Open Thread
By bluegal Friday Jul 11, 2008 10:30pm
h/t Geoff. A five-minute speech worth remembering. In 1992, Twelve-year-old Severn Suzuki and her friends raised money to go to Rio de Janiero for the UN Summit on the Environment. She was given the stage and...wow.
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This was an awe-inspiring speech she gave! Truly moving! If only the adults she was pleading with were even half listening.
Here's a hopeful segment from an organic bio-dynamic farm that feeds 75+ families as part of their local CSA (community supported agriculture program), that's also affiliated with their local Waldorf school!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhJg_0ouUTM
There is a brighter future for our planet, if we can only listen to the children and take care of our mother...mother Earth!
I sent this out to my mailing list teo weeks ago.
wonderful from a child.
two, not teo
Britain's Brown tells families to stop wasting food to help calm price rises
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/07/europe/EU-Britain-Food.php
Our grandparents were the real greens
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/...
UK braced for US banking backlash
The British economy is braced for further turbulence this week as the fallout from the second largest bank failure in US history spreads across the Atlantic. Last week’s extraordinary decision by the US Federal Reserve to take over the Californian bank, Indymac, comes as the Bush administration attempts to quash speculation that America’s two largest mortgage lenders, Fannie May and Freddie Mac, also face nationalisation.
Asked if he thought the crisis had reached its zenith, Smith said: ‘We are nearer the beginning than the end. I’m afraid there is going to be more pain - quite a lot, actually.’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/jul/13/banking.creditcrunch
now the airline industry says it's speculation i've been following this for months the dramatic/accelerated price increase is speculation.......not supply/demand although supply is on the edge..refineries are at capacity....i don't buy the off shore politicization...not currently
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69257
Our world needs more Severn Suzuki's!!!
constituent @ 6:
Many of the refineries are shut down.
Has no one told her it don't mater? The rapture is coming!
(End of sarcasm.)
She's the daughter of famed Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki who had a long career as host of CBCs The Nature of Things, and founded the Suzuki Foundation to bring environmental issues to the forefront.
He has been honoured with the highest awards in this country and has done much to bring the science of issues like Climate Change into living rooms across the world.
She would be 28 years old now - and if she has the same fire in her heart as her father does, Canadians will soon have another environmental hero to bestow our highest honours, and ignore completely.
We should all be ashamed that those adults that listened to that speech did not have the respect to stand and give that girl a standing ovation!
I remember that speech from when she gave it. It was as inspiring then as it is now. Greed always takes over when common sense is at hand.
Ron @ 8:
i've heard that might be a strategy.....this is the financial institutions recouping losses i've heard refineries find excuses to be closed.....morgan stanley probably owns more oil futures than any oil company...this opinion is shared by many including saudi king and their financial people.....the markets are manipulated as many of us know...airline industry is all about buying fuel for the future at today's cost...they know it's speculation and i would like to see it exposed more....the banks/fed reserve rule
We elected Al Gore. The Supreme Court, Media, and Election Machines gave us George W. Bush. Imagine the policy direction difference in the areas of environmentalism and energy.
constituent @ 13:
World Bank, IMF and the Federal reserve. The rich can't leave well enough alone, they want more power and control.
Believe It or Not: Pakistan's top diplomat said Saturday there are no U.S. or other foreign military personnel on the hunt for Osama bin Laden in his nation, and none will be allowed in to search for the al-Qaida leader. 7/13
Ron @ 15:
when you're a serf, they'll stop. unless they need you to go kill someone else's serfs.
anybody who might be discounting bush's involvement in this election would do well to remember karl rove's words on august 13, 2007:
MR. ROVE: Well, but look, every President plays a -- even if they're not running again, plays a big role in shaping the nature of the debate, the policy debate, which in turn has a big impact on politics. And you can bet, being as competitive as he is, that he's going to use every lever he's got command over, every power that he controls to continue to drive the policy debate right up to noon on January 20, 2009.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2007_August_13/ai_n273418...
hey ron!
you got an all-dude thing going here?
where's the ladies?
I always count on you.
whatever you got, I want to borrow some.
karen marie @ 18:
and beyond....
I must know what she's doing today.
Orangutan. @ 14:
i don't believe there would have been a tax break for owning a suv....no doubt we would be 7-8 yrs. ahead.
