense of our rights? Because, if it's the latter, it's the GOP that favors illegal domestic spying, torture, gutting the Constitution, secret renditions, the suspension of habeas corpus, et al.
Exactly, Leslie. Which is why I find the libertarian/authoritarian alliance that is the modern GOP so ironic, and awful. They give us the worst of both worlds. At least the Republicans seem to be on the verge of imploding.
I still think libertarians and progressives have something to offer each other, but my saying so here elicits a certain animosity. :)
No, your saying so here elicits a certain curiosity :)
George Will looks the part of a serious television news anchor or commentator and that's the only reason I can imagine that he's still part of the television media because time and time again he's always dead wrong on everything he talks about.
Will feels right at home with all of the other right wing pundits because they are all wrong, all the time. It's because they don't think for themselves. They get the talking points from other leading right wing talk show hosts and the WH.
Good point Ron. That's exactly right. You can always tell a republican, but you can't tell him much.
George Will looks the part of a serious television news anchor or commentator and that's the only reason I can imagine that he's still part of the television media because time and time again he's always dead wrong on everything he talks about.
Will feels right at home with all of the other right wing pundits because they are all wrong, all the time. It's because they don't think for themselves. They get the talking points from other leading right wing talk show hosts and the WH.
Good point Ron. That's exactly right. You can always tell a republican, but you can't tell him much.
Fritz @ 22:
Will feels right at home with all of the other right wing pundits because they are all wrong, all the time. It's because they don't think for themselves. They get the talking points from other leading right wing talk show hosts and the WH.
Good point Ron. That's exactly right. You can always tell a republican, but you can't tell him much.
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Bodacious McFrist!!
Well, did you ever think he would stop lying?
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Oh, it's the ole Democrats are Commie traitors spin.
Great post.
will has the costuming and demeaner of an intellectual, but no content. he's an empty suit.
BREAKING NEWS!
Drudge and FOX news are reporting that Michelle Obama was caught buying a Public Enemy record at a local Wallmart.
Why do the Obamas hate America!
Sundown on the Union ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edBoa6IYFEs
Will:
This is the sheer and utter nonsense, the perverted paradigm, into which people like Will buy. As though the left-right spectrum really exists.
What sort of freedom is Will talking about? Because it's clearly not the notion that individuals are entitled to the pursuit of happiness. That kind of freedom is not threatened merely by government. In today's world, that kind of freedom requires a certain kind of government.
It says it right in our Declaration of Independence: Governments are formed in order to secure our equal rights. [Paraphrase]. That is the legitimate business of government. To make our equal rights secure. To ensure that each person has an equal right to the pursuit of happiness.
So much of our government is authoritarian. We've got Republican authoritarians and Democratic authoritarians. They all need to go. Until they do, we'll never even have a decent debate along about Will's false choice between libertarian paradise and progressive totalitarianism.
Oh, how I long for a party that found a good spot along a libertarian-----progressive spectrum. A civil libertarian, socially progressive, fiscally responsible party that recognized its duty was to secure an equal pursuit of happiness.
Ok, done ranting.
I know someone keeps up with sports on here, so R.I.P. Dwight White. The Dow plunged another 400 points.
Copy of letter published as a response to George Will Opt-Ed.
I cannot understand George Will's animosity towards Polar Bears?
(Anyone recall global cooling? May 22nd). They share common
attributes of people and causes he religiously supports in his
columns. They're white, they vigourously defend themselves when
attacked, and they have never once supported a tax increase. Their
only mistake is being on the wrong side of the global warming debate.
I'm no global warming fanatic but anyone who suggests that human
beings don't have a negative impact on their surrounding has never
been in a rest stop bathroom.
Site Monitor: As fastfeat suggested, there is no topicality in an Open Thread. I, for one, like Don Davis' links.
^ Ah, I'm Captain Redundant, failing to read Ron's post. Repetition can't hurt, though..
Quick question that I'm been thinking about.
If Obama names Hillary as his VP AND they win...
Will she still try to run for President in 2012?
Karen @ 12:
It's a perverted or inverted paradigm or something.... It's bizarre! When he refers to freedom is he specifically referring to free markets only? Or in the broader sense of our rights? Because, if it's the latter, it's the GOP that favors illegal domestic spying, torture, gutting the Constitution, secret renditions, the suspension of habeas corpus, et al.
