Frederick Of Hollywood Slammed By Republican Evangelical Leader
By Logan Murphy Friday Sep 21, 2007 8:36am
AP Via The Huffington Post:
James Dobson, one of the nation's most politically influential evangelical Christians, made it clear in a message to friends this week he will not support Republican presidential hopeful Fred Thompson.
In a private e-mail obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, Dobson accuses the former Tennessee senator and actor of being weak on the campaign trail and wrong on issues dear to social conservatives.
"Isn't Thompson the candidate who is opposed to a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, believes there should be 50 different definitions of marriage in the U.S., favors McCain-Feingold, won't talk at all about what he believes, and can't speak his way out of a paper bag on the campaign trail?" Dobson wrote.
"He has no passion, no zeal, and no apparent 'want to.' And yet he is apparently the Great Hope that burns in the breasts of many conservative Christians? Well, not for me, my brothers. Not for me!" Read more...
When you lose Dobson, you've lost the base of the Republican Party. Looks like Freddie's going to have to rent his old red pick'em up truck again and drive his behind to church. If Thompson thinks he can waltz through this campaign without talking about his, or anyone else's religion, he's delusional.
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"Frederick Of Hollywood"
cracks me up every time I see it
I would not vote for Freddie but not having Dobsons support does make him a more attractive candidate. Still not sexy though.
I am so sick of James Dobson and his golden shower agenda. When will he join Jerry Fallwell and D. James Kennedy in Hell where he belongs?
Freddy said yesterday at the NRA meeting that our right to own a gun comes from God.
I think he may be a bigger idiot than the one who sits in the oval office now. He's like the turkey in the Chevy Chase Christmas movie. Stick a fork in him and he will explode and have nothing inside but hot air, dust and dry overcooked meat.
The guy who came up with the bright idea of running Freddy Thompson must be a Peter Sellers fan.
Thompson has "Chauncy Gardener" written all over his ugly mug.
A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA-HOHOHOHOHOH-HEHEHEHEHEHEEEEE!!! Too funny!
I love it when these Nutjob Neo-Con-men tear eachother apart! Perfect!
Personally I think the repubs have given up the televangelists for the easier to control tele-prophets, namely Hannity, Rush, BillO, Beck (the pseudo Ted Haggert!) et al. The "old school" at least pretended to listen to their congregations, as the money came directly from them. The new guys get their money indirectly from the plebeians and thus are easier to feed text to be regurgitated.
Gun control is awesome.
I mean if 5 million jews had been armed in the 1930's then something bad might have happened.
[...] David Kravets wrote a cool post today Here’s a teaserAP Via The Huffington Post:. James Dobson, one of the nation’s most politically influential evangelical Christians, made it clear in a message to friends this week he will not support Republican presidential hopeful Fred Thompson. … [...]
A true devotee to the teachings of Satan isn't running yet. Just wait...
I think Dobson's influence is sinking--just like Bush's. They're going down together in tandem. Can you keep him in the US? We don't want his type in Canada.
The Dobsons are losing their crowd appeal. I think more and more people are seeing them for what they really are, politicians.
Now Fred's going to have to rent a small Vegas-style chapel to put in the back of his rented pickup. A small price to pay to restore his Christian street cred.
Evangelicals Also Charge: FRED THOMPSON NOT ONLY A LOBBYIST, BUT A ‘HOBBYIST,’ FOR ABORTIONS
I don't get it. Isn't it good when candidates don't bow down to the religious right? Good for Thompson...not that I'd vote for him.
The christian conservatives will support whoever they're told to support--it's in their Bobble.
Wow. One after another, sometimes two at a time, the anointed darlings of the GOP are self-destructing. First it was McCain, who is picking up speed as he falls, the lead weight of the Iraq War and the Bush Embrace dragging him down. He's missed all his fundraising goals this year and is hip-deep in debt. Then Mitt Romney strapped a dog to the top of his car, and was a Mormon. Then Giuliani "misspoke" regarding his gun control stance, way back in the past, and had to quantum leap forward to correct himself before he fucked up his chances at the Presidency, and now Hollywood Fred "Lurch" Thompson is having trouble disguising not only the bolts on his neck, but also the pentagram seared on his chest when he went to work for the Senior Partners.