GM might be 8 yrs. into EV auto technology....of course there other areas that gore would have addressed...some people don't understand why he was awarded the nobel peace prize for those who don't know they will soon find out when more wars break out over resources...and the changing topography due to climate/ accelerated man made changes..china's middle class will introduce approximately 25,000 new vehicles to the road everyday....about 40% of california's air pollution comes china via wind currents
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 17:
There is always someone who will do their bidding so they will have a leg up and rise above the serfs. I thought it asinine tonight that CNN had a special tonight on the military contractors that were released by the FARC. CNN was labeling these guys as heroes. How does a hostage or POW become a hero? It's possible that these guys may have been responsible for the deaths of some of the union organizers in Colombia. They didn't do anything heroic. MSM will do anything for a story.
Sadly, the people she's speaking to have little power to change things. She should be speaking to the wealthiest reptiles in the top industries of the world who get their power from our (consumer) dollars.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 19:
Hey, I always welcome their company, but they come here on their own.
"If you don't know how to fix it. Quit breaking it."
Suzuki-chan,
At age 12, you were more mature than 80% of the people I work with. I really hope that as you approach your 30s, you haven't been swayed or jaded. You were one damn smart little girl.
how much better a president she would have made over the
last eight years than our joke of a brainless buffoon!
bless you severn! hope you're out there keeping up the
good work, still!
Ron @ 25:
It might be my cologne, ALO MON URE
Wow, Severn Suzuki is an amazing young lady and what an awe-inspiring speech that was. Articulate, passionate and unafraid. Very moving.
David Suzuki and his wife must be so proud of their daughter. We need a lot more like her.
karen marie @ 18:
no Discount here.. bush and the people behind him are very much involved in this....mccain is a continuation of the grand scheme permanent bases in iraq and afghanastan....encircling china...taking the oil
the elites are setting it up so we the people can't stop anything...i hope that obama can stop this NEOCON movement...they basically own the media....that's why when they gaffe/flip it's no big deal that concerns me personally....they have turned us into sheep they stole both elections and they might do it again.
CoIntelPro for Pronktastic Victory Over SCLM, DIEBOLD, ESS and SEQUOIA! @ 16:
I hope everyone knows the truth about Bin Laden and 9/11. Hopefully that puzzle has been put together by now. The years since have been very revealing.
emptywheel (http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/07/10/bush-did-not-invoke-executi...) has the best analysis on this episode.
as i was reading the emptywheel post, i was working the framing off a particular sentence to get to the essence (EW sentence: "Rove's official duties included witch hunts against Democrats"; translation: " ...included contact with the justice department regarding ongoing prosecutions"), which took me a couple shots -- one to realize that there was framing, then a second to work it out -- but which slowed me down to think, well, just what WERE rove's job duties. i never paid attention to his title or duties because, frankly, does it matter what you call him? unless you're calling him to answer for his crimes? actually, i hadn't paid attention because i knew he was a political advisor but i clearly made a wildly inaccurate assumption that his duties did NOT include setting policy. just what the fuck does bush do all day?
anyway, i looked at what was in wikipedia, got nothing there, then googled "karl rove job responsibilities senior advisor to the president" and got some interesting results, the first of which is the transcript of the press gaggle on 4/19/06 where, among other things, scott mcclellan explains rove's job responsibilities, and talks about his own resignation. i'm giving you here the pertinent clip and a link to the page (it's from a "sun times" blog):
Q Can you clarify what Karl Rove's role will be?
MR. McCLELLAN: Karl will continue to be Deputy Chief of Staff and Senior Advisor to the President. What this will do is it will allow him to focus more on the larger strategic planning, and Joel will focus on the day-to-day management of the policy process. And so this really frees Karl up to focus on bigger strategic issues. He will continue to be a crucial voice and trusted advisor on policy -- Karl will, that is -- as he has been since the beginning of this administration.
Q So he will have less a policy role than he had before?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, Joel will do the day-to-day management of the policy process and work closely with all those councils. Karl's voice will continue to be a crucial one in the policy process as it has been all along. But like I said, this is a critical and challenging time that we are in, and this really frees Karl up to focus on larger strategic issues.
Q Can you talk a little bit more about how your resignation came about today? Was this something that you wanted to do, or did you feel pressured?
