Countdown: Joe Biden On John McCain's Precarious Perch
By Nicole Belle Friday Sep 26, 2008 11:00am
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Democratic Vice Presidential candidate Joe Biden appeared on Countdown last night for the post-debate wrap up and while remaining gracious to Republican rival John McCain (a characteristic that doesn't appear to be shared on the other side of the aisle. Funny, that), pointed out all of McCain's bluster and bravado is merely to cover up for the fact that he has an indefensible position of sharing the failed George W. Bush policies for the economy and foreign policy.
This is a very difficult ground, in fairness to John, it's really difficult to defend the terrain that he occupies. The terrain he occupies is he's bought on the economic philosophy of George W. Bush and the sort of you know free market, let it run its way, let it be on its own, and now all of the sudden he's talking about greed on Wall Street. The same way with his foreign policy. He went in and thought this was a...you know, he thought we were going to be over in a short time, that we were going to be greeted and so on and so forth. John's judgment - here's the point - John's judgment has been fundamentally wrong on the basic, critical, foreign policy and domestic decisions we've had to make.
It could have been more concise, but what it comes down to is McCain is Bush's third term. And no one wants to see that repeated.
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It's nice to hear from Ol' Joe. Thanks Nicole.
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Just saying -- if God chose Sarah to defeat Obama and Joe, what could God have been thinking?
Biden at least stays on point and speaks to specifics, which is much more than Palin does as she crams in every talking point the GOP has schooled her on. Where was SHE last night?
Biden implies that McCain has no control of his campaign, which lurches from here to there. If he can't control his campaign and come forth with a new message, why should we trust him with this country and come forth with new ideas to get us out of this mess?
I'm looking forward to Thursday's veep debate. Good luck, Joe. As long as you don't sneer a la Couric, you will be fine.
The good thing about all of McCain's gaffes last night ("Kardari", "Ahmija...Achmi...the Iranian President guy"...) is it provides cover for Joe should he make any slips himself in his debate with The Little Woman.
Still, he scores repeatedly in this clip, it defies logic to believe he'll do anything but the same with Her Holiness.
Why aren't you showing any of Palin's post-debate interviews? Oh, that's right, she didn't do any.
i didn't realize there is only one vice president debate.
that's good for the republicans
Where was Sarah?
Um Joe, you voted for the Iraq war too. Last night's debate on this issue was a farse. What was the choice? More war in Afghanistan or forever war in Iraq? They both think Russia was the aggressor in the Georgia dust up. Obama is for the incursions into a dangerous Pakistan. Both are threatening Iran, while Ahmadinejad sounds like a dove on Larry King.
Not much better on the economic front. One wants to give money we don't have to businesses the other to middle class taxpayers. Both are for the bailout abomination even though we don't know what it will look like and what the underbelly of the problem looks like.
There's no way I'd ever vote for a scummy Republican, but Obama and Biden aren't making it easy to go their way.
Different Anonymous @ 6:
The great part is Obama has a pretty good track record of correctly pronouncing the correct leaders name of the correct country, and using their correct government title.
So for the record: Voldemort Putin is not the Supreme Overlord of Germany.
LegallyBlonde @ 9:
She was working Senator McCheese's hands, didn't you see them flailing about uncontrollably?
Grandpa lost simply because he couldn't win in his field of expertise. People aren't stupid anymore, it was clear to all with sound minds who watched that Obama won last night. Now this mean old fool needs that nutty moose killing bitch in the VP debate to save his wrinkled ass....good fucking luck McGeezer. McFraud has zero chance in the last two Presidential debates.
flamethrower @ 10:
The real trouble is the Republicans and the Right Wing controlled media, the Media has set the tone and the Repugs just spew their bullshit like it makes sense, and to the average American they don't know what to think because the media repeats the same lies. The Dems came out against Georgia's actions and the media advanced the story that it was Russia who initiated the aggression. It's the media who is putting all the eggs into the $700 billion bailout - making it sound like the person who stands in the way of the money is the bad guy. It's the media that fails to talk about the fact that reduced violence is about 30% of the goals that the surge was supposed to achieve. 30% is a failing grade, no?
I'm not trying to jump on you shit flamethrower, I'm just not sure what else Obama is supposed to do. We had the perfect peace candidate in Kucinich, however the media wouldn't even mention his name if they could avoid it. what are we supposed to do? If you can come up with a plan, I'm willing to give anything a try. I just don't know how to fight 100% coverage, except to come out to the blogs, but then I'm only talking to other bloggers and we're not really spreading the message. I'm not even sure how many people actually read these. Weather or not I get an answer from you might give me an answer to that last one.