Looks like the GOP might try to run Mike Huckabee, Alan Keyes, or John Cox. (??? -- I don't know who he is either, but he participated in at least one debate). Or maybe they'll try to resurrect Newt Gingrich, who can proceed to become as fucking unpopular as he was in the 1990's. But maybe he'll divorce the GOP on their deathbed like he did his wife and go Independent.
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I would think the Dobsons of the world would be all about Huckabee. He's a baptist minister, doesn't believe in evolution and he has a bit-o-charm about him. Wonder why they don't talk more about him?
I heard Newt interviewed and he didn't rule out running. The frightening thing about him is that he is smart. Not good, but smart.
the name Frederick of Hollywood bothers me..sorry....but when I hear or read that name..I see beautiful women in skimpy underwear.......and then......ughhhhhhhhhhhhh!
pissed off patricia @ 11:
agreed...they are exposing themselves for what they really are...behind the curtain politicians....
Notice he never says anything to his "sisters" because women aren't worth talking to. We're just breeding machines to people like that. Why do those sort of people even have a platform in the 21st century? Dobson is no better than Fred Phelps. No better! But people pay attention to him like he's not stark, raving mad.
Whats the matter, not enough PRO WAR TALK? Not enough BLOOD on this cuffs?
Al Gore was the last smart politician Tennessee gave us. The rest of them are dumb as post. Fred Thompson is apparently lazy as well as stupid.
Rove used these people to get bush elected. I think that is starting to sink in with a lot of Americans, even the ones who were "used". A whole lot of Americans call themselves religious and go to church on Sunday. What a great bloc of people to use to do your bidding. Rove is evil but he was smart enough to pull that scheme off very well. Now most Americans see that tactic giving them the worst president in their lifetime. Don't think it will work again for many years, if ever.
pissed off patricia @ 18:
He's well-educated and well-spoken. That reflects his background, not his nature.
Smart, to me, means learns quickly and understands without much handholding. Newt deliberately misunderstands how things are because he's got an egomaniacal vision of how things ought to be and he, as utterly desperately unqualified in morals and character as he is, is at the center of it all.
Didn't Dobson condemn Guliani a few months back and say somthing like, "I will never vote for Rudy Guliani...?"
Who exactly does Dobson support?
Conservative social wingnuts can stay home election day.
Even so, the dems will probably do everything they can to lose.
I agree with slippytoad....Newt is morally bankrupt.and what kind of name is that?
Was Dobson addressing a male-only audience? Or does he consider women to be his "brothers?" Strange reference, coming from the head of Focus on the Family.
I can't say it enough "KEEP RELIGION OUT OF OUR POLITICS" I'm so sick of these so called religious people who want to shove their brand of religion down everyone else's throat. Jesus would so ashamed of them using his name like this.
There is only one valid definition of marriage in a progressive society: A bond of social union between consenting adults.
The white trash conservatives can't stand the idea that any definition of marriage might not be anything but an exclusive club for spiritual supremacists.
So Dobson was only addressing his male fawning robots and not his female fawning robots? I guess the only members who count in Focus on the Family, and among his radio audience are the menz
quite illustrative actually
The Colorado Springs caveman did a great job mugging White Said Fred in that email. Margaret Carlson's ex lover= punk'd
"If Thompson thinks he can waltz though this campaign without talking about his, or anyone else's religion, he's delusional." What a very sad commentary on the state of our nation. Religion should not be a part of our national political discourse. America was supposed to be a sanctuary for people of all faiths or no faith, in which daily political life was not to governed by anyone's god. Unfortunately, we have allowed our country to be hijacked by religious hypocrites of the highest order, and we are paying a very high price.
Dobson vs. Thompson
This was the only good story I've seen in days; probably because we're not discussing Dems -- SUCK.
Anyway, Dobson is clearly loosing his following and Thompson is a complete joke. For that matter all 2008 GOPers are a complete joke. In a way they truly need each other. Thompson needs Dobson's mailing list, and Dobson needs a reason to exist, creating another boogie-man always helps. The bottom line is their in fighting will further divide their base, and that's a good thing. Perhaps it will encourage one or more GOPers to actually grow a brain cell and ask why they ever blindly followed Mr. I'm not really a preacher I just like acting like one, Dobson.