MR. McCLELLAN: Well, I started thinking about this over -- more seriously over the last few weeks. And with the new Chief of Staff coming on board, it was a good time to make this decision. Three years would have been an awfully long time in this position. I've been at this for a long time. I didn't need much encouragement to make this decision, even though you all kept tempting me.
Q Is it bittersweet? Is your announcement --
MR. McCLELLAN: No, not at all. The President and I had a very good discussion about this earlier this week, and I'm looking forward to a new chapter in my life. I've been very honored to be a part of this team, and to serve the President.
Q What are your plans now?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm just beginning to think about it. When you're in this position, you don't have time to really think about what's next. This is a position where you really have to focus on the here and now. I'll be thinking about that, but I also am going to remain fully focused on the job for the remainder of the time that I am here at the White House. I expect to be here for another two to three weeks; the process of -- I want to be helpful in the process of finding a new press secretary.
Q How is that process going? Is there a short list? Do you expect it to be fast?
MR. McCLELLAN: I'm not going to get into speculating about it. But I'll certainly be helpful in the transition and helpful in identifying someone who will serve the President well.
end of clip from
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/04/mcclellan_he_tries_to_explain.html
this next clip is from a washington post story dated 2/9/05, fourteen months earlier:
During President Bush's first term, outsiders often suspected that Karl Rove was really behind virtually everything. Now it's official. Rove, the political mastermind behind two presidential elections, yesterday was named White House deputy chief of staff in charge of coordinating domestic policy, economic policy, national security and homeland security
For a man who spent a lifetime in the business of polls and campaign strategy, it is an expansive portfolio cutting across virtually the entire policy spectrum. But many in the White House said the new position largely formalizes what was already true, noting that Rove has quietly played a vital role in shaping domestic policy from the inception of the Bush presidency. Now, for the first time, he will have a formal hand in foreign policy as well.
The shifting responsibilities reflected a broader retrofit of the White House that Bush largely completed yesterday as he retooled his staff to focus on his ambitious second-term agenda of restructuring Social Security, rewriting the tax code and spreading democracy around the world. With no more elections in his future, Bush moved his key strategist into a new more simplified chain of command focused on legislative markups rather than electoral college math, while also shuffling other top jobs in the West Wing.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9308-2005Feb8.html
the last thing i've had the stomach to open and look at, briefly, is a roundable with the press that rove did on air force one in august of 2007 after he had announced he was leaving the white house where he reminds us that bush is "going to use every lever he's got command over, every power that he controls to continue to drive the policy debate right up to noon on January 20, 2009."
i think he meant "drive the policy debate right off the edge of the cliff."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2007_August_13/ai_n273418...
i find it useful to review contemporaneous records when things pop up in order to properly judge current framing and/or spin on a subject. it was definitely a worthwhile exercise in this case.
nycbassist @ 21 -
Ms. Cullis-Suzuki is still very cool.
Severn Cullis-Suzuki
FISA ‘compromise’ completes transformation of US into full police state..
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_3482.shtml
We need Patriots to commit 24/7 to exposing these guys and getting our country back.
All these environmental problems are much worse now than they were when she made this speech. That is because . . . let's face it . . . people are shit.
Homo sapiens has proven itself to be a worthless, murderous shit species. There are far too many of us, multiplying like cockroaches, building filthy cities, fouling continents and oceans with our poisonous waste, infesting this planet with our noxious presence. We are no good. We must go.
We must, however, eliminate ourselves without causing suffering to ourselves or to each other. Otherwise we will only be multiplying the evil that we've already done. Our aim must be to alleviate suffering, not increase it.
We must stop reproducing - now. Let us give this planet back to the other species that we have been tormenting, murdering, and eating for so many millennia. None of them will be sad to see us go. Let the fish, dolphins, and whales repopulate the oceans - let the forests and jungles rise again.
Earth could be such a beautiful place, if only there were no people in it.
One of the nicest people I have ever met and listened to in my life died today much too early in life from that dreaded cancer.
Bobby Murcer died at 63 years old, a big leaguer when he was just 19-years old and went on to play 17 years in the majors. He worked as broadcaster with the Yanks for over two decades.
A great guy - on and off the field - and a real genuine fellow.
