Sen. Webb went on the offensive today and denounced the Lieberman/Kyl amendment as warmongering and a big fat, wet kiss to the “William the Bloody” Kristol wing of the GOP—including the star of the Neocons: Dick Cheney. Lieberman is setting the stage with all his Iran amendments that have the sole purpose of bringing the US into war with Iran. This must be defeated and I implore the Democratic Party to vote this down. A big shout out to Jim Webb for standing up against this amendment. Call your Reps…(We have a “Contact Congress” box on the lower right hand column)
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Webb: We are about to vote on something that may fundamentally change the way that the United States views the Iranian military, and we haven’t had one hearing. This is not the way to make foreign policy. It’s not the way to declare war, although this cleverly worded sense of the Congress could be interpreted that way.
Those who regret their vote five years ago to authorize military action in Iraq should think hard before supporting this approach, because in my view, it has the same potential to do harm where many are seeking to do good. The constant turmoil that these sorts of proposals and actions are bringing to the region is counterproductive. They are regrettable substitute for a failure of diplomacy by this Administration.
I do not believe that any serious student of foreign policy could support this amendment as it now exists.
This proposal is Dick Cheney’s fondest pipe dream. It’s not a prescription for success. At best, it’s a deliberate attempt to divert attention from a failed diplomatic policy. At worst, it could be read as a back door method of gaining congressional validation for action with one hearing or without serious debate.
TP has it as well….
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I wish I could have hope that it wouldn’t happen and they would vote it down, but that kind of hope is just about gone from my heart.
Thanks a lot Connecticut!
Cheney’s fondest pipe dream? I thought it was his fondest wet dream. I could be mistaken, though.
Boy, what a moonbat Webb is. He thinks he can use intellect and logic in a discourse with with senate Repubs. He thinks they’ll set aside their Doctrine of Emotional Kneejerkism and actually listen to reason.
Where do we find these guys?
(/snark)
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Deport Lieberman!!!
Go Claire McCaskill (D-MO) too:
This vote is the start of war with Iran:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/25/142657/484
Does anyone know how this amendment (and the MoveOn.org amendment) get introduced into the Senate? Dems are in the majority and control all committee chairman seats, so they should control what does or doesn’t (eventually) get introduced for votes on the Senate floor.
I can think of only two circumstances:
1) Liberman still is the Chair of the Homeland Security Committee. Is this his doing?
2) Reid is/continues to be a wuss, and for some reason I can’t fathom, agrees to let these Amendments onto the Senate Floor for a vote. What, being a nice guy? Getting Repub compromises/promises down the road? Keeping Dem “powder dry?” What?
Anyone know the story on how these absurd amendments are even showing up on our radar screen?
Sen. Webb says that “At best, [the Lieberman/Kyl Amendment is] a deliberate attempt to divert attention from a failed diplomatic policy.” You mean that there was a diplomatic policy?
Dear Connecticut,
Are you ashamed yet?
Sincerely,
America
Oh what a tangled Webb we weave…
ecotopian @ 4:
Depends on the type of pipe.
Habitat-Vic @ 9:
Because of the slim majority, Liebermans vote is a swing. So this scumbag, make believe who claims to be independent is actually just a tool of Cheney. We need a firm majority, 50 % wont do it, Then cheney can step in and be the tie-breaker. So we have to swing Republicans to our side.
He was brilliant. And right. Is it just me ? (from the TP link ) he speaks in the same fashion as Obama through out the first half of the clip.
I have this errie feeling that someday we’ll be looking back a this speech as the one more people wished they had paid attention to. I wonder if California could do an off season trade with Virginia. We’ll send them Diane Feinstein if they send us Jim Webb.
I hate Joe Lieberman.
How much is Lieberman worth? I’d like to buy him to promote my own agenda in the Middle East.
yet these phukkking moronic dems are not filibustering this, I bet dollars to donuts.
Fondest pipe dream?
Well maybe after his cut of the $8 billion disappeared into a
Swiss bank account.
The dems are more afraid of looking soft on terrorism than they are of doing what they damn well know is right. The repubs are afraid of not doing whatever the white house wants because they see that 30 percent that still support bush as important to their next election. Meanwhile, out country circles out of control as no one is thinking about what is best for the American people. Politics trumps intellect in this congress.
Bushhater,
I agree that Lieberman gets too much attention because he’s a swing vote. He wouldn’t have been made chair of Homeland Security committee if he wasn’t.
But that doesn’t answer how these amendments are getting onto the floor and/or how they are getting scheduled for votes. Cheney is the tiebreaker vote, but he doesn’t have any powers relative to introducing bills/amendments or scheduling votes. Those things are controlled by the Senate Majority Leader and the committee chairs (also Dem other than Lieberman).
Starting in 2002, the Senate Rules were rewritten to make it even harder for the minority party to get rules and amendments onto the floor for a vote. That was back when Repubs figured they were the “permanent majority.” Unless there is some bypass mechanism for appropriations bill (no cloture votes, for example), then this is another example of Reid being Mr. Nice Guy. Like I need another reason to be let down by Congressional Dems.
The US been using a terrorist organization (accd to our State Dept as it has killed US soldiers and civilians in the past) that we have been harboring inside Iraq to commit terrorist attacks inside Iran for years now.