Other then that, thanks for your comments, I agree that we are pretty much screwed.
The people are a lot smarter than the Democrats in Congress. They smell bullshit on this latest rip-off scheme. The Dems could have slammed the door on Paulson and adjourned, but now they are stuck defending the bastards the FBI is investigating for fraud.
flamethrower @ 10:
Here, make it easier - the guys who actually attacked us are in Afghanistan and Pakistan. They aren't in Iraq.
If we go after the RIGHT people in the RIGHT place, that's fine by me.
So yes, I support sending more troops to Afghanistan and taking them out of Iraq. We actually have allies in Afghanistan. We're going it alone in Iraq (for the most part). So we don't need as many troops for as long a duration.
No one wants to see Bush's third term except the
liberalcorporate media, Christian Fundamentalists, military industrialists, Wall Street crooks and con men, the US Health care industry, lobbyists, Osama Bin Laden, oppressive regimes throughout the Middle East (further legitimized by US actions there), war profiteers, the criminally insane, those impatiently awaiting Rapture, Dick Cheney, Chinese President Hu Jintao, etc., etc.I like Joe a lot, but he is long-winded isn't he? I hope he pares back his answers in his debate with Palin and gives her plenty of time to sink herself with her own scatter-brained responses. That's pretty much all he'd have to do. Of course, all she has to do is say "guys and gals" once and she's done.
Hillary supporters touted the 2-for-1 bonus, but Bill wasn't running. We have a 2-for-1 in Obama/Biden which I think is an incredible proposition. And will be. At least we know Joe won't be hiding out some undisclosed bunker somewhere for the next 4 years trying to figure out how to redefine torture and avoid impeachment at the same time.
flamethrower @ 10:
There are important alternatives although of they are shut out of the Duopolies 'Debates' and the Corporate media's coverage.
As far as thinking that Russia was aggressor when it was actually Georgia, our Military Industrial Media Complex wants to renovate the cold war so they can keep and even increase their funding. These two are both their candidates. The Iraq is getting stale, though in Afghanistan, rightly considered the graveyard of empires, we could go on and on for decades or until bankruptcy.
It is Corporate Candidate A and Corporate Candidate B.
The Republicans are Reptiles but the even Democrats wearing sheep's clothing may turn out to be just as bad.
Trekkie @ 16:
I know this isn't popular anymore but if we want to go after the RIGHT people wouldn't it be easier to start in the White House? Shouldn't we be looking for the guy who told NORAD to stand down? shouldn't we be demanding a real investigation into the American Government's failures that day? I understand going after a foriegn people for this crime, but we also need to look at what was done to allow this to happen here in our great nation?
I hope everyone knows the 9/11 commission was a farce at best, and an out right lie the way I see it.
Obama and Biden are much too kind on McCain.
There are much more deserving so called Heros in the world and McCain is not one of them
He is a mean little man who was lucky in his life. Almost 4,000 troops alone in iraq were not as lucky as him and they died for Politicans lying.
Trekkie @ 16:
Sure about that? How? Cuz some talking head politician says so?
D @14:
"It’s the media that fails to talk about the fact that reduced violence is about 30% of the goals that the surge was supposed to achieve. 30% is a failing grade, no?
The reduction of violence was the tactic of the surge. The strategy was to give the government time to stand up on its own. In that regard, the surge's grade is F- so far. (:>
Last night .. Palin:
"John really showed his mahhv'rick-ness there, it was clear who the good guy was ..."
Rufus @ 4:
Which God are you referring to?
Obama has a far better command of military language than McCain:
strategy
(n) : the science and art of military command as applied to the overall planning and conduct of warfare; a plan of action intended to accomplish a specific goal
tactic
(n) : a maneuver, or action calculated to achieve some end
The Iraq War is a strategy, the surge is a tactic.
What was Biden smokin', you know?
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 20:
I will never happen. Humility is not an asset the United States ever wants to hold or show to the rest of the world. Why do you think we're still in Iraq? Bush cares only about saving his reputation. Unfortunately, he never got the memo that he has none left (like that would make any difference).
High-mindedness flattens broad-mindedness. Somehow we think the world rotates on an axis that runs right through Washington D.C. That alone will be our undoing.