HE will be missed.
and thank you very much, c&l, for severn suzuki's words.
after i posted my previous comment i stood up to shut the show down for the night and thought "what the heck, we can listen while we clean up."
i did no cleaning up while she spoke. the truth deserves respect and attention.
please re-post it again. perhaps once a month have a "severn suzuki 1992" open thread. i don't think her words can be repeated often or loud enough.
bayville @ 36:
I hope he gets more attention than Tony Snow. Not trying to be crude or rude.
The Sunday Times reports Stephen Payne, a Bush pioneer and a political appointee to the Homeland Security Advisory Council, was caught on tape offering access to key members of the Bush administration inner circle in exchange for “six-figure donations to the private library being set up to commemorate Bush’s presidency.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/12/bush-library-donation-scandal/
The demand could hardly be more intense. Iraq contains perhaps the second-largest oil reserves in the world, which are, furthermore, very cheap to extract: no permafrost or tar sands or deep-sea drilling. For U.S. planners, it is imperative that Iraq remain under U.S. control, to the extent possible, as an obedient client state that will also house major U.S. military bases, right at the heart of the world's major energy reserves.
constituent @ 40:
The latest reports say the oil companies will retain 75% of the profits. Sounds like theft to me.
Expect more FUBAR to come in the next few weeks.
It's going to be a bumpy ride.
China hearts Mugabe. Obama says we're in a recession
and thinks kicking out Russia from the G8 is dumb. Clinton is the pot calling the kettle black. Bush blames Congress for his failed domestic policy.
Ron @ 41:
The demand could hardly be more intense. Iraq contains perhaps the second-largest oil reserves in the world, which are, furthermore, very cheap to extract: no permafrost or tar sands or deep-sea drilling. For U.S. planners, it is imperative that Iraq remain under U.S. control, to the extent possible, as an obedient client state that will also house major U.S. military bases, right at the heart of the world's major energy reserves.
there is a lot of criticism towards the legislative branch which a paper thin majority..people don't understand what the congress/senate is up against with this executive branch..secrecy,cheating,veto,signing statements,propaganda,politicization...the people aren't heard.
The declaration also had a remarkably brazen statement about exploiting the resources of Iraq. It said that the economy of Iraq -- which means its oil resources -- must be open to foreign investment, "especially American investments." That comes close to a pronouncement that we invaded you so that we can control your country and have privileged access to your resources.
The seriousness of this commitment was underscored in January, when Bush issued a "signing statement" declaring that he would reject any congressional legislation that restricted funding "to establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq" or "to exercise United States control of the oil resources of Iraq."
Extensive resort to "signing statements" to expand executive power is yet another Bush innovation, condemned by the American Bar Association as "contrary to the rule of law and our constitutional separation of powers."
People who live in glass houses shouldn't need loans, but still need to save for a rainy day, maybe...
Great new solar tech to dye for coming soon.
constituent @ 44:
What, did you mistakenly paste the wrong blurb in there, or are you trying to catapult the propaganda with mindless repetition?
sounds promising :)
Anonymous Hussein @ 47:
You got a problem?
Ron @ 41:
year or two ago it was reported at 20% which was dopuble normal profit sharing schemes for foreign companies and local governments,
now 75% ouchy, definitely grand theft oil
Tequila @ 43:
lets get drunk
This is difficult to say , but for personal reasons I must. I want to give out my condolences to the Snow family. May he rest in peace.
Left&Left @ 52:
We can have some empathy for the families of the likes of Russert and Snow, but not for their complicity of spreading of the lies they went along with.
Why was there no C&L post for Tony Snow?
Stronger than the impact of dollar depreciation on the price of oil has been the impact of manipulative speculation: war and political instability have served as breeding grounds for hoarding and speculation in energy futures markets. According to F. William Engdahl, a top expert on energy and financial markets, “As much as 60% of today’s crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds. It has nothing to do with the convenient myths of Peak Oil. It has to do with control of oil and its price. . . . Since the advent of oil futures trading and the two major London and New York oil futures contracts, control of oil prices has left OPEC and gone to Wall Street. It is a classic case of the tail that wags the dog.”[6]
adam @ 54:
we outsourced it to somebody who cared
GNA, have a good life.
