Special Comment: George Bush's Criminal Conspiracy of Torture
By SilentPatriot Sunday Nov 04, 2007 9:01pm
In his latest fire-breathing Special Comment Keith tears into President Bush for firing a true patriot that spoke out against torture, while cowardly and simultaneously ordering others to commit the very same heinous crime.
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No matter how thorough you might try to brand disagreement as disloyalty, Mr Bush, there are still people like Daniel Levin who believe in the United States of America as true freedom, where we are better not because of schemes and wars, but because of dreams and morals. And ultimately, sir, these men, these patriots will defeat you and they will return this country to its righteous standards, and to its rightful owners: The People.
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Finally tonight, as promised, a Special Comment on the meaning of the story of former U.S. Acting Assistant Attorney General Daniel Levin.
It is a fact startling in its cynical simplicity and it requires cynical and simple words to be properly expressed:
The presidency of George W. Bush has now devolved into a criminal conspiracy to cover the ass of George W. Bush.
All the petulancy, all the childish threats, all the blank-stare stupidity;
All the invocations of World War Three, all the sophistic questions about which terrorist attacks we wanted him not to stop, all the phony secrets; all the claims of executive privilege, all the stumbling tap-dancing of his nominees, all the verbal flatulence of his apologists…
All of it is now — after one revelation last week — transparently clear for what it is: the pathetic and desperate manipulation of the government, the re-focusing of our entire nation, towards keeping this mock president, and this unstable vice president, and this departed wildly self-over-rating Attorney General — and the others — from potential prosecution for having approved or ordered the illegal torture of prisoners being held in the name of this country.
“Waterboarding is torture,” Daniel Levin was to write.
Daniel Levin was no theorist and no protestor.
He was no troublemaking politician.
He was no table-pounding commentator.
Daniel Levin was an astonishingly patriotic American, and a brave man.
Brave not just with words or with stances — even in a dark time when that kind of bravery can usually be scared — or bought — off.
Charged — as you heard in the story from ABC News last Friday — with assessing the relative legality of the various nightmares in the Pandora’s box that is the Orwell-worthy euphemism “Enhanced Interrogation,” Mr. Levin decided that the simplest, and the most honest, way to evaluate them… was to have them enacted upon himself.
Daniel Levin took himself to a military base and let himself be water-boarded.
Mr. Bush — ever done anything that personally courageous?
Perhaps when you’ve gone to Walter Reed and teared up over the maimed servicemen? And then gone back to the White House and determined that there would be more maimed servicemen?
Has it been that kind of personal courage, Mr. Bush, when you’ve spoken of American victims and the triumph of freedom and the sacrifice of your own popularity for the sake of our safety? And then permitted others to fire or discredit or destroy anybody who disagreed with you — whether they were your own Generals, or… Max Cleland, or… Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame… or Daniel Levin?
Daniel Levin should have a statue in his honor in Washington right now.
Instead, he was forced out as Acting Assistant Attorney General, nearly three years ago, because he had the guts to do what George Bush couldn’t do in a million years: actually put himself at risk for the sake of his country, for the sake of what is right.
And they water-boarded him and he wrote that even though he knew those doing it meant him no harm, and he knew they would rescue him at the instant of the slightest distress, and he knew he would not die — still, with all that reassurance, he could not stop the terror screaming from inside of him, could not quell the horror, could not convince that which is at the core of each of us — the entity who exists behind all the embellishments we strap to ourselves, like purpose and name and family and love — he could not convince his being… that he wasn’t drowning.
Water-boarding, he said, is torture.
Legally, it is torture!
Practically, it is torture!
Ethically, it is torture!
And he wrote it down.
Wrote it down somewhere, where it could be contrasted with the words of this country’s 43rd President: “The United States of America does not torture.”
Made you into a liar, Mr. Bush.
Made you into, if anybody had the guts to pursue it, a criminal, Mr. Bush.
Water-boarding had already been used on Khalid Sheik Mohammed and a couple of other men none of us really care about — except, Sir, for the one detail you’d forgotten — that there are rules, and even if we just make up these rules, this country observes them anyway, because we’re Americans, sir, and we’re better than that.
We’re better than you.
And the man your Justice Department selected to decide whether or not water-boarding was torture, had decided, and not in some phony academic fashion, nor while wearing the Walter Mitty poseur attire of flight-suit and helmet.
