Gustav On GOP's Horizon?
By Cernig Wednesday Aug 27, 2008 8:45amReuters is speculating that, three years after Katrina highlighted Bush's who-gives-a-f*** attitude towards his poorest "subjects" (he was presenting a birthday cake to McCain) and brought the Third World to America, Hurricane Gustav could bring all those memories back just in time for the GOP's convention.
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I guess that prayer for rain came a little late and a little off course.
I hope this thing fizzles. But it won't. Gustav does come at a time that is very odd though. GOP= disaster.
Evangelical Christians and "Pray for Rain of biblical proportions" at Invesco Field.
Looks like GOD has the last laugh on the right
Not even Rain but a Hurricane for the GOP
What do the so called Christians say now?
I sincerely hope and pray that no one else is hurt or killed by Gustav - but oh, wouldn't it be a neat little twist of fate if Gustav does strike during the GOP convention?
Isn't it the fundaMentalists who keep thinking hurricanes are god's judgment? Then maybe god is reminding people why we shouldn't vote republican.
Hope Gustav misses LA
Maybe God was confused about which convention he was supposed to send rain for. Here in Denver the forecast is for sunny skies.
Marc @ 5:
Poetic would be Gustav came right up the fuukin river and smacke the twin cities.,..
I think this is kinda fucked up...schadenfreude even....
Hurricanes are terrible forces of nature that should be wished on no one....using a storm that has already killed at least 22 people in Haiti alone, and who knows how many more if it hits the gulf coast as a political tool....I'm disgusted with C&L and Cernig for doin that.
We are better than that.
how about we take the high road and hope that the storm fizzles and becomes a non-issue for everyone.
I mean really....am I being too harsh or whatever here? I just think it's fucking despicable.
I truly hope Gustav doesn't cause a lot of devastation wherever it hits, but if, in fact, hurricanes are God's judgement (I personally don't beleive this), the timing is very telling. Alsok this close to the election, will the Bush administration suddenly be active and involved in helping the victims of Gustav, and will people be able to see through the political BS.
liberalNmoderation @ 8:
Yes, because wishing makes it so, huh? Sorry, no magical thinkers here, except maybe you.
Gustav has already killed over 20 people. :(
This is a killer Hurricane.
Gustav is going to explode when he hits warmer water in the Gulf. Reports are that the water temp is at least 85 degrees in the gulf.
Yeah, we need more offshore riggs in the gulf. /
oZer @ 9:
And it the storm doesn't fizzle you better hope there is a high road to take.
Bogie @ 12:
How exactly is that "magical" thinking Bogie? [It's magical, in that you made it up. An important part of the commenting policy is that you respect our contributors. Wacky, unfounded accusations like this can and will find you on the outside looking in. Cernig has addressed this downthread. I suggest you consider rethinking this poorly thought out post (#8) and consider apologizing to him and the site-Sitemonitor]
I hate hurricanes! But I have no control over the weather and for all we all know this thing could take an eastward turn and blow the shit out of south Florida. Having said that, I sure hope whoever it draws a bead on will be able to get the hell out of its way.
Okay, one thing this storm is going to do is suck the air out of the news for the next few days and probably into next week. It's hard for a convention to compete with weather damage news. When all those people were praying for rain, maybe they forgot to tell god where they wanted the rain to fall. He's trying to oblige them without GPS instructions.
So how soon after the storm makes landfall will McCain dispatch Cindy to the gulf coast to assess the humanitarian efforts?
liberalNmoderation @ 10:
I seriously doubt anyone here want the storm to hurt anyone.
Some of us are just pointing out how its timing directly highlights the failures of the neocons, and hoping people have learned from those terrible lessons.
The republican talking point three weeks ago was that Katrina came and went and nary a drop of oil was spilled. Now this reporter said "serious damage to underwater pipes and platforms".
Who is telling the truth? How can we drill if oil's gonna spill? :)
I hope the storm fizzles, but that the oil rig damage story grows legs. Especially if they can show repubs saying "no damage done", and show storm battered rigs in the background. "Nary a drop spilled" and maps of the oil spill floating.
Here in Denver the forecast is for sunny skies.
I guess the Jesus-addled wingnuts who have been praying for rain must have an outdated number for the man upstairs.
Marc @ 5:
The "Gustav" means "staff of God", btw.
The fundies would have a field day with that if it happened to hit a Gay Pride parade. Come to think of it - it doesn't actually need to happen. You can just make one up and say that it was 'scheduled', like McCain's buddy Hagee did.
whups.. the NAME "gustav" of course.. if you didn't follow.
Dr. Wu @ 19:
Why does God hate and humiliate Republicans so badly ?
