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Rove Re-Writes History. Again.

I truly don't think the man is capable of a single honest thought or statement.  But this is so transparently dishonest that it's laughable.  Who does this guy think he's fooling...other than Charlie Rose?

 

Think Progress:

(O)n The Charlie Rose Show, former Bush political adviser Karl Rove claimed that he was "opposed" to holding the pre-war Iraq vote just ahead of the 2002 elections. "The administration was opposed to voting on it in the fall of 2002," Rove said. He stated that his upcoming book will argue that the administration did not want to schedule an Iraq war vote prior to the 2002 elections. 

You know, I don't blame Rove for floating the lie.  After all, like the old proverb goes, you don't get mad at the snake for biting you because you knew what he was before you picked him up.  But Jumping Jiminy, why in the hell doesn't Charlie Rose at least scoff a little bit at Rove's statement?  How can any person with more than a two digit IQ and a semblance of a moral compass let the man behind the most politicized White House administration in decades get away with such a flaming pile of lies?

PERRspectives looks at another revisionist version of history involving Rove. 

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Frist!

Rove is beyond slime.
He has NO credibility, No morals, and NO sense of any decency.

For Newsweek to hire this slime shows how low they are willing to go to pander.

Rove is a liar's liar.

In fucking credible. He just blamed congress for this fucking boondoggle!

why in the hell doesn’t Charlie Rose at least scoff a little bit at Rove’s statement?

I guess you don't watch Charlie all that often His whole metier is having on guests would are controversial and may have vitally important things to contribute to the public debate. And Charlie does his absolute best to make sure his guests DO NOT get a chance to make that contribution. Charlie is poorly informed about both his guests and the issues with which they are associated. His interviewing technique consists of leading a guest right up to the threshold of making an important statement, and then derailing the conversation with an non-related question.

So him allowing Rove (or anyone else) to sit there and spout lies on camera is par for the course. Do yourself a favor and stop watching him.

He stated that his upcoming book...

Will someone please think of the trees?!

Karl Rove: his hubris knows no bounds. 'Breathtaking' should always be used to adjectify anything this creature says (in a negative sense of course).

Brian @ 3:

In fucking credible. He just blamed congress for this fucking boondoggle!

Which to the average American means the Democrats caused this war, because the Democrats are in control of congress. Damn Democrats, oh 2002, but that's a different time, this is 2000 and 7 it's a different time.

BTW where are my emails? Karl maybe the NSA or AT&T can get them back for you......

Like Limbaugh and other reich-wing losers, Rove must have been picked on a lot as a kid. Must have always felt a raging sense of inadequacy, of ugliness, of impotence. He entered politics to exact his revenge. And we're all paying for his vengeance.

Yes, rove let the congress take the blame. George W. Bush and his idiots had nothing to do with starting this war. He is a sick man. Charlie how could you let him get by with blaming congress?

The Fourth Estate is a joke. At first I thought they were frightened of being labeled treasonous by Coulter and O'Reilly if they challenged the Republicans on anything. I've become convinced they're basically lazy. It's easier to let a right winger spin his or her lie du jour than to say wait a minut.

Look what happened to Matthews when he called Bolton a neo-con. When Bolton pointed his finger and bristled Matthews should have reminded him that truth is more important than image. Bolton's head would have exploded and Coulter would have written another book about it, but Matthews would have taken a giant step on the path toward journalism.

I am not sure if he is lying. Sure he's an evil scumbag, but this time it seems he may have been telling the truth. They wanted to schedule the vote after the 2002 election so they could have time to ramp up the propaganda. After all, Andy Card said, "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August."

(Digression: Just think about this. They viewed a war as a product. A PRODUCT!!! Sorry. Back to my statement.)

As I said earlier, they probably needed time to "sell" the war "product" before they introduced the legislation. So, he had to wait until after the 2002 election so the American People were more afraid and whipped up into a frenzy.

Either way, Rove is still an evil scumbag.

Bob @ 7:

Brian @ 3:

In fucking credible. He just blamed congress for this fucking boondoggle!

Which to the average American means the Democrats caused this war, because the Democrats are in control of congress. Damn Democrats, oh 2002, but that's a different time, this is 2000 and 7 it's a different time.

BTW where are my emails? Karl maybe the NSA or AT&T can get them back for you......

Right...because Americans don't pay enought attention to the changeover in our congress. All they know is what's happening now, or at least what they are told is happening now. Like I said; in-fucking-credible!

Because they work for Roves boss's.
Why does this surprise anyone anymore?

