AEI Warmonger On Hardball: There Are No Alternatives - BOMB IRAN NOW
By Logan Murphy Monday Oct 22, 2007 11:50am
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On Monday's Hardball Chris Matthews talked with Jim Walsh from MIT and Joshua Muravchik from the American Enterprise Institute to discuss Iran and whether or not the U.S. should attack. In what was one of Matthews' more palatable segments, he grills Muravchik, who says he doesn't care when we attack Iran just as long as we do it soon because, in his words, there are no alternatives.
Both Matthews and Walsh fail to mention Sunni militants, supported by Saudis, who are actually responsible for the majority of attacks on U.S. soldiers and the fact that the Bush administration doesn't seem to want to acknowledge it. Walsh did warn that invading Iran would be a giant mistake:
Walsh: "...It would be extremely costly. I mean, if you liked the war in Iraq, you would love the war in Iran. Whether it's battlefield deaths in Afghanistan or Iraq, because you know, Iran's not gonna just going to sit there and take it; they're going to come back after us. If we have an IED problem today, just think imagine what it's going to be like..."
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Let's see, Saddam was dumping the dollar and we invaded them.
Now that Iran has dumped the dollar.....well.
yeah, sure, let's go bombing now. That preemptive strike we did in Iraq is still going on, and we all feel so much safer. By the way, who's next after Iran?
uncle wally @ 2:
Syria.
Which is probably why Chimpy gets so defensive when asked about it - he has trouble when events transpire other than how he wants them to.
The big question is 'when,' and that's followed by 'what will the Democrats/American people/other countries do about it?'
Please Mr. Bush & Mr. Cheney--only one war at a time! Oops, I mean, only two wars at a time--oops, I mean only three...
The alternatives are for the warmongers to GO TO HELL.
Walsh: “…It would be extremely costly. I mean,
I am beginning to be tired of this mentality in the US. Not even critics of the administration cares about non-us deaths. I have come to the conclusion that major parts of the US population is a lot less civilized than assumed. They simply don't care about people elsewhere.
Rudy's mid-east advisors, headed by the godfather of all neo-cons, Norman "bomb Iran now" Podhoretz, all want to bomb Iran ASAP.
TPMtv: Meet the Four Horsemen of Rudy's Apocalypse
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/056028.php
If he becomes Prez, we are guaranteed WWIII (or IV whatever they're calling it now)
At least Bush's new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Adm. Mike Mullen, thinks they are all nuts.
IN PREPARATION FOR INVASION OF IRAN, ADMINISTRATION DIGS UP THE SHAH
'why bomb now? - uh.........................................'
That was funny to watch. No good answer.
haha Joshua Muravchik looked like a deer caught in the headlights when chris matthews pressed him.
Aw crap, come on.
Stark Apologizes
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/10/stark_apologizes_after_bid_to_cens...
I actually watched this live yesterday and it was funny how Chris Matthes kept asking that idiot with the glasses, "give me an explanation to why we have to bomb Iran now." and the idiot kept stumbling over his words.
It's funny. People want to bomb Iran, yet they have not good reason as to why. This is what you get when you get people that are too fanatical and have them in power. I.E. Bush, Cheney, and the whole neo-conservative nut jobs.
Why are these clowns from the American Enterprise Institute always given a voice on programs like Matthews' and touted as 'expert' on some issue. Highly paid shills who sit around and think of ways to fuck over the rest of the country and feather their own nests and those of their benefactors.
Who died and made us the world's police? I don't hear the rest of the world going apeshit about this....and Russia will not be too happy with a "bomb Iran" plan....its just paving the way for more military industrial complex riches, so when Bush says " I need another 46 bill....no make that 80 billion for THREE wars" everyone will HAVE to agree and more money will flow to the bomb makers...
let me guess... Muravchik has no children serving in the military.
I would imagine Dr. Freud could hazard a guess...
What the hell is wrong with Tweety Matthews ?
Claiming Joshua Muravchik is an "expert" on anything except being a typical neo-cancervative imbecile is like claiming Chimpy is an expert on public speaking .........