Gary @ 8:
And if it weren't for gun control laws, the Nazi's probably would have gained power alot sooner as they could have instigated an armed coup instead of going through legal channels. Besides which, their wasn't any sort of organized resistance movement in Germany in the first place to actually fight Nazi Germany (in places like France of course it did exist). In other words, without an organization to focus attacks against the German states, guns wouldn't have changed their fate the fate of Jews. Unless of course the Jews were to hawk the weapons in order to pay for passage out of Germany while they able to do so.
Gun Control is just a wedge issue that should mean little towards elections if people didn't get so emotional about the issue. No poilitician is really going to ban your handgun/rifle/shotgun and no one is going to really provide everyone unrestricted access to every weapon imaginable.
As for Dobson and his pals, it looks like the Religious Right has become nearly irrelevent for a while. The type of candidate that the religious right approves of doesn't even appear likely to make it through Republican Primaries much through the general elections. The days when the Fundy White Christian holds an large enough organized voting block to decide elections appear to be over for now.
I also find the idea absurd the idea of the marriage act. It's pure hypocrisy when that anyone in a party that claims to be an advocate of states right would seek to deny states the right to define marriage the way they choose to. At least Freddie isn't a hypocrite in that particular manner considering how much a state's right advocate he claims to, I'm still waiting for him to support the legalization of drugs based off the same principles of states rights though (which of course will happen when hell freezes over).
I never thought that Thompson had a snowball's chance in hell.
The guy is 65, looks 90.
His daughter, who's young enough to be his daughter, reminds me of a stripper....which the Repuke women in the so-called "heartland" aren't going to like.
The Repug field is pretty piss poor.
Gary @ 8:
Gun control is awesome.
I mean if 5 million jews had been armed in the 1930’s then something bad might have happened.
Gary gets more stupid every day.
I heard Newt interviewed and he didn’t rule out running. The frightening thing about him is that he is smart. Not good, but smart.
Too bad for Newt that everyone hates his guts.
If Thompson thinks he can waltz through this campaign without talking about his, or anyone else’s religion, he’s delusional
You reap what your party has sown, Freddie! It's unfortunate that we (you) have to talk about religion in politics at all, but you married up to it my dubious curmudgeon.
Dobson - "Isn’t Thompson the candidate who is opposed to a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage, believes there should be 50 different definitions of marriage in the U.S".
So, Dobson wants something so personal as marriage standardized, regulated and controlled by our Federal Government.
He is using arguments that old line communists like Lenin and Stalin used. Centralize and regulate everything under big brother - the central government.
Now I know. Dobson is a Stalinist.
Not that it isn't fun watching these guys tear each other apart, but a candidate should be able to waltz through an election without talking about his religion. Wasn't that one of the founding principles of this country? Anybody gives the finger to Dobson, even dumb-ass Fred, and I'm happy. I only wish the Democrats would.
white trash conservatives
Dobson - He on likes the menz!
What Dobson has to say about issues is of no interest to me. He can and will go to hell.
Over the last 6 years, think of all the blood that has been spilled, all the destruction, the worry, the agony, the torture...and everything else his tools in the government have caused.
And "marriage" is at the forefront of his tiny little brain.
What a putrid, disgusting man. Dobson, just shut up.
It's such a joy to watch the GOPS lose, one by one, every voting block they might have won (e.g. neocons, Christer fascist fundamentalists) even as they shun those they might, at least in part, have won over (e.g. blacks and Hispanics). Who gives a flying fuck what the Rev Dobson thinks, about Thompson or anyone else. To hear Richard Land tell it, none of these special interest groups are going to vote for (Salvatore) Giuliani; Christers don't trust Mormons, which leaves out Snit Rommey, and McCain is so far down in the polls (and so despised for his Iraq positions), he's ready to be taken off the grill. Now that Hillary and Obama have entered into a secret pact for the latter to become the former's veep running mate, the Dems would appear a shoo-in. But are we really ready for a female prez whose veep is a heartbeat away -- and black? These two will take very few votes in the South, although it's to be admitted that in the big labor and liberal states of the Northeast and perhaps California, they could make a go of it. I'll be watching the election results to see what becomes of the Arch Shitheads in congress, including, especially, Linsie Glam and Bitch McComical.
