John Dean To Congress: Extend Statute Of Limitations On Torture Crimes
By Logan Murphy Wednesday Oct 03, 2007 9:15pm
On tonight's Countdown Former White House Counsel for Richard Nixon, John Dean, joined Keith Olbermann to discuss the recently revealed 2004 Bush DoJ secret memo endorsing torture. As always, Dean gets at the heart of the Bush administration crimes, giving a stellar rundown on their shameless behavior, shameful interpretations of the Geneva Conventions and their attempts to persuade Congress to change the laws in order to gain immunity for their crimes -- to which Dean adds:
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Dean: "...Not only should the congress not cede to their requests, they ought to extend the statute of limitations for another five years, make it a ten year statute of limitations so people would have vulnerability if these can be surfaced and dug out, because it's the only way to make the point that indeed, these are real laws. Otherwise it's a joke to even have them."
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Keith Rules!
I agree with John Dean. Extend the statute of limitations... it may take that long to completely unravel all the cr*p that this administration has been doing in secret. And then We as a country need to hold them accountable -- not before any global tribunal --- that is the only way that we will be able to restore the good name of the United States to it's former self.
You know what's scary here: part of me was hoping that Ashcroft didn't resign as AG. Thank you, Keith, for providing this vital service.
LibertyLover @ 2:
There should be no statute of limitations for torture. Period. Not in the USA I want to continue to live in.
Zlad! @ 4:
You said it! I'm also curious about the international court in The Hague... is there a statute of limitations where they couldn't or wouldn't go after these asshats in the white house for war crimes?
no statute of limitations for torture!
And Dana Perino (sp) is beginning to give me the willies
Now if the Dems weren't so spineless and had a clue they would do as John Dean suggests. I hope this comes to fruition so these thugs in the white house will see time in prison for their crimes - against the citizens and against humanity.
Im about as far left as you can get [NO YOU AREN'T-Sitemonitor] but i support torture is some cases
Clytemnestra @ 6:
As well she should. Dana is a Bush robot - crank her up, tell her what to say and she does as she is told. Her eyes are empty; her head is hollow. She's a "stepford Bushbot" and very scary.
Dustin @ 8:
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until these people are held accountable for their actions,
we are ALL just as guilty as they are.
Americans as the NEW "good Germans" referring of course
those who might have opposed the Nazis in the early 1930's
and didn't.. WE have enabled the torturers, we are guilty as well!!
WE owe it to the rest of the world, people.. if Dick Cheney
is allowed to retire, without prosecution, to go fishing with
those grandchildren.. well that would be a travesty of justice.
where is the outrage?? (must be something good on TV, huh?!)
what the hell ever happened to my country!!???
Dustin @ 8:
History shows that torture doesn't work, it yields fasle information.
Talk about outrage wheres the C&L post of this story
Marine may escape Haditha charge
An investigating officer has said no murder charges should be brought against a US marine accused of leading a massacre of Iraqi civilians.
kaT @ 11:
r u related to tancredo?
The only two POSSIBLE explainations for the White House response here are LYING or DIMENTIA...
That's our beloved federal government!
Horsethieves, bank robbers... and now despicable VERMIN too!
Zlad! @ 4:
There should be no statute of limitations period.
Yes, well what the Congress SHOULD do and what the Congress WILL DO is an entirely different matter. I agree that the statue should be extended but does anyone think that the Bush cabal is going to allow that? He will do everything in his power to prevent being held accountable for anything.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeldt, and all these criminals should be in jail. they are not working for America.
C&L I really hate the width of that yellow line. It has been months and months and I still can't get used to it. Just an OT thought.
I wish congress would listen to John Dean. His books and his articles on the findlaw site rule
Absolutely, indict and imprison these war criminals.
...
Orangutan. @ 19:
Unindicted War Criminals George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeldt, and all these criminals should be in jail. they are not working for America
IMPEACH!
