Intelligent design tools should be banished from public discourse. They bring nothing to the table.

Fristing for Jeebus!

BillO is proof that the "design" ain't always "intelligent".

BILL O'REILLY , like the rest of these phony rightwing zealot patriots is a disgusting piece of humanity. He is an ignorant individual who suffers from VERY LOW self-esteem.

poor Bildo he needs to feel the noodley appendage...

You have a right to an opinion, Republican dipshits, but not a right to having it matter. It's called peer review. If your idea is so great, have it stand up against peer review. Oh and when it doesn't, maybe discard it as crap, rather than whining and running off to create an alternate universe of bullshit Christofascist universities and pseudo-scientific experts that actually have no subject matter training.

Fuck you, and unlike Pete Stark, I'm not apologizing.

Intelligent Design is an effort to try to fill in some of those gaps. It might be totally wrong, but at least it's an effort to try to fill in some very obvious gaps.

So I.D. is like spackle or bondo?.

I wish Ben Stein would stick to Clear Eyes commercials. When he starts with politics, it makes my teeth ache.

Thing Fish @ 11:

Intelligent Design is an effort to try to fill in some of those gaps. It might be totally wrong, but at least it's an effort to try to fill in some very obvious gaps.

So I.D. is like spackle or bondo?.

Duct Tape

What a load of crap. Ugh!

Simple : The folks who say that God designed this stuff we call "the Universe" point to it as proof of "His" (of course) existence. The creation itself shows there is a perfect, loving God.

If one then confronts them with all the imperfection in nature and the fact that even the grasses struggle one against another, humanity becomes the scapegoat. "It was perfect before we disobeyed." You know the drill.

Therefore, the creation is not the reflection of the perfect creator, but the reflection of the imperfect us. The concrete proof of the Perfect God (the creation) is thus dependent on a belief in Paradise Lost. (Myth)

My father was a mason contractor, and would have sent that concrete back to the vendor.

Because he was intelligent.

The various "priesthoods" of the world have been babbling their bullshit for thousands of years, and "whosoever is deceived thereby IS NOT WISE", as the saying goes, and just WHO in their right mind with an IQ of 75 or more pays any attention to Wild Willie O'Liely in the first damn where?......Let alone the mentally challenged who go with him on his journeys into BARFLAND!

That's why they got churches on every block and television show on Sunday mornings. Yes, very much persecuted. ha! Baloney!!!!!

fwacbar @ 22:

Ben Stain is 'crossing over' to support Al Franken, or so I have read. If this proves to be right, and Al gets photoged with Ben the Idiot, then Franken is a stealth repuke.... And here I thought maybe, just maybe, I would vote for Al....

He is? Seriously????

Roy Zimmerman can give you a comic view of this. Please watch!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIwiPsgRrOs

By who, what, when and where?

Do we want to see, do we want to know, even if seeing the truth and knowing what it means changes our comfortable context and puts us into a kind of hell, or seems to? Toward the middle of Sinister Barrier, the title phrase occurs in an almost throwaway sense, as Professor Beach tells Graham:

"The scale of electro-magnetic vibrations extends over sixty octaves, of which the human eye can see but one. Beyond that sinister barrier of our limitations, outside that poor, ineffective range of vision, bossing every man-jack of us from the cradle to the grave, invisibly preying on us as ruthlessly as any parasite, are our malicious, all-powerful lords and masters — the creatures who really own the Earth!"

Yet another God-of-the-gaps argument with a little argument-from-authority too boot.
"secular pinheads"? You mean that only secularist suffer from MICROCEPHALY?
Darwinism? Rather than Evolution?
Sheesh! Thats the best that you can do Ben Stein?
This reeks of "Republicanism"!

A non-issue with endless mental masturbation.

"War On Christmas" in 3...2...1...

Kevin @ 32:

You know, in order to call it a scientific "theory," it needs to have some sort of work to back it up. Otherwise, it's a "hypothesis." And if the "hypothesis" has nothing to do with anything remotely resembling science, it's not a "hypothesis." It's a "misfiled idea."