Just a few of the attacks inside Iran committed by the MEK:
Eight killed in Iran bomb attacks
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor.....642170.stm
Bomb blasts hit Iran oil cities
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4754446.stm
Explosion kills 18 elite Rev. Guards of Iran
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....3600.shtml
Police, Insurgents Clash After Iran Bomb
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....23G0.shtml
And so on.
When the present supply as of high school students comes of age and are sent off to die in the eternal neocon Middle East War…remember who it was that sentenced your children to death, remember who it was who started the conflagration that has consumed our laws, our way of life, our dreams and our country, remember who it was that shat on your love of America and being an American, remember who it was that profited from your misery.
I wish Webb had been tough and/or brave enough to vote against the MoveOn resolution which basically condemned free speech.
Military Fatalities: By Time Period News Current Time in Baghdad: 12:07:04 AM
Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
6 714 40 6 760 3.22 236
5 933 32 20 985 2.39 412
4 715 13 18 746 2.35 318
3 580 25 27 632 2.93 216
2 718 27 59 804 1.9 424
1 140 33 0 173 4.02 43
Total 3800 170 130 4100 2.49 1649
The DEATH TOLL: another milestone reached!
Why don’t the republicans just a light a match to the constitution, they are eventually destroying it (what is left of it) anyway. There a few democrats with the spines to stop them. Just get it over with and stop this painful journey watching it happen. E
BaScOmBe @ 26:
Just commas on history. Right, Mr. President?
enor @ 27:
Get your passport now, avoid the end of year rush.
Duel citizenship my ass.That’s how we got here
Ooo ooo ooo…don’t tell me…let me guess…they’ll “debate” this amendment for a few days, make a few meaningless changes and the it’ll pass with a solid majority (about 70 votes.)
But don’t worry, because once the Democrats have the House, 60 senators, the presidency, the majority of governorships, the majority of federal, state and local judges, high school principals, city alderman, public library administrators and dog catchers, THEN they’ll start doing the right thing.
Until then, they have to bide their time.
Unless, of course, some Republican standing on a shoe box on Main Street calls them chicken, in which case they’ll HAVE to do whatever he wants.
Because, you know, can’t look soft on terror.
Liberal AND Proud @ 28:
Only the deaths on the combat field are counted. You can probably triple that number if you include the soldiers who died on the way to Germany, in Germany or in the stateside hospitals. If they are evacuated with a heartbeat it doesn’t add to the already obscene number of deaths. Support the troops - bring them home NOW!
Huzzah for Senator Webb ……!!
If Lieberman the Zionist wants to start another pre-emptive war , let him
enlist in the Israel Army and lead the first charge.
Nevada Bob
ecotopian @ 4:
I swear I thought Jim just barely caught himself there. He badly wanted to say ‘wet dream’. The Marine in him was battling the senator in him. “Say it! No! Say it! NO. SAY WET DREAM DAMNIT! I will NOT SIR! GOOD DAY!”
He should save it for his buddy Cornyn.
Senator Webb,
Why the fuck weren’t you this critical in your thinking and judgment when you voted to give these same neocons everything they wanted as regards FISA? You’ve got a lot of work to do if you hope to redeem yourself. You’re statements here are good, but you’ve got a long row to hoe.
Carmikl @ 16:
No shit! They can have Grandma Useless and we’d get an actual Senator! I say we drop Lieberman on Iran and see if we can take out a port-o-potty with his useless corpse.
pissed off patricia @ 1:
I called my Senator, Feinstein, anyway, so she’ll know in advance I won’t approve of her voting for it.
… After which the Democrat Congress promptly fell all over itself to give the president the authority he asked for ….
If we don’t have enough votes to defeat it, filibuster it! The Repugs don’t have any problem doing it.
I could post 30 more links just like I did above to where the US has by proxy been committing terrorist attacks inside Iran, especially targetting their Revolutionary Guard, but I already ate up enough bandwidth here making that point.
I will mention though that back in Dec when Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann wrote an op-ed for the NYT the Whitehouse forced them to redact all mentions of the US’s using the MEK terrorist group against Iran from it, so they published an accompanying piece “What We Wanted to Tell You About Iran” where they provided links to previously reported sources for all of the redacted info.
Rawstory put their clues all together here: The redacted Iran op-ed revealed
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2....._1222.html
So the neocons think it’s just fine to commit terrorist attacks against Iran but if they go so far as to supply any weaponry by proxy to attack back they are the terror org. They’ve been trying to provoke another war with Iran for years.
Iran’s revolutionary Guard isn’t a terrorist group and Iran isn’t our enemy. Our Whitehouse is.
Bush is Mad!
Invoke the 25th Amendment
http://elandslide.org/elandsli.....=madgeorge
I didn’t even know we had this. I’ve been wondering why there wasn’t a provision to get rid of an insane president and lo and behold we do.
wait lets get this straight Lieberman wants to declare an foreign army a terrerost organization. is he for real ? wake up america the real terrerist is Lieberman.
Song for Dick Cheney “Hey Dick Any More Brilliant Ideas?” on youtube and also here Call your senator and stop this resolution!
lieberman is not an American, he is a zionist working for israel. he deceived his state into electing him and he should be removed as an enemy combattant.
if this congress with a democratic majority gives in to go to war with iran than it’s time the American public take back our government. it’s mandated in the constitution that we do not let any tyrannical government take our government from us. the gop have pushed about as far as we are going to take it. it they want another “french style” revolution, then we are ready.