He had put his money, Mr. Bush, where your mouth was.
So, your sleazy sycophantic henchman Mr. Gonzales had him append an asterisk suggesting his black-and-white answer wasn’t black-and-white, that there might have been a quasi-legal way of torturing people, maybe with an absolute time limit and a physician entitled to stop it, maybe, if your administration had ever bothered to set any rules or any guidelines…
And then when your people realized that even that was too dangerous, Daniel Levin was branded “too independent” and “someone who could (not) be counted on.”
In other words, Mr. Bush, somebody you couldn’t count on to lie for you.
So, Levin was fired.
Because if it ever got out what he’d concluded, and the lengths to which he went, to validate that conclusion, anybody who had sanctioned water-boarding, and who-knows-what-else… anybody — you yourself, sir — you would have been screwed.
And screwed you are.
It can’t be coincidence that the story of Daniel Levin should emerge from the black hole of this secret society of a presidency just at the conclusion of the unhappy saga of the newest Attorney General Nominee.
Another patriot somewhere, listened as Judge Mukasey mumbled like he’d never heard of water-boarding, and refuse to answer in words that which Daniel Levin answered on a water-board somewhere in Maryland or Virginia three years ago.
And this someone also heard George Bush say “The United States of America does not torture” and realized either he was lying or this wasn’t the United States of America any more, and either way, he needed to do something about it.
Not in the way Levin needed to do something about it, but in a brave way nonetheless.
We have United States Senators who need to do something about it, too.
Chairman Leahy of the Judiciary Committee has seen this for what it is and said “enough.”
Senator Schumer has seen it, reportedly, as some kind of puzzle piece in the New York political patronage system and he has failed.
What Senator Feinstein has seen, to justify joining Schumer in rubber-stamping Mukasey, I cannot guess.
It is obvious that both those Senators should look to the meaning of the story of Daniel Levin and recant their support for Mukasey’s confirmation.
And they should look into their own committee’s history and recall that in 1973, their predecessors were able to wring even from Richard Nixon, a guarantee of a Special Prosecutor (ultimately a Special Prosecutor of Richard Nixon!), in exchange for their approval of his new Attorney General, Elliott Richardson.
If they could get that out of Nixon, you — before you confirm the President’s latest human echo tomorrow — you better be able to get a “yes” or a “no” out of Michael Mukasey.
Ideally, you should lock this government down financially until a special prosecutor is appointed — or fifty of them — but I’m not holding my breath. The “yes” or the “no” on water-boarding will have to suffice.
Because, remember if you can’t get it, or you won’t with the time between tonight and the next presidential election likely to be the longest year of our lives, you are leaving this country, and all of us, to the water-boards — symbolic and otherwise — of George W. Bush.
Ultimately, Mr. Bush, the real question isn’t who approved the water-boarding of this fiend Khalid Sheik Mohammed and two others.
It is: why were they water-boarded?
Study after study for generation after generation, sir, has confirmed that torture gets people to talk, torture gets people to plead, torture gets people to break, but torture does not get them to tell the truth.
Of course, Mr. Bush, this isn’t a problem if you don’t care if the terrorist plots they tell you about, are the truth or just something to stop the tormentors from drowning them.
If, say, a President simply needed a constant supply of terrorist threats to keep a country scared…
If, say, he needed phony plots to play hero during, and to boast about interrupting, and to use to distract people from the threat he didn’t interrupt…
If, say, he realized that even terrorized people still need good ghost stories before they will let a President pillage the Constitution…
Well, heck, Mr. Bush, who better to dream them up for you… than an actual terrorist?
He’ll tell you every thing he ever fantasized doing, in his most horrific of daydreams — his equivalent of the day you “flew” onto the deck of the Lincoln to explain you’d won in Iraq.
Now if that’s what this is all about — you tortured not because you’re so stupid you think torture produces confession — but you tortured because you’re smart enough to know it produces really authentic-sounding fiction — well, then you’re going to need all the lawyers you can find because that crime wouldn’t just mean impeachment, would it, sir?
That crime would mean George W. Bush is going to prison.
Thus the master tumblers turn, and the lock yields, and the hidden explanations can all be perceived, in their exact proportions, in their exact progressions.
Daniel Levin’s eminently practical, eminently logical, eminently patriotic way of testing the legality of waterboarding has to vanish — and him, with it.
