Barack Obama and Bill Clinton to talk within 48 hrs: Updated: They already did!
By John Amato Sunday Jun 29, 2008 5:00pm
Finally, it's happened. Barack and Bill will talk about the upcoming campaign.
Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe assured CNN’s Candy Crowley that former President Bill Clinton and presumptive Democratic nominee Barack Obama will be discussing Clinton’s role in the campaign within the next two days. I believe that in the next 24 to 48 hours they will talk and off we will go,” McAuliffe stated on Sunday’s Late Edition.
UPDATE: It took place today:
Senator Barack Obama and former President Bill Clinton spoke by telephone today, their first conversation since the combative Democratic presidential primary season ended at the beginning of the month. “Senator Obama had a terrific conversation with President Clinton and is honored to have his support in this campaign,” said Bill Burton, a spokesman for Mr. Obama. “He has always believed that Bill Clinton is one of this nation’s great leaders and most brilliant minds, and looks forward to seeing him on the campaign trail and receiving his counsel in the months to come.”
The Clinton hating Villagers will be screaming about this one way or the other. They can't stop talking about Bill and Hillary even when you know Obama wanted the spotlight for himself. I mean, he earned it. He won. It's like they lost their fix or something. I wrote this during the Obama/Hillary NH event on Friday,
When you start hearing the media elites attack Bill Clinton---just turn it off. They need controversy. They don’t want us to come together…
Here's Cafferty's first segment on CNN right after:
And then, of course, there's Bill Clinton. The former president and Barack Obama have not spoken since Obama won the nomination. Wouldn't you think the last sitting Democratic president might want to talk to the party's presumptive nominee?
I think it speaks voluming that there hasn't been a single word exchanged between Bill Clinton and Barack Obama since he wrapped up the nomination.
BLITZER: I suspect that will change probably at some point.
CAFFERTY: It better change pretty soon.
BLITZER: Yes. He's overseas right now, but at some point it will change.
CAFFERTY: Do they have phones there?
BLITZER: Yes, they do.
CAFFERTY: Yes. That's what I thought.
Blitzer knew the score. Here's a memo to the media: Obama won. It's his time and he calls the shots on what happens to the party and who says what and in what time frame. Please, there's plenty of other things to focus on right now. As Obama has said, he wants Bill to help his campaign and he is a huge asset. Yes, it was a heated primary, but we're healing as a party. It doesn't happen over night, but it's happening very, very fast. Too many of these phony right wing strategists (not Cafferty, he's a good guy) go on tevee and in some liberal bloggers comment sections and have been given a free pass to attack, attack, attack.
Yes, I hear heads exploding at americablog and anti-Clintonite sites everywhere.
Did either one have to wear knee pads?
Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
Does this make the senate's most librul senator even libruller?
The Rightwing talking points are saying (and Huffpost) that Bill said Obama can kiss his *ss. Very presidential if true.
Bill Clinton believes in 2 things:
The Democratic Party
Bill Clinton
Unfortunately, the above list is in reverse order of importance to Bill, and it's weighted 85% Bill and 15% Democratic agenda.
He is a megalomaniac. Just one man's opinion.
I can sleep tonight!
Jersey Jay @ 4:
Nice to hear something from someone who personally knows Bill Clinton for a change.
Oh wait.
Don't do it Bill! Hillary will have another chance after four years of a failed McCain presidency!
I agree with John Amato: Cafferty is usually on the mark, so that he puts his foot in his mouth at all is easily overlooked. It's a rare occurrence, and I'm sure he's happy to be shown up in this instance.
Those that have supported Obama have developed a deep and ultimately misplaced resentment of Bill and Hillary Clinton. Yes, the primaries were tremendously emotional and while it's understandable that one side would hate the other (think sports fans), we ought to be able to grow up, take a breather, and move on. As an addendum, it would also help if we could remember that the twenty-four hour news networks are largely responsible for the characterizations of Bill and Hillary Clinton, as are the Republicans, who made their smear campaign from the late nineties stick, sadly.
