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The more things change…

In 2005, George W. Bush hosted a town-hall meeting in Denver, at which three law-abiding, ticket-holding Americans were removed from a public event because officials didn’t like the bumper sticker on their car.

Three years later, John McCain hosted a town-hall meeting in Denver, and a law-abiding American was removed from a public event because officials didn’t like her homemade sign.

The woman who was ticketed for her innocuous sign, Carol Kreck, a 61-year-old librarian, asks a reasonable question: why would a Republican campaign find a “McCain=Bush” sign so offensive?




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1
Col Kilgore Says:

Keep enjoying those freedoms folks.

2
Pete Says:

Nazis one and all. Hitler would have envied the crowd control

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right on! Says:

Excellent question, Carol. What’s the answer?

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Edwin Hussein Says:

These days isn’t everyone offended by anything with the bu$h name on it? Yup, even the cheerleaders.

5
oZer Says:

methinks they didn’t think their plan all the way through. looked kind of silly, eh?
I live in the Twin Cities and now plan to carry a McCain = Bush sign at the protests at the RNC.
Thanks Carol!

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E_I Says:

McCain better not **** with us librarians.

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earl Says:

Wow.
Land of the free.
And her sign might as well have said: 2+2=4

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Saint Augustine Says:

They can’t take these “signs” away:

http://www.geocities.com/trixumbia/mooning.jpg

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☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ Says:

This holds true as much today as it did in WWII.
“When even one American — who has done nothing wrong — is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril.” HST

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earl Says:

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 8:

This holds true as much today as it did in WWII.
“When even one American — who has done nothing wrong — is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril.” HST

Hunter S. Thompson said that? :)

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☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ Says:

earl @ 9:

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 8:

This holds true as much today as it did in WWII.
“When even one American — who has done nothing wrong — is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril.” HST

Hunter S. Thompson said that? :)

Harry Truman

And the inept reich-wing media is silent because it doesn’t make Obama look bad.

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Terry B. Says:

If the McCain people are afraid of a 61 year old librarian, how are they going to protect the country from terror? This is a mad house, a madhouse! Shameless!

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earl Says:

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 10:

earl @ 9:

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 8:

This holds true as much today as it did in WWII.
“When even one American — who has done nothing wrong — is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril.” HST

Hunter S. Thompson said that? :)

Harry Truman

Too early for jokes, solly.

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earl Says:

earl @ 13:

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 10:

earl @ 9:

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 8:

Hunter S. Thompson said that? :)

Harry Truman

Too early for jokes, solly.

Sadly, its very prophetic ….

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☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ Says:

The American Cover-Up, the move to silence Whistle-Blowers who know about Why FISA is being sidestepped.

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☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ Says:

earl @ 13:

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 10:

earl @ 9:

☻..Bangkok Bob..☻ @ 8:
Hunter would have added a few expletives.

Hunter S. Thompson said that? :)

Harry Truman

Too early for jokes, solly.

18
Seriously Says:

Ok, I think this is ridiculous like everyone else, but I’ll play devil’s advocate for a bit - is it possible that NO signs were allowed at this rally? I mean none whatsoever? Just want to make sure before I start passing this along.

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right on! Says:

Terry B. @ 12:

If the McCain people are afraid of a 61 year old librarian, how are they going to protect the country from terror? This is a mad house, a madhouse! Shameless!

You said it!

20
Jesusturnedwaterboardingintowhine Says:

Rove is censoring Pelosi. What has he got on her? Time to find out crooksandliars.

21
grizmusic in PA Says:

Land of the Free? I can’t understand why she was given a ticket. What was that cop thinking? We obviously live in a fascist state. America is dead. And it dies without a whimper.

22
Dr. Know Says:

Because the BushCo industry has no tolerance for truth of any kind.

23
rekroc Says:

Dog bless the USA!

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displaced Says:

What it doesn’t mention was how her house was burned to the ground by Rove’s brownshirts shortly thereafter.

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Kathy Says:

Words fail me. Also, what happened to the guy behind her, in the Peas in a Pod costume? Was he also removed?

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no, seriously Says:

Got Fascism ?

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Tom M Says:

McCain = Bush love it, live it, get used to it.

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Sigh Says:

While we all bash the McCain camp for this, let’s not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs.

29
CafeenMan Says:

“Ma’am? I understand you don’t like me. But I want you to stay because I want at least one oppurtunity to tell you why you should like me. Are you willing to give me a chance and listen to me?”

What you don’t say is, “The other guy would have you thrown out.” Because if you do say that it sounds like you rehearsed this so you don’t want to say it in any way that doesn’t sound perfectly natural. She might still not vote for you but anyone witnessing it will be impressed - and that includes people on the fence.

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CafeenMan Says:

Sigh @ 26:

While we all bash the McCain camp for this, let’s not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs.

That whole thing was a setup from the beginning. It was designed to be a lose-lose for Obama. If he leaves the women there then Fox says, “Muslims Standing with Obama? What is His connection?”

And we saw what happened with the other option. “Obama had Muslims removed.”

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BIGBONEDED Says:

Republicans , there has never a larger , more gutless group of cowards in our country’s history and they prove it virtually every day.

32
marko Says:

were fooked

proper fooked

but there is an alternative….

33
Maldoror Says:

I hope 2000 people show up at her court date to support her.

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Sigh Says:

While we all bash the McCain camp for this, let’s not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs.

That whole thing was a setup from the beginning. It was designed to be a lose-lose for Obama. If he leaves the women there then Fox says, “Muslims Standing with Obama? What is His connection?”

And we saw what happened with the other option. “Obama had Muslims removed.”