Take Action. End this Madness. Take a little time.
Amnesty International
ACLU
You know the routine.
Dana Perino 15 yrs ago!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WALIARHHLII&mode=related&search=
That was Dana Perino 15 minutes ago!
Dustin @ 8:
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you are not far left or even left at all. matter of fact you're not center or center right. you are a ultra right wing nutter if you believe torture is "gee sort of o.k. sometimes".
you are though completely full of horse crap.
motorfingaz @ 26:
Jeebus, could you get a stupider person... what a hoot!
Dustin @ 8:
Satans little helper :)
i'm wondering if there's some international agency connected with the Hague and war crime tribunals to whom we can address a petition asking that they please PLEASE take our shameful war criminals away for trial and incarceration. i mean, if our lawmakers and courts won't do it ... someone else will have to.
**sigh** i've been embarrassed by my country's attitude and actions for almost 7 years now. the weight on the shame is really beginning to wear on me.
Go Dean. Extending the SOL on torture would in effect toll the time during which these Fox Republicans in office covered up their activities.
The Geneva conventions open to interpretation? What does she think it is, a freaking religious text?
has dana really ever read the geneva convention?
lies out of someone so attractive are still lies
uncle joe mccarthy @ 34:
If you were to mention the Geneva Convention to her, she would prolly remark that a convention in NY State(yes I know guys, the Geneva convention was written in Geneva Switzerland) has no bearing on US foreign policy
Dustin @ 8:
Funnily enough that is pretty much the attitude of Joesph Stalin.
You are kidding ..... right?
I am proud of all of you whom spoke up and confronted Dana on her right wing talking point....
I give so ticked off when they say, "I am a Democrat, or I am a liberal, but I think...and then say their right wing talking point.....
They mistakenly think we are as dumb as they are....no we think for ourselves....I.....
that @ 33:
I was wondering about that. Did she mean the whole works (Geneva Conventons), or one aspect of them? If it's the whole works, the Nazis are innocent. They interpretted them to mean gas and ovens were allowed, "to protect their country".
Anyway, pretty or not, she's one evil bitch. She drinking the Koolaid, shooting it up, inhaling it, and probably getting boned by someone too (but not Larry Craig.)
Dustin @ 8:
No, you're just a freak. Now beat it, you crumb!!
John Dean stating that Bush will push his agaenda even if it takes his Presedential ratings down to zero.
This is very troubling. That is the threshhold of a dictator.
The Democratic majority best understand what is at stake. There isn't any blackwater gated communitees safe enough for them to live comfortably in the aftermath from the zombie brain eater we will become.
Why hasn't Bush & Cheney been impeached yet ? Beyonce Welch - Americans say " No " to Fascism !
Sign #23,485,184 that this country is fucked: Someone who was a council to Richard motherfucking Nixon points out the abuse and illegal activity of the Bush administration.
I am sure Adolf and the dying Third Reich had immunity laws passed to shield its members,
we still had the Nuremberg trials after the end of WW2 and were hunting down small and large nazis until recently.
No matter what Bushco does to try to domesticaly limit their liabilitys,
once they step off a plane anywhere else in the world the become customers of the prosecutors and the international human rights laws.
I have such incredible outrage fatigue. Seems like people in this country have gotten to the point of being numb. The Bush administration is allowed to engage in unlawful behavior and destroy this country's reputation, so what else is new? No one does anything about it. Dana Perrino has the audacity to go before the press and lie her little a$$ off. The only way for this country to heal and begin to restore our integrity is to hold these criminals accountable, and so far, that's not happening. We are undoubtedly on the brink of Orwell's 1984.
Dustin @ 8:
Whenever, I mean WHENEVER, someone comes onto a board like this and prefaces a right-wing talking point defense with "I'm about as far to the left," or "I'm a lifelong Democrat," I tend to dismiss the entire rest of whatever it was they said.
