Well, well, well. I hate to say I told you so to all the bloggers that praised him, but in the blink of an eye the Villagers have turned on MoveOn. For all those that thought Chuck Todd was so cool—guess what? He’s going to stick with the Villagers every time. I’m not saying that he’s wrong all the time, but in the end, you’ll wind up with this. And the right wing doesn’t even have to engage them in the MoveOn ad because the Chuck Todd’s will never need any convincing to attack the left. They will instinctively do it to appease the right wing and demonstrate to them that “I’m not part of that crowd.” That’s why I focus on the media so much.
Geist: It might be fair, it might be effective, I just opposed dangling babies. <corrected>
Todd: I think it was a borderline shameless ad, using a baby like that. It just seemed like a sledge hammer on the message…
I’m sorry, but there was nothing wrong about MoveOn’s ad and if the Republicans had done a similar one the same Villagers would be praising it as making a cutting edge ad that makes liberals look weak. John McCain saying he’ll stay in Iraq for 100 years is OK to criticism him with. The DNC made an ad about it. Just because the RNC cried about it and McCain has flip flopped his position on it doesn’t excuse his words and actions on the Iraq war. Mika defends McCain’s refuting his horrible position. Even The Scar said it was fair game.
Mika: At this point it looks like a cheap shot. That line has almost practically been revoked by John McCain. Or at least clarified.
The Scar…that being said, if you say things like that, it’s going to come back and you’re going to hear time and time again in the campaign.
Here are a few more posts on this subject:
John McCain: Let’s Stay In Iraq For “100 Years”!
The Media’s defense of McCain’s 100-years in Iraq comment
I didn’t notice any outcry from NBC when Progress for America aired this ad - one of the largest political TV ad purchases in 2004 - exploiting American deaths on 9/11 to promote Bush’s reelection.
Do you still want Chuck Todd to be the host of Meet the Press?
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If it’s on tv, it is BS. never forget they edit everything. Try to realize it is never anything but weak entertainment value they shoot for. It isn’t real.
No, the next host of MTP should be someone who knows what real journalism is like. Someone like George Clooney.
It isn’t shameless to kill people in the name of Oil for Todd. Remember who his bosses are!
It is shameless, Chuck Todd, to send those babies when they grow up to die and get maimed in useless wars or for the glory of some fucking politician.
Quick! Someone get that baby some hot bottle water!
I think its very telling that the Scar thinks that he can recognize a great book because he has seen the movie. I think that says it all.
Never did want him!!!! Or Andrea…she’s as biased as any of them.
Never did want him!!!! Or Andrea…she’s as biased as any of them.
I vote to stop using “journalism”. It’s gone, time to move on (sorry). Let’s call them what they are, “newspeople”. And I always go to “Scar” for the definitive “cheapshot”. Aaarrrgghh.
So it’s shameless to remind people of the human and future costs of war, but not shameless to unleash those costs upon this generation and future generations? Let’s face it, if John McCain becomes President, more troops will be put in harm’s way and, yes, die.
I think this ad is over the top and it will certainly not help Obama with swing voters. Anti-war voters, like me, are going to vote for Obama anyway. Let’s be smart about this campaign and not simply right.
I have know of no election in our country, especially one where the incumbent was not running for reelection, where the choice has been clearer. If you are happy with the ways things are and are headed in this country, then by all means vote for McCain. But if you aren’t, I can’t understand how you can possible justify voting for that man.
More balanced news…ugh…..they don’t have the guts to have someone from moveon there. Might make them look like the stupid effin idiots they really are.
Chuck Todd is listed on the screen as “NBC Political News Director”.
What the hell does that mean? Is he a journalist? A reporter? An investigator?
This is bullshit… Move On’s first advertisement against the Iraq War 5 years and 4,100 dead too late.
By the time those butthole surfers at Move On make any noise let alone, a difference, in ending the Iraq War lil’ Alex will be the late big Alex with a white grave marker adorning his plot.
So sorry Mommy but, if you’re counting on Alex being protected by Move On my suggestion is that you start dressing the kid in camo and learn to love it.
What strikes me about pundits gathering around a table to discuss the hypothetical ramifications of any particular issue (and I use that term loosely, considering we have to contend with headlines like “Terrorist Fist Jab?”) is that those pundits are creating said backlash by repeating the rhetoric surrounding an event. Perhaps this sounds a little too much like a conspiracy theory, but I honestly find it entirely disingenuous to hear talking heads say something to the effect of, ‘I think this will have some serious ramifications for Democrats!’ because the subtext is, We’re trying to stir up some controversy about this topic. In short, the people talking about blowback are themselves intentionally creating blowback, or at least adding their white noise to the heap. It’s impossible to believe that every single network’s panel of blabbering pundits thinks of themselves as above the fray, able to discuss ‘what people will think’ without realizing that they’re really talking about themselves.
Ehh… the video was kind of lame.