So he doesn’t have the spine to stand up to FOX News and say, yeah, so what, I respect people of all faiths? Don;t get me wrong, I’m going to vote for him but his sudden rush to be all things to everyone is a little disconcerting.

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Dr. Know Says:

[26]…let’s not forget that Obama removed Muslims from behind him so they would not show up in photographs

Moved, not removed. And in today’s political climate, combined with the smears of “secret Muslim Islamofascists who want to destroy our freedoms”, can you blame his handlers for doing so? It is an unfortunate PR requirement. Remember, most Americans are deficient in critical thinking skills — our Overlords think it’s best.

OT: Mideast Nuclear Saber Rattling - Gearing Up to Bomb Iran

36
marko Says:

I called McCain’s office and I told the guy that answers the phone what happened and he laughed, not like “oh that’s funny” laugh,

more like a “omg what has he said or done now” laugh. Call him!!

37
ranch111 Says:

That’s Democracy on the March. The cops should have tased her.

When the presidential debates are held, if Obama says that McCain will equal four more years of bush, will Obama be taken out of the debate?

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kablooie Says:

Too bad the local police do not have the cojones of a 61-year-old librarian. God bless you Carol!!!

40
Sachem Says:

Legal action needs to be taken against the police. There must be sanctions, financial or otherwise to bring this unlawful enforcement to an end.

What it truly frightening is that this is the same secret service that is protecting Barack.

41
uk visa Says:

Berlin circa 1939.

42
Radically Moderate Says:

Look at it this way, if she had gotten into the event and held up her sign the wingnuts would have beaten the crap out of the diminutive,thoughtful, kind,public servant, because, frankly, she is not one of them.

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MountainMan23 Says:

McCain = Bush

.. and they just proved it .. again ..

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earl Says:

So … municipally funded, on duty, in uniform police officers are providing security detail for a R. Pres. candidate?
Isnt the convention coming up soon? Good luck with that.

45
Charles Says:

Welcome to W’s Amurika. Land of the enslaved, home of the brainwashed.

It’s only trespassing if you don’t do what we want.

“We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. You will assimilate.”

I saw this story on Fox News……NOT!

46
earl Says:

Ticketed for holding a sign by in uniform, on duty police …

The Convention? good luck with that.

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Charles Says:

Welcome to W’s Amurika. Home of the enslaved. Land of the brainwashed.

It’s only trespassing if you don’t do what we want.

“We are the Borg. Resistance is futile. You will assimilate.”

I saw this story on Fox News….NOT!

48
edgarallenpoe Says:

The charge of trespassing is used to control thought crime. Only those who reveal that they harbor negative thoughts about the candidate are trespassing, while everyone else is not.

49
JerryO Says:

Yes, like so many of our freedoms provided by that ‘quaint’ little document known as The Constitution, free speech is just so much window dressing. Cheney and Bush must be beaming with pride…their little clone has learned well.

50
Thomas Paine Rides Again Says:

Remember, remember
In early November
The NeoCon treason & plot.
I know of no reason
Why the NeoCon treason
Should ever be forgot!

TPRA

In a way it’s kind of funny that having bush’s name on a sign is offensive to the right. Man, you know you’re in the crapper when your name offends your own party.

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MountainMan23 Says:

Protester’s McCain sign nets date with a judge
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_9812206

A 60-year-old librarian received a trespassing ticket Monday after a liberal group’s protest outside John McCain’s town-hall meeting.

Clutching a sign that read “McCain = Bush,” Carol Kreck was removed from the atrium of the Denver Performing Arts Complex by four Denver police officers.

Kreck — a former Denver Post reporter who works part time as a librarian for an education think tank — said she was removed as she quizzed a police officer about whether he could deny her free-speech rights “on city property” by taking away her sign, while McCain supporters wore buttons inside.

Jenny Schiavone, a spokeswoman for the performing arts center, said the venue is city-owned rental property but is not legally defined as public property.
The liberal group ProgressNowAction had called the center before the event and asked about being inside the atrium, she said. The group was told it would have to rent space or use previously designated protest areas along the street, Schiavone said.

Detective John White, a spokesman for the Denver Police Department, said officers acted as they would have for any complaint on private property.

“Our officers received a signed complaint from a security guard at a private event and acted accordingly,” he said.

Tom Kise, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said that he did not know about Kreck’s ouster but that the town-hall-style meeting was open to supporters and opponents.

“All the campaign asked for is a respectful dialogue,” Kise said.

“What’s disrespectful about pointing out that attendees voted for Bush and would be voting for McCain?” Kreck said of her sign.

bold is mine ..

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Clemdog Says:

Seriously @ 16:

Ok, I think this is ridiculous like everyone else, but I’ll play devil’s advocate for a bit - is it possible that NO signs were allowed at this rally? I mean none whatsoever? Just want to make sure before I start passing this along.

Appreciate your choice of wording as “devil’s advocate”, but NO signs “allowed”?!? America has become unrecognizable to me when it’s citizens accept NO signs allowed in peaceable protest or support at political events held in public arenas. Of course, the devil in this case, being the sinister and vile neocons and their recent adoptee, McSame. Seriously, Seriously, please don’t be their advocate.

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MountainMan23 Says:

Meanwhile, on the other side of the World ..

U.S. issues “insulting” Berlusconi biography
http://www.reuters.com/article.....7020080708

G8 summit: George W Bush apologises for Silvio Berlusconi blunder
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new.....under.html

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Abby Norml Says:
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Dale Says:

Maybe she was too young to attend the rally.

I understand why people get upset about things like this, but i think we should put thin