Shadowgm @ 3:
I swear. I don't fucking understand Bush's and Heart Attack Cheney's logic. So, we have to spread democracy to the Middle East and all other dictatorships around the world. WHY!?!?!?
So by their logic, North Korea, Cuba, Communist China, and all other dictatorships are up next. Nice mentality Neo-Cons...
Neo-Cons, gotta love them... they think they can borrow money from China to endanger their very own oil supply to play their game of global domination. The temper tantrum they are going to throw is going to be pathetic, after all they are too chikenshit to enlist, so mostly will be a bunch of grown men crying on why mommy China is not letting them go into Iran.
So yea dipshits, keep on talking the tough talk, and we will see you backpedaling at supersonic speeds once China starts dumping dollars and make the 1929 depression look like a walk in the park.
See you at the breadline assholes...
If I want to muzzle these maniacs who call for a suicidal war with Iran, would I be denying them First Amendment rights?
I think not. As the cliche goes, Freedom of Speech doesn't cover the right to shout "Fire" in a crowded movie house. I'm surprised that anyone thinks it covers an exhortation of mass murder.
"Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the heir to a kingdom of idiots fights a war on a thousand!"
-- Londo Mollari, Babylon 5
Normally, I'd say the possibility of Russia and/or China stepping in to say a few words might have the necessary chilling effect to keep our leaders from going off half-cocked.
But these are the people who ignored their previous assessment of what would happen in Iraq if we toppled Saddam, who have been consistently wrong on every call they've made.
Iran will be another entry in the 'ideology overpowering reality' ledger.
In a perfect world when asked "why bomb iran now?" Muravchik would've looked down in shame and said "because my penis doesn't work".
god the AEI guys is a fucking moron! isnt Blankly a fellow there now?
lucid fiction @ 1:
Right now I'm split between Kucinich and Ron Paul. My appeal to Paul is that he would get us back on this gold standard so our dollar isn't some worthless piece of paper that can be intentionally driven down. The U.S. government would start creating it's own money and stop paying the federal reserve [private] bank interest on borrowing from it. And we'd pull out of the Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran wars. That takes care of a lot. The dollar becomes stable and we are out of those foreign wars.
Why the hell is AEI on Hardball? Of COURSE the guy is going to say "bomb Iran" - that's what they do! It's like asking a NAMBLA member whether MySpace is a good thing.
Ain't being an EMPIRE a bitch?
I'm assuming the AEI guys have their reservations to bunk at Mount Weather according to NSPD 51 National Security Presidential Directive 51, "National Continuity Policy" to be spewing talk like this.
He can't be serious. I mean who in their right mind would think ...
Never mind. I just answered my own question.
I'm feeling shitty and cynical enough that I half hope that they do start a war with Iran. Only because MAYBE ... MAYBE Americans will turn off American Idol and take this country back.
During this "debate", not one of these so-called experts thought it prudent to mention that Iran has repeatedly stated that it has no intention of building a nuclear bomb; rather, it intends to build a nuclear facility in its use of that country's energy production. If it did somehow manage to build a nuclear bomb, it would be used as a deterrent against Israel's 250 or so nuclear weapons. Yet this discussion on Hardball, the show that allegedly asks the tough questions that the other shows shy away from from, is what passes for trenchant political analysis on the corporate airwaves.
OT: Another Dem(Stark from Calif.) has buckled under and has made an apology to
the troops and to bush-lite for his previous comments made on the floor of the House
of Reps. when speaking about "our" Congress failing to override bush's veto on the SCHIP.
Guess those of us were, once again, wasting our energy and efforts in contacting his
office and telling him NOT to make an apology...
Where does AEI propose getting ground troops to stabilize the situation?
AEI helped do analysis on the US surge in Iraq, which has failed. Is there something which AEI has to warrant confidence in their "analysis" on Iraq?
i'm just going to be a good little american and say nothing.
The talking heads for war.
Very pro-war and happily trying to talk everyone else into supporting their latest war adventure. While they sit here pontificating in luxurious comfort. I have yet to see one of these talking heads sign up.
