Lieberman on the Webb Amendment: "Give the American soldier a break..."
By Nicole Belle Tuesday Jul 10, 2007 12:46pm
Holy Joe's logic is maddening...he is counseling his colleagues to vote against Webb's amendment requiring that active-duty troops have at least the same amount of time at home as the length of their previous tour of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan because he thinks they should give the troops a break. Um, hello?And yet more proof that being a neo-con means you never have to crack open a history book, he gives us this gem:
"It's a backdoor, kind of indirect way to compel us to withdraw from Iraq.... when in a war does Congress step in and tell the military what it's personnel policy should be?"
TP has Jim Webb response to Lieberman:
I was warning about the consequences of invading and occupying Iraq well before we went in. ... I don't know where Sen. Lieberman gets his opinions about how well we're doing.
UPDATE: Republicans have killed Webb's Troop Protection Amendment.
UPDATE #2: Bob Geiger has the final vote count. Look at the Republicans that don't want to protect the troops.
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So all US govt will be awol in August? Chertoff and his gut think something is going to happen. Is that our fear factor to think about until they return since they won't be available to scare us that whole month.
WTF? What happened to all the comments that were here about a second ago?
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Let's ask the troops how well supported they feel by the (miss)administration now, shall we?
So are democrats going to raise hell about this?
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The people of Connecticut should proud they elected this great American.
Waiting for the roll-call so I can see IF Senator McCain (supporting-the-troops but never as a Senator doing a job as Senator by, you know, voting) was part of that vote.
WTF Senate democrats need to sit through a filibuster. Let the repubs waste a week of senate time forcing our troops to suffer. If the Dems would just sit through one week of filibuster, the obstructionism would end! MAKE THE REPUBS FILIBUSTER OUR TROOPS AND THEY LOSE! WTF are the dems thinking.
ARGGGG I am so mad at Harry Reid. Why didn't he just let the repubs filibuster this one! So stupid.
Maybe this section was overwhelmed by those of us angry at the low life, lying, sacks of dung politicians.
Reality says, that most people are working so hard to provide for their families they don't have time to keep up with the crap being pulled on them. Or the others are busy enjoying their lifestyles and truly don't give a damn about the sacrifices so many families are making.
Perhaps politicians are the face of society now, greed and selfishness.
Yeah, OK, So I understand Connecticut doesn't have provisions for impeachment...what about recall? Surely they must have that...
so did liberdouche give mossad the thumbs up, mission accomplished!
Jesus, where is this story? I've been combing CNN/MSNBC/FOX Noise, and i havn't heard more than a mention of this unbelievable DEFEAT FOR OUR TROOPS and further evidence that the hypocrisy of the thuggish Right has no bounds. I'm pretty sure that these Repugs who killed this amendment (not a single Democrat voted against it) are the same guys who have built their party around some deformed, mutated perversion of patriotism whose primary mantra offered to the People has been one of support for our men and women in uniform. The failure of this vote, due to the lack of Republican support, stands as a testament to the treacherous and deceitful truth about the GOP. Still, those lazy carrion birds in the media HQs cannot, or will not, see and expose this betrayal for what it is. My god...
"I fear for the future of our nation, for God is Just." Thomas Jefferson
Typical Republicans... all talk, talk, talk... no action and never about supporting the troops. They need to get their coward asses over there. In 2008, I believe it's at least 21 Republican Senators up for re-election. HA! They better start looking for a day job because they won't be heading back to DC except to pick up their belongings.
We shouldn't be mad at the Republicans, they are pulling the same slimy tricks they always do. We should be mad at our Democratic leaders who didn't sit through the filibuster. When Gravel filibustered the draft he was a hero. When these republicans filibuster ending our virtual draft, they will be villains. It is that simple, and the senate Dems failed to see this.
What a whiney little bitch Leiberman is, God I hate him. And I'd love to see some proof that re-enlistment is greater than the pentagon expected,unless their expectations were very low. But this just proves once again that the repukes don't support the troops. They are the party that claims patriotism while actually being anything but patriotic .To me they are nothing but cowards and traitors, to our troops and our country. And once again I congratulate Connecticut on being the stupidest voters in the country.