Maybe He's saying ... "You dont speak for me !"
Alexdem @ 20:
HOw would Hagee have umm, known ?
I am pretty damned positive no one visiting this site wishes damage or pain on anyone as a result of this storm. But not one person here can do a damned thing to change the storm or its direction. We are simply talking about the coincidence of events, nothing more, nothing less. If this storm were heading directly toward my home, and as poorly as they predicted the path of tropical storm Fay, it eventually could be, I would feel the same way that I do now if there were an unusual coincidence surrounding it.
On a completely unrelated note, isn't it interesting how there is very little interest or excitement about McSame's VP pick, as compared to last week and Obama's pick?
Yeah, but if it does hit, even as a tropical storm, you can bet that the Bush Admin. will fall over themselves making a dramatic effort to send help / aid, with lots of heroic photo ops, thereby promoting the myth that Republicans are the only ones who can protect you.....
BobD @ 18:
50 billion gallons of crude oil flowing UP the Mississippi and right into Minneapolis/St Paul for a Monday night arrival.
Having been through many Typhoons and Hurricanes (depending on which side of the globe I'm on) I wouldn't wish one on anyone. But i do see the comedy here, Hagee and Falwell both made comments about their angry gods wrath etc etc. So I feel they open the door for us to feel some kind of amusement in that regard, but only for comment sake. I don't think anyone here actually wish's any harm on fellow humans.
alligatorpear @ 26:
It's all about the 35 Electoral Votes.
Fema and the rest had better be prepared! The levies are secure. Right? Hurricanes are inevitable. The Bush Administration is in charge of our security. Right? I truly hope that they have done, and will do it right this time.
Poor things. They are likely scrambling to find a lobbying firm to represent Gustav as we speak.
Hopefully, everyone will be safe this time.
pissed off patricia @ 24:
Ok...I didn't think so...I'm just feelin a little irritable this mornin.
Hey LibNMod, a little hung over this mornin? Lots of partyin been goin on this week. Especially last night.
me too.ouch.
Dr. Wu @ 19:
God moves in mysterious ways.
pissed off patricia @ 24:
No one here, yes. This is a liberal blog. Seems the pray-for-rain wingnuts are of a different opinion.
liberalNmoderation @ 32:
SAve it for when john picks joe.
Honestly, i don't wish this harm anyone.
but Katrina was a lesson that we should learn from.
GOP may love this country but blatant disrespect for the American People is outstanding
If Hurricane Gustav can remind us that we can do better for this country, that people today are still being left behind, that the government is not working for us and when a crisis comes along we need action.
It should not be political but when McCain says his pledge that “Never again will a disaster of this nature be handled in the disgraceful way it was handled”.
Americans need a reminder
The timing of this storm is almost enough to make me believe in divine intervention. It's a giant reminder to America of how the repugnacans have lead the the most incompetent administration in our nations history.
If wishing (or prayer) did any good, then I wish Gustav fizzles. That said, it will be interesting to see how the Repugnican government "handles" another disaster. Is the Louisiana National Guard still in Iraq or Afghanistan or Lower Bum**** Slobovia bringing "democracy" to people who could hardly care less?
Mick Piobr @ 39:
good point mick
liberalNmoderation @ 8:
I agree. We should never hope for rain of biblical proportions. That is truly an evil thing to hope for. At best we can hope it fizzle. It won't. I've been tracking this storm for over a day now. Let's just hope that those that can get out do, and those that can't get help quickly.
☻Bangkok Bob ☻ @ 40:
It pisses me off the our "National" Guard is off in other lands in the first place. Even the name implies they are for guarding OUR nation, not off fighting a war brought on by and inept, ignorant, oil hungry, profiteering couple of madmen (bush and cheney) in the whitehouse.
I have decided to use lower case on all referencing to the present whitehouse administration.
liberalNmoderation @ 8,
Where, exactly, do I wish this? I reported exactly what Reuters was saying, as a summary of their video and tied that to the facts of Bush's poor response on Katrina, just as Reuters does itself. No more. Gustav and its possible effect on the GOP convention is newsworthy - Politico has a piece on it today too - and thus worthy of blogging here. However, I was very careful in writing the lede to introduce the video that I didn't fall prey to any hint of "wishing this on the GOP". I strongly object to your insinuation that I did so.
Regards, C
Sharktattoo @ 25:
Yes! I also found it interesting how largely positive the reactions to the pick of Biden were.
The McSame pick, OTOH, is almost guaranteed to spark dissent and complaints. (just as the nomination of McCain did)
Who's the party with the unity problem now? (Actually, if you ignore the MSM's invented narrative, they've been the party with the unity problem all along, what with having to disown their own administration, despite some of them still defending it, and the religious right starting to question their loyalty, etc.)