Thus Alberto Gonzales has to use that brain that sounds like an old car trying to start on a freezing morning, to undo eight centuries of the forward march of law and government.
Thus Dick Cheney, has to ridiculously assert that confirming we do or do not use any particular interrogation technique, would somehow help the terrorists.
Thus Michael Mukasey, on the eve of the vote that will make him the high priest of the law of this land, cannot and must not answer a question, nor even hint that he has thought about a question, which merely concerns the theoretical definition of water-boarding as torture.
Because, Mr. Bush, in the seven years of your nightmare presidency, this whole string of events has been transformed from its beginning as the most neglectful protection ever, of the lives and safety of the American people into the most efficient and cynical exploitation of tragedy for political gain in this country’s history.
And, then, to the giddying prospect that you could do what the military fanatics did in Japan in the 1930’s and re-make a nation into a fascist state so efficient and so self-sustaining, that the fascism would be nearly invisible.
But at last this frightful plan is ending with an unexpected crash, the shocking reality that no matter how thoroughly you might try to extinguish them, Mr. Bush, how thoroughly you tried to brand disagreement as disloyalty, Mr. Bush, there are still people like Daniel Levin who believe in the United States of America as true freedom, where we are better, not because of schemes and wars, but because of dreams and morals.
And ultimately, sir, these men, these patriots, will defeat you and they will return this country to its righteous standards, and to its rightful owners, the people.
Good night, and good luck.
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Thank You, Keith.
If they haul you away when we go "Pakistan" we will come and break you out!
IMPEACH!
Thank you, Keith
God Bless Keith. God Damn bush.
I apologize..... I didn't read it! Was it at the beginning or later in the show?
I'm at work and will get home in time to watch from like 10:15 or so! I want to see it LIVE!
Hey Keith if your reading this.....THANK YOU.And don't stop.Keep up the good work ,the country needs a voice now more than ever.
Oh yeah - thanks.
I could hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic in my head while he gave this one. Nuff said.
woohoo!
If George W. Bush is not behind bars sometime in the near future, with Cheney and Gonzales, then there is no justice.
That was Great ... Was that on American TV?
Thank you Keith, Cheney and Bush must be stopped now, or the worst is yet to come.
Once again, this lone MSM patriot doesn't suffer sellouts, fools, incompetents or evil gladly.
One KO is worth the whole gaggle of war and terror pimps and media whores our fragile republic is cursed with. KO's words, outrage, ridicule resonate..
That was intense, Keith!
Seriously I doubt there will ever be justice for the incredible number of war crimes this filth of a president has committed.
If only the Democrats in Congress could muster up a fraction of the integrity and fortitude of Daniel Levin. Oh well, a moose can dream...
May the powers of good watch over him. I'm sure he must be on a list by now.
Olberman hit the nail on the head with that piece. I hope Schumer and DiFi watched it too.
But most of all I hope the warcrimes prosecuters in The Hague will watch it too ;)
Even granting that torture (and I agree that waterboarding deserves that label) is inherently wrong, I am less concerned with torturing K.S. Mohammed (who is presumably guilty) than for any number of random, anonymous detainees who are likely guilty of little more than driving their cab. That's a stronger argument against the practice, and why it needs to be banned outright.
That [virtually] said, Olbermann's about the only mainstream talking head bringing it. More please.
Kyle @ 8:
curious.
I heard Something In The Air by Thunderclap Newman
Keith was absolutely on fire and made me proud to be an American. Although he was controlled in his delivery, the dry spittle on his lips was a giveaway of the passion he feels for the subject.
What amazes me at this juncture in time is the fact that with every passing day more and more of Bush's felonious behavior is exposed but lazy, fatass Americans sit idly by watching wrassling, NASCAR, and infotainment stories about Brittney, Jacko, Paris and OJ while our country's Constitution is dismantled, our economic stability is destroyed, and our nation's reputation that was built upon our father's blood, sweat and toil is eroded beyond recognition. What exactly does this moron and his band of co-conspirators have to do for the people of this country to take notice and react. For chrissake, our progenitors waged a war of independence over a 10% tax burden. With the interesting (cointelpro) plethora of nooses appearing around the country, you'd have thought Bush et alia would have ended up in one of them by now.
An Edwin R Murrow event folks.
I noticed he made a reference to billo in that speech.