The theory of intelligent design cannot be currently tested, challenged or verified. Instead of "filling the holes" of evolutionary theory, as Dr. Stein claims, it aims to replace with unscientific blather an already tested and true scientific phrase: "we don't know"

I think the definition of "scientific" was recently changed by the legislature in Kansas. The new definition now supports "creationism or intelligent design".

If there is such a thing as "intelligent design", then why was someone as stupid as Bush appointed president? If you ask me, George W Bush is proof that there is no such thing as intelligent design.

Question Blog @ 30:

religion is evil!!

I second that.

I will teach "intelligent design" in my classes when the fundies let me preach marxist anthropology in their churches.

I wish Bill and Ben would deny gravity and float away. THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER REIGNS OVER ALL!

I love this -- just what I was thinking.

Thing Fish @ 11:

Intelligent Design is an effort to try to fill in some of those gaps. It might be totally wrong, but at least it's an effort to try to fill in some very obvious gaps.

So I.D. is like spackle or bondo?.

dothehop @ 15:

Thing Fish @ 11:

Intelligent Design is an effort to try to fill in some of those gaps. It might be totally wrong, but at least it's an effort to try to fill in some very obvious gaps.

So I.D. is like spackle or bondo?.

Duct Tape

Why not. It has a light side, dark side, and holds the universe together.

Then who is responsible for the fact that the Cleveland Browns have never won a superbowl. God or the family of apes they descended from.

As a Science Teacher, I'm looking forward to teaching Astrology and Alchemy along side Astronomy and Chemistry. They might be wrong, they might be right, but so what! Let's put "all cards on the achedemic table!"

I'm dumber for having watched that.

How come Stein kept mentioning the gaps in Darwinist theory but never gave a single example? I've heard people repeat that crap everywhere, "There are gaps in Darwinian theory!" Really? Name one. Seriously. What are these gaps in Darwinian theory?

And he does the same thing with all the people who are being "persecuted" for wanting to teach creationism. "There are many scientists we've interviewed - many - who have been expelled form their jobs..." Really? Name one. If you come up with anyone at all, I bet its someone who was told to stop proselytizing in their classroom and they refused.

I don't ask for much, but I think if you want to share the planet, you should contribute. Give me something I can use, not this warmed over "invisible sky fairies" crap.

And, honestly, how can they even let those words leave their lips? "Religious people are being persecuted by scientists." This from the people defending the creators of the iron maiden and the rack.

Childish.

This whole episode is barely watchable. First, Ben Stein may be smart but he is woefully ignorant of evolution. His statements are completely false in so many ways. Second, Billo states that the only folks believing in science are secular progressives. Has he talked to the fucking Pope lately? Lastly, no one can stop them from saying whatever they want but not in a science class moron, not in a science class. As the old lady said: its turtles all the way down baby, all the way down

Let me get this straight. The jesus-junkies are whining because their explanation for the existence of humans isn't being respected as a valid scientific theory?

Well duh.

"My imaginary friend, god, conjured us out of dust" is exactly as plausible a scientific theory as "Hilda the magic purple hippo pulled us out of her ass."

Christianity is when intellectually lazy people get exploited by power-hungry zealots. It must be kept out of the schools. It's a joke at best, a serious threat to civilization at worst.

There are times when I do hope there is a God then these clowns will get what they deserve.

Necadawg @ 53:

Then who is responsible for the fact that the Cleveland Browns have never won a superbowl. God or the family of apes they descended from.

Art Modell?

Sounds like Bill O'Reilly and Stein agree with Iran's Ahmadinejad that scientific method is not sufficient and that true knowledge comes from "illumination".

Thing Fish @ 67:

Sounds like Bill O'Reilly and Stein agree with Iran's Ahmadinejad that scientific method is not sufficient and that true knowledge comes from "illumination".

Its strange how much they have in common.

I'm not sure who annoys me more, the supercilious Stein or the stupid Billo. Both are proof that bad gene plus bad gene = bad gene.

Christianity is a philosophy based in persecution. It's the entire idea.

Did Christ come down here and have a tea party? Well, maybe yes, then he was...PERSECUTED. Persecuted worse than any human ever had been or will be.