So really, the GOP pick should be the more interesting one, really. It is to me, in a schadenfreude kind of way.
liberalNmoderation @ 10:
Your being too harsh or whatever is a matter of opinion. For me, I find it ironic that the republicans and their evangelical supporters called for rain during the DNC and it sounds like they, instead, will be getting the rain by way of a hurricane. None of us here on C&L, or Cernig, want anyone to be hurt... we just see the irony of it all. Perhaps it's too early in the day for your humor to kick in...
This is not something to wish for.
As a Mississippi resident who saw first-hand the destruction from Katrina, I'd rather see a McCain presidency than another disaster like that.
☻Bangkok Bob ☻ @ 40:
The Dems could perhaps hammer this point a little more on the last day they have to convince America that the Republicans are not working for their best interest.
two MORE storms on the heels of Gustav as well btw.
right on! @ 45:
Yeah...you're right...I do need more caffeine...guess I was a weee bit too cynical...or not cynical enough...
McCaint Remember @ 48:
Yeah I know....check the latest...
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mfl/tropical/
Karmic bitch-slap....
John J @ 3:
look like either god's or the evangelical's aim is a bit off...or perhaps god isn't a registered republican after all?
liberalNmoderation @ 15:
Wikipedia: "In anthropology, psychology, and cognitive science, magical thinking is nonscientific causal reasoning that often includes such ideas as the ability of the mind to affect the physical world, correlation equaling causation, the law of contagion, the power of symbols, and the meaningfulness of synchronicity."
Schadenfreude, yes. But "wishing" harm doesn't work in the real world.
This is like a real-life, badly written, Michael Crichton novel, inn't?
Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, who is slated to speak at the RNC on next Wednesday night, has said that if events demand it he will then cancel his speech. The GOP is all about self-preservation and if it does turn out to be a repeat of Katrina I highly doubt that they will allow themselves to be caught with their pants down, that's typically the purview of Democrats like Bill Clinton and John Edwards.
If anything, if this thing hits, we'll see the GOP bend over backwards to redeem themselves and prove to the world that they learned their lesson the last time, so, given that the American Public has the attention span of a gnat, this could work to their advantage.
If it does hit expect to see weeks of political grand-standing with both sides doing the rolling up their sleeves and getting to work imagery bit.
At least as long as the lights and cameras are on, anyways.
~Nyc
I bet nearly everyone in Florida with a computer has that link in their favorites.
liberalNmoderation @ 50:
That's why down here we call this Anxiety Season. Those cones of projected paths for storms are my own personal Anxiety Cones
Rusty "One House" Shackleford @ 46:
I don't get that anyone is wishing for this... it's just a reality, as POP has pointed out several times. And a McSame presidency would be one effin' huge disaster in my opinion.
Parallels and coincidences... Burmese learn from Bush about disaster management and Bush learns from the Burmese how to govern.
Seriously As a Louisiana resident (presently on the shores of Lake Victoria) I am afraid, for my friends, my brother, the dog and her friends and yes the boat and the house. It was a bitch cleaning up last time... Thank God (The Great Cloud Being) for the Hippies who unselfishly responded when the republicans wouldn't.
Peace
Run Barack Run!!!
Cui Bono?
liberalNmoderation @ 54:
Yep, I do.
pissed off patricia @ 55:
Hehehe....in the keys, everyone calls them the Cone of Death.
liberalNmoderation @ 49:
well whatever, enjoy your coffee!
liberalNmoderation @ 59:
YIKES!
TOP MCCAIN ADVISOR: THERE ARE NO UNINSURED AMERICANS
Would someone wake me when it's over?
You can't make this stuff up.
John Goodman, the architect of McMoron's healthcare "plan" had this to say today regarding the news that Texas leads the nation in the number of uninsured.
No health crisis in USA
right on! @ 60:
hehe..thanks. it is quite tasty...
liberalNmoderation @ 54:
The transplants do (me), the natives could care less.
If Gustav wrecks any oil rigs I think Obama should take up McCains offer and go visit one that is destroyed and make sure to have the oil spill as a backdrop
John J @ 37:
Again, we are hoping that the horrors of Katrina don't return, but hurricanes are inevitable and everyone knew that it would happen again, and will in the future. If the Bush admin. and FEMA are not prepared after all that has happened in the last few years then all the spinning in the world won't ever save them, since keeping America save is all they have left to talk about.
The annual big gay event is this weekend in New Orleans, Southern Decadence, the same event John McCain's pastor Hagee referenced when he blamed gay Americans for Katrina http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/23/hagee-katrina-mccain/.
Get ready for the Christo-fascists to start coming out of the woodwork again blaming Americans for tragedy!
