Judging by the surrogates acting like their panties got twisted in a wad, Clark has drawn some blood on this one….should keep it up. If the best that they have is discrediting Clark’s experience they lose. If the best that they have is the pity factor for being a POW they lose. If the best that they have is being shot down or crashing a jet is a qualification for POTUS they lose. How much does Clark and Obama have to praise him for his service for Christ sakes.

I say keep hammering the leadership issue home. And as long as McCranky acts like a hurt child about it, it basically shows that he can’t deal with it…and should give us pause about what else he can’t deal with….

keep it up!!!!!

I am so fucking tired of this never-ending bullshit.

Michelle Obama caught hell for saying this was the first time she was proud of her country. That’s one more than me.

Call me crazy, but it seems to me Clark’s point was that getting shot down isn’t a prerequisite to being president. Isn’t that true? Or did I miss that part of history where all our presidents thus far been shot down and held as POWs before running for office?

Talk about a manufactured controversy.

Mike Galanos read the sports well when CNN covered sports. I watched him a few times on Headline News. He should stick to reading the news. His grasp of what he read was at a grade two level.

Clark should keep on brining this up. He has TONS more credibility than McBush.

…AND he didn’t crash 3 planes, make propaganda films for the enemy, and divorce his wife once she had a horrible accident.

People need to keep asking McBush this, if only to make him finally blow his top.

McCain was a shitty pilot who surrendered and cooperated with the Vietnamese. Only dumb-ass republicans would think this qualifies you to be president.

Ahem … *bringing* this up

mcC*nt is an empty-headed asshole!

I love the outrage on the right when they talk about McCain being tortured but when Bush and friends do it, it’s no big deal.

cenk nailed him with the last one: “you don’t know what you’re talking about! Clark was shot four times!!”

I wonder if Ben Ferguson’s mama still eats food out of the bowl she used to give him that haircut?

McCain says he is proud of his record of service. Why, then, won’t he release his record for us to see? Something there he is hiding. I am sick of idiots like Ferguson (why isn’t he serving in Iraq?) saying Obama has no reason to criticize McCain as Obama has not been in public service nearly as long as McCain. This qualifies McCain??? Why don’t these hacks look at McCain’s past history. Many crashed planes, fellow Navy members killed because of McCain’s recklessness, and now he wants us to believe he is a hero! Sorry, McShame, you are no hero. Only in your old, demented mind. And in the minds of the sorry repug hacks you have convinced of your heroism. Don’t Ferguson, et al ever read anything. Of course not if it is critical of McShame. They are too busy worshiping and kissing a**. Ferguson, go crawl back under your rock. Or know of what you speak. Maybe if Bush wants a surge in Afghanistan Fergie can enlist and become a hero just like his hero McShame.

Wesley Clark was wounded three times in Viet Nam earlier in his career. If we honor McCain’s sacrifice, we should honor Clark’s sacrifice too. But these guys should not get away with characterizing Clark’s service as in an air-conditioned room. He was on the ground in Viet Nam when McCain was flying over it in an air-conditioned cockpit.

I once stubbed my toe really fucking bad, does that qualify me to be secretary of transportation?

So why don’t the Democrats find a few former POWs who would be willing to say that being a POW hasn’t qualified THEM for President?

Note how the lead-in clip of Clark edited out Bob Schieffer’s question. Schieffer was the one who was essentially arguing that flying a plane into AA fire qualified McCain to be President.

By the way, the BBC website had an interview last week with McCain’s prison commander. He said McCain was never tortured. WHOA! You can bet that the Republicans would have used that against a Democrat if the roles were reversed. They’d be punching you in the face with it. Over and over.

It’s great to see Ugyur handling it well, but God, sometimes you Democrats fight like sissies. Drives me crazy. Hit ‘em hard!

McCain’s media, hard at work as usual. Headline news is no better than Fox when it comes to talking head shows.

Why isn’t that little twit in the military?

That’ what Randi Rhodes asked him and I still want the answer.

Did anyone notice how that weaselly faced ass disparaged Wesley Clark’s service. He said he sat in a trailer during his wartime experience, bullshit Clark was a line officer during Vietnam and came home with 4 bullet wounds a was in rehab for a long time. No one not Cenk Unger not the idiot CNN Anchor called him on it. If the right is going to push McSames Military record down are throat (he is getting to be like Rudy G btw) the left needs to start knee capping these idiots. If I was Cenk and Ferguson started to run his mouth I would have asked do you support the war….Do you support the troops….Have you ever served in the military if no shut the F%$ck up and stop running your pie hole. The Dems need to start kicking ass and taking names and stop pussyfooting with GOP because it is going to very soon that the attack adds are going to label Obama a drug dealing purse snatching welfare living SOB, when they want to call him the N word and the way these bastards are I won’t doubt that they will.

These shameless media morons ought to be frog-marched before breakfast, made to watch John Stewart’s appearance on CrossFire, and bitch slapped.