Ron @ 57:
have a good one ron
Was the manipulation of the California energy market years ago a test for what's happening today?
ferrofluid (Obama 08) @ 56:
Just for a little obvious perspective...
Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels(October 29, 1897 – May 1, 1945)
Joseph Raymond McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957)
Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
Mark Levin
Laura Ingraham
Neal Boortz
Michael Savage
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn Beck
Hugh Hewitt
Dennis Prager
Michael Medved
Rupert Murdoch
Robert Anthony Snow (June 1, 1955 – July 12, 2008)
So sad....
They died too too late to prevent the suffering and deaths of millions that they facilitated.
Amazing how the public gets manipulated into war based on lies with a biased press first with Iraq, now it's deja vu with Iran. These neocons obsession with power is evil and relentless. Fool us once shame on you, fool us twice shame on us. Hopefully we can't get fooled again.
John Tighe @ 59:
Yes. The Enron Loophole is a piece of legislation these mugs love.
Voter registrations in Florida show 'huge swing' toward Democrats
China 'is fuelling war in Darfur'
on a complete different subject, to distract your pretty little minds ...
i WAS heading for bed and got sucked into reading "just one more thing" (a post about durbin sending a letter to the chairman of the FCC because he's just so darned concerned about the so-called digital television transition - http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/07/durbin_sounds_consumer_alarm_o.h...) and i wound up finally writing my rant about the subject which i posted there and sent to senator durbin through his senate website and figured i'd post it here for some late night entertainment.
enjoy.
i have every intention of "going black" in february 2009.
as far as i am concerned, the television industry and the government can go stuff themselves.
i certainly understand that this change is not simply occurring so that we can all get "a better picture," but has something to do with transmission frequencies that the government wants/needs and that the change tightens the range of television broadcast transmissions.
that being said, the implementation is outrageously unfair to individuals.
i bought a new television set (27" color) in september 2005 when the picture tube in my 10-year-old television set failed. in december 2005 "the senate approve[d] the Budget Reconciliation conference report which included the Digital Transition title." (http://www.commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressReleases...).
right there we have a problem.
the television i bought in 2005 SHOULD have been perfectly swell until AT LEAST 2015, given that i have never had a television fail sooner than ten years.
the federal government, as the great unwashed have long come to expect, concerned itself with its needs and wants, corporate needs and wants but not so much with the needs, much less the wants, of the public who, oh, just so unimportantly, happen to own the airwaves through which those television transmissions pass.
the united states congress voted in 2005 to turn my 2005 purchase into garbage, as of february 2009. because the hardware necessary did not come standard on the average, or even many, television sets in 2005.
now, obviously the most sensible thing would have been to put the transition date farther out in an effort to mitigate the financial hardship of replacing that many television sets (not to mention the landfill/disposal/environmental issues this mess will inevitably create). certainly an add-on box is a somewhat reasonable solution, but requiring me to pay any amount of money for a box which has no life-time guarantee no matter what over the life of the television for which it is needed is completely outrageous.
big deal, i get a coupon to for a discount on the box. now i have to balance a box on top of my television set. i thought i got rid of that unsightly problem when i cancelled my cable service in 2004.
i don't have anywhere near a guarantee that's worth spit that the box will work for any length of time, certainly not ten years, not five. but regardless of the length of time, a broken box means no television. unless one buys another box, because even if you attempt to get the box repaired that takes time, likely weeks, possibly months.
so one buys another box. will that box be subsidized? how about if the box breaks six years from now? will the box still be subsidized?
and even if you just ignore the issue of the longevity issues of boxes, you're having to attach an additional piece of hardware to your television. it uses electricity. granted, not a lot of electricity but at a time when i am paring down every "excess" expense i can in order to meet accelerating costs (including keeping my house at 62 degrees this past winter; i don't know how i'm going to cut back on heat further next winter but i'll have to because the unit cost is going to be at least 50% higher, more likely double) what was once "just pennies a month," added to all the other things that are "just pennies a month" that you cannot unplug like an alarm clock, telephone, stove or refrigerator, it starts to become significant.
i personally watch broadcast television because given the extraordinarily poor quality of television news, at least with broadcast i get my money's worth -- it's free, whereas cable or satellite is $50/month, which i couldn't afford even if the state of journalism was wildly better.