But that's neither here nor there. Bill Clinton was a good President, and he's a smart, experienced, and charismatic ally. I'd be honoured to have him in my corner too.
There seem to have been more than a few Villagers hanging around here. Still are, for that matter.
Eh, at least Clinton wasnt so needy he had to throw out two stimulus packages, one to say 'thanks for electing me' and the other to say 'sorry for screwing things up so badly'
http://www.howispentmystimulus.com/posts/view/215
It would have been really big of the ex-president to have made a private call to Senator Obama and congratulated him on his nomination shortly after his win. Who knows, maybe he did. But now that is neither here nor there.
Is Terry Mcauliffe still on the payroll for Sen. or President Clinton, or is he just out there running his mouth. God, he gets on my nerves. Toward the end of Senator Clinton's campaign he was saying things about how the race could end that were impossible, but that didn't stop him.
I have no idea if the Clintons will ever, deep in their hearts support Senator Obama, but I hope they can try.
so, bill's "kiss my ass" was satire?
Peter G @ 9:
"It takes a Villager" to raze with guile...your days are numbered, MainStreamMother@%*$ers.
well, it seems it is... from comedy central, no less... and fox and friends are running with it...
http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/06/30/bill-clinton-allegedly-invites...
ah hahahahaha!
"Jersey Jay @ 4:
Bill Clinton believes in 2 things:
The Democratic Party
Bill Clinton
Unfortunately, the above list is in reverse order of importance to Bill, and it’s weighted 85% Bill and 15% Democratic agenda.
He is a megalomaniac. Just one man’s opinion.
Nice to hear something from someone who personally knows Bill Clinton for a change.
Oh wait."
Hey Meat - You got me. I just didn't see that angle coming at all. You can never know anything about anyone unless you know them personally. Their actions, statements, policies, that's all b.s. - right? Thanks for setting me straight.
p.s. - how did you figure out Obama was a good candidate? Did you bump into him at the 7-11 and strike up a telling conversation?
katy @ 14:
Seriously? Fox is running with that satire? Oh what a thing of beauty if they are. This is like their ham sandwich story that they ran with and then had to back pedal.
Obama will play the hand he's dealt.
He'll play it skilfully with a view toward 2012.
Good luck America.
Ruthless People @ 5:
Exactly what I was thinking. Who freaking cares? What a side-show. Hard to fill a 24-hour news cycle, I guess - if only there were a war going on or something.
Clinton was a good president. Very good. One of the best ever, imho.
He and his better half have the opportunity to be two of the most important states people in American history -- when America really needs them. Right now.
Just happy and glad to know that Bill and Hillary support Barrack Obama. It's a great endorsement for the Democratic party - and especially for democratic-minded people all over the world.
In other news "fiscal conservative" Bush liberates Americans from 162 billion more of their hard earned tax dollars http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080630/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush for his 2 failed wars that members on his administration get to profit from http://www.rawstory.com/news/2005/Cheneys_stock_options_rose_3281_last_1... http://www.aztlan.net/oiltanker.htm and leaving us to foot the bill.
What I want to know is when are we going to get a 162 billion school, bridges, roads, power grid or levees bill?
Who exactly cared about this? Hillary people didn't seem to care. Obama people didn't seem to care. So who is left to care? Yep, once again the answer is the media. They tried to create some sort of mystery. I'm surprised they didn't have a special clock ticking off the hours until the phone call happened.
Looks like Obama kissed Clinton's ass
What was that chomping noise at .04 seconds?
Hmmm, sounded like Bill wolfing down some crow.
Jack the Obama hack showed his hatred for the Clintons everyday this cycle.
Freakin drunk again.
Bill Clinton was the best Republican President since Eisenhower. He is the kind of liberal that all about black folks until Chelsea
brings one home. I guess for Bill to meet with Barak, Barak had to promise a shoe shine.
Fuck Bill Clinton, war criminal, sexual deviant, closet racist, RepubLite little bitch.