Amitola @ 33:
The Republican marriage of wealthy, immoral parasites feeding like ticks on the blood of our nation, with wealthy, self-proclaimed scions of moral authority, always had its flaws. On the one hand the self-indulgent rich did whatever obscene, ridiculous, immoral things they wanted to and got away with it. See OJ Simpson for the tip of THAT iceberg. On the other hand the "prophets" of our societal doom sternly warned us that lust and materialism, and a lack of Jaaaaysus Chriaaast in our lives was leading us to Hell. Of course those prophets themselves were becoming decadently rich from all those Social Security checks being signed over to them by frightened old ladies.
But the Evangelical movement itself, daddy-centered and in desperate need of control, order, authority, and direction, could coexist with the child-centered Rich Kidz Klub when they had a common and sufficiently weakened enemy: liberals. In an America distracted by false crises and over-inflated enemies from abroad, liberals were the backstabbing surrender-monkeys on the inside. The Jews of 20th Century America, as it were. Smarter, better at business, technocrats and intellectuals -- all character traits both halves of the right wing despised -- we were the rats infesting the soul of America. For awhile after the fall of the Soviet Union there was no one for us to betray the United States to, and right-wingers foamed indignantly as they waited for an enemy to attack. Finally, thugs across the nation crowed in virtual ecstasy as their incompetent President failed to prevent the worst terror attack on U.S. soil ever. Vigorously jacking themselves off to their war porn, thugs declared that America was returning to God, and that Ours Was Bigger Than Theirs. At last, Liberals who took three seconds to think for themselves could immediately and conveniently be labeled as traitors.
But something funny happened on the way to Total World Domination. It turns out that Evangelicals leaders aren't very smart people and have terrible ideas about how to govern a nation. And that rich people have no clue what a real democracy needs. And that large overlapping segments of the population react negatively to being neglected, terrorized by their government, and insulted by the D.C. cocktail circuit. And that when faced with a REAL confrontation the Right-Wing machine, always full of piss and vinegar on paper when talking tough about smacking down liberals, don't seem to be able to actually stand up to a cold recitation of the facts. Every time a fact leaks out about what these imbeciles are doing, they sink like a stone in the public's opinion. And now fighting for their very existence to both fit into the same poorly-tailored invincible suit of the Aw-shucks regular/sensible guy who just talks plain and knows what's going on that all Republicans try to wear, they have realized that they don't both fit. For one thing their suits aren't well-made for a wide stance. For another you can't cut the shit out of the back to fit it for wings. And it doesn't look very natural in a little red pickup truck, especially when you've still got your carpet bag still chained to your wrist. Also it doesn't hide dogs on the roof very well, and there are bulges all over it from the gun holsters, so when some people put it on it looks funny and flat 'cause there are no guns under his suit -- he banned 'em all. Also it fails to hide long, straight-talking noses, and it looks terrible with a flak jacket and 100 soldiers in a square in Baghdad.
At any rate, I'm still reminded the title of my favorite chapter of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. At least I think that's where I read this chapter title. Drink it in:
The Wolves Devour Each Other
Let's just hope they don't devour the rest of us while they're at it.
Terry C - I Hate Bush @ 36:
Wouldn't his daughter by definition have to be young enough to be his daughter :-)
As far as I'm concerned, despite the Democrats tendency to pull failure out of the jaws of victory, the presidential election has all but been decided in the Democrats favor at this point. It would take a series of very unlikely events to give the election to one of these Republican assclowns after the dissatisfaction they have generated so far. Of course patience with the democrats is running pretty low, but I expect they will be given one more chance in 2008 to prove that they actually worth anything before people start going for a third party instead of dealing with the useless Democrats.
Dobson - He only likes the menz!
Isn't religion supposed to stay out of politics? It's time for James Dobson to shut the fuck up or lose his tax exempt status!
...can’t speak his way out of a paper bag on the campaign trail?
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I happen to agree. Thompson can't speak and doesn't talk about anything substantive. He's another empty suit like the rest of the repug field. I hope he gets the nomination.
Look at the size o' them lips. Looks lahk he cin git Bush's whole package in there. Even the photoshopped one. Then his mission will be accomplished.