The fact that the Flames didn't win the Cup is bad enough, but the possibility that we may never again hear the Hockey Night in Canada theme music saddens me greatly.
For shame, CBC, for shame.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 18:
Exactly, Leslie. Which is why I find the libertarian/authoritarian alliance that is the modern GOP so ironic, and awful. They give us the worst of both worlds. At least the Republicans seem to be on the verge of imploding.
I still think libertarians and progressives have something to offer each other, but my saying so here elicits a certain animosity. :)
I tend to agree with you, Karen. It's probably why many who voted for Kucinich also kinda lilked Paul - even though they are worlds apart on many issues.
George Will looks the part of a serious television news anchor or commentator and that's the only reason I can imagine that he's still part of the television media because time and time again he's always dead wrong on everything he talks about.
3 ladies here tonight gentlemen. Let's keep it nice.
aside from their enthusiasm for terrorism, republicans and khalid sheik muhummad share a disdain for same sex marriage.
Karen @ 20:
I'm a progressive and not that familiar with left-libertarian philosophy, much more familiar with the right's version.
But getting back to George Will: He's wrong when he says that liberals favor equality of [free market] outcome. Scholars and Rogues debunks that part pretty well. But if George Will is saying that liberals favor equality of outcome by insisting on federal regulations??! As if Enron, no-bid contracts to Halliburton...these guys make me so mad!!! I can't even argue anymore, just wiped out.
Fritz @ 22:
Will feels right at home with all of the other right wing pundits because they are all wrong, all the time. It's because they don't think for themselves. They get the talking points from other leading right wing talk show hosts and the WH.
Ron @ 23:
Ahh, fuck that. You're not likely to offend my delicate sensibilities.
;)
If you remember the Original Hollywood Squares and its comics, this may bring a tear to your eyes. These great questions and answers are from the days when 'Hollywood Squares' game show responses were spontaneous, not scripted, as they are now. Peter Marshall was the host asking the questions, of course.
Q. Do female frogs croak?
A. Paul Lynde: If you hold their little heads under water long enough.
Q. If you're going to make a parachute jump, at least how high should you be?
A. Charley Weaver: Three days of steady drinking should do it.
Q. True or False, a pea can last as long as 5,000 years.
A. George Gobel: Boy, it sure seems that way sometimes.
Q. You've been having trouble going to sleep. Are you probably a man or a woman?
A. Don Knotts: That's what's been keeping me awake.
Q. According to Cosmopolitan, if you meet a stranger at a party and you think that he is attractive, is it okay to come out and ask him if he's married?