Why? So we can be forgiven. For what? Original sin. But I didn't commit original sin. Doesn't matter, God has no choice but to PERSECUTE you for things Adam and Eve did. But Adam and Eve didn't really exist. Yes they did. No they didn't. Okay, not LITERALLY, but they're SYMBOLIC. Of what? Man's fall. From where? Purity. When were we ever "pure?" Well, never historically, it's a spiritual thing. Okay, so God wants to punish me for something that symbolic, fictional characters didn't really do? Is he gonna get on my ass for anything the shit Gandalf pulled? Very funny, but yes, you need to be forgiven for being born, but luckily God tortured himself to death for you, don't you feel loved by that? Not really...after seeing 'The Passion' I kind of wanted to puke. Can't take it, eh? No, I'm a sucker for a good crucifixion movie, but I just thought that scene where he's building a table with his mom was trite and pretentious.

Anyway...after all that...

Christ's followers were persecuted by the evil Roman Empire.

And then his followers took over the Roman Empire.

And then the Roman Empire fell because people with chronic persecution complexes don't know the first thing about governing a nation.

Christianity is a philosophy based in persecution. It’s the entire idea.

No one wants a war on christianity more than the christians.

Edwin @ 72:

I don't watch Bill O stuff. Just sayin'. He just irks me.

I'm here. The end. I don't really care if I was created, or if I crawled out of the primordial ooze. The only part that bugs me about this, is how it is BIG POLITICS, with an agenda. It should just be an interesting debate/conversation. (In the end, NO ONE has the answer anyway-- not that they can prove.) I'm just trying to put food on my family, or something like that.

If I believe in any higher power, that's a private issue for me alone.

Good point.

Stein is lying when he claims there is no scientific evidence for the beginning of life.

Many experiments have been conducted in which amino acids (the basic building blocks of proteins and cells) have been successfully produced by heating and oxidizing common chemical elements. The generation of amino acids by natural means is a scientific fact. Darwin's theory of evolution is completely consistent with this process.

Since when is Stein a scientist, anyway? He ought to stick to what he knows: one-dimensional acting and PR-whoring for Republicans.

"persecuted" -- this is more cult mind control bullshit. Every good cult leader makes sure his followers believe they are being persecuted. It makes it easier to control them, to feed them lies and tell them they only get the truth from the approved sources - in the case of the cult of conservatism that would be Rush, Savage, Coulter, FOX, and Sun Myung Moon's propaganda outlet which has successfully Moonized America as the conservative's messiah intended.

It's pretty simple, isn't it? They want to teach their Old Testament religion in science class. Just like they want christian prayer in public school and the 10 Commandments posted in courthouses and halls of government.

For good reason secularists (and scientists and teachers of science not to mention many, many reasonable religious folks) don't want some untestable belief system taught as science. To these narrow minded religious types this means they're being "persecuted". Yo, Billo and Ben Stein! Get the hell outta here with that jive. Believe whatever you want, start your own church of the Eternal Loofah for all I care, but your religion(s) are NOT science. End of story.

Did you see this bumper sticker: "Don't preach in my school and I won't think in your church"

Ben Stein has been right about everything else... the Iraq War, Bush economy, immigration... so why not Creationism?

Bill O'Reilly has never been wrong about anything...

Therefore, trillions of stars, planets and other worldly anomalies were birthed by a singular entity of either such gigantic proportion and/or intellect that only these two geniuses can fathom the true meaning of life as hand shaped by what surely is the oldest of all beings.

And to think that this grand creator picked a planet inhabited by the crassest of beings circling the puniest of stars in the ghetto district of a third rate galaxy.

We really are special.

Holy shit! This clip is the epitome of lies and propaganda.

O'Really?: In the unresolved problem segment tonight, how did life begin? Religious people believe a higher power created the universe; Right off the bat, O'Really? will divide everyone into us vs. them, and right off the bat, he's wrong. Not all religious people believe in a higher power. There are non-theistic, non-deistic religions. secular progressives say all kinds of thingsHeh, and here's the "them." Secular Progressives, Bill's propaganda at work. Not all progressive are secular; not all secular people are progressives., but god [smiles to indicate ridicule] is not in the equation. And some believe FUX News' favorite propaganda phrase -- some people believe/say those who subscribe to intelligent design, that is a deity created life Can't he get anything right? Intelligent Design theory does not necessarily posit a deity (at least in principle...I realize it's a cover for creationism) , are being persecuted in America. Joining us now from Washington, Ben Stein, who has put together a new documentary called Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed, the film, set to open in the theaters this coming February. So, what's the issue in your mind?