G @ 23:
If I were going to have to kiss ass better Clinton's than Jerry Falwell's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kyoOXooloU
As most of you regulars know, I'm not from the US, but can tell you from my opinion and people I know that share that opinion (alot up here). Most have and always will, view Bill Clinton as a phoney Dem, sneaky politician, that always had dirt but was slimey enough to not get any of it stuck to him (except for the women issue).....he's always got credit for something he never had anything to do with (global economy booming) and never was given any blame for anything crappy that he DID do (NAFTA for just one)...he is the ultimate strawman...but for some reason people credit him with way more than he ever could possibly have accomplished. Even the US economic boom under his presidency was all smoke and mirrors paper profits with no substance. He was actually more Republican in his policies than Bush Sr.
starting to look like John Kerry light.
he apologizes for his attackers.
I hope Chainey doesn't shoot him in the face.
BaScOmBe hearts Lara Logan @ 29:
Who's Chalney? If you mean Cheney, Obama's not a small pen raised flightless bird or an old lawyer so I don't think he would have anything to worry about.
Bill Clinton? He's that president that was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors against the country, right? What'd he do, shred the Constitution? Mislead the USA into a war? Politicize the Justice Dept? Bankrupt the Treasury? Gimme a minute, I'm sure I'll remember; probably caused the deaths of thousands....
ConcernedCanuck @ 28:
Actually very few up here share that opinion as far as I can tell. I certainly don't. Bill Clinton can fill any house up here that he cares to speak at.
Jersey Jay @ 16:
You're employing a straw man argument, accusing me of saying things I never said. For example, "You can never know anything about anyone unless you known them personally." I never so much as implied that.
Nonetheless, you were hardly hesitant, apologetic, or even somewhat vague in your vitriol toward Bill Clinton. You even offered us a ratio of how much Bill Clinton cares for the Democratic Party. Don't blame me for pointing out when you are clearly talking out of your ass.
Bill Clinton should have nothing to do with this election IMO He is a past president and he didn't really help the cause that much when he was President.
In the mean time I'm watching how Obama caves on FISA and then throws General Wesley Clark under a bus in the same week.
I was an Obama fan and I quit on the first issue and was disgusted on the second. The refrain of "why even bother to vote" is actually resonating. Now I wish Hillary was the nominee. As least you knew what you had.
Hillary may have signed on to help Obama, but I haven’t and won’t unless she is on his ticket. The old boys club in Washington has said that obama won the nomination but we all know in America that they lied. Hillary won the popular vote across America. The people of America got up went to the polls because they thought their vote would count, that because they were American citizens in a free nation and not a third world country that our vote counted for something, only it counted only as much as it does in a third world country…nothing. It is all show and tell because the DemocraticCommunist party rigged the election. They said they had the right to take away an American's constitutional right to vote and have it not count by what they did to the folks in Florida and Michigan. Hillary won the popular vote and the delegate votes and they knew it but they would not allow her in office because she would stand up to their deceitfulness. They wanted someone they could push over, someone green who did not know the ropes of the white house. Hillary and Bill know it, they are prepared to take over and clean up the mess that was entirely the same mess we had when they first got into office.
Remember even when the rep. tried to scar Bill his approval rating never went down because he did something that no one else had ever done before, he gave America a surplus and ensured that our grandchildren would not have to pay off a huge national debt. While in office Bill made peace with the blacks and reimbursed them for the slavery their relatives had gone through. He also did the same for the Japanese that were held in our camps. He helped women on welfare get off instead of repeating generations of welfare recipients; he gave them education so they could respect themselves and start a new life supporting their families. Bill sets up his office in black Harlem and sets about to continue his efforts to help the black community after office. He is their friend. He loves the black community. I have always believed that blacks were the heart and soul of America.
Hillary runs for office, the blacks make fun of her and call her names. Suddenly the one they used to praise, they now shun and make fun of because after all she is running against someone of their color. They call Bill a racist for a non racist remark. I believe obama only is where he is because of the efforts of Bill and Hillary. I understand if I were black I would want a black man in office but not at the expense of trying to hurt someone who has done so much to help me or my cause.
Who does that? Who treats someone the way they did Hillary and Bill after all the love and help the Clinton's have shown them?