I’ve always known Chuck Todd to be a rightwinger since I first saw him on C-Span years back. I’ve always taken his political analysis with a grain of salt.
that ad of bush just made me incontinent……..
The talking assholes on TV will always pull for McCain. Todd is no different from the other excrement filled head’s.
RE: #8
Such as when she discussed the economy during Greenspan’s term and never mentioned her marriage or when she went to Darfur with Condi and made the story about herself??
ciloisin @ 20:
the corporate mastrs back the war pig. fuckem all.
shameless is backing a genocide in the name of jesus!!!
Wasn’t subjected to that wee betrayal. It’s one of the advantages to living in the ultimate no-spin zone; my no-TV zone home. You won’t miss it… trust me! On the other hand - now having read about it, I will be forced to make a contribution to MoveOn. It gives me a warm feeling when they rattle these suits, exposing them for the corporate hypocrites that they are.
Are these people serious? And what is with the one dipship who seemed to think that kid would be of age to fight McSame’s 100 years war IN 100 YEARS?!?
And Sorry, Chuck Todd is no different from the rest of the media. You want shameless? I can’t think of anything as shameless as our main stream media. So sorry Chuck, you don’t hold any water on this subject. In fact the whole group seems to be carrying water for the Conservo-Bots.
killing innocent iraqi children that’s shameless
That’s Willie Geist not Chuck Todd who says “It might be fair. It might be effective. I just oppose dangling babies”
don’t trust any of these assholes in the media except olbermann or moyers. they are all rightwingers. maybe because of olbermanns backround in sports, the fact that in athletics your are going to be exposed to a lot of different people from a lot of different backrounds you naturally will become more progressive. with moyers, he’s just old school where people in the media were real journalists, instead of tv stars. the rest are all suckups to the right because they’ve benefited greatly from tax cuts and want more of the same.
What is the diffrence between this young woman “dangling” her baby or me dangling my 22, 23 and 24 year old sons? Parents do not want to lose children, period. Not now, not in 10 years, not in 15 or 20 years.
And I suppose Swift Boating John Kerry is justified? Puh-lease. Spare me the santimonious bullshit.
“It might be fair, it might be effective, I just opposed dangling babies.” is not a quote from Chuck Todd. it is from the other white guy who is neither the Scar nor Chuck Todd.
No, not at all a biased critique.
This ad isn’t aimed at these low-level blowhards. None of their kids will ever see the wrong side of a battle zone or shit themselves in fear of being killed or maimed. The ad is for those morons sitting on the fence trying to “decide” who the next president is. The ones who think John McSame really gives a crap about them or their kids.
David Shuster did a much smarter segment on the moveon.org ad this afternoon on msnbc at 4pm. Shuster asked tough questions of Eli Pariser and a republican from the american spectator. Imagine that? Tough questions for all guests.
Anyway, at the end of the segment, Shuster said he thought the ad was “very effective,” regardless of the debate over the content.
I agree.
I also agree that Shuster should be in the running for MTP. He’s the only journalist on MSNBC who always holds everybody’s feet to the fire. Plus, he knows politics. Isn’t that the combo MTP is looking for?
Judging from the reaction of these media whores, all I can say is…
Keep up the good work, MoveOn!
The bottom line: Is the ad effective?
MoveOn ran tests and it is a very effective ad as to the response they were seeking. So it is not backfiring. What it is doing is making people think ahead a little about the future. Do they want to sacrifice their kids to save face for some idiot in the White House? As the Fox crew sits in their comfortable little chairs, in their air conditioned buildings, collecting their fat paychecks, America’s young men and women are being killed killed in a desert far from home in a country where we are not wanted so oil men and other contractors can become even wealthier.
MoveOn’s ad is a reality check for parents all across America.
Chuck, Chuck, banana dana bo, *uck, Chuck!
It matters not whom I want for moderator of Meat the Press (misspelled on purpose). I did not join in on the hagiographies and eulogizing commentary last week when the job opening became available. A tool has broken and another tool will fill the slot and drive the Golden Screw of propaganda infotainment disguised as insightful inquiry and controlled by the one of the largest arms manufacturers in America spoon feeding the pablum to the masses.
NOTE TO ASHLEY:
The Criminals currently in office are responsible for your mother’s death.
Didn’t you see the blood on G-Dub’s hands when he tried to smother the life out of you?
FROM A CONCERNED PATRIOT
The other two champion douche bags on TV are Joe Scarborough and that nitwit Tucker Carlson both of whom seem to be unbelievably jealous of Obama’s success. They literally spit venom from their teeth when they talk about him. In the case of Scarface, his jealousy stems from the fact that he made an complete and utter idiot of himself when he publicly predicted Hilary would crush Barak and now he grinds that big jaw of his ever time he has to discuss Obama’s success.