i could solve the problem of having to deal with a box by paying $50/month for cable or satellite service but, doing the math, it's cheaper to buy a new television set (2009-2015 = 6 yrs = 72 months x $50 = $3600; cost of new television: $400-$500). but the problem with that solution is that i do not have now and likely will not have by or before february 2009 the $400-$500 to buy a new television. and i know i'm not going to have an "extra" $3600 during the 2009-2015 expected life of my current television to pay for cable/satellite service, and the costs will only increase every month the set lasts.
so, when you think about it, this is an unfunded mandate which has been forced on every single household in this country.
personally, i'm so irritated by the entire circle jerk of government and the television industry -- the "transition" is, really, the least of their transgressions, together and separately -- that i'm actually relieved in a way that opportunities to have my intelligence assaulted will be greatly reduced by simply having no working television in my home.
don't underestimate a lot of other people sharing my opinion. i don't know about everywhere, but there have been public service announcements about the transition, ad nauseam, each one affecting me like fingernails on a chalk board, each one another reminder of how incompetent our government and mendacious the business interests really are.
if congress had accepted responsibility for the short time line, or made it much longer to allow saturation of the appropriate technology before the transition, and set aside funds it is wasting on printing 17 million coupons for the estimated 2 million households who rely solely on over-the-air-broadcast, 1.7 million of which have already expired, over a year before the transition date, and which are now garbage (do the math on what that piece of brilliance cost the taxpayers) and "subsidizing" boxes, they could just give a box to each household that wants one. but that would have required that congress have considered the not insificant financial ramifications to the ultimate consumers of and, don't forget, owners of airwaves which the government charges broadcasters and others to use.
why am i being required to spend money to receive over-the-air-broadcast again? oh, that's right. because the government didn't think the impact on the public was a relevant consideration when they and the corporate interests were considering how best to serve themselves.
thanks, senator durbin, but it's a case of too little too late at this point to correct this so that it does not wind up costing the public even more money than the house and senate thought back in 2005, and we know how much thought they gave it -- again, not enough for it to have been a relevant consideration in the grand scheme.
Bush dumps global warming on the next President.
This was quite a while ago. She'd be about ... 28 now. I sure hope she's in politics somewhere.
Even though the war's over, we haven't picked up our leftover bombs in Japan.
Tony Snow is dead.
I mourn the Iraqi's who died because of his agenda.
Please don't ask me to mourn his death.
“We have sort of become a nation of whiners,” he said. “You just hear this constant whining, complaining about a loss of competitiveness, America in decline” despite a major export boom that is the primary reason that growth continues in the economy"--Phil Gramm
Phil Gramm always reminds me of a crewmen on the Titanic just before it went down.
holy crap! you people are going to have me up at daybreak!
posted above at #39:
eric Says: The Sunday Times reports Stephen Payne, a Bush pioneer and a political appointee to the Homeland Security Advisory Council, was caught on tape offering access to key members of the Bush administration inner circle in exchange for “six-figure donations to the private library being set up to commemorate Bush’s presidency.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/.....n-scandal/
i went to the link which takes you to a sunday times link which has the video. it is astonishing.
and guess who's in the gift basket along with cheney and condi rice? senator biden. still think he's vice presidential material?
karen marie@65 :
Excuse me! All of that because a TV set? What am I missing. Dump the damn thing. Jeeesus!
Biden sucks. He always has. He says one thing and votes another.
72 garcia Says: karen marie@65 :
Excuse me! All of that because a TV set? What am I missing. Dump the damn thing. Jeeesus!
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While i concur with your choice of options the fact remains that most tvs out there will be obsolete without a converter box which does not come cheap unless you have cable.
That is a lot of waste. Hi definition tvs are still very expensive.
I keep a tv around in the hopes of being able to watch the war crimes trials.
Too bad you have been struggling with Television Troubles km. I have had a digital television receiver for a few years, and in my area there is far more content, due to the fact more then one channel can be mapped to a designated number. For instance, the four PBS channels I would get on broadcast television pan out to 13 channels in the digital-HD concept.
Naturally, I keep my old television on the edge of the tub, so I can watch it while I bathe or shower, so I guess that one will need a converter box.
I hope the tv on the edge of your bathtub is nailed down good and tight.