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On October 7th, 2003, President Bush famously declared of the outing of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame, "I don't know if we're going to find out the senior administration official." Now we have more insight as to Bush's misplaced confidence that the truth would remain hidden. In his new tell-all book, former White House press secretary Scott McClellan claims President Bush himself played an instrumental role in the failed cover up.

For the details, see:
"McClellan Book Confirms Bush's October 2003 Plamegate Lie."

can that asshole NOW be charged with treason?

hope @ 6:

But that's just an itty bitty issue (one of 1,000)--not enough to begin impeachment hearings, right?

Actually it is a great big huge ass reason and one that even a conservative can embrace. It is out and out Treason to out a CIA operative in a time of war. A war created by those who outed her.

Agreed.. TREASON!!

xoites defends Constitution @ 7:

hope @ 6:

But that's just an itty bitty issue (one of 1,000)--not enough to begin impeachment hearings, right?

Actually it is a great big huge ass reason and one that even a conservative can embrace. It is out and out Treason to out a CIA operative in a time of war. A war created by those who outed her.

I know, I know. I wish Pelosi knew.

TREASON... and IMPEACHMENT...

Finally ON THE TABLE like a great big Thanksgiving TURKEY!
McClellan finally handed us a KNIFE.
START CARVING!

I guess this is when the neocons will chirp in again with the "she was never covert" talking point BS....

You guys are jumping the gun. While I personally believe these 5 men (and many more in the Admin) are guilty of treason, I would happily take convictions on perjury, fraud, conspiracy, you name it. I have been for impeachment for years, pick your crime, we've got plenty to choose from. What will it take Nancy?

Anyways, my question, is: why Scotty why? This is only a prereleased nuggest from a book that doesn't come out for 6 months April of 08 is very interesting timing. Why this book? What's he attempting to gain? He's no more a truth-teller then any of the other assholes he worked with every day. What am I missing?

There was a hearing waaay back in 2005 in which former CIA officials testified re: what grave damage the Plame outing did to US intelligence gathering, how many years it would probably take to recover, and the danger other operatives were exposed to as a result of the outing.
Nobody gave a flying f*ck. It is a pure pity that nothing has been done and I'll be surprised if anything comes of McClellan's disclosure.

rat bastahd @ 17:

You guys are jumping the gun. While I personally believe these 5 men (and many more in the Admin) are guilty of treason, I would happily take convictions on perjury, fraud, conspiracy, you name it. I have been for impeachment for years, pick your crime, we've got plenty to choose from. What will it take Nancy?

Anyways, my question, is: why Scotty why? This is only a prereleased nuggest from a book that doesn't come out for 6 months April of 08 is very interesting timing. Why this book? What's he attempting to gain? He's no more a truth-teller then any of the other assholes he worked with every day. What am I missing?

Patrick Fitzgerald has not finished his investigation. He can conveine a new Grand Jury, bring Snotty Scotty in and make him testify. Treason is what it is and being charged with and convicted of Treason is what they deserve.

Andy K @ 22:

xoites defends Constitution @ 12:

What i like about charging them with Treason is it is clean and simple and won't take thirty years to prosecute. I am against the death penalty but i think they should get life without parole.

Then we can go over all the other crimes when the corporate media is cowed.

Uhm...And I may be wrong on this...But I think that if Bush & Cheney were impeached and convicted the only penalty would be dismissal from office. And they'd have had their day in court and couldn't be tried later in a regular court- that would be double jeopardy. Hate to be a buzz killer.

However, I think, and once again I may be wrong, that if they weren't brought to trial until after their terms of office were up, Bush & Cheney might face harsher penalties.

Also, as far as Bush's then Chief of Staff (Card?) & Rove are concerned, none of the above is applicable. Expect them to be turned when facin' fraud & RICO charges.

I think when it comes to Treason whatever safeguards to a standing President are can be overcome.

Marc @ 24:

Judgement day is coming
They might not like what it’s gonna say
Judgement day is coming
The holy hypocrites are gonna pay

-Wackiavelli (written in '04)

Democracy is coming
To the U S A!

Leonard Cohen

The really important part of all this is how is the so called "watchdog media" going to deal with this information. Are they just going to act like it doesn't matter? My vote is yes and it tells a great deal about them and how they dealt with Clinton's fellatio problem with such intensity and devotion for so long.

Andy K @ 26:

xoites defends Constitution @ 23:

Andy K @ 22:

xoites defends Constitution @ 12:

Uhm...And I may be wrong on this...But I think that if Bush & Cheney were impeached and convicted the only penalty would be dismissal from office. And they'd have had their day in court and couldn't be tried later in a regular court- that would be double jeopardy. Hate to be a buzz killer.