This effete liar will be grilled by other interviewers when he appears on other programs hawking his tome. If he wants to sell his book he has to promote it, and some one with a smidgen of journalistic integrity left has to call him to the carpet for this revisionist drivel. He is a thing.

Charlie Rose is always trying to win the Miss Congeniality award. He sat there and never pointed out to Rove that The Republicans were in charge of the Congress, and they had total control of what was brought to the floor. Rose also never pointed out to Rove that "The Decider" in the White House refused to give the UN Inspectors more time, and ordered when the Attack on Iraq was to begin. Charlie Rose is a potted plant.

Rove also claimed that the War in Iraq is going well, because the NY Times and the Washington Post say it is, but it was not going badly when the same papers reported that it was going badly. Rose let Rove get away with that blatant bit of nonsense, and allowed him to use witnesses that he first Impeached, and then used as character witnesses. Mr. Rose; Retire, you passive hack.

I love that the first "mistake" he mentions is that they didn't try to dismantle Social Security EARLIER.

And the notion that Karl Rove would be *against* making the IWR vote into an election issue is simply laughable, of course. He could've reasonably tried to argue that he had no opinion on it, that he didn't actively get entangled in policy issues that way, etc., etc.-- I wouldn't have believed it, but he could've rationally argued that point.

But to say the WH was *against* holding the IWR vote ahead of the elections just flies in the face of common sense. It's not even worth deconstructing. It's like he's asserting that gravity pulls things upward.

Dogs will bark and cats will mew, and Karl Rove will lie.

FYI, a 2-digit IQ can still be average. An IQ of 97 is average. 68% of all people fall between 85-115. However, i do expect our leaders to be of higher IQ :)

kiva

I generally like Charley Rose. But he doesn't ask the tough questions. Maybe because he tries to be friends with all his guests.

SHUT UP, CHARLIE! SHUT UP, CHARLIE! SHUT UP, CHARLIE!

Charlie Rose's would perform a public service if he gave folks like Rove time to tell all the whoppers they wanted so that others could debunk - lie by lie.

I can not watch Charlie Rose. I am alway so annoyed I miss half of what he does allow others to say.

Well, well, well... it appears everyone from the scummy white house is writing a book, huh?! Yet another way to take people's money, I guess. What a bunch of losers these turds are.

Charlie Rose is a star-fucker. One notch above Larry King.

Seeing Rove on TV anywhere makes my blood boil.

He should be behind bars.

rove speaks only to the base. i can not remember a time when he spoke to america as a whole. no this man and the boy king that he server speak and govern only to their base supporters and no one else. look for the repube koolaide drinking talking empty heads to start using this bit of revisionist history. it is becomming apparent and common that neaocons are practicing the same revisions to their total cluster-f record of the past 7 years. unfortunately we have lost the journatism in the MSM so these lies will go unchecked, unquestioned and repeated until they become the supposed truth. classic rove, keep spinning the lie until it is believed.

Rove spoke one (partial) truth.

He said he 'was a nerd', but neglected to mention that he is still a nerd, and will always be a nerd. To give him the benefit of the doubt, perhaps he though it superfluous to mention, since it is so obvious.

But he also neglected to mention that the twisted, warped, 'win-at-all-costs' approach he takes to politics, as opposed to one of comity and compromise, amiable working together with others (not all others, just those who are rational, sit back down, you CrazyChristianFundamentalistEvangelicalBornAgainBoobRapturists), is the result of his personal 'Revenge of the Nerd', the psychotic striking out at all rational folks who disdain his nerdism.

He also neglects to mention that if it weren't for the auspicious (for him) accident of coming across another nerd, of wealth, connections, and absolutely no concept of rationality and reason, he (Rove) would not even be a flyspeck on the flypaper of history.

So when Bush finally meets his maker, Rove is another disaster for which he will be held accountable.

Fuck you KKKarl Rove!

"We don't control when congress holds a vote"

Sure...

With your right hand you were Wanking-Off the GOP Rubberstamp Congress to hold a vote

With your left hand you were whipping the populous into frenzy of fear and loathing with "Yellow Cake" assertions

Rove epitomizes this group of crooks who try to squirm out of any responsibility for the mess they have made here and abroad. I can't think of anything foul enought to call this scum. His very name has become a signifier for scum. He is a "Rove"!

It doesn't MATTER that the Congressional Resolution was put to a vote before our 2002 elections. It was NOT a "vote for the war". READ IT. It was a vote authorizing military force IF Iraq refused to cooperate with or failed the WMD inspection process (which it DID NOT). Consequently, there was no concern about putting such a vote on the table "too soon" or in a rush before the 2002 elections.