Here, make it easier - the guys who actually attacked us are in Afghanistan and Pakistan. They aren’t in Iraq.
if our officials aren't lying to us, the guys who attacked us are dead.
Remember how they found Mohammed Atta's wallet in the street, undamaged?
The guys who attacked us might very well be in Langley VA...
Joe -- that Irish raconteur and all-around nice guy -- can hammer Moosegirl with a twinkle in his eye.
But he can't praising her. He can't be solicitous. He has to expose her for the ill-suited fraud that she is.
BID
ConcernedCanuck @ 22:
Yeah...and Pakistani intelligence, British intelligence, American intelligence...
Prepondrance of evidence, as well as common sense - as long as we're throwing all our efforts into Iraq, why would they go somewhere else? They're in a strong natural fortification, surrounded by people who are more sympathetic to them than they are to us or their governments.
Indubitably, Biden is smarter and more experience than palin
But I'm really looking foreward to the debate between them
To see if either ever makes a coherent sentence.
ysbaddaden @ 27:
I kin gitcha sommodat, if'n you got the digde...set ya back about $125/eighth...
Yes, and no more "hero" talk. McSame isn't a hero.
The only way that Biden can go all kettle-black on McCain is because he can count on the majority of his listeners to be suffering from the usual American malady of historical amnesia / memory loss. Biden is and always has been a hawk and was calling for an attack on Iraq even before the Bush regime took office. He was only too happy to authorize Bush's war, and even now only complains that the Bushies botched the job.
And to listen to Obama pledge to send more troops into the Afghanistan quagmire and open a new quagmire in Pakistan is as depressing as anything coming out of the mouth of his opponent. Perhaps we can take solace in the hope that Obama will not press NATO to admit Georgia and then commit us to war against Russia.
The United States is in a crisis of political leadership not seen in more than a century, and the consequences are far more serious than at any previous time in our history. Our corporate masters are offering us Coke vs Pepsi, while the system collapses around us and no help is on the horizon.
Last time I smoked the average price was $40.00 for a half-ounce, what's it now?
I remember wondering and wandering through my alcholic haze during the debate last night, how much a legalized and taxed product would add to our strained national budget?
Trekkie @ 31:
Benazir Bhutto told David Frost about a week before she was (unexpectedly!) assassinated, that she'd met a guy she said told her he'd assassinated Bin laden in Tora Bora in late 2002 or early 2003. He's subsequently been eliminated by the USCIA and the Pak ISI...search "Frost Bhutto"
Joe voted on the war based on FALSE INTELLIGENCE from the Bush regime! We probably would have
done the same. Recall the "Mushroom CLOUD" !
flamethrower @ 10:
Dahgrostab'ph-r-i @ 11:
The American populace in general, not so much.
@# 36 ysbaddaden Says:
Last time I smoked the average price was $40.00 for a half-ounce, what’s it now?
Like McC(umst)ain's undergarments, it depends...
where I live, plain brown bud--mexican commersial-- is $60-80/oz
But (alleged) "hi-grade" can go as high as $250/oz--or higher...
I believe I've about smoked it all, and nothing around today can touch the thai-stick bud i got in Hawai'i in the late '70s, for about $20/stick...
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The one thing that strikes me more than anything else is the fact that with Obama and Biden we are dealing with adults. What a refreshing change from the dingbatish, whiney, lying bunch of fear mongers that McSame represents.
I am so tired of being lied to by a bunch of teenagers who like to look cool but refuse to do their homework and clean up their messes.
That's warranted, not arranted!
Back to the Ghost Dance
mcgramps wants only to talk about the "success" of the surge
When there's less of a populace to be targets of the "terrorists," due to death and refugees in Syria and Iran, and Muqtada Al Sadr drawing down his Mahdi Army, and the Awakening Councils,
And this way he doesn't have to admit that Gen. Eric Shinseki and Paul O'Neal were right,
And that there were no WMD's.
Donald Hussein Cormac @ 23:
When is Obama gonna state something like this?
"John, all you have is the surge, all surge all the time. Your foreign policy world-view can only be described as "the surge". I believe the surge was part of the reason why violence is down. But two really important points...
(1) Make no mistake... the poor choice of invading a sovereign nation more than 5 years ago was the most disasterous foreign policy decision of the past 50 years - and you were 100% for it - you were wrong. The surge - was the "bailout" for this failed foreign policy and wrong-headed decision.