Echoing the right wing evangelicals, it is God's way of punishing Republicans for their inhumanity!
I have lived in Florida since I was in the third grade. I lived in NY and Philly for a few years and then back to Fla. I was never in an area of Florida hit by a bad hurricane until we moved into this house and so far we have taken three direct hits in the last like four years. Maybe Bobby Jindal could come to my home and do an exorcism to get the hurricane magnet ghosts the hell out of here.
pissed off patricia @ 61:
Yeah..well the keys have been VERY lucky for a LONG time....we're waaaaay overdue for a Katrina level Hurricane...it's been 80-90 years since a really bad one has really hit the keys...we've had ALOT of near misses...Katrina rumbled by as Cat 1 hurricane...
Any disaster that plagues the poor, either by design or by natural forces, will only UNITE the republicans.
Another hurricane in New Orleans would only confirm their beliefs that god loves them best.
What I don't understand is why the Dems aren't hitting McCain and the GOP over the head with Katrina during the DNC. I'm not alone.
Here we are with the anniversary of the biggest man-made disaster in U.S. history looming (and dare I say Gustav looming too) and the Dems aren't raising holy hell over John McCain's record on the issue:
Gustav, eh? That's just wunderbar!
Still, the gops are gonna have a hell of a time burnin' down the reichstag in another pathetic attempt to justify their miserable existence if the joint is a fathom or two south of the Lower Ninth Ward.
They just can't catch a break no matter how hard the sclm tries to keep this alleged Obama-Clinton rift alive.
Gee, that's a shame. Life is so unfair to gop-slime.
No premature evacuating allowed
Floridiot @ 64:
Maybe some...but alot of natives I know make their living off the sea...and I guaran-damn-tee ya they got that link.
Fay cause quite a few lobstermen to lose their traps.
It doesn't take much wind to cause the waves to drag the traps and bust 'em up...
Between storms and the cost of fuel at the dock (which is ridiculously more expensive than at a gas station) alot are callin it quits for now.
Nyc Labrets @ 53:
Yeah sure... we'll see what they do or don't do, won't we? It's my opinion that the republicans do whatever "looks" good only if it suits them. As for your comment about Clinton and Edwards being caught with their pants down, what a cheap shot... may I remind you of all the republican fucktards like Larry Craig and the numerous ones caught in their own twisted sexually based public scandals? Thought so!
Has FEMA replaced the formaldehyde trailers yet?
No worries..we'll just scramble Cindy Lou off on her jet to access things.
IN A RELATED STORY....
Hurricane Larry Craig is expected to blow through the men's room stall number 5 at the MN GOP Airport Meat-and-Greet before the GOP convention.
cBc @ 77:
Just like she did after Katrina? Oh wait, her husband wasn't running for president at that time so there was no need.
The REPUBLICANS have been a Category 5 storm for 8 years.
McCaint Remember @ 48:
#50
Yeah I know….check the latest…
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mfl/tropical/
Looks like there is a confirmed tropical depression #8 - to the east of Gustav. It appears there are 3 'oh shit, we need to watch these' weather patterns as well. Two to the east of depression #8 and one to the west of Gustav. That one to the west of Gustav may have the potential to suck some of the wind out of Gustav's sails??? One can hope??
Fay is not quite out of the picture yet either. So, there are currently *6* tropical weather disturbances on the radar at one time. I think that that is the news!!
oZer @ 9:
The high road only leads to GOP bullshit being flung our way.
*WARNING - Two Face appears!
We've seen Bush/McCain, now meet Rove/McCain
McCain will be announcing his VP pick. Apparently, his VP choice will be informed today, and announced tomorrow in Ohio at 10 AM.
They plan to leak the choice in the late hours, early morning tomorrow in order to try and squash the coverage of Obama's speech.
My bet right before Obama's speech
POW McCain will get a pass on that swipe from the traditional media.
I can't wait to see the split screen coverage! Bush/McCain on one half telling their latest lies........Bush /McCain on the other half, eating cake.
Poor Cindy, first a sprained wrist from an overly eager McLame supporter, then off to those peasants in Georgia to deliver aid and now she may have to go and associate with those low class people in NO. Being the wife of a GOP presidential candidate is "hard work."
I wonder if they might cancel the repub convention due to the storm? bush is supposed to speak at the convention next Monday night.
pissed off patricia @ 87:
oh please oh please make it so... a cancellation in their convention would make me happy too.
pissed off patricia @ 87:
It's in St. Paul, right?
We've got about 10hrs left to explain to the American people why...
1) We saved Social Security from being privatized and poured into the collapsing financial market and sucked dry.
2) The GOP isnt just distorting the dri