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By bluegal Monday Sep 15, 2008 10:30pm
from "Tengrain Presents: The 800 Pound Moose in the Room" at Mock, Paper Scissors.
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Alaska AG: State employees won't honor subpoenas
JUNEAU, Alaska - Alaska's investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power, a potentially damaging distraction for John McCain's presidential campaign, ran into intensified resistance Tuesday when the attorney general said state employees would refuse to honor subpoenas in the case.
In a letter to state Sen. Hollis French, the Democrat overseeing the investigation, Republican Attorney General Talis Colberg asked that the subpoenas be withdrawn. He also said the employees would refuse to appear unless either the full state Senate or the entire Legislature votes to compel their testimony.
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what do former minnesota governor jesse ventura, acclaimed american filmmaker david lynch, and former “star wars” defense program director robert bowman all have in common?
More Trouble for McCain: Claims He Invented the Wheel
orangutan, care to answer that one, since i just got censored?
Pelosi won't give in to drilling without a fight. [Or will she?] Petraeus cuts an runs. The government bails out AIG for $85 billion, but can't find it in its heart to give us free health care. It's unanimous with former secretaries of state: we should talk with Iran. Some idiots think they have a right to discriminate
against a deaf student.
Our turn to rob the American public ... again. What's 85 billion?
Ukraine government collapses over Georgia war
Palin's Favorability Ratings Begin to Falter
Pakistan: GIs on cross-border raids will be shot
More useful scientific research trashed by McCain.
MountainMan:
Pro-Tip: She never had favorability ratings in the first place! She was just a ratings boost for the RNC, and that's it.
If Palin and her church pals are too successful in praying the gay away, who will do her hair? Who will decorate McCain's seven houses?
McCain's actual message, one beloved by the American electorate and put into words by George Carlin "I'm completely full of shit and how'da'ya like that!"
Turns out a majority of Americans appear to like that just fine!
I'm looking all over for the Hannity/Palin interview. That was supposed to of aired tonight, right?
ChenZhen @ 12:
Hannity-Palin interview postponed.
do you all really believe anything will change until you call these guys out on 9/11?
it's america's dirty little secret; except the rest of the world's already figured out that riddle.
Couric gets second Palin interview
thanks mountainman
general hayden, director negroponte... S.O.S.
let's get on w/ this, there's an army of liberal info warriors ready to step up on behalf of america, who despise the chinese gov't and think vlad putin's a total piece of $#!+...
BUT NO MORE AMERICAN NEOCONS STEERING THE VESSEL INTO AN ICEBERG!
Now is the time for Obama to come out with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from these b.s. lies and the framework owned by McCain. Obama needs to solidify his claim as the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy two or three word phrase for a 10 point plan for getting America back on track... Any suggestions?
bullfrog @ 14:
For the moment forget the issue of "who did it" ..
The Bush administration isn't even held responsible for negligence in letting it happen.
And I'm not talking about "letting it happen accidentally on purpose."
I mean "being negligent in protecting the nation." They are surely guilty of that at the very least, but they get a pass.
Senator McCain, when you recount, yet again, your history as a prisonor of war, the nation is reminded, yet again, that it owes you a debt of gratitude for your personal sacrifice. But while we owe you our gratitude, we do not owe you the Presidency. This nation may honor your service of forty years ago, and still recognize your failure of vision today. In this campaign, by your deliberate lies, you have dishonored yourself in front of every man and woman and especially, in front of every child of this nation. We honor the man that you were forty years ago but you have changed and we cannot honor the man you have become. This is truly tragic, for, through your own words and deeds, you have brought this disgrace upon yourself.
rip george putnam
the original ted baxter
the original real wingnut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NidUG88wY4o
btw, the above film was funded by mccains old buddy....keating
i think it is dirtier than anything that came out in 65
A comic strip about real life happenings. If they could history books in comic book form, Our children might actually become educated.
k1ngothwld @ 18:
dont cry !its only thunder!
tyree @ 23:
Now is the time for Obama to come up with a "New Deal" type of plan. Elevate himself from the lies and framework owned by the McCain camp. Solidify his claim to be the generational leader that will turn this country around. Those progressive think tanks need to come up with a catchy 2 or 3 word phrase that Obama can use to describe a 10 point plan to get America back on track and respectable again - where the American Dream means something. Any Suggestions?
This isn't a plea for help... I'm not concerned at all... McCain has hit his Zenith and he's only tied with Obama... it's all downhill for McCain now... Alz I'm sayin' is that Obama can throw a game changing touchdown right now while McCain is getting pounded by the media for his lies and banks are going under.... now is the time to strike, go for the jugular, invigorate your base at the same time, and strengthen your image as the only legitimate candidate...
McSame is a damn perpetual LIAR......typical Repug.. I now am even DOUBTING his accounting of his time as a POW. He is TOTALLY FULL OF SHIT.
MountainMan23 @ 15:
you mean 3rd after hannity
what a joke
what will they do, trade bunt cake recipe's?