A. R ose Marie: No; wait until morning.
Q. Which of your five senses tends to diminish as you get older?
A. Charley Weaver: My sense of decency.
Q. In Hawaiian, does it take more than three words to say 'I Love You'?
A. Vincent Price: No, you can say it with a pineapple and a twenty.
Q. What are 'Do It,' 'I Can Help,' and 'I Can't Get Enough'?
A. George Gobel: I don't know, but it's coming from the next apartment.
Q. As you grow older, do you tend to gesture more or less with your hands while talking?
A. Rose Marie: You ask me one more growing old question Peter, and I'll give you a gesture you' ll never forget.
Q. Paul, why do Hell's Angels wear leather?
A. Paul Lynde: Because chiffon wrinkles too easily.
Q. Charley, you've just decided to grow strawberries. Are you going to get any during the first year?
A. Charley Weaver: Of course not, I'm too busy growing strawberries.
Q. In bowling, what's a perfect score?
A. Rose Marie: Ralph, the pin boy.
Q. It is considered in bad taste to discuss two subjects at nudist camps. One is politics, what is the other?
A. Paul Lynde: Tape measures.
Q. During a tornado, are you safer in the bedroom or in the closet?
A. Rose Marie: Unfortunately Peter, I'm always safe in the bedroom.
Q. Can boys join the Camp Fire Girls?
A. Marty Allen: Only after lights out.
Q. When you pat a dog on its head he will wag his tail. What will a goose do?
A. Paul Lynde: Make him bark?
Q. If you were pregnant for two years, what would you give birth to?
A. Paul Lynde: Whatever it is, it would never be afraid of the dark.
Q. According to Ann Landers, is there anything wrong with getting into the habit of kissing a lot of people?
A. Charley Weaver: It got me out of the army.
Q. It is the most abused and neglected part of your body, what is it?
A. Paul Lynde: Mine may be abused, but it certainly isn't neglected.
Q. Back in the old days, when Great Grandpa put horseradish on his head, what was he trying to do?
A. George Gobel: Get it in his mouth.
Q. Who stays pregnant for a longer period of time, your wife or your elephant?
A. Paul Lynde: Who told you about my elephant?
Q. When a couple have a baby, who is responsible for its sex?
A. Charley Weaver: I'll lend him the car, the rest is up to him.
Q. Jackie Gleason recently revealed that he firmly believes in them and has actually seen them on at least two occasions. What are they?
A. Charley Weaver: His feet.
Q. According to Ann Landers, what are two things you should never do in bed?
A. Paul Lynde: Point and laugh
Karen @ 27:
Open house at open thread fellas.
Karen @ 27:
Ditto. Puhleeeze! :-)
Karen @ 12:
great rant and on point.
assjackets like Will, millionaires that they are, tend to think of everything in terms of some ridiculous ideal because those espoused ideals don't threaten their standing. Heaven forfend EVERYBODY have access, opportunity and options!
*choke on laughter*
*cough*
[repeat for a full minute]
*mild cough*
*wipe tears*
*calm down*
*resume typing*
Damn! That was funny!
lafin gas @ 28:
LOL, when humor was spontaneous, it was much funnier.
thank you lafin gas.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 25:
george will and many others claim to speak for the masses. that's their stock-in-trade, giving their opinions as if they actually know the people to whom they attribute these lies.
Is Bush drunk in this video?
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 35:
Which is true, they know these people or what they say these people think?
Karen & Leslie, we need to keep these unruly guys in line ... (Ron especially) ...
As for you, lafin gas, you are at the top of your game this evening ... hehe !
That was really good LafinGas, back at you:
Secret McCain Website Edits Leaked to Press
Plus, a David Rees Get Your War On cartoon:
Man and two women having coffee.
Man says, "The Taliban is still strong in some regions of Afghanistan, but we hardly ever hear about it."
Blonde says: "It's because Iraq became a distraction. If we hadn't invaded, we could've kept our focus on Afghanistan."
Brunette says: "Yeah right! Blame Iraq! I'm sure Americans would've become total Afghanistan experts, always demanding more news about Afghanistan. Face it: Afghanistan is boring, and there's nothing Iraq can do about it."
Karen @ 36:
I would say yes. He actually said democratic congress instead of democrat congress. Slip of tongue.
Karen @ 36:
without drug testing, we can't know. drug testing is for peasents, not elected officials.
Karen @ 27:
LOL.
Ron @ 40:
Hey, I printed a retraction.
calgarylady @ 38:
Sorry CalgaryLady, I can only speak for myself, but I might be worse than all the guys tonight. So you might have to keep me in line too. LOL
Karen @ 20:
what animosity! I'll sic P@B on them in a flash! You are right about that alliance, but you cannot exclude the evangelicals from the mix.
corporatists duped the Dems(via the DLC) and the Repugs(via Delay, abramoff and the boosh crime family). they promised smaller gubmint, lower taxes, more privacy, ... they just FLAT OUT LIED to everyone who wanted something better. what they were rewarded with was an upward redistribution of wealth. period.
Don't make McCain mad!
wasn't he on COLBERT the other night?
it was weird, i remember that... he looked like he was expecting colbert to pounce any minute...
he looked very uncomfortable, yet condescending acting... like he was there on a dare...
Karen @ 36:
I think he's been drunk for the last few years.
tr @ 41:
you can get a stool sample after cheney takes his hand out of his boosh-puppet.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 44:
Wanna bet?
After reading The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein, I believe that the only kind of freedom that means anything at all to conservatives is the freedom to make as much money as possible while screwing the most amount of people possible. They feel that EVERYTHING should be for sale and done by the "free market" for a profit. Of course the super rich get richer and the middle and lower classes get further and further behind. Deregulation is their mantra and they demand it stridently till they get it. If you look at the history of the Friedman school of economics, you see country after country that has been raped and pillaged by these predators.