Thank you to Wordpress for deleting about two thirds of the comments on the thread. When are you going to back to Haloscan?
pissed off patricia @ 1:
If they come over here to fight us, Nancy Pelosi will need to handle the situation. After all, baby Bush and traitor Cheney went into hiding on Sept. 11, 2001 and Chertoff still doesn't know what to do after a major hurricane. Someone will need to hang around DC to hold down the fort and Nancy is next in line. We all know we can't rely on the Bush/Cheney cartel to protect us. They were no where to be found on 9/11/2001.
how hard is it to spin this into the Dems favor? I mean christ, don't they have political people they can put on talk shows like the GOP does?
It is a no brainer to get out there and push some basic talking points.
sigh, these dems are so freaking disjointed.
I love his re-enlistment comment. Do you know why they re-enlist? It's because they are getting 2 things: 1) More money than ever before for reenlisting. Look at the pre-war reenlistment bonuses and the post war reenlistment bonuses. 2) Guarantees of assignments that do not deploy. My buddy in the Marine Corps reenlisted only because he was getting a 3 year assignment in an area that doesn't deploy for an outrageous amount of money.
There really is nothing about this filibuster ? I haven't had the news on and if Lou and Keith do not cover this I will be sick.
Just called McCain's office. He voted for cloture. He would not have supported Webb amendment b/c it'd "unnecessarily ite the hands of operations." Had other discussion w/ staffer (who's served 4 times in Iraq, 2 in Operation Iraqi Freedom as navy fighter pilot) on various issues surrounding this. I told him I thought the Webb amendment was a no-brainer.
Oy, the votes just went up. It says that McCain voted Nay.
I'm confused about cloture and all that. But at least I got word of the position of McCain on Webb's amendment.
This motherfucker is the worst of the worst (excuse my French). He knows much much better and he knows he's endangering soldiers' lives. Fuck this motherfucker.
Sure we do. Chimpy was in a school in Florida learning to read. Now, why the secret service didn't rush him away to an undisclosed location when the country was under attack still baffles me. It's as if they already knew where the planes were gonna crash.
Watching and listening to this wet rag talk is enough to cause convulsive vomiting. However, my point would be WHO in the f*ck is he referring to when he talks about "Americans would be ..." in regards to offering our military a humane treatment to being sent to rot and die for NO CAUSE in a desert, 4000 miles from their home and families??
This guy is absolutely disgraceful. He deserves a first class tar and feathering from his constituents. I'll bet the good people of Connecticut are so proud of this loser about now.
Thanks for the info site monitor. I was beginning to think I was losing it. Earlier today there was a mccain post up for a couple of minutes and then I never saw it again. So when this happened I'm thinking, okay I have totally lost my mind.
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Lieberman's whole reason for living is watching people he's not related to die overseas. No ammount of bloodshed is ever enough for him
I think this is Lieberman's way of paying back the CT Dems who voted him out in the primary. He's so over the top -- it's like he's saying, "If you think I was a chickenhawk Bush tool before ... you ain't seen nuthin' yet, suckas!"
So let me get this straight... Jim Webb wants to sponsor a bill that will have the effect of maybe getting our troops out of a meat grinder.... And Joe Lieberman says no... Give our troops a break!!??? Stop trying to get them out of a meat grinder!!???
How does just leaving them in the meat grinder give them a break exactly... I'd really like to know how that logic works.....
I'd also like to know how someone like Lieberman can even be holding office at this late date given his track record... But that ones on the citizens of PA... They're going to have to figure that one out themselves.. I got enough issues with the state of my birth (Ohio) and my current adopted state of the last 20 some years (California)... to deal with.....JD
Ok, The worrisome thing is this:
Lieberman ran as an independent yet is a Senate democrat.
What do you think the repubs will be doing in important races around the country in
'08?
Lieberman has shown you can throw a race pretty easily and stay in by running Independent. Had he NOT done this he wouldn't be a senator anymore and Connecticut
for sure would have a democratic senator.
He's living proof for other threatened republicans around the nation (and there are many)
they can deal from the bottom of the deck by throwing better talent (of the people's choosing) out and keeping their miserable seats, to our misery.
By the way, the Independent Party of connecticut is kicking him out of their party for using them and betraying their philosophical platform.