Hillary may play nice because of the democraticcommunist party but I think for myself and I put America first. Obama has no experience and someone else is planning on pulling his chain. He will be a puppet. What torks my jaw is you have the media saying that young people are voting and they are saying Hillary is too old and we need new ideas. So does that mean that everything ever taught to these college students by their parents is not accepted or wrong? I mean these college students are being supported by their old foggy parents, they are not supporting themselves. They may be smart as far as technology but in a war, or a crisis they would not be able to help themselves, but us older Americans would. It is like we know before technology what to do and after it came how to use it. Bill and Hillary had the highest approval rating when in office and remember people wanted them to stay even after their 8 year term. What is wrong with the old if it worked miracles? Being old is not bad it just gives you wisdom to make smarter decisions. I guess we should throw out all the old farts in office that have been there using our tax money on frivolous crap. See congress knows that Hillary would get rid of the pork that this group of men is spending…our taxes…..on their junk programs that make them richer. Obama is not experienced enough to know about it or stand up to it. He is a baby in politics and you do not give a baby a babysitting job you give it to a teenager who has babysat before and did a good job of protecting that baby and feeding it and nurturing it. So many Americans need nurturing today because they have been screwed by the same type small group of men who decided they wanted bush in office over dole or Kerry and who are now deciding they want obama in office over Hillary.
Now obama wants Hillary to campaign for him after he stole the election from her. He never won, it is a fact!!! She spent her own money and fought valiantly for our country and he stole it from her. She is in debt when she would not have been had they given the election to the one who had really won which was Hillary. He has no class because he is asking her to put herself out after he was a thief, and does not have the class to offer her the ticket with him. You know the movie "My Cousin Vinny" ? When Vinny asks the FBI agent about the tires and he does not answer right away, Vinny says "It's okay, go a head and answer, they already know you are wrong." Well, that is what I say to the old boys club and the press, go a head and lie, but we Americans already know the truth and you can rig elections but you can not take the knowledge of the truth from us. Now the democrat communist’s party knows they stole the primary for obama and now they want to change and get rid of the Electoral College because they know the Electoral College can do to obama what they did to Hillary. Ha!!! However, the press, the media if you can call them that, I call them the vultures, the ones that report lies they want you to believe. Scoundrel's, weasel's that is what they are. They would not know the truth if they were slapped in the face with it. The media has become like a reality show, where you have to lie in order to win and that is what the press does, it lies. There is no honor or truth in that profession they have become like lawyers. They have been reporting that obama has won already in the electoral votes, now if the Electoral College is supposed to vote the way of the people, and the people are not voting until Nov. than how can he already be winning? The democratic communist party are doing the same thing as bush did before he got into office, cheating, lying, and at all costs illegally and unconstitutionally acting like a third world dictatorship to put in office who a small group of congressmen and senators want in office.
People we cannot take it any longer!!! They are robbing us of our constitutional rights. A small group of men are putting in office who they want against the objections of Americans who thought their vote counted. See that is what always made America great, was our constitutional rights. But congress has stripped those rights away from us. They decided against the will of America they would put obama in and take Hillary out. Well, it is time to rise up and not take it anymore.
People of America it is time to take a stand. Come November write in Hillary's name on the ballot and teach them all a lesson. Teach them that they have to abide by our constitution that we are not going to allow a dictatorship to rule in America. That we are not going to take it anymore. Vote all the congress people who voted for obama out of office. Rise up and lets save America.
Mickxotic @ 31:
Many seem to remember Clinton in such a way as to think they legitimately believe he is guilty of what you mentioned...
I suppose, given enough time, it's easy to gloss over the myriad good things a man did for his country. For eight years, the shit pundits complained about (as well as the shit Jon Stewart joked about) was absolutely trivial - especially when we're comparing President Clinton and President Bush.