Rose creatively fills in the blanks for Rove at the end of the clip suggesting that if there hadn't been such a "rush" to have that vote, we could have had more inspections and, therefore, avoided the invasion. NONSENSE.

That vote put inspections on the table with teeth. That vote put troops right outside Iraq's borders and FORCED Saddam Hussein to "PRO-ACTIVELY" cooperate with the inspections, as the international inspectors were reporting using exactly that word WEEKS before Bush invaded anyway. And they were also reporting that Iraq WAS NOT failing the inspection process and that they were NOT finding the WMD on which an invasion was predicated.

Rose is simply an enabler for Rove to continue the pro-Bush/GOP agenda of MISLEADING the American people about what that Congressional Resolution was specifically designed to authorize. It was NOT a "vote for war". It was a vote to force inspections in order to determine if there was really any compelling reason to go to war.

The inspectors found NO compelling reason to go to war and reported as much weeks before March 20, 2003. But Bush invaded anyway.

Rove isn't even that clever. He's just up against the DUMBEST array of media idiots ever to grace the television screens and pages of the national press in U.S. history and he knows it.

Once a liar - always a liar.

How can any person with more than a two digit IQ and a semblance of a moral compass let the man behind the most politicized White House administration in decades get away with such a flaming pile of lies?

Because that's what our main stream media is told to do. Ask softball questions and never ever call any Republican on their bullshit. Oh, and to keep the conversation as irrelevant as possible.

Now that Rove is out talking in the media, I've been amazed at how utterly transparent his deceptions are. I guess I credited a guy who somehow got an unqualified, incompetent George Bush into office twice would be more self-aware and appreciative of the intellect of the audience, but alas, no. Read his opening anecdote about Hillary Clinton in his first Newsweek column. He believes it is "a small but telling story" about Hillary Clinton, but of course it is a revealing look into his own methods of sticking to a deceptive political narrative despite any supporting facts.

I am really stunned at what a simpleton he is - no wonder he was able to put up with Bush for so many years.

Karl Rove is living proof that all history is bullshit. History is always filtered through the subjective viewpoint of the history writer.

In a way I don't think Rove is lying. I'm sure he'd have rather waged war w/o a vote at all.

the pathological revisionist turd who should be serving life in prison

I time shift Rose every night. I loathe him!

I only watch when somebody interesting is on and I have noticed that his style is not so much to try to kill the Dems with the "go for the jugular" questions a la Russert, but to interrupt with a sidetracking question midthought as the Dems are attempting to answer his last one - while facilitating whatever BS the wingnuts want to excrete. He managed to prevent RFK jr from completing a coherent thought - and Kennedy is a brilliant man. I was very impressed at how well Marcos (of Daily Kos) handled him in spite of all that.

It would be easy to conclude that Rose is "fair and balanced" from the apparent non partisanship he displays - far from the actual case. I also notice that the worst of the wingnuts tend to get the whole hour to spew, while progressives get a segment.

Remember how Mukasey caved after stating unequivocally that waterboarding was torture?

Rose got a "phone call" from the Administration who has the purse strings tied to PBS and warned him about what he could ask Rove.

This man is a former Bush employee and everyone's running around scared of him like he's Mussolini. Must be that gangsta mentality residing on Pennsylvania Avenue, huh?

It's all a matter of fate, circumstance.

Rove was just born at the wrong time, in the wrong place.

He'd have gone over great in the Soviet Union under Stalin (though he probably wouldn't have lived as long), or in the Third Reich (he'd have made a fantastic Goebbles).

Charlie Rose rolled out the red carpet for Ahmed Chalabi during the run up to the war. Charlie also had more guests who were promoting the war than those who were questioning it. I'll never forget the time when he had Hans Blix on the show and Mr. Blix stated that he did not believe that Saddam had WMD's , Charlie then displayed an astonished look on his face and cried, "Really?".
Charlie has also had that war criminal Henry Kissinger on his show several times without challenging him, nor did he ask Charlie Wilson any tough questions. Rose is a corporate whore. I stopped watching his show three years ago.

It could have been Bush's first VETO. But it was Bush and his administration who pushed for the war resolution to be passed.

Charlie Rose is always trying to win the Miss Congeniality award. He sat there and never pointed out to Rove that The Republicans were in charge of the Congress, and they had total control of what was brought to the floor.

Which is why you will never see the likes of Rove on Keith Olbermann's show. Or any of the other ReThug schills you've listed, for that matter.

D.G. Bowman @ 8:

Like Limbaugh and other reich-wing losers, Rove must have been picked on a lot as a kid. Must have always felt a raging sense of inadequacy, of ugliness, of impotence. He entered politics to exact his revenge. And we're all paying for his vengeance.