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Despite recent comments, Domenici and Lugar voted against. Anyone surprised?
I want Martinez to explain to the good folks in Florida WTF he thinks he's up to with this vote.
Here in Minnesota we had a Guardsman a couple months ago who blocked the East-West interstate across the state for several hours in a rural standoff until the cops shot him dead.
The local MSM reported that this family said he was looking forward to his second tour of Iraq in just a couple weeks. Hey, who you going to believe? Darned shame he wasn't able to hang in there for just two weeks so he could have gotten his wish, eh?
Now. ..
Why isn't every Democrat within 50 miles of a camera on TV right now talking about how the Republicans are turning their backs on the troops in a time of war? Where are theY
Oh yea. . . they are shitty at coordinated messaging. . . . They didn't get the polls back yet to see if they should.. . . they have no skills at helping to frame a public conversation. . . did I miss anything?
smchris @ 34:
Geez...that is a terrible shame for the young man's family. Another result of this insane war and overworked soldiers. And if any of you reading this are active or vets, thank you for the courage which our "leaders" do not show.
I just couldn't do it. I was going to watch the clip of this hypocritical gasbag. But I just couldn't bring myself to do it.
I say Thank you for lieberman or however you spell it..It such an embarrassment having Bush and LBJ from Texas.
Also it was reported about a silent agreement with Lugar and Domenici, they could say what they needed to stay in office, yet go along the party line.
When you have the campaign backers making money with this war how can we ever stop it? Don't ever think they care about you or your family.
Where is the Democrat indignation?
"[W]hen in a war does Congress step in and tell the military what it’s personnel policy should be?"
Senator Lieberman, you left out a step. Congress, and only Congress, can declare war. It didn't. As much as it feels like a war to your average groundpounder and the population of central Iraq, it ain't a war. It's an occupation. It was preceded by an invasion.
Step 1: invasion.
Step 2: occupation.
Step 3: Well, hey, what? Allow chaos to reign in the place? Stick around for the subsequent civil war? Establish a corrupt "democratic" government? Bribe it into passing an oil law, written in Houston, Texas, which favors international oil interests while screwing the people of Iraq? Take a dump on Antonio Taguba when he does his job and points out that prisoner abuse was out of control and was permitted and even encouraged by people high in the chain of command?
All this and much, much more have taken place since your "war" started. As a result, we have many more enemies - people who want to kill Americans - than when we invaded. Not fewer.
Helluva way to fight a "war". Helluva way to support the troops. The military is bending, and near breaking. I do not say that lightly. And I'm not alone in saying it.
Jim Webb knows it. He knows it because he lived it, in the fucking mud and blood of our last undeclared "war". He's trying to prevent another monumental disaster from weakening our military.
Dwight Eisenhower tried to warn us. We didn't listen.
Your mendacity sickens me, Senator Lieberman. Have you no shame? Stick your "war" where the sun don't shine, Senator. I'm sick of watching people die for your Crusade, and for our bloody empire.
I so totally agree that our "Second" party is either stupid or as bad as the conservatives. What the hell is going on???
Wish just one paper, maybe McClatchy will publish the list and who voted and how. If just a few Americans wake up and join with those of us already mad as hell. It should be on the front page !!!!
Damn! Why am I not suprised the Kit Bond(MO) voted to kill this ammendment? Throw that treasonas SOB out of office!
Sorry for bringing so many Republicans into my rant. I used to be one.
they should give the troops a break.
WHAT?
Break an arm or a leg? Or maybe one of each?
Is this more support for our toops.
Yep. a nice, dog-day filibuster is in order. NOW.
Whatever it takes to shut this shit down.
May I suggest that everyone take a moment and contact Senator Webb's office and let him know we are appreciate him walking up this muddy hill alone. You can find a phone number on his webb site.
It doesn't hurt to let him know WE are watching. It has to be very lonely being the only one in that cesspool who speaks for our military.
Lieberman is a Narcissist.
I will go to his "Webb site" hee hee, already talked to my senator, Tennessee's Bob Corker's office, politely of course. Bogus filibusters SUCK.
"when in a war does Congress step in and tell the military what it’s personnel policy should be?”
Probably since the adoption of the Constitution, containing Art. 1 Sec. 8, which expressly gives CONGRESS the power:
"To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; . . ."