ConcernedCanuck @ 28:
Those opinions hardly reflect the opinions of the Canadians I know, and I'm one of them. Frankly, throughout the world, Bill Clinton has been something of a rock star - the same way that Al Gore is now too. People knew that the "Monica Lewinsky scandal" was utter bullshit, just as they sensed that Al Gore was fucked over. And both men have dedicated many, many of their retirement years to travelling the globe and helping out in various ways. Christ, the man went after bin Laden before he was a household name, and is accused of "wagging the dog" while Fox News' Chris Wallace asks him why he didn't do more to stop the madman. Bill Clinton made mistakes, certainly, but for far too many people it's in vogue to be a cynical jackass as soon as someone makes a mistake or otherwise fucks up at all. Look at how individuals are reacting to Barack Obama now that they're seeing him for what he is: a centrist politician attempting to unite individuals from both sides. Oh no! He's not the ultra-liberal I had hoped he'd be in spite of continuous evidence to the contrary! I'm rambling, but the point is that while it's easy to pick at your belly button lint and type smack about a man who has made the world a better place for having lived in it, it's far from admirable or even that hip.
the media always hated clinton because he raised their taxes and didn't start wars. because we all know the 2 things the media ejaculates over are wars and tax cuts for people in their tax bracket.
37 Meat Says
Um...he killed almost as many innocent people as Bush Jr. That is admirable? And I'm not sure where you live, but just because the US media says he's globally loved, trust me, it's not the case....ask any manufacturing areas affected by his Republican policies how much they Luvs them some Bubba Clinton.
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Meat @ 39:
I did use the block quote. Or at least, I thought I did. I don't mean to make a fuss, but I intend to stick around and right now I'm confused, so it's best if you tell me how to proceed now before I screw up again. Heh.
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He is a megalomaniac. Just one man’s opinion.
Nice to hear something from someone who personally knows Bill Clinton for a change.
Oh wait.”
Hey Meat - You got me. I just didn’t see that angle coming at all. You can never know anything about anyone unless you know them personally. Their actions, statements, policies, that’s all b.s. - right? Thanks for setting me straight.
p.s. - how did you figure out Obama was a good candidate? Did you bump into him at the 7-11 and strike up a telling conversation?
You’re employing a straw man argument, accusing me of saying things I never said. For example, “You can never know anything about anyone unless you known them personally.” I never so much as implied that.
Nonetheless, you were hardly hesitant, apologetic, or even somewhat vague in your vitriol toward Bill Clinton. You even offered us a ratio of how much Bill Clinton cares for the Democratic Party. Don’t blame me for pointing out when you are clearly talking out of your ass.
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Please enlighten me. What could you have been implying when you said:
"Nice to hear something from someone who personally knows Bill Clinton for a change.
Oh wait.”
And my opinion is just that. You interpet it as vitriol because Bill Is Your Guy! I think he was a very smart man who was an average president, got lucky with the economy and some infamous Greenspan hocus-pocus, and made harmful trade policies, all while abusing the Executive Office.
I don't generally go for making "hesitant, apologetic, or even somewhat vague" opinions. Otherwise they're not opinions, just words strung together and thrown out there, hoping for someone else to give them meaning.
Meat @ 40:
Furthermore, does anyone know of a way for me to get my post back? I used the 'back button,' but it's gone. While it was a lot of text to read, it was also a lot of text to write.
[Sorry, Meat...It's gone! Yes, it sucks, but if it makes you feel better, it's happened to me more than
onceten times. Site Monitor]JoAnna@35-
I've lived in Michigan my entire life, and I've punched the ticket for Dems in every election since 1984, the first general election I was allowed to vote in. No one in Michigan got ripped off, thank you very much.
What happened here in January- well, it started last year, actually- is that we wanted to draw some attention to the state of our state, so with overwhelming bipartisan support our legislature passed a measure to move us up in the primaries. The hope was that we would have a full slate of candidates from which to choose, rather than the whittled down fields of candidates we usually see after Super Tuesday. We were asking the candidates from all of the parties to pander to us.
But the Dems and the GOP didn't want us to leapfrog other states, so they told their candidates that if they stayed on the ballots, the Democratic votes wouldn't be counted and the GOP delegates won would be halved, and if the Democratic candidates even showed up to campaign in the state they would be penalized somehow in one way or another.