If you read the Wikipedia page cited above, Clark was wounded in 1970 in Vietnam by four AK-47 rounds while commanding troops. An air-conditioned room is not mentioned in the article. Does Mr. Ferguson have a similar experience to relate? Wes Clark can spot you two wounds and still beat you any time.

GG @ 10:

I love the outrage on the right when they talk about McCain being tortured but when Bush and friends do it, it’s no big deal.

Very good point!

McCain said yesterday that Senator Obama should “cut him loose”, meaning General Clark. What the hell would he cut General Clark loose from? Clark was a strong Hillary supporter.

I think General Clark made an important point that needed to be made. Being shot down in a plane does not automatically show that one has the judgment nor the experience to be president of the US.

He must have hit a nerve because I have seldom seen so much made of so little. And jesus, Andrea Mitchell about had a coronary about this. She’s supposed to be a journalist, not a op-ed writer. Her job is to report the news, not criticize it.

Hey! the Columbian government just free 3 Americans held for 3-4 yrs. I smell more qualified presidental candidates

well, you guys haven’t looked at the *ahem* US constitution have you?

it says right here:

US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States. Further, no person other than former POWs who were shot down and held hostage for years shall be eligible for the office of the president.

/snark off

but seriously, this is another one of those bullshit issues. a way for the msm to create unneeded controversy. and a way for the mccain camp to feign anger.

complete and utter bullshit. figures that a piss poor entertainment station like cnn would continue to wallow in the shit. fits them perfectly.

Hey if getting shot down makes you presidential material, I got shot in the ass and spent 10 days in a Russian Jail during the cold war. What does that make me qualified for…Congressman, Senator what.

What’s a ‘meme’, anyway? Don’t tell me, I don’t want to know.

It’s a silly media-word you never hear in real life.

So why use it?

I think Andrea had been getting some of that McCain on the side (shudders). She seemed to take it a little TOO personally.

Greg Johnston @ 25:

Hey if getting shot down makes you presidential material, I got shot in the ass and spent 10 days in a Russian Jail during the cold war. What does that make me qualified for…Congressman, Senator what.

UN Ambassador or an ambassador post to your choice country (I hear Brazil is really nice).

Back in the 90s, I was a long haul trucker. One day, I was involved in a minor accident. Noone involved was seriously hurt, but I did bump my head on my CB radio. After a precautionary exam in the ER, I was immediately hired on as the hospitals Chief Neurosurgeon. Of course.

clark repeatedly praised mccain for his past military service/pow status……mccain didn’t have an executive position or make executive decisions……that’s all he
said unless i missed something. clark i believe a rhodes scholar/oxford grad four star general can make that comment…the guy is a stud. when the argument comes
up that but but but obama doesn’t have any service or
executive experience…..your correct so they’re both equal in that respect. this is mccain’s perceived strongest point to the public…….certain demographics if asked about mccain.. they would describe him as a pow/maybe a pilot……..if asked anything beyond that you might get crickets…..mccains’ campaign knows this. they thought no one could touch this subject.
i think clark believes what he said and maybe decided to bring it up after c. Blacks comment(s) about a terrorist attack helping mccain…..clark was saying people this is not a free pass to presidency. the(R) is trying really hard to blow this up…i listened to that laura ingram yesterday on this topic i almost puked she completely distorted the comments. the (R) wishes barack had said it.
mccain was questioned by a reporter about his service and it’s relationship to presidency yesterday….he couldn’t or wouldn’t answer. we better be ready because this going to be nasty…..

Let’s all gasp and pretend that what Clark said was shocking and offensive rather than obvious.

I don’t know where Ben Ferguson has been but the military folks I associate with and because I am a veteran myself agree with Gen. Clark’s statements about McCain’s service record. Simply serving in the military in any capacity for one thing does not automatically qualify a person to be President of the United States and I don’t care what kind of record you have. Sure, its helpful but its not the only thing that matters unless you want someone like a Napoleon or Julius Ceasar at the helm. Besides, what difference does McCain’s military record make when you compare it to the entire Bush Administration today. That whole Administration has dodged military service their entire lives but Ferguson doesn’t see a problem with that apparently and that is probably because he is just like them.

If we’re going to talk about who’s qualified to be prez, I’ll take the guy who was able to fly his Vietnam jet and NOT get his ass shot down. At least he got the job done.

Andrea and Mika were having vapors over this, Monday morning. It was strange the outrage they showed. As a result of their excitement, General Clark got lots of air time to drive his point home. The sob sisters may have shot themselves in the foot on this one.

My wife would send these kids to their rooms.

Many Vietnam Vets dont support McCain. Maybe they’ll start talking in Sept.

I almost sense that the media harping on this is slowly blowing up in their faces like some time delay trick cigar. McSame has a lost look in the segment and the wires today are rife with reports that the McLame staff shake up turned on inept ‘message’ manufacture. .
Now the poor hapless ‘message’ gets further buried as the abject looking coot appears about to sob over the imposition of this common sense assertion. The shillers shoulda probably jettisoned this stinker, like, last Monday, but they keep scratching it till it bleeds all over them.