Stein: Well, the issue isn't Darwinism, which was a brilliant theory, and a great, great relic of the age of Imperialism in the 19th Century. Lunacy. A relic of the age of Imperialism? Imperialism has nothing to do with it, and establishmentarians of the ruling class felt threatened by Darwinism. Basically said that mankind evolved from apes and monkeys Sheer and utter lie. And Stein has to know it. He's not that stupid. Evolution does not say we evolved from apes and monkeys. and from the cells and so forthAnd from the cells and so forth? He has no grasp of that which he is refuting, and that's the real problem! Those who argue against evolution do not understand it. So they feel persecuted when people try to educate them., and that's a brilliant proposition, Darwin was a brilliant guy, but it didn't say how life beganCorrect. And it DOESN'T CLAIM TO! Though evolutionary theory can lead to some interesting hypotheses about the beginning of life itself, it didn't say how the cell got to have hundreds of thousands of moving parts, each of which has to work perfectlyOh, yes it does!!! And Stein has to know that too!! He just doesn't buy it because he doesn't understand it!. It said maybe life was created by a lightning striking a mud puddle. That has never struck me as convincingAgain, there are some hypotheses about how the original ancestor first came to be. Scientists are continually working on that, and no one is being shut up about devising a working theory for it, and I thought there are a lot of gaps in Darwinism. Intelligent design is an effort to try to fill in some of those gaps.God did it is the oldest attempt to fill in every gap there has ever been in science. It might be totally wrong, but at least it's an effort to try to fill in some very obvious gaps. Science is always correcting itself and filling in its gaps. Intelligent design advocates have NO IDEA how science actually works. Science ALWAYS begins with I don't know, and ALWAYS ends with But I could be wrong. If you don't understand that, you don't understand science.

O'Really?: All right, but you know when you say that, particularly you, being in the show business communityMore us/them enemy creation, you have one foot in there, that Christopher Hitchens, Bill Maher, who we just saw, are gonna say that you're a primitive, that you're an intellectual deficient Scientifically deficient., that you have no right to intrude on the American secular culture by bringing up there may be a creatorNeither Hitchens nor Maher nor any progressive nor any scientist in America says such a thing. This is a deliberate lie.. And you say what?

Stein: I say there is a First Amendment. I am allowed to say anything I want, and Bill Maher has nothing to say about it. And Christopher Hitchens, an obviously brilliant man, has nothing to say about it. No shit. No one is trying to censor you, you liar. And, in fact, this whole problem, is about a violation of the First Amendment. There are many scientists we interviewed, many, who have been expelled from their jobs, who have had their websites shut down, who have been denied grants, who have been denied tenure, because they want to question the limits, the boundaries of Darwinism and the gaps in Darwinism, I'll be willing to listen, to see whether the politics among scientists have excluded some hypotheses unfairly, but I highly, highly doubt that anyone has been so punished for seeking to question the limits of a scientific theory. That's how science works! and they've been expelled, shut down, that's not how society's progress. Society's progress by asking questions, having freedom of speech and freedom of inquiry.They don't want free inquiry. Don't buy this. What propagandists like O'Really? and Stein do so well is project their own evils onto their opposition. We're not trying to shut anyone up. Bill Maher can say anything he wants. All these Darwinists, all these atheists Not all Darwinists are atheists. More propaganda to lump everyone in an us vs. them world. can say anything they want. We would just like to have freedom of inquiry and freedom of speech. And is this problem important? Is freedom of speech important? Is freedom of inquiry important?