So most of the Democratic candidates withdrew their names from the ballot. Kucinich and Gravel refused to do so. Clinton didn't remove her name, either, but her reasoning wasn't a protest- rather, her campaign simply forgot to file in time to have her name removed from the ballot.
Now there were many of us in the state who knew what was up. When I went to the polls in January, my choices were Clinton, Gravel, Kucinich and Uncommitted- no write-ins allowed. Since I didn't support the other three (I supported Edwards), I voted Uncommitted. Problem is that there were many, MANY voters who thought that their only choice was between the three candidates listed, so they simply voted for Clinton as the best of the three choices.
So don't tell me she was robbed here- her vote total was inflated by the ignorance of many of my fellow Michiganders.
As for the rest of your comment- Hillary was running for the Presidential nomination of the Democratic Party. She hasn't, and probably won't win that nomination...AND SHE KNOWS THIS! That's why she has ended her campaign, and is supporting Obama (btw, he's helping her pay off her campaign debt). She seems to have gotten over it. Isn't it time that you get over it, too?
[FIFY. SM :D]
Jersey Jay @ 40:
Your opinions seem to be entirely conjecture, making them next to useless. For example, telling me how I interpret what I read is a little presumtuous, no? In any event, I interpret your attitude toward Bill Clinton as "vitriolic" because you, amongst other things, dubbed him a "megalomaniac." That's not exactly mild criticism. But I suppose we're going to have to agree to disagree.
Furthermore, there's nothing wrong with modesty. A lot of people profess to 'tell it like it is,' as though they're aware of a Deep Truth that no one else is. I know admitting that you're operating on projections and personal gut reactions is far less interesting or marketable, but it has the advantage of being honest. In any event, you did say that you were offering your opinion, and I offer kudos for that, but you still went on to say things that I really do not think you can even pretend to know without having met the man. Hence the snark. I think we understand each other, regardless, and this is a silly semantical argument that I'm sure we're both already tired of.
Meat @ 42:
I guess I'll let it slide this time, even if I'm a bitter computer geek and it's raining out which always makes me grumpy. :)
It only makes sense for political theater to spend as much time with this little dance. They get to look like they are fighting for weighty issues, and McCain doesn't get to fill the press with another Swift Boat attack.
So, as "over this" as I am, as long as they keep McSame out, I'll be happy.
Meat@45-
About a year ago, C&L made the transition from HaloScan to WordPress because the site had outgrown the capabilities of the former. In the months before the switch, I would, some nights, lose four or five comments.
My monitor is very lucky that it wasn't destroyed.
Yeah, what's he going to say? "Obama talked to Bill today and told him he better get on board or everybody will see that he is a whining little prick that he is."
Ain't over it, and won't ever get over it. I refuse to enable the thuggery from howard dean, nancy pelosi, obama and the jerks who called me a racist, a woman hater and an idiot. And, obama is not the winner until the convention makes him so. PUMA.
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The media and frankly some of the far left blogs are so disgusting with their addiction to Clinton hatred. I thought I'd see a little unity on those blogs after the unity event. What I found was the Clinton bashing ratcheted up and the left going wobbly on Obama. They look hellbent to screw up another election while breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back about their superior judgement. Loony toons.
Meat - you right. I was tired out it right away. It was just fascinating that I know nothing about you or Bill, yet you know me so well. After your astute analysis of me, I am now and forever a Bill Clinton guy! Thanks for the ad hominems and barbs. You are the better person. I love you.
obama is in the habit of having his chain jerked by the right. just like sunday pundit says obie don't challenge his party and then he throws MoveOn and clark under the bus. there's plenty to worry about if he beciomes the same asshole that lost the last two presidential elections by not fighting for a fucking cause.
what the hell is he supposed to be standing for? It should not be a question!
JoAnna @ 35:
yeah, let's fuck shit up so mcC*nt can win! yeah!
Andy K Jong Il @ 43:
No.
Bud@55
Well, since you put it that way, let's do away with the primary system altogether. We can go back to those heady days of the late 18th and early 19th centuries, when the candidates in the November elections would split the fuck out of both the popular and Electoral College votes, allowing the Congress to make secret deals with each other to select the President. That's a lot better than what we've got now.