I think all these nutcases were dropped on their heads when they were babies and it scrambled what little brains they had.

Karl Rove is the person singley most responsible for the polarisation of the American public,divide an conquer.He also knows that the vast number of Bush and Republican supporters are too misinformed to see through his BIG LIES.

Charlie Rose's show is often quite good because of the guests he manages to attract. I'm always impressed by the quality and bredth of his guests, but he attracts this line up because he never asks tough confrontational questions...ever. And most of the questions he does ask are pretty lame. When he has bold-faced liars like Rove on it really accentuates the weakness of his format. I mean, let's face it, Rove and his like would never appear anywhere that would ask the real questions and not just roll over and play dead when he drops a clanger. Charlie's show is "safe" and they can comfortably spin all they like there without fear of being called to task.

RE: snake bites

A lesson Al Wilson taught us decades ago in his song "The Snake":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ZBqpEUbik

This man chills me to the core.

He really ought to wear sunglasses because his eyes are the windows to his soul, and all I see--contrary to the joking--is pure evil.

A colder gaze does not exist.

Just think, America: This is the caliber of people that seized control of our government.

Derelict @ 4:

why in the hell doesn’t Charlie Rose at least scoff a little bit at Rove’s statement?

I guess you don't watch Charlie all that often His whole metier is having on guests would are controversial and may have vitally important things to contribute to the public debate. And Charlie does his absolute best to make sure his guests DO NOT get a chance to make that contribution. Charlie is poorly informed about both his guests and the issues with which they are associated. His interviewing technique consists of leading a guest right up to the threshold of making an important statement, and then derailing the conversation with an non-related question.

So him allowing Rove (or anyone else) to sit there and spout lies on camera is par for the course. Do yourself a favor and stop watching him.

Yes. Charlie Rose is a long-bone elitist. I would rather watch maggots on a corpse.

I watched 35 minutes of this interview on Wednesday night but I gave up and watched Letterman instead. Rove was rewriting history and lying through his teeth. How anyone could watch the entire interview is beyond me--I just don't have patience for liars--does Rove think we were all looking the other way during the last 7 years?

What really gauls me is the Newsweek gave him a column--I'm not renewing that magazine!

Hello Nicole and thanks for shedding some light on this. However, your comment "I don't blame Rove for floating a lie" is just a little outrageous to say the least. You see, Nicole, this is the problem...people like you condone lying and misleading the public...!! I bet you support Hillary "I have the experience,-more of the same" Clinton too!..I'm surprised at you!

Historical revisionism is the only way that the neocons will save their boy-king's legacy.

Are we bound by history to impeach this President and vice President? Do we owe it to the generations to come to focus on nothing else till this criminal administration is brought to justice?

Is Impeachment Our Obligation?

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/is-impeachment-our-obligation/

willyloman @ 48:

Are we bound by history to impeach this President and vice President? Do we owe it to the generations to come to focus on nothing else till this criminal administration is brought to justice?

Is Impeachment Our Obligation?

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/is-impeachment-our-obligation/

The Constitution says 'shall be impeached' upon treason and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Pelosi and Reid seem to think they have an option, but, as an accountant friend pointed out, when the tax code says SHALL, it means MUST.

Why has nobody picked up on the real reason Democrats are pulling their punches and treading lightly.Pelosi and Reid are very aware that all it will take is one big terrorist attack for the American public to run for cover behind the war hungry neo-cons.They have to stay relatively centered to avoid being swallowed up if it does happen.

Back in 2000, a good friend of mine told me that his lifelong Republican father had voted for Al Gore and cited two reasons for having done so: 1) Concerned about the environment (he had protested the creation of the MR-GO by his childhood neighborhood in the lower ninth ward), he greatly respected Gore's dedication to the cause 2) As he put it to me years later when we discussed the matter, "Yeah, I always voted Republican, but it was fairly obvious to me that Bush was a moron." Now imagine hearing that in a Cajun accent - yes, it was truly priceless.