(2) You are NOT for the surge - The surge was never delivered. And by the way, for now on, I am gonna try to never use that word again .. What we got was a General Westmoreland-style escalation. The surge was supposed to be (a) a temporary troop increase that lasted several months, and (b) a means to provide stability that allowed Iraqi political reconciliation. More than year later, we can say that (a) it was not temporary with still more troops there today than before the surge, and (b) no political solution is in sight.
So, the escalation has quelled violence - and exceeded my wildest expectations. But the surge never was. And therefore, unless we now redefine the mission - cannot be called a mission accomnplished.
McPale's Navy @ 18:
This will indeed be Biden's biggest challenge, especially since the format of the "debate," from what I've heard, has been written to favor short responses. Biden must watch the clock and be quick to cut off his responses when up against the clock. Otherwise, short-attention-span America will see him as hogging "poor" ditz's time. And the RW pundits will have a field day.
A continuation of the Republican approach to setting U.S. policy in any area of national concerns would be disastrous for the country. Everyone agrees. Minions actually believe this time the republicans will get it right this time, notwithstanding they will do the same thing and expect a different result. That, everyone should know by now, is one definition of crazy, insane action.
But there are troubling notions in the idea of the perennial "Washington Politician" straw man argument that every politician in Washington uses. I hope, for the sake of real change, Obama does not truly hold that Venezuela is a rogue state, in the mold of Korea and other nations the Republicans so define. But millions of people heard him say it and it make him appear very much the "Washington Politician" I thought he would not be, given that he is a political phenomena who has risen from humble beginnings, going through Community Organizing to the threshold of one of most powerful positions in the world. Were his words a glimpse of a power-elitist mindset prevalent in Washington circles?
Saber rattling against democratically elected nations in Central and South American has already begun under the Republicans. Does Obama wish to continue that reckless, cowboy approach to foreign policy?
40 woody, tokin librul
I had a chance at Thai-stick once, but turned it down.
But one can get a serious buzz on with sinsemellian liberally laced with hashish, smoked in a bong, followed by a couple lines of coke, while watching Jerry Falwell with the sound off, and listening to Alice Cooper sing about his Sick Things, and how he Loves the Dead.
A little OT, but speaking of reefer...
I live in a small town in Tennessee (pop:@15000) and you can usually score weed anywhere in town any day of the week, but the prices are higher than in the metro areas and up north, so i have a friend bring down my supply when he visits, and I usually pay him about $80-90 an ounce for very good, nice bud/nice buzz reefer. I believe the drug statistics are WAY WAY OFF when you can ive in a town this small and practically find any drug you want any time of the day. And it's not like people around here make $20 an hour, either.
If Obama continues to refer to Venezuela as a rogue state, and follow the mantra that Russia invaded Georgia without provocation, he will lose my vote. If McCain wins and dies, then the country will just have to rise up and impeach Palin. That's what the Constitution is for. But I cannot in good conscience vote for anyone who is going to lie to me and expect me to take it. Obama's entire platform (that of the Dem party) IS putting lipstick on a pig. Cosmetic changes only.
Che's Lounge @ 50:
Yeah, where exactly have you been for the last 8 years? You honestly expect Congress to do something like that?
Why in the holy hell would you want to base it all on the hope that Congress would do that? And you really expect Nancy Pelosi, third in line as Speaker and unlikely to be removed, to do a better job as President than Barack Obama?
Trekkie @ 51:
Obama will not "do a better job". He will continue the same policies (war on terror, domestic surveillance) that are already in place. And the next congress will not be the same as the last congress. You are naive. If you have no faith in the electorate OR the Constitution, and these entities are non factors to you, then the shit needs to go down hard. Because we ar no longer a republic anyway.
You honestly expect Congress to do something like that?
Absolutely! Where have you been for the last TEN years. It's been done, and for less. If they don't, then let the chips fall.
Why in the holy hell would you want to base it all on the hope that Congress would do that? And you really expect Nancy Pelosi, third in line as Speaker and unlikely to be removed, to do a better job as President than Barack Obama?
You just supported my premise that the Dems have nothing to offer in the way of the fundamental changes needed to save the country.
ysbaddaden @ 27:
He did have a relaxed quality that only a toss in the hay or a martini can bring on.
Countdown: Joe Biden On John McCain’s Precarious Perch
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Well I agree with mcgramps
I find perch precarious too
I always seem to choke on at least one of the tiny bones.