Thank you Keith. You definitely speak for me. When you feel like no matter what a person does, nobody hears them, no matter what you do, nobody cares, YOU say EXACTLY what we are thinking and feeling. Thank you. You are the voice of MOST of America. Maybe someone will finally listen. (Hello Congress.. are you paying attention?)
I agree, KO speaks for me too.
Keith , if you're reading this, thank you for expressing what so many of us want to say but don't have a public platform. We have been so angry and frustrated that no one seems to be listening to us including the Democrats for whom some of worked to get elected. I'm thrilled you mentioned Schumer and Feinstein (Why not Lieberman?). There's got to be another dynamic that is going on which we aren't privy to because it is so apparent that Mukasey should not be nominated. They cannot be that stupid!
It takes courage to speak out against this administration and I applaud you for your courage.
Thank you, Keith!
Bob In Pai Thailand @ 11:
LOL. Believe it or not , yes it was .
He's one of the last bastions of the truth.
That crime would mean George W. Bush is going to prison.
And he said it, fuck yeah!
Speaking of Cowards, if Olbermann is the Edward R. Morrow of out time, why won't he ever participate in a situation where his comments can be challenged? Just wondering.
Awesome KO! The Senate should drop kick Mukasey and hold out for Daniel Levin as the new AJ, along with a new Special Prosecutor to lay the groundwork for BushCheney's indictment and criminal conviction. Impeachment's not enough. They need to be tried and, once convicted, sent to prison.
I want to BE THERE when they march him out in handcuffs.
Keith is a Brave Patriot. He has once again inspired me to do my best as a citizen to stop this nightmare. I mourn for the America I once knew. I will be taking part in the General Strike tommorrow. I will also call my congresspeople and tell them I do not want to live in a Facist country. I want to Thank Keith for his bravery and Love of America that he continues to fight for. If nothing else everyone try not to by anything on Tuesday 11-6-07 and Google General Strike for some other ideas.
It was his best yet...dead on the money...
I was referring to Bush, but I forgot Cheney and Gonzales as well. A three-fer.. That would be worth the price of a ticket.
Olby's Wig @ 28:
He's offered to debate with anyone anytime....but no takers....speaking of cowards....hey olby's wig...why did you dodge my question on the other thread.
I am so sick of the lack of action. What I want to know is what the hell can we do about congress and their not doing what we elected them to do.
Do we have the authority to recall any of the representatives. Can we do it by starting a petition. What what what can we do.
liberalNmoderation @ 357:
Apparently you slept through 9/11. oh wait...that was Bush too....silly silly liberals
Jeff @ 359:
No Jeffy, actually I was in that five sided building that got hit. Hard to sleep with all the fire and screaming.
Isn't it about your bed time now?
Marge @ 35:
All progressives can do is hold the current Dems accountable by electing them out of office next term cycle. Reid, Feinstein, Pelosi, etc. can be removed from office but it will take some effort. Unfortunately, most Americans don't care enough to even vote!
Doug @ 327:
Well, if you knew IN ADVANCE that a prisoner is, in fact a terrorist, and does have information that he can give you that would save lives, it might be an easier decision. HOWEVER, when the torturer is acting as judge, jury and executioner for a prisoner who has not been given due process, you cannot argue that there is an ethically defensible process at work. The end can never justify the means when a process allows potentially innocent people to be subjected to this kind of injustice in a fishing expedition for information.
Jeff @ 360:
No I was at work you troglodyte, you were in school bullying the smart kids, stupid stupid neo-con...
JustSickOfIt @ 355:
Thanks for the comment JustStickOfShit. That's the ol' "If you're not in the army you can't support winning the war" liberal line. Can't you come up with something new?
War sucks. It's too bad we live in a world where crazy ass Muslims want to kill Americans because America is free and they want American women to be second class citizens and want all husbands to be able to beat their wives and hang gays and stone women to death for "sex crimes".
But I don't want that to happen. So I want the US to defeat any movement that says "become a Muslim or die". But maybe you want to wait until they kill us first? :)
Jeff @ 353:
Jeff, Jeff, Jeff from what do you extrapolate that I'm a "follower of Al Gore"? I'm going with the feeling that (if you're old enough to drive) you're one of those gung-ho, gun-toting, Tahoe-driving mofos. Perhaps you've got one of those "Proud to be American" bumperstickers as well.
I'm arrogant? That's rich coming from such a condescending fellow such as yourself.