Dobson - member of the GOP, Greedy Oily Pedophile party
snark snark
don't forget that we are talking politics, and as the old saying goes, politics makes strange bedfellows. There is an unspoken never say never clause in all of these peoples contracts. If Fred Thompson is the republican candidate and Hillary Clinton is the democratic candidate, who do you think Dobson will be holding up as the shining example for all "christians" to vote for? Dobson is a lot of hot air. He thinks he's got the republicans by the short hairs, but the fact is they are stuck with one another. It's a marriage made in hell.
I am not sure if I am allowed to do this, so forgive my potential breech of etiquette, but The Beast just slams Fred.
http://buffalobeast.com/119/thompson.htm
It's surprising that the religious right (refuse to call them Christians) never coalesced around Huckabee, Brownback, or even Tancredo. Dobson must see them as unable to win. They have lots to dislike about Giuliani (Catholic, waffled on abortion, multiple marriages, those pics), and Romney's out because of being a Mormon. They agree with us seculars that McCain is a whore willing to say anything and nuts on top of it all. Now Fred has refused to kiss the ring. I think Gingrich will enter the race soon, and he has kissed the ring and gone on evangelical tv to repent and be saved.
Rove is supposed to be backing Fred too, and Dobson may be pissed off about the remarks made about the religious right last year.
re: #51
LMAO @ Mr Ed!!!
Yawn. Dobson will get the memo from the higher ups and support Thompson whole hog if Frederick gets the nomination. Dobson said all of this because he doesn't expect that to happen. If it does be prepared to witness one of the most public flip flops in history.
Dobson=Satan
57.
Republicans and religious nuts never flip flop. They never admit to having had any other opinion at all, no matter how much evidence there is. and their followers believe them. Of course it is always easier when someone else carry's the brain for you.
Awesome! The rest of America thinks the pandering to the extreme religious right by the like of Thompson has gone too far, while the extreme religious right is going to take away votes for not going far enough.
Win-Win!
Amitola @ 33:
man, those people are gonna be freaked out when they discover GOD HATES AMERICA and
wipes us off the face of the Earth with inclimate weather and/or economic ruin - because,
after all, God is the one who created all these things (if one believes in religious fairytales,
as all of those chizz-umps such as Dobson claim that they live by; the literal word that God
created EVERYTHING - managing to bypass the inevitable logic, then, that God also created
homosexuals and other things the "Christians" don't like) and it's God's right to pack up
God's toys whenever it gets too boring to play with them! ;-)
fuck them, they can't pick and choose what God did, does, says, or desires from mankind.
anyway God is dead - killed off by TV and buried by the internets!!!
Lord of Karma @ 35:
The Nazi's alone would never have been able to overthrow the german government via the use of weapons. Their numbers weren't nearly strong enough and they'd had been overpowered with ease. However, had the majority of people sympathised with them, then the people would have been able to rise up against the government if that was the will of the people, and had they felt there was the need to.
I agree with you though on this being a wedge issue. The NRA wants to allow people to own RPG's and nuclear missiles, whilst some on the left are pushing for European style gun laws which are ridiculous. Personally, I believe that everyone should be allowed to arm themselves to a reasonable degree, and so long as nobody infringes on my right to protect myself, I'll be fine.
Besides, how can anyone be against gun control in this day and age of militarised police and martial law.
Fred Thompson is a former actor with a conservative pedigree, a folksy manner, no particular religious beliefs, and a younger wife with her own background in show business. Who ever said such a person could ever get elected to high office?
Oh, that's right. I forgot.
Oh, yeah...him, too.
slippytoad @ 46:
This was great. That is all.
V V
Hope that burns in the breasts of many conservative Christians?
Hey, stick to burning books, you asshole.
Capabilty Jones @ 5:
Yes, a Peter Sellers fan twice over.
All Fred needs to do is have a sudden awakening of conviction and do a little groveling at the feet of the prophet like Newt Gingrich did.
I think Thompson is a know-nothing actor, so he can read lines ... BFD
But Dobson ... the man is more evil than Robertson and Falwell combined. All these religious twits make me more afraid for America than ANYTHING else. They preach Fear and Hatred and are so against Science and Learning. Their motto seems to be "Keep America Stupid". These are the Flat-Earth, 6000 years old humanity jerks who want our kids to believe that man and Dinosaurs lived together in the garden of eden.