And the dim bowl haircut is priceless. Note to CNN shills: When you trot out a con servitor to serve up cheap squeaks against one such as Cenk, could you at least find one who doesn’t resemble some long lost urchin love child offspring of the Three Stooges Moe Howard. Yikes what a pitiful mismatch.

Let me get this straight once and for all:

Kerry’s service in Vietnam = bad, no BFD.

McCrazy’s “heroism” = great!

Alrighty, then.

If getting shot down entitles you to be commander in chief and the opposite, not being shot down , like Obama, disqualifies you to be commander in chief, then Bush is not entitled to be commander in chief neither.

You can’t make a nuanced argument with someone unintelligent or intellectually dishonest.

I totally agree that nobody who has not been a P.O.W. should be allowed to become President. P.O.W. is definitely a prerequisite. So what the hell is Obama doing running for president - it’s not his territory !! The FOOL !!
The thing is McCain is too old and too conservative. I prefer a younger, less conservative former P.O.W. become president.
How about a homeless vet ?
Obama What a Fool !!

(sarcasm)

I may not be current military but as a veteran I’d sure as hell follow Clark into battle but would keep a great distance away from any combat mccain was leading! And you couldn’t pay me enough to listen to Ben Ferguson’s radio program!

I got shot several times while in the Air Force

Of course it was bourbon.

Everyone McCain’s age, or Obama’s age for that matter, has experience of one kind or another. The question is, will this experience help them face the challenges of the job they are seeking? I can see that McCain and Obama’s experiences both have worth for the presidency, they are just different. However, experience without critical thinking and self-awareness is not useful and can in fact be harmful. Who has the best decision-making skills? I think it is clear that it is Obama.

What? Clark took four bullets in an airconditioned room? Funny. I thought it was in actual combat.

Ferguson is a f*cking moron and needs to shut his ignorant pie hole.

Kudos to Cenk! “I think you guys are crazy!”

Amen brother.

“What’s a ‘meme’, anyway? Don’t tell me, I don’t want to know.

It’s a silly media-word you never hear in real life.

So why use it?”

Actually, it is a word often used in the context of information transfer and cultural evolution, among other fields. The reason people use it is that it refers to something specific that would be cumbersome to define everytime it was needed.

I never have, nor will I ever question Sen. McCain’s wartime service to this country. Unlike millions of repigs who DID question Sen. Kerry’s outstanding wartime service to this country. We, unlike them, do not want to swiftboat Sen. McCain. What Gen. Clark said was nothing close, can’t be compared to what was said about Sen. Kerry in 2004.

Two questions: How many presidents of the US were POWs? By my count, that would be 0. And who the fuck is Ben Furgusen to talk about experience? The only experience he has is popping pimples and sitting on hist pasty white ass.

We need to hit these people, hard and often. Do not get caught up in their spin games. Start new attacks right now and make them about personality, fitness to serve and flip-flopping. Stay on message and don’t let anyone back you up. That was the mistake Kerry made, he wasn’t vicious enough and didn’t stay on message.

The people need to know the truth about McCrazy’s military service. We’re entitled to the facts. Bush had it all when he blackmailed McCrazy into irrelevancy during the primaries of 2000. We know for fact that McCrazy graduated in the lowest 1% of his class at Annapolis. We know that he had several infractions then against the military code of conduct for cadets which his pappy, The Admiral of the Navy, had “fixed”. We also know about his lack of personal judgment in the tragedy aboard his boat, the SS Forestal. More people need to know how many men died due to his obstinacy and insistence on mounting the wrong size missile for the gun tub. So, let’s get into the real “meat” of McCrazy’s military career.

And when we’ve finished we can shortcut to his exit interview with the military shrink who forbid him to ever fly again (after wrecking 4 planes) whose advice he promptly defied and, as predicted, crashed plane #5.

This suggests a very arrogant, egomaniacal thread which courses through this man. He’s also very sick with Stage 3 Invasive Melanoma from which there is no recovery. It’s just a simple of matter of time for him with this disease.

And then there’s the very suspicious nature of his relationship with lobbyist, Vicky Iseman whose very mysterious disappearance from the political landscape brings much darkness and suspicion to McCain’s campaign.

Is he a womanizer who had his present wife as his mistress while still married to the first wife? Did he continue his whoremongering activities until quite recently with Iseman? Inquiring minds need to know these material facts which stack up to present a true picture of the man himself.

So let’s get to the real facts on Grandpappy McNutbag - and soon.

“Wesley Clark was sitting around in an air conditioned room while John McCain was getting shot down”
—Ben Furgeson

This is what Capt. Wes Clark was doing while John McCain was getting shot out of the sky:

CLARK, WESLEY K.
Citation:
The President of the United States takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star Medal to Wesley K. Clark, Captain (Armor), U.S. Army, for gallantry in action while engaged in military oper