With that bit of history as inspiration, I decided that my own lifelong Republican father might be ready to jump ship, too. (Sadly, my mother is a lost cause. Despite proudly being uninformed about almost anything - "I can't read the paper or watch the news because it's all too depressing" - she suddenly has very serious, heartfelt political convictions whenever my father and I discuss the latest Bush & Co. line of bullshit. I end "debates" with her very quickly with the same line every time: "With all due respect, mom, since you did go through the trouble of spawning me and all that, I cannot discuss these matters with somebody as horribly ill-informed as yourself because it is technically impossible to discuss the facts of a disagreement if your opponent doesn't know any of the facts to begin with. If you wish to enlighten yourself for a few weeks and talk about it then, I'm open, but for now this debate is between my father and me" - a line that always goes over well, by the way. Yeah, if I were still religious I would pray for her; instead I can only pity her first and the rest of us more because the crazy lady still gets as many votes as the rest of us.) The fact that my father has told me that he's "embarrassed" for having been a Bush supporter gives me a sliver of hope, however imaginary, that I can persuade him to vote Democrat or Independent in the 2008 election. And this is where Charlie Rose comes in. You see, my father means well, but he has what I suspect is a common (and fatal) flaw among the more reasonable lot of GOP voters: he thinks that by watching anything on PBS, he is getting news from "the other side" - implying that PBS is liberally slanted, of course, and that perhaps Fox News is slanted to the right - and that by watching PBS he's now been informed of both sides of the issue. And in this instance, people like him - that is, people who earnestly believe they want both points of view, but when given two truly different points of view will always believe (however subconsciously) what the Republican operative says - will watch the Charlie Rose show and think exactly what Karl Rove wants him to think, which is that the only people politicizing the process of policy is Congress, which just happens to be controlled by the Democrats. Now, anybody who's bothered to do a minimal amount of research on the topic (such as ourselves) immediately pushes the bullshit button when Rove says anything because we all know he is full of poo-poo. People such as my father, however, will see Rove's poo-poo go uncorrected or unchallenged and therefore believe -- because it's on PBS -- that it must be true! All Charlie Rose has to do in this situation to give even a shred of credibility to my father's erroneous notion is to challenge Rove on the facts, the most important one being that the resolution did not authorize immediate military action against Iraq, but that it authorized the President to start military action only if all diplomatic means had failed. Not only would a challenge to Rove's nonsense with those cold, hard facts made the timing of the resolution's passage much less relevant in the context in which Rove was framing it, it would have allowed Rose to add something to the effect of, "Do you EVER give an honest answer, or is your every waking breath part of a plan to make everybody but Republicans look stupid, because to give me an answer like the one you just gave me is to insult me and everyone with even the slightest knowledge of the facts about the Iraq War." And then he could have given him a brief time-line of all the absurd statements about the war uttered by Bush & CO. and asked, "Now, when I asked you about mistakes, I meant specifically, do you believe any of those foolish notions and decisions made by the Bush team were mistakes, Karl?" and so on and so forth. But Charlie Rose does not challenge him, and Darth Rove is allowed to effectively negate a significant chunk of whatever progress I had worked so hard to make before that stupid little interview.

Thanks, Charlie. Why don't you interview somebody closer to your level of knowledge, like Dakota Fanning or Lil' Romeo?

He stated that his upcoming book…

So I guess this book will be in the fiction aisle.

As I have said on many previous threads, I am all in favor of not only impeachment, but treason trials and hanging for the whole treasonous cabal.

The reality of the situation is that there are nowhere near 67 votes in the Senate to convict. This means that any of the impeached individuals will be acquitted and will be able to claim complete vindication! Precedents will have been set as the Supreme Court that illegally installed these monsters upholds executive privilege over the withholding of evidence and we will wind up worse off than before.

Is that what we really want?

Charlie Rose, indeed. It's certainly not unexpected that he'd let Rove get away with all those revisionist statements. Charlie had Dr. Kissinger on and the same thing happened. Reminds me of many of our current Democrats and how they let the Republicans run the show all the time.

Just stop watching the pathetic show.

And to think tens if not hundreds of millions of americans (yes 200) believe what he says .........

The Mur @ 50:

Why has nobody picked up on the real reason Democrats are pulling their punches and treading lightly.Pelosi and Reid are very aware that all it will take is one big terrorist attack for the American public to run for cover behind the war hungry neo-cons.They have to stay relatively centered to avoid being swallowed up if it does happen.

That's the same spineless routine that has let the GOP run roughshod over the Democrats at every turn: the fear of being wrong.

So instead of standing up for their beliefs, instead of choosing reason over fear, the Demos keep conceding the point that the Republicans might be right, and each iteration only gives the Republican talking point more credence.

And we're not asking the Demos to come out and say 'terrorism isn't a threat' or 'there won't ever be another attack on American soil' - because that's just ridiculous. It's the imminent, Shari'a-in-your-neighborhood crapfest they need to stand tough on and denounce at every turn, but they won't do it.

Rove is a talking, walking stool. He's Bush's personal Mr. Hanky.

This pasty-assed loser is Rasputin and Goebbels wrapped in one oily package.

Charlie Rose is a power-fluffing hack too.