PurplePatriot @ 28:
Don't even think it. If we let these idiots start a full-scale war with Iran, we are totally screwed. All of us. Maybe forever.
Israel should just tell Iran look if you guys fu*k with us we are sending EVERYTHING we got at you. Nukes, you name it. Now, do we want to talk peace? Cooperation, trade, prosperity, growth? Good. We thought so. Now, let's get started and put our peoples talents to good use and do something for the future of humanity.
Geno in Ptown @ 17:
It's quite telling when one considers which dictatorships they choose to topple and when they choose to topple them.
Shadowgm @ 3:
Well I already know what canada will do. They'll wait for the chimp's handler, darth dildo, to send them a note on what they should do next.
!$*(#%&@*&! stephen 'fat boy' harper.
Screw iran. Bomb ottawa!
another tough talking
republican chickenhawk
I'd like to find out how
this one evaded the draft
heh...
Forgive me if this has already been covered but from what I can gather, Stark apologized on the floor this morning.
Matthews made Joshua Muravchik look like the ass he is. And if you notice at the end of the segment, Matthews clearly reiterates they're "experts" with a sly grin.
Josh, come prepared to bullshit next time.
pissed off patricia @ 39:
Yes....sad but true...see my comments @ # 30 above...
PurplePatriot @ 28:
The only way Americans will turn off American Idol is if the show is preempted with a message that 300 inbound Russian missiles are heading our way. And even then they'd probably just stare at the screen like zombies thinking it was a commercial for a new TV show. "Wow, whens that on! Neat!"
If the US attacks Iran, other nations are prepared to impose serious consequences on the United States. The US -- when it expands illegal warfare into Iraq -- is acting like Japan when it attacked Pearl Harbor. After WWII, the Japanese failed in their argument that they were attempting to "stop" US efforts to block the Japanese expansion; similarly, the US has no legal foundation when it argues it is attempting to "block" Iran from defending itself against an expanded illegal war in iraq.
The Vice President and President have been linked with war crimes. Congress needs to impeach. Without impeachment, prosecutions of the President and Vice -- while they remain in office -- is an option.
If the US civil leadership in Congress and the legal community refuses to impose legal consequences on either the President or Vice President through either impeachment or prosecution, what options are there to lawfully punish the President and Vice President for illegal warfare?
1. Other nations may use lawful options to punish the American leadership.
2. War criminals -- when they lead a nation -- put their nation at risk. Other nations have the legal authority under Geneva to attack the US military, command and control, and other war-supporting infrastructure.
3. State officials have a duty to end unlawful support for the President and VP. This means ending all contracts, support, and assistance to the illegal war: Ending contracts, removing services, and prosecuting those who attempt to support an illegal war in Iraq and Iran.
This is something everyone should read!!!!
http://www.talk2action.org/
I am really getting fucking tired of these warhawks clamoring for war!!!
These assholes need to be stopped! It's gettin to the point to where I'm ready to start thinkin "by any means necesary"... surely I'm not alone...
My thoughts are very dark and very coarse. This fool wants more carnage, does he? It's past time to let the creeps get away with calling for mass killing and to demand that they either put up or shut up. You want to bomb Iran? Fine, here's the ordinance. And here's a rifle. If you need a ride to the border, we'll get Bill Kristol to drive you there. Go, and send us a g-d-- postcard.
How many more young men and women have to die or get mutilated to satisfy the Neocons sickening need for blood and violence (perpetrated and suffered by people of classes lower than their own, of course)?
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Tried Piggy Pelosi
Tried Biggy Hillary
Tried Smartie Plame
But I knew they wouldn't blow
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(Let's try it once more.)
(One more time. More artistic flavor.)
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(Thank you very much, folks.)
(Thanks, Dean.)
(Yea {:-(
Whether Iran would sit by and not defend themselves is a dumb question that is not borne out by history at all: everybody defends themselves. The bigger question is whether Saudi Arabia would sit there and let Iran take it.