Makes my fucking skin crawl.
mudshark @ 19:
if ughhhhhhhhhhhhh means fred's face, I agree......ughhhhhhhhhhhhh!
yeah, but which of the mainstream GOP candidates will get Dobson's nod anyways? Only Huckabee has any chance of that...
Can't say I give a rats ass either way... Dobsons' a dick and so is Thompson.... JD
I love it! So who are the fundies going to back? Ghouliani isn't their man, Romney's a Mormon, and now this? I guess there will be a lot of fundies staying home next year in November.
As an atheist I say, Thank God! :)
#63 In the interest of accuracy - Thompson is a working actor, former politician. His young wifes background is in politics.
Dobson is to America what the Ayatollah is to Iran. Thankfully he doesn't have the power here the Ayatollah does there.....at least as long as we can keep the Christian-O-fascists of the GOP out of power.
I assume he will be dragging his tired ass back to Hollywood and I hope that the folks in charge of casting that happen to be gay that this man did not stand up for you.
jack jett
DonkeyKong @ 66:
If Dobson had his way we would still be burning books and witches, lynching negros, beating gays to death and beheading any heretic who questioned the bible. The biggest threat to America comes not from the Islamofacists from without but rather from the ChristianOfascists from within, for the latter is allowed to operate with immunity from within our borders. Who knows when the next conservative terrorist a la Tim McVeigh or Eric Rudolph will kill Americans again. Don't look to the GOP to stop them though, this is their base and they inflame them every chance they get. The blame for the Americans killed by conservative terrorists McVeigh and Rudolph lay at the feet of the GOP as much as it does with killers themselves for they inflame these people for their own political gain.
The GOP = Party of Death and Destruction at Home and Abroad.
I think "Facelift Fred" has a much better ring to it. I mean considering how much grief Edwards gets for his haircuts, Fred ought to get at least some digs for his facecuts.
great. now gopers will be able to claim their support for Fred somehow represents a shift away from the extreme right position of the party for so long - the "pragmatic" (lol) wing of the party will spin Fred up into some kind of centrist savior, and his critics into unrealistic ideologue radicals who want terrorists to rape our babies. katie courics, of course, will be obliged to swallow with a smile while they report what kind of pickup truck Fred was in at his photo-op.
scarier still - a bunch of sports-page-only dimwits, in an effort to look like they've been thinking about anything besides their golf game and the neighbor's daughter's repslendent rack, are going to gang up, into a juggernaut of reckless and relentless mediocrity, and try to put that sadsack over the top
scariest of all - they could actually accomplish that.
I don't even think he's a serious candidate. I think he's a planned-GOP-distraction, so base GOP-ers vote for someone eminently "more sensible" like Ghouliani or Double-Gitmo. 'Frederick of Hollywood' (tee hee) is a ruse; a clever distraction. (See Tom Tomorrow for news about that.)
http://economicramble.blogspot.com/
I make fun of Fred Thompson on my latest blog post, the guy is not running a serious campaign, it's all a setup to the ABC radio job that he wants.
http://economicramble.blogspot.com/
Mike
79 - that's what i thought about Ronnie Raygun when they trotted him out, back in the "early springtime of my discontent"
RP at 76. I agree with you that Dobson's gang of
christianist fundies pose a much greater threat to America than Islamic fundies. I hope there's someone tailing Dobson to get the goods on this dangerous fraud. (Though doubtful that his followers would turn away, given their ongoing devotion to the abyssmal failings of shrub.)
So far Dobson has rejected Rudi because he a a hell-bound Mary Worshiper that gets his orders from the Whore of Rome. And, besides, the guy has been married 3 times- one too many.
Dobson has dismissed McCain for good reason, although I don't remember what it was. Probably when he said the Christianist zealots were poisoning American discourse?
Dobson has dissed Mitt because the LDS Cult (Mormons) is a ridiculous made-up butchery of Christianity. I know, I know, but Dobson claims to descern a meaningful difference from his brand and he don't like it.
Now, Dobson has crapped all over The Sheeple's Candidate, Fred Dogface Thompson. All because, like GWB, Thompson claims Christian status without belonging to any congregation or really buying a word of it. Besides, the guy is as ugly as 10 miles of bad road.
So, which of the Repug Dark Horses does Dobson favor? Which ones are evil or demented enough to get the thumbs' up?
no more reagans