-GSD

Charlie Rose is a pickled dimwit. His one thought is keeping his eyes open until the end of taping. Let's put it this way - I don't think you're going to see Rove being interviewed by Keith Olberman anytime soon.

Cancel your Newsweak subscriptions and give the payments to the needy.

-GSD

Shadowgm @ 56:

The Mur @ 50:

Why has nobody picked up on the real reason Democrats are pulling their punches and treading lightly.Pelosi and Reid are very aware that all it will take is one big terrorist attack for the American public to run for cover behind the war hungry neo-cons.They have to stay relatively centered to avoid being swallowed up if it does happen.

That's the same spineless routine that has let the GOP run roughshod over the Democrats at every turn: the fear of being wrong.

So instead of standing up for their beliefs, instead of choosing reason over fear, the Demos keep conceding the point that the Republicans might be right, and each iteration only gives the Republican talking point more credence.

And we're not asking the Demos to come out and say 'terrorism isn't a threat' or 'there won't ever be another attack on American soil' - because that's just ridiculous. It's the imminent, Shari'a-in-your-neighborhood crapfest they need to stand tough on and denounce at every turn, but they won't do it.

All bets are off if another attack of major magnitude takes place,it's really that simple.The Republicans of this era disgust me,but we all know who people will run to for protection.The Boogyman card is old and tired,but still effective.

Et tu Rosie?

What do you expect from a lying toad ?.

The Mur @ 60:

Shadowgm @ 56:

The Mur @ 50:

Why has nobody picked up on the real reason Democrats are pulling their punches and treading lightly.Pelosi and Reid are very aware that all it will take is one big terrorist attack for the American public to run for cover behind the war hungry neo-cons.They have to stay relatively centered to avoid being swallowed up if it does happen.

That's the same spineless routine that has let the GOP run roughshod over the Democrats at every turn: the fear of being wrong.

So instead of standing up for their beliefs, instead of choosing reason over fear, the Demos keep conceding the point that the Republicans might be right, and each iteration only gives the Republican talking point more credence.

And we're not asking the Demos to come out and say 'terrorism isn't a threat' or 'there won't ever be another attack on American soil' - because that's just ridiculous. It's the imminent, Shari'a-in-your-neighborhood crapfest they need to stand tough on and denounce at every turn, but they won't do it.

All bets are off if another attack of major magnitude takes place,it's really that simple.The Republicans of this era disgust me,but we all know who people will run to for protection.The Boogyman card is old and tired,but still effective.

Or, as another example, it's the 'trash Apple' meme:

- If you predict Apple will be a great success and it isn't, you're a clueless twat.

- If you predict Apple will be a crashing failure and it is, you're a canny insider with his fingers on the pulse of the industry.

- If you predict Apple will be a crashing failure and it isn't, you're pleasantly surprised.

=====

Repackaged a la GWOT:

- If you predict America will be safe, and it isn't, you're a sissy liberal appeaser.

- If you predict America will be attacked, and it is, you're a patriot and a hero.

- If you predict American will be attacked, and it isn't, your policies have kept us safe.

Shadowgm @ 63:

The Mur @ 60:

Shadowgm @ 56:

The Mur @ 50:

That's the same spineless routine that has let the GOP run roughshod over the Democrats at every turn: the fear of being wrong.

So instead of standing up for their beliefs, instead of choosing reason over fear, the Demos keep conceding the point that the Republicans might be right, and each iteration only gives the Republican talking point more credence.

And we're not asking the Demos to come out and say 'terrorism isn't a threat' or 'there won't ever be another attack on American soil' - because that's just ridiculous. It's the imminent, Shari'a-in-your-neighborhood crapfest they need to stand tough on and denounce at every turn, but they won't do it.

All bets are off if another attack of major magnitude takes place,it's really that simple.The Republicans of this era disgust me,but we all know who people will run to for protection.The Boogyman card is old and tired,but still effective.

Or, as another example, it's the 'trash Apple' meme:

- If you predict Apple will be a great success and it isn't, you're a clueless twat.

- If you predict Apple will be a crashing failure and it is, you're a canny insider with his fingers on the pulse of the industry.

- If you predict Apple will be a crashing failure and it isn't, you're pleasantly surprised.

=====

Repackaged a la GWOT:

- If you predict America will be safe, and it isn't, you're a sissy liberal appeaser.

- If you predict America will be attacked, and it is, you're a patriot and a hero.

- If you predict American will be attacked, and it isn't, your policies have kept us safe.

You pretty much nailed it.Politically speaking,the best the Democrats can hope for is an event free path to the Presidency.Once in power,if (God forbid) a terrorist attack does occur,they will then be able to deal with it on their own terms.