Doug -- same goes for you. Seems you & Jeffy are 2 peas in a pod.
If we outlawed all torture, would we still be allowed to play to prisoners John Ashcroft's singing, Let the Eagle Soar on an endless tape loop?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubjgisuitDw
I bet the Eagles were sore.
Doug @ 365:
No, not us, just you.
Doug @ 365:
You are a moron Doug. Plain and simple, straight up moron. You have bought into the jingoistic BS that I am so fucking sick of...I don't think I'm alone in this sentiment either.
It's too bad we live in a world where crazy ass CHRISTIAN SUPREMACISTS want to bring about the second coming of Jeeeeebus, and destroy the world in the process...oh and ain't that what most of these republican neo-cons want too? Oh wait, they want to "hang out" with the gays. Not hang them...alotta you boys just kickin down that closet door ain't ya? LMAO...PATHETIC!!!
Dr. Acula @ 345:
It’s a real pleasure having Doug & Jeff here today. Booyah! Torture is good! Murka - love it or leave it! How many yellow ribbons are on your SUVs? Bush/Cheney stickers?
Nah, the elections been over for quite a while now. But I do have
354 Doug Says:
Nuke the Whales
Warm the Earth - Drive an SUV
Celebrate Guantanamo
I speed up to run over hybrids
AND
Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my gun
May you have a girlfriend with the same inebriation, depth perception, and hand-eye coordination of Laura Welch.
10 slippytoad Says: If George W. Bush is not behind bars sometime in the near future... then there is no justice.
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I heard he's been sprawled beneath a few.
Doug @ 365:
BTW, thanks for proving my assertion. You are a chicken-shit-hawk that loves war as long as it's not YOUR ass in the line of fire. Your "arguments" come from ignorance of facts and the Fux news talking points. Spend one day in some boots in 120F sand and THEN tell me you support the war, chicken shit.
liberalNmoderation @ 369:
Yeah, the Republicans are your real enemy. The Islamo Fascists will love you and respect you.
Am I knocking the closet door down? I don't care if it's open or closed. I don't give a damn. Do I care if Muslim fascists kill gays? Yeah, I do. Do I care if Muslim fascists stone women to death? Yes, I do.
Do you?
Do you see gays being hung in America?
Do you see women being stoned to death in America?
It's happening in the middle east and they want to bring it to you. Are you ready for it?
365 Doug Says:
But I don’t want that to happen. So I want the US to defeat any movement that says “become a Muslim or die”. But maybe you want to wait until they kill us first?
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Actually Douggie, here is the threat we all should be watching for:
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOfDominionismInAmer...
Dougie, there's no such thing as an "Islamofascist", okay? You ARE a good parrot, though. You've proven you've learned all the talking points by heart. Congrats!
Now wake up and realize that the majority of the scumbags who attacked us on 9/11 were SAUDIS -- not Iraqis or Iranians -- our "allies" the Saudis. They're not trying to bring their way of life over here (as opposed to what Busholini is trying to do in the ME). They (Muslims) want us to get the f*ck out of their countries, pure and simple.
Got it yet, Chickenhawk?
So, I hear that the Kucinich motion to impeach Cheney was tabled, under the direction of none other than Steney Hoyer. Spineless Democratic leadership, and they expect me to donate money to the Democratic Party?
Is it time for a National Strike yet? What provocation will it take for this idea to take hold? I am inclined to just keep asking this question again and again until it ripens. Isn't it time we went on strike? No more business as ususal until this government is reformed and responsive. Who is going to join me on this? The silence is deafening!
Here's Douggie's biggest hero:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeLw-jWx3-0
Dr. Acula @ 375:
So in Iran and Saudi they hang gays, stone women and vow to kill Jews, but there's no Islamofascists.
I say actions speak louder than words.
Where is the gay hanging, woman stoning and Jew killing in America, guys? Show me the pictures. Show me the documents.
I give up on you.
This was Keith's best Special Comment yet.
A thought: if - as Bush & Cheney want us to believe - we don't use waterboarding, then how can the military who did it on Levine know precisely how to use it and so effectively? Hmmm. Practice makes perfect?
Doug @ 373:
Doug, ya poor dumb bastard...Islamofascism is an oxymoron created by the Neo-Conservatives to give you sheep yet ANTOHER imaginary thing to fear so they can finally create the fascist state they've had hard-ons for for 30 years.