However, I think, and once again I may be wrong, that if they weren't brought to trial until after their terms of office were up, Bush & Cheney might face harsher penalties.

Also, as far as Bush's then Chief of Staff (Card?) & Rove are concerned, none of the above is applicable. Expect them to be turned when facin' fraud & RICO charges.

I think when it comes to Treason whatever safeguards to a standing President are can be overcome.

Upon further study, individuals impeached and convicted are still open to prosecution through the courts.

Sometimes I'm glad when I'm wrong.

We can't get it right until we go over the details.

Plame Leak by White House Senior Staff: Treason

Bush's commutation of Scooter Libby now all makes sense, if he ended up behind bars, he might have squealed that bush and dick were ultimately behind the original plan to leak the covert identity of Valerie Plame.

That, my friends, is the textbook definition of treason.

Shorter McClellan: I Was A Paid Liar For Bush.
By: Christy Hardin Smith
Tuesday, November 20th, 2007 at 9:50 am

Former WH flack Scott McClellan has a new book coming out wherein he reveals that people in the Bush Administration had him fronting out lies to the public about the WH leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s CIA ties. Color me shocked. From E&P:
..”The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.
“There was one problem. It was not true.
“I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President’s chief of staff, and the president himself.”
Do tell, Scott. How, exectly, were “Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President’s chief of staff, and the president himself” involved in your lying to the public? I’d like all the details, please. Including when you learned that these were lies and what you did to correct the public misperceptions, if anything, what sorts of discussions were had about this in the WH, and whether you questioned the information when it was first given to you — or just obligingly parroted as you were told unless and until you were confronted with the fact that you were telling lies. And I’m certain I’m not alone in that sentiment. For your sake, I do hope you were fully forthcoming about this with the FBI. I’m just saying.
I think Kevin Drum summed this mini-kerfuffle up nicely:
Now, Lord knows I don’t want to question McClellan’s claim that his book was “written with no agenda other than to record his experiences and insights for the benefit of history.” But would it be presumptuous of me to suspect that his explanation of Plamegate is somehow going to make it out as nothing more than a silly mistake that the press blew all out of proportion?
Nothing like a little game of pass the buck between the smarm merchants of Bushworld, is there? Note the utter failure to take responsibility for lying to the public, the shunting of said responsibility onto others who have also failed to take responsibility for their respective actions, and the working of “the President’s chief of staff” into the mix of players. Anyone want to place a bet as to whether Andy Card gets set up as the go to fall guy? Emptywheel caught the same Card reference, and mentions the Wells’ card and notes that “just as a reminder, Card and Scottie left the White House within a week of each other–both happening just before Turdblossom’s final grand jury appearance.” (Anyone else’s spidey sense getting a little tingle? And while we’re asking questions, will Scottie own up to being one of the sources for the NYDailyNews story on Rove’s bush league handling of the whole mess? Enquiring minds and all.)
Perhaps, Scottie will spill all the assorted beans to get even for the Bush Administration treating his momma so shabbily in her TX gubernatorial bid. Not bloody likely…but stranger things have happened in gooberville.
(Illustration entitled Free Manure By Mr. Fish via Commandante Agi.)

http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/20/shorter-mcclellan-i-was-a-paid-lia...

xoites defends Constitution @ 23:

Andy K @ 22:

xoites defends Constitution @ 12:

What i like about charging them with Treason is it is clean and simple and won't take thirty years to prosecute. I am against the death penalty but i think they should get life without parole.

Then we can go over all the other crimes when the corporate media is cowed.

Uhm...And I may be wrong on this...But I think that if Bush & Cheney were impeached and convicted the only penalty would be dismissal from office. And they'd have had their day in court and couldn't be tried later in a regular court- that would be double jeopardy. Hate to be a buzz killer.

However, I think, and once again I may be wrong, that if they weren't brought to trial until after their terms of office were up, Bush & Cheney might face harsher penalties.

Also, as far as Bush's then Chief of Staff (Card?) & Rove are concerned, none of the above is applicable. Expect them to be turned when facin' fraud & RICO charges.

I think when it comes to Treason whatever safeguards to a standing President are can be overcome.

It would not be double jeopardy. The Senate Trial is not a criminal trial. The Senate can make it's own rules regarding the trial and all it's procedures. They don't even have to introduce evidence if that what they want to do. 'Course this is all for naught. Because the Neocons are still in power...Clinton,Pelosi, Weak Kneed Reid, Hoyer....