I've been observing news reports all day post debate in my home town in Australia. Here is the scary thing. All news good or otherwise follows the Republican line. I was in the supermarket and nearly threw up when I heard the news report a very long sound byte of McCain sprouting his dogma. No Obama. Others were saying it was neck and neck and that McCain was presidential. All they did was show a clip of Obama stuttering. About the Palin witchcraft thing, the comment was- well it worked she became governor. I think the news feeds come straight from Murdoch. We mainly get a superficial right wing impression of the US here.
I'm tired of hearing both Barack and Joe making ANY positive statements to McCain. This is the presidential campaign. The republicans are mud slingers and right nasty about it. Last night Barack continually would say, "John is right about this..." or "John makes a good point...." etc. Not ONCE did John McCain say anything positive about Barack (personally I think Barack has gotten to John's head which is fantastic). Now Joe says in this interview that it's hard for John McCain to stand on his positions with all of the problems facing the country and basically giving John a pass on his positions.....ENOUGH you Dems! Sheezus what do you think this is a tea party? Haven't you learned ANYTHING in the last 8 years?? Be statesmanlike, yes but for god's sake, don't offer them any help!
Che's Lounge @ 54:
You know, you can go screw yourself.
If this country collapses like you want, then PEOPLE WILL DIE. And I will probably be one of those people. And I AM NOT SACRIFICING MY LIFE FOR YOUR GODDAMNED PRINCIPLES.
YOU GOT THAT, YOU ASSHOLE! OR DO I HAVE TO PUNCTUATE IT WITH MY BOOT!
Trekkie @ 59:
People ARE dying. And I may be one also. Obama will not save you if it comes to that. Can you be more specific about how you would die, and without the cursing?
I don't WANT things to collapse. That's just ridiculous. Try having a serious debate.
Che's Lounge @ 60:
Medicare pays for the medications I need to live. I don't qualify for any other insurance, and I kinda like breathing. I've grown attached to it.
Why did McCain decide to "go to Washington to fix the financial crisis and cancel the debate" ??
Because the news had just broken that his campaign manager Rick Davis was still receiving money as a lobbyist.
And the ploy worked.
All the reporting about McCain was:
"Why is he doing this?"
"Why did he skip Letterman?"
"Will he vote for or against the bailout?"
"Will he show up for the debate?"
etc etc etc
Not a word about Rick Davis high paid lobbyist still in charge of McCain's campaign.
The ONLY word I saw was Couric's question to Palin, and Palin LIED but in a sneaky deniable way - "The last thing I heard is he recused himself one, maybe two years ago." And she said it in a way almost asking Couric to correct her, so she could say something like, "Gee golly wow maybe I'm wrong." But Couric didn't challenge her.
And I AM NOT SACRIFICING MY LIFE FOR YOUR GODDAMNED PRINCIPLES.
Yet you have no problem sacrificing other people's lives for Obama's principles. Or so it would seem.
During the VP debate, Palin will have so many wires coming out of her direct from the Repug bunker. There will be a remote antenna hidden in her updo. Watch for pauses as she receives incomings and listen for strange beeps.
Trekkie @ 62:
That's it? That has nothing to do with voting Dem vs Republican!
Che's Lounge @ 64:
Half the people around here are willing to sacrifice MY life for their sainted principles, so what's the difference?
Remember, the primary goal of any human being is self-preservation. That's what I'm fighting for - my right to exist.
Trekkie @ 67:
You sound like a Palestinian! Do we have the right to exist if we pay people to go around the world killing other people over natural resources and money, when there are other viable methods available to us that would not threaten our own existence?
Rufus @ 4:
GOD had nothing to do with that mess.
Where was John Mccain's flag pin? Obviously he doesn't love America because I didn't see one last night. In fact I haven't seen one for quite some time now.
Che's Lounge @ 68:
You miss the point. You want (or are not against) things that would eliminate MY PERSONAL RIGHT TO EXIST AS A LIVING HUMAN BEING.
My life isn't perfect, but it is MINE. YOU can't have it.
I'm done. Believe whatever you want about me, but if you think that standing by and letting the country burn to the ground by letting John McCain or Sarah Palin into the White House is a good thing....then you are the dumbest person on the face of this planet!
Well EXCUSE ME!
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Let me make my COMMENT so it is on topic.
I could only listen to the debate (via KEX in Portland, Ore) through my computer.