O'Really?: Well, but it's interesting because the state of Kansas -- not a crazy liberal state -- has ordered its people, teachers, not to mention that there might be a creationistic aspect to the universeIn science class, ass hole! It's not scientific.. And you're right, I mean, the academics now have shut down. And I could never understand it. Why can't you just mention, in biology classIt has nothing to do with the study of biology, that's why!, or whatever class you want, that there are theologians who believe a higher power was responsible for the first life Hey, you want to have a comparative religion class in schools? Fine by me!!! But you don't want that! You only want your own version of religion to be taught, and to have your own views posited as 'the alternative' to science. You're a liar, Bill., because whenever I get these atheists on the Factor, and you probably know this, I said, Ok, well, how did it all start? Well, err, uhh, err, we really don't know yet. [Laughs to indicate ridicule] Yes, Bill. Science embraces the power of 'I Don't Know.' Always! Rather than just say God Did It, science says, we don't know, so we look for evidence to solve that puzzle. And THAT is how societies advance, you idiots!

Stein: Well the reason they're so angry about it and so defensive is because the theory has so many holes in it Nonsense! He's either deliberately lying, or he just doesn't understand the theory., and it's such a weak theory that they have to be defensive about it to fight off what are going to be some obvious attacks on it. This was a theory which was a brilliant theory in the middle of the 19th Century. It's the 21st Century. Oh, yeah. It's just stale with age. Like rotten food. That's the problem. Great thinking. There are a lot of questions being about it. Nobody had any idea the cell was so complex. Lie. We would just like to be able to ask the questions. Maybe we're wrong, maybe we're stupid, but we'd like to be able to ask the questions.

O'Really?: Ok, but do you think, though, that people who believe in creationism are being persecuted in America? Lunacy. There is no limit to their victim complex.

Stein: Oh, there's no doubt it, and we have lots and lots of evidence of it in the movie, and you know, Einstein worked within the framework of believing there was a god. Lie. Newton worked within the framework of believing there was a god. True. For gosh sakes, Darwin worked within the framework of believing there was a god. Lie. And yet, somehow, today, you're not allowed to believe it. We've gone from censorship of those who want to question Darwinism at its margins to "You're not allowed to believe in god?" More proof that people are not being censored for questioning, but for INSISTING THAT GOD BE A PART OF THE SCIENTIFIC EQUATIONS WITHOUT EVIDENCE FOR GOD. Why can't we have as much freedom as Darwin had?

O'Really?: I don't know. It's an excellent question. I've never been able to understand why the secular authorities in education, all right, basically persecute people who raise a very legitimate question, 'Hey, you guys haven't figured it out, you secular pinheads! Can't! You haven't figured it out! You've had a lot of time, so, perhaps, we just wanna let the kids know there are two opinions on this.' And they say science is arrogant? Science says, we haven't figured something out yet, and you say, so we have the answer! God. The end. That's not free inquiry. It's religious bullying. But no! You can't have the kids hear that! Separation of church and state [said with disdain and mockery]. I'll give you the last word, Mr. Stein.

Stein: Because there's so much fear out there in the secular community that their position is so precarious. We're not trying to shut them down. We just want to be allowed to talk.

O'Really?: Right.

Stein: And think.

O'Really?: You just want to have all cards put on the academic table. Lie. Lie. Lie. But, hey, if you really believe this, Bill, take Hitchens' challenge! If creationism must be taught in schools just to have all cards on the table, then ANY CHURCH WITH PUBLIC FUNDS UNDER FAITH BASED INITIATIVES MUST TEACH EVOLUTION AND ALL OTHER RELIGIONS! What? You don't like that?

Stein: Exactly.

Glinda @ 70:

The stupidity of this nonsense. You can believe in a higher being and still agree that the current science of evolution is on the right track. Being a believer myself as well as trained in the sciences, I consider evolution, after more than a century of further scientific discovery subject to intense scientific method, a fact.

However when I delved into the "theory" of Intelligent Design I nearly laughed myself to death. The scientific method has been thrown up into the air for a lot of "But what abouts". My biggest question of them is about DNA ... how do those idiots explain the findings from the study of human and various animal genomes? Do they think scientists make it all up?

The higher intelligence I believe in is, for me, only enhanced by evolution: what sheer brilliance that deity must be to set in motion what evolution has shown itself to be. Whatever silly god they believe in is diminished in my eyes by their unimaginative "theory". Animism is a more sophisticated religion than their idol worship.

DNA evidence is Gods cosmic test that a true believer must deny in order to go to heaven