I watched this yesterday and while Muravchik might be a 'prolific' writer he was totally unprepared. He couldn't make the argument about why it was imperative we bomb Iran, just that we needed to do it now. Walsh made a good point about Iran being a disaster to occupy militarily, but that's a bit of a leap. If Iraq taught us anything all we want to do is conduct an air campaign (think Desert Storm without the land invasion, but with three to four times the number of aircraft and much more in the way of precision munitions). For all its bluster Iran has limited offensive capabilities (yeah I read where they are going to launch 10,000 missiles at once, but do they have 10,000 launchers? NO. Heard the same thing from Syria). Its Air Force is more of an Air Farce. Its fleet of high speed boats is a threat but they can be taken out, especially if we initiate the war and destroy them before they have time to disperse.
We already know the country exports oil but is dependent on imported oil as it lacks refinery capability.
Matthews did a good job, but where I wished he had probed deeper is Muravchik's religious beliefs. He's an adviser to the Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs. Once again, the impression we have is of the omnipotent Israel first lobby dictating American foreign policy.
Is his zeal based on Iran's threat to the security of the United States or to Israel's?
m @ 32:
THIS IS YOUR COUNTRY! If you, and the rest of us don't stand up, these stupid neo-cons are going to ruin everything.
If we go to war with Iran, this will impact your children, and their children's, children.
People bitch and moan that gas is only $2.80 - $3.00 now. Wait until we attack Iran if the neo-cons get their way.
Paying $5 a gallon will be regular.
This war of terrorists and terrorism is going way to far. Actually, let me rephrase that. War and violence suck. I can't believe this guy's response to why we should bomb Iran is because he doesn't know if they have a nuke / nuclear weapon. Because he doesn't know!!!! That is just crazy.
Karim Baz
Chris @ 23:
How exactly would we get back onto the gold standard with a currency which is currently worthless. I am tired of Ron Paul and his penchant to talk about economic policy when he knows jack squat other than the few key words that are constantly spewed at Libertarian meet ups. So how exactly are we going to purchase the gold needed to back up our currency if we return to the gold standard... and does it ever happened to the Paulettes to think that the current supply of gold can only cover a few orders of magnitude less money than what most economies are currently worth?
Our house is crumbling, and Mr. Paul's solution is to fit back into a matchbox. So how exactly do you fit a family of 4 into a matchbox.
Why does no body ask Mr. Paul actual questions to dismantle his Libertarian economic babble? Which by the way it is the same line of economic thought that got us in this mess to begin with. It takes a special set of balls for an idiot like Ron Paul to even open his mouth when part of the reason why we are in this mess is the libertarian bullshit running wild since Reaganomics took over in the 80s. And now he wants to bring back the gold standard, how cute...
Enough!
Loonie @ 36:
Oil. I know.
Without an imminent threat, combat forces cannot be lawfully used. Iran is more than three to eight years away from getting the bomb. AEI, as was done prior to Iraq invasion, has not made the case that there is an imminent threat. Without an imminence problem, Bush and the US Congress have a joint war crimes problem in re Iran-invasion planning.
I saw this segment in its entirety. Chirs Matthews did a good job just letting the neocon spew enough crap to let him hang himself ....It was smart because he couldnt talk in soundbites he had to speak about a rationale ...there was none ...
Whoops! forgot to put i the full link:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/3/5/105015/2167/
EH @ 47:
its time to shut these lets bomb iran mutha fuckers up, get the waterboards working before some deranged asshole in the whitehouse does it!
pissed off patricia @ 39:
Democrat: *anti-Bush comment*
Republican: BOOYAH! RAR! BOOOGA-BOOOGA!
Democrat: (cowers) Eeep! Please don't hit me! I'm sorry! Don't hurt me!
It's a shame, because Stark had it right.
votingvet @ 46:
This is what I've been saying for a while. If these neocon hate warriors need a war so badly let them go fight in it. No age limit, no health requirements. Just round them all up and ship them off to where the fighting is worst. Blindfolded and bound in the back of a cargo plane if necessary. Then ship the rest of the armed forces home and leave the neocon 'guard' on their own. Best of luck. We'll drop you a care package or two after the first year if we get word you're still breathing. Hey maybe praying to your invisible sky daddy will save you. Give that a try.