I was under the impression that McGrumps was holding his own, with a slight personal slant that Obama was the winner because he sounded at least as well versed on foreign affairs as the 26 year Senator Skeletor...
When I finally got to view some of the clips the you, and firedoglake, and KOS put up, I was swayed to Obama's side because of the para language that McSame was displaying.
After the clips I felt that Obama more that held his own, even though the GOP has tried to paint Obama as completely inexperienced.
Over all though; and as usual...
I agree with Flamthrower that the Georgia situation has been completely misrepresented by the msm and these two candidates.
Georgia was the original aggressor, and Putin was just showing that he is going to defend "HIS" turf.
In my opinion, the U S Constitution will NOT be restored under either of these two candidates.
Dahgrostab’ph-r-i Says@ 20
We could certainly use that 2.3 TRILLION dollars that is missing from the PENTAGON books right about now!
You know, the 2.3 TRILLION dollars that Rumsfeld stated was missing from the Pentagon books, on September 10, 2001
YES, the day before the 911 attacks, Rumsfeld admitted that 2.3 TRILLION dollars was GONE!
The very next day, Flight 77 (?) slams into the accounting dept.
at the PENTAGON.
I think we should revisit this catastrophe and find out what really happened.
The bail out will be finished by tomorrow, otherwise the Federal Reserve will go bankrupt on Oct. 1
I say let it go bankrupt, and let's get our Constitution back.
Now we will find out if this is too off topic for you or not.
Even though I can count a handful of posts here that are as off topic.
You miss the point. You want (or are not against) things that would eliminate MY PERSONAL RIGHT TO EXIST AS A LIVING HUMAN BEING.
That is a false statement. I have no power in that respect. What I want would relieve you of the stress of worrying about those meds.
My life isn’t perfect, but it is MINE. YOU can’t have it.
I don't want it. And it is not mine to take even if I did. As opposed to the ones you want to lead you.
Believe whatever you want about me, but if you think that standing by and letting the country burn to the ground by letting John McCain or Sarah Palin into the White House is a good thing….then you are the dumbest person on the face of this planet!
Maybe it's best that you are done, since you are re interpreting my words to feed your anger and frustration. I didn't create this mess, and yet I refuse to be a part of it any longer.
Why did Obama have go along with McCain and lie about the Georgian aggression against the people of South Ossetia? The war criminal and sometimes tyrant Saakashvili ordered the slaughter of and genocide against South Ossetia that started late one night with bombs and artillary shells dropped on the sleeping residents of Tskhinvali, the capital of the Republic of South Ossetia. The next morning Georgian tanks rolled into Tskhinvali and started destroying the buildings and murdering as many South Ossetians as they could. Finally, the Russians responded with military force and drove out the Georgian forces.
So why do most American politicians have to be automatically knee-jerk against anything Russia does? The old Soviet Union and its communist system collapsed in 1991. Russia is probably about as democratic as the US under Bush. I watch Russia Today news on a daily basis. They told me a bout hearings being held in the US Senate and House about the Georgian aggression against South Ossetia (only US politicians mostly prefer to call it "Russian aggression"). See www.russiatoday.com for useful information every day.
Sorry about the initial reversal of italics in my last post.
Almost half of the voters (44%) want to see it repeated, according to the polls.
Just one more example.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080926/ap_on_bi_ge/financial_meltdown_1146
All this talk about 'fundamental judgment'... the single most important question, the one that determines whether this country will survive or not, is this:
Why do the terrorists want to kill us?
Any candidate who won't acknowledge that people don't like having their families blown up by cruise missiles, don't like having their doors kicked in by soldiers in the dead of night, don't like having their countries taken over by murderous dictators, and don't like having their resources stolen, will only bury us deeper in this shitpile and SHOULD NOT GET YOUR VOTE.
We know exactly how McOld would answer. Sadly, I think Obama would have a similar answer at least in part because he thinks that's what he has to say to get elected. The American public is monumentally stupid on this issue.
STOP CALLING MCDUMB a HERO. He isn't. He was a POW and survived good on him but it doesn't make him a hero. - I won't call him a coward but damn......
What was up with Sen. Biden's lighting? It looked like he was standing in front of an emergency car inspection light (the kind with the hook on top). I could barely pick out the details on his face.
With all the money I've sent the campaign over the past 18 months, you think they could afford to light the guy so that he doesn't look like he's about to burst into flames.