Undercover video of pigs being abused--no kissing, no lipstick, no VP appointment:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080917/ap_on_re_us/abused_pigs
uncle joe mccarthy @ 26:
Moose mince meat pie.
Vote Obama/Biden'09.......Rebuild America
MountainMan23 @ 19:
keeping a little "9/11" pressure on the neocons helps throw them off their game
constituent @ 29:
09?
I think that may be too late.
k1ngothwld @ 18:
Might be a good time to listen to FDR's First Inaugural Address here or here.
Both links have text and RealPlayer Audio.
McCAIN's a PINATA and stevie schmidt looks like sloth from "Goonies".
bullfrog @ 2:
They are absolute Patriots who aren't afraid of confronting truth or learning from history. They join a wide and growing list of Patriots who are speaking out for the country they love.
"In times of change, the patriot is a scarce man; brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." - Mark Twain
Even if you don't like CW music, you might like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDKRClVvFSQ
xoites defends Constitution @ 31:
I'm back X. Ihope it's not too late. We have to start again, from the ground up, for the children. It's too late for us to get it back in our lifetime.
MountainMan23 @ 32:
That's awesome.
Ron @ 36:
This generation is about to enter a depression, maybe the next generation will get it together. Maybe not.
Carly Fiorina to "disappear" for awhile:
Another top campaign adviser was far less diplomatic.
“Carly will now disappear,” this source said. “Senator McCain was furious.” Asked to define “disappear,” this source said, adding that she would be off TV for a while – but remain at the Republican National Committee and keep her role as head of the party’s joint fundraising committee with the McCain campaign.
Fiorina was booked for several TV interviews over the next few days, including one on CNN. Those interviews have been canceled.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/16/carly-in-the-dog-house/
bullfrog @ 30:
Olbermann has thrown it back at them, that their negligence let it happen but they have been real quick to capitalize on it. But I have yet to hear a Democratic politician go after them for it (McKinney was a Dem when she went after them, but not any more).
To me it's a no-brainer.
And again, I'm not talking about accusing them of doing it or being in any way involved other than being totally negligent.
(Tho I'm convinced the same guys who burned the ReichStag crashed planes and blew up buildings on 9-11 .. well, almost the same guys.)
here's mccain the economic genius.watch this video...you can tell
this topic tightens mccain up.
http://bravenewfilms.org/blog/53467-john-mccain-a-chicken-in-every-pot
Ron @ 28:
Yeah, they need to be nice or they'll be left out like NBC because of mean ole Olbermann.
Topics not to cover per Rick Davis: Troopergate, earmarks, that fuckin bridge, meth, lipstick, Bush doctrine, rape kits, foreign policy, economy, and tanning beds.
The American worker is not the problem...
fastfeat @ 39:
Good she can hang out with those other two losers charlie black who said a conflict will help mccain and phil gramm of 'whiners' fame
and 1999 deregulation investment banks.
Doesn't anybody find it strange that McCain carries a blond mannequin around him with everywhere he goes?
Lessee...
The GOP administration -- without asking our assent -- has just bought for us [1] Fannie Mae, [2] Freddie Mac, and [3] AIG.
But Obama is the "Socialist."
constituent @ 44:
Phil is still there and as stupid as ever.
k1ngothwld @ 18:
How about : Return to Sanity ?
Who's winning the debate McCain V McCain?
BobbyG @ 46:
This country almost went Socialist during the last depression. I sure do hope it becomes Socialist during the coming one.
StirFry @ 45:
I do find it strange. Can't he be out alone? Does he need a babysitter? Is she afraid of another Iseman incident? I can see a candidates spouse showing up here and there but not at every freakin speech.
Ron @ 49:
And, are any Republicans running this time? Against this Palin-McInsane Independent Reform Party ticket?
Tequila @ 5:
Look for Petraeus to appear at a McCain rally near you soon.
What the hell's with Colin Powell. He says he's still undecided...because he can't decide which candidate is in the country's best interest? I have a question for you, General. How'd that Republican administration work out for YOU?
Filthy Harry @ 11:
Yep! And the fact that he wants to end employer health insurance, when the vast majority of American's are worried about health insurance as an issue, is unequivocal proof that the retards and complete morons outnumber us. This is one fucked-up country!
StirFry @ 42:
Good to see that her best Jeopardy categories--"Snow-covered land masses," "Dominionism," and "Home cretin-ranching" are still on the board...
StirFry @ 45:
The same one he had in Vietnam?
k1ngothwld @ 18:
How about..."All you can eat surf n turf"?
Gramm orchestrated the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999 which “destroyed the Depression-era barrier to the merger of stockbrokers, banks and insurance companies.” He also pushed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act in 2000, which made legal “the mortgage swaps distancing the originator of the loan from the ultimate collector.” The Nation writes that “those two acts effectively ended significant regulation of the financial community.”
NO i'm not saying Gramm is totally responsible but he was a big player.