Ask yourself this: which television journalists or interviewers would ask Karl Rove the "tough questions"? Who out there wouldn't give his answers an inch of breathing room?

Now, what are the chances Karl Rove would ever sit down to be interview by these people? never in a million years! So, once you do land an interview like this, its really a ginger balancing act between what skeptics and critics want to hear you ask, and how liberally you'll let your subject paint his answers.

Charlie Rose does tend to chum around with WHOMEVER is his guest, but his goal isn't to trip them up or stick them in a corner. Its essentially to get them on the record and have other people like analyze what was said, not said, and lied about. i think its important to at least get cretins like this on the record in their own words. Their answers can be easily scrutinized later.

The Mur @ 64:

Shadowgm @ 63:

The Mur @ 60:

Shadowgm @ 56:

All bets are off if another attack of major magnitude takes place,it's really that simple.The Republicans of this era disgust me,but we all know who people will run to for protection.The Boogyman card is old and tired,but still effective.

Or, as another example, it's the 'trash Apple' meme:

- If you predict Apple will be a great success and it isn't, you're a clueless twat.

- If you predict Apple will be a crashing failure and it is, you're a canny insider with his fingers on the pulse of the industry.

- If you predict Apple will be a crashing failure and it isn't, you're pleasantly surprised.

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Repackaged a la GWOT:

- If you predict America will be safe, and it isn't, you're a sissy liberal appeaser.

- If you predict America will be attacked, and it is, you're a patriot and a hero.

- If you predict American will be attacked, and it isn't, your policies have kept us safe.

You pretty much nailed it.Politically speaking,the best the Democrats can hope for is an event free path to the Presidency.Once in power,if (God forbid) a terrorist attack does occur,they will then be able to deal with it on their own terms.

Ever heard of blag flag ? .......

Charlie Rose, like most of these over-paid, under-performing, unquestioning media, doesn't pose the REAL question.

What mistakes IN YOUR IDEALOGY have you realised?

Every single conservative hedges and tiptoes around their failures by saying things like "we moved too late on Social Security", or "invading Iraq was right, mistakes were made after".

They refuse to admit the failure of the entire idealogy. They cast blame on particular events or throw certain individuals under the bus and blame personal incompetance.

What they continue to refuse, and what MSM sources like Charlie Rose continue to allow them a pass on, is the FAILURE OF THEIR IDEALOGY.

Sorry, I can't watch.. Suffice it to say I would lose a lunch if I had to watch that fucker ever again. He is a master of bullshit, is that something to be proud of? No!

The Turd Blossom is everblooming, it just keeps getting bigger and smellier.

Oh, give me a break!! This lying sack of shit is going to continue spinning and twisting reality until the day he dies.

He is totally incapable of telling the truth or admitting a fact that goes against his distorted perspective of the corruption within his "nursed administration".

He is a pathological liar, and is incapable of recognizing truth. He needs to be locked up and kept off the airwaves. There will be books written about this deceitful, lying son of a bitch...along with his mouse friend, bushie the chimp.

Karl Rove should be tested for drugs...whatever the hell they have in that "Koolaid" they drink is some serious stuff. Why do we force drug testing on nearly everyone in society, and yet these perverts that influence government policies, both domestic and foreign, run amok in Washington. Maybe someday these contrived appearances on our corrupt media outlets can be used in evidence at their trials.

Karla Rove is the most pathetic and biggest liar on or off this planet. He wouldn't know truth if it bit him on the ass.

why in the hell doesn’t Charlie Rose at least scoff a little bit at Rove’s statement?

Nicole, I have never personally addressed you and your "analysis" of the situation. I don't think CAL ever puts any real thought past the punch line. But seriously, what the fuck do you expect? This is Charlie Rose. A person who could be called an intellectual ghost. He never has any follow up, he exists for no known reason.

KKKarl is just doing the job that he is STILL being paid for. He isn't just part of the machine, he IS the fucking machine. So expecting a consonant or vowel of truth to fall from his maul would be like expecting darth not to eat Iraqi babies for lunch.

They really suck, but you are getting lazy in your analysis. Please don't become a white house press corps whore.

The Mur @ 60:

Shadowgm @ 56:

The Mur @ 50:

Why has nobody picked up on the real reason Democrats are pulling their punches and treading lightly.Pelosi and Reid are very aware that all it will take is one big terrorist attack for the American public to run for cover behind the war hungry neo-cons.They have to stay relatively centered to avoid being swallowed up if it does happen.

That's the same spineless routine that has let the GOP run roughshod over the Democrats at every turn: the fear of being wrong.