See ya, wouldn't want to be ya.
And the rest of us could get on with our lives.
Joshua Muravchik...American Enterprise Institute...pro-business right-wing think tank...center base for neo-conservatives...
As if anything this horse's ass has to say is of any moral, ethical, or intellectual value.
It always feels good to tell people like Muravchik to go to hell...go straight to hell.
Shadowgm @ 57:
Amen! I actually cheered when I saw that video on the tv. He does not have to apologize at all.
Joshua Murvachik ?
AEI hires another Mormon to spew on Mideast furrin policy, no doubt.
Good point. And remember, the Saudis are just financing the Sunni insurgent attacks, they're actually carrying them out. Just last July the Pentagon finally admitted that a majority of the suicide bombers in Iraq (including Iraqis) are Saudi nationals.
For more on what our "friends and allies" have been up to, check out:
www.asecondlookatthesaudis.com
The Iranian nuclear program is a genuine problem. But banging the war drums against Iran is truly absurd and asinine so long as Saudi fanatics are attacking and murdering Americans left and right - and, thanks to George W. Bush, doing so with impunity.
This is boosh's legacy. Since the beginning of our country we've never fought more than one war at a time, although some had multiple fronts. reichwingers have been claiming for years that we need to fund the military so that they are capable of fighting three wars at once.
So now we have Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran (and hid).
I got a kick out of Matthews' pause at the end:
"A very seasoned debate by two... experts."
There was an audible intake of breath in that pause. He could almost have added - "And I use the term loosely."
Muravchik's utter lack of any rationale, e.g. producing some evidence or intelligence that Iran poses an immediate threat to US security, to support his argument that we need to attack Iran "soon" just staggered me.
First, when Matthews asks him if he thinks Iran has the capability to produce a nuclear weapon capable of being transferred to a terrorist group, e.g. a "suitcase" bomb, Muravchik boldly states "I"m sure of it", but when pressed by Matthews via even a softball approach to justify his certainty, Muravchik is reduced to "uh, uh, uh,....".
Muravchik is exposed as a person who wants to attack Iran for no better reason than Iranians live there. He couldn't give a rat's ass less whether Iran is bucking for nuclear weapon capability, all he wants to do is kill Iranians for killing Iranian's sake.
Muravchik: What a sad piece of a human being.
War with Iran will be another pretext to clamp down on American citizens.
"Germany will only go to war if the Jews start it" - Hitler 1940
"America will only go to war if Iran starts it" - Bush 2007
Sad to see out country rooting for a genocide of the Iranians, but we live in very hateful times.
Why does USA not just bomb the rest of the world and be finished with it? That would be safe enough.
Blody paranoia...
Nancy, remind me again why impeachment is off the table.
ysbaddaden @ 63:
This from an Administration where the Vice President and former SecDef under Poppy Bush went about closing bases like mad.
Is someone going to issue "secret documents" (which have been fabricated) in re Iran, in exchange for "Congressional promises not to block an investigation"? We've seen with the Downing Street memo/dossier, that the US will fabricate information.
Here is an example of the White House making a deal: "Do not hold anyone accountable, in exchange for us providing you with information we had the obligation, under the law, to share with the court, public, and Congress." There can be no deal with the White House. An agreement not to hold the President accountable for war crimes in Iran is not acceptable. It is an illegal agreement.
JackMormon @ 69:
Queen Nancy is entertaining male company on it.
Dear Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the Bush administration:
We'll see you in hell real soon.
Signed,
Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Joseph Stalin, Benito Mussolini, Saddam Hussein,
Idi Amin, Vladimir Lenin, and Kaiser Wilhelm II.
JackMormon @ 69:
Did you use to be a Mormon?
Back when I was we used the term Jack Mormon for one who was in name only, but no longer active. Sometimes it was used against people who might shack up or break the Word of Wisdom.
ysbaddaden @ 63:
If only, say Canada is to invade Seattle, Washington, and say, Mexico to take back New Mexico, and Louisiana, and say Japan to invade Hawaii and claim it as their territories.