All that shit you say the "islamofascists" are going to do...just WTF do you think THIS FASCIST govt.'s gonna do, throw a goddamn tea party?
You, and ALL WHO BELIEVE AS YOU ARE SHEEP!!!!
And for cryin out loud, stop listenin to limpballs, o'rly, and the rest of the fascist facilitators (sp?)
That little brain you have, they've washed it real good for ya...oh yeah.
Douggie, fascism is where the corporationists and nationalists merge together into one amalgamous and amorphous blob.
The Islamic folk to one degree or another want a THEOCRACY, much like our Dominionsts.
ysbaddaden @ 377:
That's funny as hell. I loved those cartoons. Tom Slick was good too.
Doug @ 378:
Doug...as your collaborator Jeffie, asked earlier..."do I even know what fascism is?" I suggest you find out the the meaning of fascism, and maybe you'll see wherein your error lies...ah who am I kiddin? You knuckle-draggin, troglodyte, phillistine, mouth breathers don't concern yourselves with meaningless facts. You watch Fox News, where they make up facts when it best suits their purpose. Choads! The whole stinkin lot!
ysbaddaden @ 381:
Thank you! Geeeeezus H.W. Schmidt on rubber crutches!!! Tryin to talk to these people is...well, like tryin to talk logic to a 3 year old...except you have to repeat yourself more often...
Sun Tzu in his Art of War insisted that one must indentify one's enemy correctly, so as to anticipate their movement, thereby setting plans to defeat that movement.
If the enemy is not so properly labeled than, "The best-laid plans o' mice an' men
Gang aft a-gley..."
Jeff @ 315:
have to say you make some good points (some I agree with, some I dont)..but please, could you tell me exactly when you served this country??
liberalNmoderation @ 383:
So when your mother and sister are being beaten for not wearing their burkas and there are calls to stop the Islamo fascists, you say "oh, no, they're not fascists. they're theocrats." I'm sure your mother and sister will feel better knowing you know the academic definition of fascist.
Now, since you've dodged my point by trying to prove to the world that you've learned the textbook definition of fascist, why don't you address the point of the Islamo-fascist movement to have you live by their creed.
384 liberalNmoderation
I'd probably need that three year old to explain Tivo and Bluetooth to me.
Doug @ 387:
That will never happen ya silly bastard, lol! I will likely be defending them and myself from the likes of you for not believin in Jeeeebus hard enough.
Ok, let me say THIS ONE MORE TIME!!!! Islamo...fascism...is....an...oxy....MORON!
A buzzword created by William Kristol most likely...And as for the last part of your...question...WTF? Doesn't make a whole lotta sense there Sonny-Jim, then again, NOTHING you've said all damn day has either.
Doug, just WTF are you SO afraid of? Remember "we're fighting them over there, so we don't have to fight them here!"
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
387 Doug
You're still ignoring our more pressing threat of our Dominionists.
They actually advocate the death penalty for other Christians who don't believe in their way.
Funny thing, although they'd be seen by Roman Catholics as being in one of the 13 Great Heresies with their emphasis on sola scriptura, and sola fide, and they in turn would accuse followers of the See as being superstitious papists, they all pretty much agree with the Nicean, Athanasian and Apostle's Creed (even the Confessional Low churches), and the Definition of Chalcedon (with the exception of Anathemas of the Second Council of Constantinople (553 CE), and Article VI where Mary is called “ever virgin,” but the rest which establishes her theotokos status (iin opposition to a title of only Christotokos) that came from the Nestorian heresy, which was a response to the Monophysite heresy, which was a response to...
Anywho ya get the idea.
ysbaddaden @ 388:
Hehehe, no shit, lol same here...
ysbaddaden @ 391:
Awesome, but could ya dumb it down a little? For our....not quite as bright as a bag of shit, dumber'n a box o' stupid, friends? There little minds are like the warp reactor on the original star trek, they can't go very fast with out cracking.
torture does work, but not as it is commonly promoted.
torture is what terrorists like cheney and bush use to promote terrorism.
torture has nothing to do with 'intelligence'.
torture has everything to do with 'fear'.
sadly, many americans respond fearfully to torture's advocates.
happily, most do not.
mr olbermann speaks for me, my children and my grandchildren.
peas!
Ronnie Raygun started the dumbing-down of this country and Dumbya has perfected it because the sheeple just don't give a shit.