Many are asking why Scotty would do this. If I remember correctly, his Mother ran for office and the Repub party machine did not wholeheartily support her. Scotty goes with Petty. So maybe this is his way of striking back. If it is. He better be careful, he'll probably get suicided.
Peace.

Not just Valerie Plame, they destroyed the cover for Brewster-Jennings, too.

TREASON!

it could be Fitzmas all over again!

Straight Shooter @ 35:

Not just Valerie Plame, they destroyed the cover for Brewster-Jennings, too.

TREASON!

No one cares enough in congress...they don't give a sheet,

Andy @ 39:

Straight Shooter @ 35:

Not just Valerie Plame, they destroyed the cover for Brewster-Jennings, too.

TREASON!

No one cares enough in congress...they don't give a sheet,

If nothing comes of this i suggest we start sending our members of congress stuffed clowns with little notes asking them if they have any work experience.

nirak @ 40:

AGREED=TREASON
Off with Bush's and Cheneys HEAD

You have the tense right. Between the two of them they posses one head.

kudos to john dean -- he's one of the rare republicans who has consistently seen through these neo-con nutters and spoke out against it.

There actually should be a congressional hearing. Bring Scotty in and grill him. Find out all he knows, do it in public.

Then any member of congress who is in any way supportive of this President will either run and hide or march down Pennsyvania Ave and demand the resignation of the entire junta.

Then we can arrest them, try them and if found guilty imprisson them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From The Declaration of Independence
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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, It is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, Laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to Laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Every Democrat should be screaming IMPEACH now, it's on the table. Ironic, it's the Thanksgiving table with all the turkey Repugs as the menu.

“I had unknowingly passed along false information."

I don't buy it. I think he knew he was lying, thought it back then and upon rehearing what he said back then tonight I still think it's obvious. But even if he's telling the truth now, he lied back then (according to Merrium-Websters), as there's a definition of "lie" that goes like: Something untrue told by someone whether it be known to be true or not.

Stanley Rosenthal @ 53:

“I had unknowingly passed along false information."

I don't buy it. I think he knew he was lying, thought it back then and upon rehearing what he said back then tonight I still think it's obvious. But even if he's telling the truth now, he lied back then (according to Merrium-Websters), as there's a definition of "lie" that goes like: Something untrue told by someone whether it be known to be true or not.

Fine, Stan, but Scotty is not the real issue. He can get immunity as far as i am concerned. His testimony should end this travesty once and for all.

Sorry, i meant this quote:

FreedomOfInformationAct @ 49:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From The Declaration of Independence
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, It is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, Laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to Laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

xoites defends Constitution @ 36:

33 Human

In Watergate there was a straw that broke the camel's back; the Saturday Night Massacre.

This cabal of usurpers have been piling bales upon bales onto this poor camel's back and it can take no more.

I agree. Hopefully this straw will be a thick one.
Peace.

please no more merry fitzmass , never again , fitz knew this shit all the while , they just threw libby as a bone knowing hed get pardoned ,thier all in it together!

Haven't you guys heard? Impeachment is off the table. Pursuing this any further would only have "stunt" value. Nothing to see here.

JasonS @ 63:

Haven't you guys heard? Impeachment is off the table. Pursuing this any further would only have "stunt" value. Nothing to see here.

Fine, we will keep it off the table and put it on the floor!

Of the House where it belongs!

Andy @ 66:

tyree @ 61:

please no more merry fitzmass , never again , fitz knew this shit all the while , they just threw libby as a bone knowing hed get pardoned ,thier all in it together!

thank you...I saw this and was so pissed that this fat asshat admits to fibbing in a friggin "book" "to be released in April" while our country goes bankrupt and we plow money into a war sending our kids to a sand pit...maybe that orange on a toothpick head of his started getting too heavy for him to sleep at night but it's too late Scotty...you are still a cowardly arse.

given the spineless nature of the DINO's and Nancy's clean lemon pledged empty table...why anyone would even think that this is a meaningful story is beyond me.

I used to be cynical, but i can't keep up.

getalife @ 68:

Dodd wants to investigate w about this:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003675070&imw=Y

There you go, Andy. It is an election year! :)

getalife @ 68:

Dodd wants to investigate w about this:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003675070&imw=Y

AP reported this afternoon: "White House press secretary Dana Perino said it wasn't clear what McClellan meant in the excerpt and she had no immediate comment.

Not clear? LOL She must be crapping her panties. Her job just lost all credibility.

Our man Scotty in action!

Yo Fitz!....

Go do that Voodoo that you do so well!....

(Wahoo!)....

Impeach. Indict. Imprison.

...

AConfederacyofDunces @ 78:

Impeach. Indict. Imprison.

...

For TREASON

Amen