So instead of standing up for their beliefs, instead of choosing reason over fear, the Demos keep conceding the point that the Republicans might be right, and each iteration only gives the Republican talking point more credence.

The interesting thing about this line of thought, and I do believe it's the way the vast majority of Americans think, is that individually practically every Republican is a weak scared little individual. While they bluster and spout tough talk they are chickenhawks unwilling to put their own lives up for what they believe in. They're tough alright, with the lives of others that is. The Republicans only cards in the deck are fear and war, they talk up the fear and send our country to war to prove how tough they are and how weak Democrats are. All the while they hide in the shadows afraid of everyone and everything. How very sad they are as human beings and how sad that the citizens allows them to lead.

And we're not asking the Demos to come out and say 'terrorism isn't a threat' or 'there won't ever be another attack on American soil' - because that's just ridiculous. It's the imminent, Shari'a-in-your-neighborhood crapfest they need to stand tough on and denounce at every turn, but they won't do it.

All bets are off if another attack of major magnitude takes place,it's really that simple.The Republicans of this era disgust me,but we all know who people will run to for protection.The Boogyman card is old and tired,but still effective.

That's strange, somehow my text got thrown up in what I was quoting. Either I wasn't paying attention or something odd happened. Oh well, such is life...

Pursang @ 74:

All bets are off if another attack of major magnitude takes place,it's really that simple.The Republicans of this era disgust me,but we all know who people will run to for protection.The Boogyman card is old and tired,but still effective.

You people really sicken me. More people drown in their bath tub every year than die of terrorism. To fall into the false supposition that terrorism is a real threat is lending aid and comfort to the enemy.

Stop being such a spineless puss and live for a change. Walk the planet, try to be free, attempt to think a unique thought.

Real Americans died by the tens of thousands when stealing this country from it's rightful owners. You can expect that ruling the world might incur at least a fraction of that amount.

If you don't like the collateral damage then get out of the game.

Rove displays CLASSIC outward signs in this video of someone who's convinced HIMSELF that he didn't do what he did, because he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he allowed his psyche to admit to his own culpability in what he has done to our country and to our world.

I hope his book is a flop.

Linda @ 77:

Rove displays CLASSIC outward signs in this video of someone who's convinced HIMSELF that he didn't do what he did, because he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he allowed his psyche to admit to his own culpability in what he has done to our country and to our world.

You are anthropomorphizing this pig. You are attempting to lend human characteristics to a non human thing. Whatever body language, or inflections you are interpreting, are simply random effects. This turd blossom has no subconscious morality or patriotism.

If you see this beast on your streets, please crush it like a bug.

There goes the RUDE ROVE FINGER pointing at Charlie as if ROVE is the most TRUTHFUL person alive.

KARL ROVE need to sit on his pointers and shut up. He has done more than his share of distroying this NATION.

Time to impeach, indict and imprison; the S.O.B.

Rove is a traitor and should be in prison. Instead he is out filling our air waves full of his lies and deceit. Where else in the world can a traitor who outed a CIA undercover agent still have complete access via the media. Christ all mighty throw this smelly slimy traitor in jail. Quit listening to the squirmy traitor

JustSickOfIt @ 76:

Pursang @ 74:

All bets are off if another attack of major magnitude takes place,it's really that simple.The Republicans of this era disgust me,but we all know who people will run to for protection.The Boogyman card is old and tired,but still effective.

You people really sicken me. More people drown in their bath tub every year than die of terrorism. To fall into the false supposition that terrorism is a real threat is lending aid and comfort to the enemy.

Stop being such a spineless puss and live for a change. Walk the planet, try to be free, attempt to think a unique thought.

Real Americans died by the tens of thousands when stealing this country from it's rightful owners. You can expect that ruling the world might incur at least a fraction of that amount.

If you don't like the collateral damage then get out of the game.

Only in Israel do the people and govt encourage the philosophy you put forth.The Republicans in the USA govern with fear,and it's done pretty well for them.

Rove seems to forget that it was the Republicans that the majority in 2002. It was the TOM DELAY (that crook) and Senator Bill Frist and Speaker Dennis Hastert that was running the show. REPUBLICANS who voted for the WAR along with other Congressional imposters posing as Democrats. It was Dick Cheney who controlled the CIA and who made unprecedented visits to the Pentagon.

How about the Downing Street Memo that revealed the intentions of the Executive Branch led by the Bush Presidency under chief of staff Karl Rove.

Don't you (ROVE) dare think that WE THE PEOPLE have forgotten all this.

YOUR "brilliant advice" has destroyed the