Proud2bHumble @ 50:
P2b, they're picking on me and I feel so defenseless.
Karen @ 36:
that's not drunk, that's meds. the labored breathing might be from a strong anti-histamine.
naw! fuck it! he's talking like he want to finish off that bottle he was working before they dragged him in front of the mike.
:<[)
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 45:
Ron @ 52:
you lucky dog! [sorry, P2B]
Ron @ 52:
Well, you should have owned up and said there were 4 ladies on tonite to begin with, Ronda ;-}
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 55:
I don't know if I can handle all three of them at once. It's a stressful situation to be in.
Colbert’s humor, which I appreciate, is successful because he satirizes conservative punditry, which is to say that he takes conservative opinion beyond their traditional boundary, exposing their contradictions when applied elsewhere.
What Will did was the same thing: free market applied to turtles and ferns? Fine, it’s their choice to be there says Will.
Their equations are pretty clear — it’s funny to see Colbert put in a corner by a conservative who is willing to think abstractly. The one move Colbert will never pull, unfortunately, is to tell the conservative that they’re crazy. He one-ups them, but that is it.
Stewart and Colbert would be much more threatening if they’d call out capitalism once and a while head on. That doesn’t sell commercials though. Still I find this shit entertaining.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 55:
I forgive you CIP...you speaking for me is a step up for everyone, my friend.
;-}
Anybody seen Peter the Great?
Conservatives tend to favor freedom and are willing to accept inequalities of outcome from a free market and liberals tend to favor equality of outcome and to sacrifice and to circumscribe freedom in order to get it.
What conservatives say is ‘we will protect you against idealism. We will protect you against the liberal faith that we can make something straight from the crooked timber of humanity.’ We understand that the government’s job is to deliver the mail, defend the shores and get out of the way
Protect you from Idealism? Where have you been the last 7 years you fucking dweeb?
Ooh, Leslie, I can be quite bad at times ... and, Ron, we're not picking on you ... :-)
Hi, 2b and CIP !
Assassin @ 15:
Ditto,
Dadmy friend?;-}
Karen @ 54:
yes, I meant religious right, who also control the DIEBOLD machines, and some voting processes and in the south, can include law enforcement. definitely part of the authoritarianism of which you wrote.
P@B = P2B (uppercase 2)
I'm betting you knew that.
calgarylady @ 61:
I know, I just wanted you ladies to talk about me. He,he.
calgarylady @ 61:
Yeah, it's more like pecking...which is funny, cuz Ron is usually the pecker here...
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.....and we love him for it :)
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Ron @ 64:
yeah! instead, you got us. BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!!!
:<[)
Proud2bHumble @ 65:
Thanks a lot pal. I don't think you're helping.
Ron @ 57:
There's four of us, so the pressure is really on!
calgarylady @ 61:
Oh-oh, you mean our designated driver may need help too?
I GOT THE NIGHT OOF, so I'm here for trouble. I'm gonna go 'til my head hits the keys.
speaking of humor, I'm gonna see if I can find Delay's yellow pearlys.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 68:
Whoa, I hope I have enough viagra.
Karen @ 20:
No, your saying so here elicits a certain curiosity :)
Ron @ 26:
Good point Ron. That's exactly right. You can always tell a republican, but you can't tell him much.
Fritz @ 73:
but they certainly don't have a problem telling you a lot of bull
it makes me feel that the bull should replace the elephant as the symbol.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 74:
Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, is he.
lafin gas @ 28:
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Thanks NO2, livin up ta the moniker as usual :)
Paraphrasing Colbert: Free market is like Christian Science, only throw out God and substitute money.
Leslie [Hussein] @ 77:
Didn't Will agree?
Wow, George Will is agnostic!? Colbert asked, and they still let you in to all the right places?
Israel Says: No Tax Funds!
Ron @ 75:
dumb as a bag of nails. dumber!
On top of it all, Will has lousy tastes & opinions on baseball.
He thinks Tony LaRussa is a genius? PUH-LEEEEEZE!
Ron @ 78:
will really doesn't get it! I honestly believe Will likes Colbert because he thinks Colbert agrees with him.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Democratic Party Victory @ 83:
LOL!