Janet @ 51:
I noticed on the McCain Channel (CNN) with no volume at the gym: McCain/Mannequin, Palin, McCain/Mannequin, 1/2 sec of Obama, Palin, McCain and no mannequin, Palin, 1/128 sec of Biden, McCain/Mannequin. etc
RobertD @ 53:
I wonder if someone is threatening his pension/benefits...
mit romney...the republicans aren't running to be president John Mccain is. maybe barack needs to identify his opponent as a
republican=bush....
fastfeat @ 60:
Someone thinks he has or ever had any integrity?
Janet @ 51:
I believe she operates the controls.
Peter G @ 63:
Well she really sucks at that grin thing.
Peter G @ 63:
Who else will change his Depends.
Ron @ 65:
Hannity?
fastfeat @ 60:
Yeah, they told him his pension benefits die with him.
xoites defends Constitution @ 64:
Perhaps she doesn't know that beauty pageant trick Palin uses of smearing your gums with Vaseline to give you a hair trigger smile. Cindy's seems a little frosty doesn't it?
BobbyG @ 52:
I'm still wondering how long it will take true Republicans--like Powell, Hagel, Lincoln Chafee--to line up behind Obama and say, "Look, in this situation, this guy's got the goods." They have to see that McCain's got plenty of nothin' on this issue. He went on Matt Lauer this morning, apparently, saying that he continues to oppose additional regulation for the financial system.
This one is Obama's to win or lose. He's got the "crack economic team." I agree with the post earlier--time to roll out a "10-point plan" that makes common sense connections with Joe-average Ohio voters.
And he needs to do it yesterday. Not wait for the damn debates.
Orangutan. @ 37:
Agreed.
And props to Thom Hartmann for frequently giving FDR the airtime that he does.
Listening to FDR makes me feel like I used to when leaving a Dead concert...
xoites defends Constitution @ 62:
His mother?
RobertD @ 69:
I have to say this about the "Palin bump:" it will be long gone in a month. It may have been the smartest thing in the world for Obama and Bidden to sit back for a week or so and do nothing and wait to strike. With the memory span Americans have shooting your wad early is usually a bad idea.
xoites defends Constitution @ 66:
It's funny no one has thought to ask McCain what he means when he yells out "change".
Peter G @ 73:
LOL! :)
xoites defends Constitution @ 62:
The conflicted military voter?
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The Maddow Show was awesome tonight. Here are some highlights:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfKPB-AbNts - Maddow & Sirota on McCain's Flip Flop on Regulation
This one makes it clear on how ridiculous McCain's sudden call for regulation is. And the Keating 5 is mentioned!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drKBhaaqGyw - Bill Maher on the Rachel Maddow Show: Palin is not ready
Maher talks about what constituent @ 58 mentioned about Phil Grahams role. And of course Maher shits all over Palin.
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xoites defends Constitution @ 62:
At one point, I believed he was honest. I didn't agree with him on everything, but back in '98 or '99, when there was talk he might run for president, I was willing to give him a look. I'm not a hawk, but I have a lot of military folks in my family, and I understand why they think the way they do.
He shot his own credibility in Bush's cabinet, though, when he refused to resign over the war and then went on to hawk for it at the UN. He knew it was wrong, and he knew it would hurt the military.
I'm willing to believe he knows what the right thing is now. To me, he's an example of a Republican who may not be "of the GOP." He can see what the GOP is doing not only to the country, but specifically to the military to which he devoted his career. He could step up and do the right thing right now. If he's on the fence--and this article indicates he is--he could still prove me right.
I believe in redemption.
fastfeat @ 75:
I seriously doubt too many members of the military are very conflicted at this point. In a conflict? Yes. Conflicted? No.
StirFry @ 76:
I watched that and it was actually the first one i got to see. It was very good.
RobertD @ 77:
In the unlikely event that what you believe is true where do you think he will draw his cabinet and administration appointees from? Space? Or is he going to do it solo. The Republicans are backing McCain not because they believe he will reform anything but to retain their hold on power. The US isn't bankrupt yet and they still have pockets to fill. One more term ought to about do it.
The efficiency of the McCain campaign is stunning. I received a call this morning urging me to register and vote McCain /Palin in Pennsylvania. That would not be strange except they called me at home in Northern California !! Vote early and often if they can supply that private jet
I'm struck by how amazingly the McCain/Palin ads resemble a movie trailer. Anyone else notice this?
I mean, sure, political ads have become more stylish and sensationalistic over the last few years, but come on. You expect to see Palin dodge bullets in slow motion and McCain spout a cyborg rocket-launcher out of his chin. It probably appeals to the WWE/NASCAR Republicans, but it's got to annoy the hell everyone else.
xoites defends Constitution @ 72:
I thought early and often.
Ron @ 65:
Oh man, she'll hire that job out in a heartbeat.
this is the 40 second video ...mccain..'i know a lot more about the
military then economics'...yeah we know...bomb bomb singing with
shxt eating grin....if i was obama i would put this in ads. i'm tired
of mccains shxt.that lie about the sex education eas a low blow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OunCv-7qvA
RobertD @ 84:
That kind of mess, it will be hard to find anyone to do it at any price.