Thanks for the wonderful insight.
katy @ 15:
HA!
After reading that piece with all the unnamed blah blah blah I'm wondering if fox news didn't plant it.
Not that I think Clinton isn't capable of saying that.
Still, what you say in private to a "friend" is not what one would say in public despite what you feel.
Stupid story. I get his anger and the comment I just don't get the idiot who put it out and even less the "journalists" who think they need to run with it.
Wait a minute-
Did somebody say Huffington Post and Fox?
Never mind.
That says it all.
G @ 23:
When does this Clinton crap end? Obama fucking around with the Gruesome Twosome day after day. I know now he is not the leader I had hoped for. Getting soft and mushy on Fisa and funding the war. The American People see this as just so much soap opera. Lead the country asshole don`t play kiss and make up with the Clintons. They would love to see you dead from an assasin`s bullet. Move on.
Steve E @ 59:
when he's buried.......it's too bad i respect him but there's a new dude in town man the media loves it in this digital world everybody know's when you fart they're going to wear us out before november
Mickxotic @ 31:
One thing you might not remember and that was the fact that over 500,000 people died in Rawanda from murder and starvation and Bill did sweet nothing. What a humanitarian. He is so full of shit and so is his charming power hungry wife.
Ruthless People @ 21:
when the dems. get in office....you know we have to beg for infrastructure....right now were paying for iraqi infrastucture.....i guess republicans don't care about fiscal responsibilty anymore....debt and defecit
Steve E @ 61:
i agree with you about rawanda but it seems to me there has always been ongoing murder in africa as long as i can remember somalia,ethiopia,uganda,s.africa during other president terms
Peter G @ 32:
Thanks Peter,
I don't know where people get this garbage. Oh, yes I do, the neocon garbage from the nineties and the lack of research.
there are many books out there that look at what the republicans did to the Clinton's and the incredible amount of energy, time, money and focus into bringing him and Hillary down.
I am always left shaking my head (or banging it against the wall, depending on my mood) when I read the regurgitated neocon crap. What is worse is when I read people accusing him/them of being neocon's and Republicans.
ugh.
There is a good book by Nation writer John Judis called The Paradox of American Democracy that has a couple of chapters on the Clinton administration and the neocon's unbelievable tricks and unrelenting campaign to destroy them. Truly mind blowing. Those chapters alone are worth the price of the book.
I've probably mentioned it before but it bears repeating.
karl @ 63:
Yeah your right. The Bush Sr. term, the Clinton term, and now the Bush Jr. term.
Not watching the Villagers anymore has made me a much happier person.
So Bill is out of the country. Conversation captured.
Jersey Jay @ 53:
Again with the straw men! I never asked you to like Bill Clinton. Your opinion is ultimately unimportant. And I never said anything that would indicate that I know you well; I simply pointed out that what you said was fairly ludicrous. Now you are resorting to the bitter sarcasm of a child with hurt feelings. Either way, this conversation is indeed over.
jimbo @ 50:
PUMA- Pathetic Ugly McCain Agent... i got yer Poo-ma right here bitch
http://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/pumas_are_swiftboats_darragh...
via the always brilliant Dr. Zaius http://zaiusnation.blogspot.com/
(not Cafferty, he's a good guy)
Oh my God! Cafferty is the most crass man on tv and spent the last few months trashing both Clintons while giving Obama a virtual bj every night. It became so bad from both he and Olberman I have refused to watch or listen to them for months now and it's been a real pleasure to take that garbage out of my life. I do now intend to vote for Obama but this Clinton hatred really needs to stop. I keep wondering where this new breed of hateful Democrats have come from and it truly makes me suspicious of Obama. I don't think I'm the only one.
The Obama supporters just don't quit bashing the Clintons, do they?
Now that Obama has flip flopped on many issues, would you Obama supporters have given Hillary a break if she had done the same? (
Do you trust that Obama will bring our guys and gals back from Iraq?