You're a troll from some little green football field. Go back there and talk amongst yourself.
I bet Bush/Cheny get special video cuts of the torture, and jack-off watching it.
Dustin @ 8:
Once you support torture in any form for any situation, you are as far-right as it gets. Get a reality check.
Zenrage @ 17:
For a crime against the body of another person, I completely agree. You hurt a person, you visit violence upon them, you leave them with that for the rest of their life. You should not be able to hide them out for seven years and then swagger around in front of them as if you've just been very clever.
We choose civilization. We choose it over savagery and brutality. The fundamental basis of civilization is human dignity. The theft of dignity ought to be treated with as much legal seriousness as the theft of life.
I've said it before that the whole Bush gang should be prosecuted [deleted - do not advocate violence here.]
Dave @ 51:
No argument here!
Dana Prunes-- Note the RepubLick Advertising-"Sex sells ".Most obtuse males don't care of what she is saying all lies,but dreaming of the possibility of porking her.
What next replacement are in the works for Dana--Goo-Goo-Annie in Drag ?
Clytemnestra @ 6:
yes this gal gives femminity a bad rep, but then even the german army used some blood thirsty bitches in thier army,
Its a joke to even have these laws since they are unenforceable.
There is not need to "extent" what is already without limitation: There is no statute of limitations on war crimes. Who is arguing that abuse of prisoners -- as prohibited by Geneva -- is "not a war crime"?
I'm desperately trying to wrap my head around the notion that "leaving office with a 60% approval rating" is "a waste".
The goal is to leave office with a single digit approval rating that would result from pushing though policies that no one likes??? What kind of masochist wants their President to push through as many unpopular and detrimental policies as possible???
John Dean To Congress: Extend Statute Of Limitations On Torture Crimes
Former White House Counsel for Richard Nixon, John Dean, joined Keith Olbermann to discuss the recently revealed 2004 Bush DoJ secret memo endorsing torture.Dean: “…Not only should the congress not cede to their requests, they ought to extend the s...
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The GOP, silly boy...
I gotta say, all things considered.. John Dean may be the only person in my lifetime that I have any respect for at this point who claimed to represent the republican perspective at some point in his own past... I'm not sure what his politics are now, but he still doesn't shy away from cold hard truths...... It was he after all, and a few others, who popped the sordid watergate bubble... I will always hold some respect for him for that alone. JD
I'm kinda coming around to the 'Ilsa of the SS' notion regarding Dana Perino... She actually looks way too smart to really believe the bullshit she spews if she gave it any critical thought... So, I can only come to the conclusion she must be a true kool-aider...
What is it about fucking blondes, bottle or otherwise and this facist bullshit ruining our country? What't the hell is that all about..that embrace of Bushco... No, really... Its like a closet neocon campaign to coopt and ruin the reputation of blondes everywhere.....JD
orion @ 10:
America is dead. George Bush and his gang of neocon thugs killed her.
Dean goes on to make another critical point that is often missed and rarely, if ever, mentioned in the traditional media outlets:
So much for bipartisanship; what the Democratic Party needs in order to emerge from its present doldrums (and historically low approcal rates for its members of Congress) is the balls to push for flat-out partisanship in progressive issues.
Leftside Annie @ 62:
Nah. Not dead.
Being held down and raped maybe. Not that that is really better, mind you.
And most of the country is watching. Or perhaps saying, "Hey, somebody should probably help her," while standing around, arms crossed.
She lives, she is being hurt. Why aren't you helping?
John Dean has certainly matured into one of our society's "wise old men". I believe he has said that he still considers himself a conservative and is focused on advocating for the rule of law and the constitution in his writing. But I have to think he would make for a fantastic ticket with Daniel Ellsberg on the speakers' tour.
swarmofkillermonkeys @ 64:
You think she lives, but it is just the purposeless twitching of a newly brain dead corpse. A corpse that will be cremated by global warming over the next few decades.
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