No distinction is made between peace and war.
A sensitive man would be embarrassed to make the kind of ignorant comments that issue forth from Lieberman's mouth on a daily basis, but he seems not to notice what an idiot he is.
this is very sad, but what's sadder is that it shows, yet again, that the Democrats could have prevented a LOT of the mess we are in but DID NOTHING....
Lieberman loves sacrificing our troops.
I would really not want to hear about any repug 'breaking with the prezknothead' on Iraq.
Sheehan should run against Reid.
Hey US Troops! Have fun in Iraq. You'll be going back again and again and again and then some. Republicans support the troops, now go back to iRaq.
Man, the frustrating part about this is that it WORKS! There are people out there that actually believe that you are supporting the troops by giving them a pay cut and putting them in combat longer! it is so frustrating how little logic means now. People cant seem to think, so the collective of ignorant douchebags known as the republican party tells these people "democrats dont support the troops" - and people believe it. I know, that's stating the obvious - but when you have uneducated racist lying wastes of human flesh like limbaugh out there just pounding away propaganda like it was Vicodin, this is what happens.
Reich wing fascists say they support the troops but in reality they support the death of our troops and only use them as a prop in their pictures. What is wrong with the Dems that they are not on every news show telling the American people just how the Repuglithugs DO NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS THEY SUPPORT WAR?
Ya know, I think we've created a whole new Wikipedia definition entry:
Joe Lieberman - A fine example of a sycophantic ass-kisser totally full of shit.
i have e-mailed several republican congressmen asking" if your homeland security chief has a feeling that we will be attacked this summer, why would you vote not to give national gurard longer time at home. if they are home maybe we would have more protection against an attack. is this why i cannot feel safe with republicans in charge of homeland security? why not e-mail or call all the republicans that voted against this amendment and ask why.
helen kenney
helen kenney @ 57:
I have just done the same and hope more will follow your lead..
Jack Damage @ 30:
Umm....that would be "the citizens of CT" on the LIEberwoman thing. We folks in PA had our problems with Ricky "ManDog" Santorum, and we took care of THAT fundie last year!
How many falsehoods can Lieberman make in such a short span? New enlistment is way down. Supporting the troops means not letting them die needlessly. Bush canned his generals who advised against his "surge." Supporting Bush's policy has nothing to do with "supporting the troops." In fact, the majority of them oppose it! Lieberman is just trotting out the same old authoritarian demagogery - do what you're told, and don't question us, or you're not a patriot. Enough people have died for Bush and Lieberman's vanity.
Navy vet;
You're right, my bad, I apologize to all you folks in Pa... Ct, gave us holy Joe... Wasn't even a typo, I just brainfarted during the rant... JD
Loserman needs to get a fuckin life, Thank God I Supported Ned Lamont over this traitor.
Quoth Lieberman:
This guy's nuts. 'Member how long he hung in the Przntl primaries? And could never admit he'd lost? An unhealthy persistence, minimum.
CT Voters....
You poor, poor bastards...
azbill @ 55:
Leiberman received a deferment for Vietnam. But he is more than happy to send your family members to Iraq for Israel, but of course not his own children. Suit your kids up Joe stop sending other Americans and Iraqi people to their deaths for Israel....Enough!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Lieberman
Lieberman never served in the military. A spokesperson told the Hartford Courant in 1994 that Lieberman received an educational deferment from the Vietnam War draft when he was an undergraduate and law student from 1960 to 1967. Upon graduating from law school at 25, Lieberman qualified for a family deferment as he was already married and had one child.[10]
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I'm so tired of Lieberman and his ilk speaking of the soldiers in Iraq like they are the Bad News Bears or something. They cast them almost as a sports team whose home town has stopped believing they can win who is now in the game of their lives and their manager, who doesn't understand them, is going to make them come home without the trophy they just know they can win. Possibly a good mode of "reasoning" given the U.S. fanaticism with sports and general mental laziness.
seth @ 67:
That's a good analogy.
Holy Joe’s logic is maddening Is this not the guy of whom Stephen Colbert so brilliantly said Lieberman wants us to stop the warring in Washington so we can fight the war in Iraq peacefully. I know this thread is coming in for a landing but I had to state that for the record.
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