This sort of knee-jerk reaction to any statement made by a pundit is ridiculous. So Chuck Todd didn’t like MoveOn’s ad. Now he’s automatically a die hard Republican who should be thrown to the wolves? Are you seriously asking your readers to question his possible succession to Tim Russert on Meet the Press based on this statement? Mr. Amato, your disagreement with Chuck Todd on one small point doesn’t warrant the kind of vehemece with which you’re attacking him.
namvetted @ 30:
The ad is genius. If something like this would of come out in ‘04 Kerry could have won the election.
the ad was just okay, not great. I did object quite strongly to the conservatives on the program crying foul. after all they have done, any cry of foul is going to fall on deaf ears. when the lady says I think the american electorate is smarter than that in reference to “a hundred years, she clearly has not been paying attention. Middle America is ready to buy anything that is fed to them. Even the threat of $7.00 a gallon gas may not shake them out of their doldrums. McCain said it and perhaps has tried to explain or soften it, but he in fact did say it. How can some of these conservatives stand up for causes that are clearly against their best interests? That only serves to say to me how much they are anxious to join the mainstream media prostitutes who will sell their souls for an anchor position on one of the major networks. The Media is to blame. Then the political players.
Chuck Todd is awesome. The ad is mawkish and intellectually dishonest. If you watch the 100 years quote, McCain makes clear that we can’t sustain casualties for 100 years, but only that there may need to be some US presence for that long (which is certainly debatable, but even in the original quote he says he is not advocating a presence like we have now and that we cannot tolerate casualties for that long). The Democrats will lose if they hang their hat on the 100 years line (though the Republicans won with the shameful “I voted for the funding before I voted against it” smear, so what do I know?). You don’t have to beat McCain by distorting what he says — the man is more of a crazy hawk than Bush.
All of these ads suck - on both sides - and I’m sick of all of them! We’re supposed to be having a political campaign to aid citizens in selecting the folks who will be our leaders for the next number of years.
So, I’m thinking we need to get Madison Ave types (or wherever they reside nowadays) and the Karl Rove types out of it. The slick, single issue, gotcha ads do nothing but confuse and/or conflate - they add no value. We don’t need any more sarcasm, entertainment, emotional crap, fear-mongering, and most of all - we don’t need more LIES! What we need would be TRUTH, information, ideas, honesty, integrity, TRUTH, doable plans, inclusion, and…did I mention TRUTH.
I should say that I’ve been a reg. Independent for decades and I’ve never been swayed to vote one way or another by campaign ads. However, being thorough;y disgusted by the morons currently in office, in 2004 I contributed to MovOn’s efforts by making phone calls to get out the vote for Dems. If they really want to do ads in support of the Democrats, they should just make simple ads, using real facts. Cheney & Bush and their buds (including McCain) have provided enough fodder for thousands of information-packed spots. Let’s leave the babies out of it.
The sentiment is right on but it’s a bad ad with overwritten copy and awful acting. MoveOn can do better.
How about Adam Boulton?
The ad isn’t going to change my mind, I’m still voting Obama without thinking twice about it…but the ad didn’t do anything for me. Maybe MoveOn’s focus groups had a better result, but to me it didn’t really add anything new other than a baby’s face.
To me, the ad won’t sway anyone. The people who’re die hard McCain people are going to see the 100 years bit, and go back to Mika’s point. The Obama supporters are going to say right on, and it won’t change their vote. The people in the middle need to be bought with pudding cups because to not know what’s going on right now means you’re lacking in human functioning, and should sit in a nice padded room with a pudding cup where you can’t hurt anyone.
From the video-
“What I saw is what I want to see”
Truer words were never spoken.
Each time I saw Chuck Todd on the Keith Olberman show, I was reaching for my remote. At best Mr.”Todd” (with the snake charmers grin on his face), is always stating the obvious, which is of course very much in line with the whole NBC news department. Apart from Olberman (although he can be uneven at times) there is not a single original voice at NBC. It is a typical corporate syndrome, original voices are to be avoided at all costs. The declaration of Sainthood of Tim Russert (in a quite distasteful teary eyed spectacle not unworthy of FOX TV( by all the key members of the MSM, shows clearly that the only thing they all have in mind is, how do I please the Boss and what kind of bonus will I get at the end of my year, or life. Mr.”Todd” would be a perfect addition to the long list of mediocrity at NBC and the other Networks. They are just word ’sayers’.
Whassa Chuck Todd?
yes, you misquoted him in part.
and yes, you are still right about Chuck Todd.
Each time I saw Chuck Todd on the Keith Olberman show, I was reaching for my remote. At best Mr.”Todd” (with the snake charmers grin on his face), is always stating the obvious, which is of course very much in line with the whole NBC news department. Apart from Olberman (although he can be uneven at times) there is not a single original voice at NBC. It is a typical corporate syndrome, original voices are to be avoided at all costs. The universal declaration of Sainthood of Tim Russert by the MSM(in a quite distasteful teary eyed spectacle not unworthy of FOX TV) shows clearly that the only thing they all have in common is, how do I please the Boss. What kind of bonus will I get at the end of my day. month, year, or life. Maybe even such a send-off as Mr. Tim. Therefor Mr.”T