Bush would probably say OK to those invasion, after all they are not Red territories anyway. Beside there are no oil in those states. It's a different story if Russia is to invade Alaska.
We don't have any defense left. Any bold country could just invade us, and we do not have anything left to defend against them. They are all in Iraq, Afghan and soon to be Iran and Syria theater.
I LOVED the very last second of the clip when Matthews hesitated as he said "two....experts"
justabill @ 10:
we are on our own, thier are no democrats besides kucinich that would tell bush to take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut, palosis in the backroom at the whitehouse giveing bush a blowjob while reed keeps bushes balls from bruising her chin and the rest of our swamp cleaner outers are cheering her on, god damned whimps!
While I'm not convinced that gold-backed money is the solution, for the reasons that you allude to, the reason we are in this "mess" is because our money supply is based on debt. At least Paul is willing to address this "root" issue. Where are all of the other candidates on this critical issue?
"The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or so dependent upon its favors that there will be no opposition from that class while, on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending…will bear its burdens without complaint."
--A private communication dated June 25, 1863, from a Rothschild investment house in London to an associate banking firm in New York regarding The National Banking Act of 1863-64
The fact is that 99% of people are entirely ignorant of how our money comes into existence. That goes for posters here (who dismiss those who call the Federal Reserve system for what it is --fraud--and propose reforming our system of money and credit "looney") as well as those in congress. It's the current system of money and credit that is lunacy, and you aren't going to fix anything in this country until you address it
What people don't understand is that under our current "central banking" system of money and credit, tangible currency (coins and dollar bills) makes up less than three percent of the U.S. money supply. The other ~97 percent of the money supply exists as electronic digits and was created by a private monopoly of bankers in the form of loans. This "money" is literally created out of thin air by this private banking cartel, and then loaned, with interest, to U.S. citizens. Nice work if you can get it. This bankers' scam is one of the primary reasons why the U.S. federal debt has not been paid off since the days of Andrew Jackson, and the principal portion of the debt has continued to grow year after year.
By design, the federal debt can't ever be paid off and must continue to grow along with the issuance of new money. As for the interest on this debt, the U.S. federal income tax was instituted specifically to force U.S. taxpayers, at gunpoint, to pay this cartel of moneylenders the interest due on the "money" they manufactured out of thin air.
People were not always so ignorant when it comes to who has the power over their money supply. In fact, the American Revolution was primarily fought over this issue.
"The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction."
--Ben Franklin
As far as gold-backed money though, it was the scarcity of precious metal coins in Europe that spawned the fraud of fractional reserve banking in the first place, and it was the same that caused the American colonists to turn to fiat paper money. This is another discussion though. Regardless, debt-based money and fractional reserve banking need to be done away with. Perhaps when enough of the sheeple realize this we can have a national discussion on monetary and banking reform.
Will someone please get boosh laid already! Apparently Botox Betty can't keep him relaxed enough.
Reich-wing "logic": If you fail the first and second time at "war", third time MUST be a charm.
Dodd said he was filibustering the FISA immunity; where's the effort to filibuster funding for an Iran invasion? Time for Congress to assert its power. The public gave the DNC control of Congress to end war in Iraq; not remain silent while war was illegally expanded from Iraq into Iran.
Wondering @ 53:
It makes no difference there is no accountability in the US any more Bush can do it if he wants, fake the intel, a few more false flag ops, and in they go.
Iran's nuclear program was started in the 50s with help from the US anyway, the CIA deposed the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh and brought Shah (King) Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.
The US has been F'ing the place over for years for it's own interests, of course Iran is going to be pissed. The US only started barking this BS dogma when they weren't in their pocket any more.
Unfortunately there is nothing that will make the US people open their eyes, ask questions, move for change or peace (all at once), it's not the american way.
Anyway the coup is over, the country is lost and being run for the benifit of the view, go back to sleep and pay your taxes !
Stark has turned into a Pussycrat in short order. What a shame!
eo @ 75: