Giuliani Asked About Creative Bookkeeping To Hide Travel Expenses
By Bill W. Wednesday Nov 28, 2007 5:26pm
Steve posted about this latest Rudy scandal that broke just yesterday afternoon, and to Anderson Cooper's credit, he at least made sure Rudy was called on it during last night's CNN YouTube debate.
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Rudy says "it wasn't true" (really? what part?) and that he had "nothing to do with the handling" of the records. As Josh Marshall says "Rudy isn't denying anything. He's just saying he's not responsible." Cooper didn't follow up (ok, it was short notice) to try and get him to explain why then were his travel costs, which included at least 11 trips to the Hamptons "during the time when he was beginning an extramarital relationship with future wife Judith Nathan in the Hamptons," later split up and billed to obscure agencies that had nothing to do with the mayor's security detail. What's more, former NYC mayor Ed Koch believes Rudy "acted improperly and appeared to be covering something up" and that providing then-mistress Judy with "her own personal protection (when she was not a member of the first family) constituted an even more flagrant misuse of taxpayer money." Oh, snap! The Blotter has more.
Even if we were to be so gullible as to just take Rudy at his word (and we won't, but will the msm?) that he had nothing to do with the cooking of the books to hide his travel expenses, does this Enron-for-philanderers accounting system really sound like the answer to our current federal budget woes?
UPDATE: (Nicole) Oh, this is getting better and better... Cliff Schecter has video of city officials telling ABC News that Giuliani homewrecker Judy Nathan used the NYPD "as a taxi service."
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"lalala I can't hear you"-Rudy fanboys Chris Matthews and Chuck Todd everytime another Guiliani scandal breaks
He's a criminal. Pure and simple.
Do you expect anything less?
God I'd hate to see all the dirt on all of these nazi freaks.
who do these people think they are?! and that they're above the law?? honestly I find it difficult to understand how they could be so whacked out and such fucktards!
The look in his face is priceless! what an ugly ba$tard!!
A caller to Ed Schultz today, from Buffalo, said that the way Rudy "cleaned up" NYC was by busing the homeless upstate. She said there were lawsuits from mayors and counties, and that people should be requesting FOIAs.
This may be the bigger scandal.
Fixed
I really like that screenshot of Rudy trying to answer that question. Perfect.
What will happen is the Pubs will say is Bush Haters are making this stuff up about Rudy. And he stood up to the questions like a MAN
Thats the only comfort they have in life
DE~NILE
justabill @ 5:
Stop action reveals a lot doesn't it?
To the true believers, Rudy's the man because he knows how to handle Them.
And I think we all know what I mean by Them.
Gee thanks Koch. Where were you when we needed you in 2004? Oh, yeah. Defending the Bush doctrine. You abandoned the party and its principles and should be tethered to the sinking Giuliani ship.
Shame he can't blame this on a post-9/11-world.
I think the only way out of this disaster in 08 is for overwhelming force to mobilize and vote Dem (anything but republicon) and then hope for the best.
Poontang. Coverup. 9/11.
hadenuf says
If too much comes out now, he won't get the nomination and we'll miss all the fun of watching the GOP candidate for prez be picked apart day by day with one outrage after another-- that are currently squirreled unsafely away in Rudi's closet.
I wish this mattered to the people who will vote for him regardless.
Rupert Murdoch will create some sort of world crisis to divert attention away from this and it will blow away with the wind.
Sorry to say the forces that want Rudy in are greater than the ones that want accountability.
Rudys wife once worked for U.S. Surgical Corporation specialized in showing doctors in operating rooms a new surgical stapling method using live, large dogs.
abarts @ 14:
In other words, it won't matter to the people who will vote for him irregardless.
Seeing as how as mayor, he's allowed to have security wherever he goes, it's not crime or even a big deal that he had security with him when he went away for the weekends. The issue here is that he for some reason hid the payments for his security on the books of obscure city agencies. I've not heard anyone else posit this, I hope I'm the first, but I bet all he was trying to do was hide the fact that he was spending his weekends with his mistress so that during a divorce proceedings his adultery wouldn't come back to haunt him since his wife most definitely would have subpoenaed the billing records during discovery. So I don't think he did anything illegal, (you can quibble about moving the payments but again its not like the payments themselves were illegal) but it was incredibly unethical, immoral and cowardly. Certainly not the kind of sneaky underhanded behavior we want in the whitehouse.
L.A. Confidential @ 16:
Ugh, I had forgotten.
Is there some encyclopedia set of "republican scandals, outrages, and revulsions"?
I wonder if Mrs G realizes her ear rings are a little overweight. Or if the thought never occurred to her.
http://tinyurl.com/2oqksy
But you have to understand that 9/11 terror 9/11 Rudy can't really be 9/11 terror 9/11 expected to 9/11 terror 9/11know every little 9/11 terror 9/11 detail about his 9/11 terror 9/11 finances becaues 9/11 terror 9/11cleaning up New York City 9/11 terror 9/11 and ending communism 9/11 terror 9/11as we knew it 9/11 terror 9/11 is such a big9/11 terror 9/11job!!9/11 terror 9/119/11 terror 9/119/11 terror 9/119/11 terror 9/119/11 terror 9/119/11 terror 9/11
hadenuf @ 19:
I don't think there is enough trees to be able to put it all into print.
Sure, but have you heard the 'rumors' about Obama?
What does it say about Rudy when Ed Koch - the Jewish Zell Miller - throws him under the bus.
resetthathang @ 21:
Most likely Rudy was doing her when he got the call that the Towers were just hit by jets.
That would explain his disheveled appearance when he arrived at Ground Zero.
Nobody can derail the Giuliani freight train to the White House. The extermination of Islamic terrorists is the single issue that trumps all others. Giuliani is 100% committed to the ruthless extermination of Islamic terrorists without hesitation or remorse. He will defeat Hillary in a general election for that one reason and one reason only. American voters will instinctively choose Giuliani over Hillary because we viscerally entrust our national security to the uniquely masculine mandate to destroy our enemies, see them scattered before us, and hear the lamentations of their women.
It was on the front page of the NY POST!
Funny, they will lick his feet on anything else, but if it has to do with sex...BAM! They send him up the river.
'Nobody can derail the Hitler freight train to the Reichstag. The extermination of Jews and gypsies is the single issue that trumps all others. Hitler is 100% committed to the ruthless extermination of Jews, homosexuals and Poles without hesitation or remorse. He will defeat his enemies in a general election for that one reason and one reason only. German voters will instinctively choose Hitler because they viscerally entrust our national security to the uniquely masculine mandate to destroy our enemies, see them scattered before us, and hear the lamentations of their women.'
Do you really think this will matter? We need to start referring to Him as Teflon Rudy. He could have hacked up his mother and her puppy into a hundred pieces and it wouldn't matter. The "Value Voters" are a bunch of phonies. They know Rudy is their best chance of winning the White House. They've ignored his record to this point...gun control, abortion, his real record on taxes etc... Do you really think a little "mismanaged" tax dollars are going to hurt FOX's, I mean Rudy's chances.
resetthathang @ 21:
Thanks for stealing my line..err...lines.
???WTF???
rudy & judy???
JasonS @ 12:
cover up that poontang !
intelgetz dezines @ 15:
rudy knows to much about 911, er 911 er 911
It really doesn't matter if he knew directly or not. he knew he wasn't paying personally for these extra services.
It's true. The Pugs will vote for who will protect us from the hordes and legions of terrorists and middle eastern Muslims preparing to invade our country on ocean hopping hang gliders.
Who cares about rights. Just keep us safe!
until rudy has been convicted for a crime, this story isn't relevant.
L.A. Confidential @ 35:
Never mind that Bush is selling off our country to pops rich arab buddies.
hadenuf @ 19:
Here's a few that come close.
Rudy is the chosen one. This will pass.
Infowars diggs C&L? Amazing.
http://infowars.com/articles/us/vote_08_gop_debate_more_boos_as_mccain_r...
Just watched Rudi defend himself on CBS with Katie. Exhibit 1 of his defense was that it was nothing new in a Mayors office, in fact it had been going on since........well since his first term as Mayor.
StirFry @ 39:
I'm sure he'll make a great Mussolini
It doesn't matter. He's going to win the GOP nomination. The theft of his playbook from a hotel room should have sunk him. Now scandal after scandal won't stop him.
nightjar @ 40:
Hey he's honest! I can just see the Pubs sitting there thinking "see he's not like that Clinton who lied on TV about an affair". Now thats a real man.
justabill @ 38:
There's a Ph.D program right there.
Don't get me wrong. Hillary is a fierce debator. She will tear Rudy apart. It will be a great time for popcorn munching.
....Then Rudy will win the general election anyway.
Dhalgren @ 45:
Judging from the results of the past two elections you may be right.
Rudi Giuliani's financial indiscretions were all in the interest of getting laid. No red blooded American male will ever reject a Presidential candidate because he made mistakes as a byproduct of his relentless pursuit of pussy.
It doesn't really matter what Rudy, Mitt, Hilary, Barack or any of the others say or do because there wont be an election. Do you really think that George and Dick are just going to walk away from all that power? Why should they? They've already eviscerated most of the constitution. Why not just do away with it altogether? Just watch, if they haven't invaded Iran by then, there will be a "terrorist incident" and the election will have to be "postponed". Who knows they might even have declared martial law by then. The Bush gang is pure unadulterated scum. They only care about themselves. Making money and power are what they lust for. They should all be taken out behind the White House and summarily executed as the war criminals that they are. Unfortunately for the world, the Democrats are no better than the Republicans. If they were honest and cared about the constitution they'd have started impeachment proceedings months ago. The Dems are on the same gravy train as the Reps. Power, and what that power brings is ALL that they care about. The PEOPLE? Screw the people, give me power. John linked to this site yesterday. Everybody in the country should read this mans words. He's spelling it all out for us and we're just not listening. Go read for yourself.
http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/
LA Confidential
When that happens, we'll know for sure that GOP America has officially spun off to their home planet wingnut.
Dhalgren @ 46:
...Not to mention, the popcorn would be the most substantive part of the debate. I mean, during the NY senate campaign, some a/v guy played Billy Joel's "Captain Jack (will get you high tonight)" during a sound check at a Clinton rally, and the next day Ghouliani was blathering that "Hillary Clinton is promoting illegal drug use!!" They're all idiots, with more money than brains. They stink!
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 34:
That is the crux of the issue. Well said.
mrogi @ 48:
He's lying.
The "wide-eyed frown" at the very end of that clip is his tell (one of them anyway). Seriously, look for it.
Somebody should make a clever attack ad on Giuliani and his mistress issue for You Tube.
Straight Shooter @ 52:
Actually they're not 'extra' services. As mayor he gets a security detail. Spending the weekend wherever, they go with them, city taxpayers foot the bill. The only thing under the table about this is that the payments were moved so instead of showing up on his books under security, they were in the books of obscure city agencies. Basically he didnt want someone to know where he was going for the weekend. I'm guessing his wife. The fact that security went with him and taxpayers paid for it is completely immaterial.
Looks like a Homer Simpson 'doh' moment in that shot...JD
Filthy Harry @ 56:
Actually they are extra. Whats being discussed is police security, travel etc for his MISTRESS. You can get that for yourself, your wife, and kids. But not for the dame you're banging on the side.
moondancer @ 58:
Actually the police travel for his mistress is a NEW development and a separate charge. The issue regarding the security for his trips to the hamptons involve security for him, the wrinkle being that the totally legal payments for his totally legal security were spread out over obscure city agencies in an accounting irregularity that I HOPE is very illegal, since I hate the man like I hate masturbating with a cheese grater. More even.
There was a great article in the Village Voice by Wayne Barrett called:Rudy's Ties to a Terror Sheihk.
There are certainly a lot of questions about who he really is as opposed to who he is trying to sell himself as..
That was one of the best comedy shows I've seen in months. And today, redstate.com emails me (as I'm on their mailing list to keep up with the right wing loon fringe), and they are OUTRAGED that CNN would "plant" gay generals to address and humiliate the stuffed shirts on stage. At the end of their bloviating letter, they print this little threat to their mailing list:
"..P.S. If you do nothing, you will not get RedState Action Alert emails, but we'll keep you on our email list for important announcements."
In other words, if you don't send this bullshit on to others, they'll cut you out of the loop of lies and distortions. What a bunch of morons.
These repugs are laughable, but it dawned on me pretty hard last night while watching....there is a HUGE contingent of American scum who have only ONE THING in mind for their loyalty...."who will promise to keep a no new tax pledge?" That's it. That's what matters in life. Who will let me keep my stack of pennies and my arsenal of guns in the closet.
Now I realize we are in serious danger of losing an election in '08 to the repugs, simply because they lie, cheat, steal...and they already have a HUGE base that doesn't give a rat's ass about what is right or wrong...ONLY who is best for their pocketbook. A HUGE number of sick Americans....oh, "Christians conservatives"
And Giuliani would be rewarding all his loyalists as they line up with their hands out. Sort of like we have with Cheney. A little war here, a border fence there...
mrogi @ 26:
what can anyone say to this sort of nonsense?
Filthy Harry @ 56:
Well, then, by all means open the books attendant to his "security detail." Let's see the accounting, including the NYPD escorting his honeybunches for a rendevous with *cough* America's mayor.
Now you all know that it's JUDITH and not Judy. Or you can just call her Tiara which takes away the chance of making that mistake.
Bottom line, ugly woman for an ugly man. The ugly for both of them is both inside and out and that's typical of reTHUGS.
what can anyone say to this sort of nonsense?
Nada! It sorta sounds like a missive our great Jesus Gen might pen. "uniquely masculine mandate" Maybe Rudi plans to steal some of Osama's wives.
Giuliani isn't capable of anything 'Creative', even crooked bookkeeping.
Judith must have hired someone to do it. Someone in the 'family', like a great-grandson of Meyer Lansky.
The asshole isn't addressing any of the salient objections AT ALL. Who the fuck cares how the bookkeeping worked, he charged his affair illegally to the taxpayers. Maybe we are as stupid as he assumes we are, after all we have the idiot king running us into the ground.
Putting aside the extra marital affair. How can one mayor have paid security for a wife and a mistress. That is double dipping. Why didn't he just pay out of his pocket to "protect" the mistress. Why also did he not just pay the hotel and meals of he police officer that escorted him to his out of town "booty" calls. This is a huge character flaw. Both in the extra marital affair and the arrogance to have NY tax payers pay for it. I guess everybody got screwed!
I really can not fathom how scared the repubs are to allow this man to represent them for the United States Presidency.
Rudy is just putting a tired, ugly face on the new GOP stance on abortion, guns, gays, and adultery. All those things really don't matter--never mind about all that--you see, Rudy can beat Hillary. The GOP are circling the drain and taking all the Bush/neocon losers and quitters with them. Did anyone notice the glaring lack of Bush mentions in the GOP "talking point" thing last night?
Will Giuliani deny that he had an affair? Will the Republican Party nominate an adulterer for President? History will not look kindly on our stupid asses.
mrogi @ 48:
mrogi @ 26:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
great entertainment value, if nothing else.
Moral Compass @ 70:
cnn actually focused on how they 'pugs embraced the boosh mantra, but never mentioned the name. it was hilarious! :lol:
L.A. Confidential @ 35:
How are the repugs protecting us? After all the disasters happened on their watch.
Rudy the sausage loves to get some sweet pussy in the hamptons. rudy will be an even better president than Bushco. Rudy the sausage doesn't need to stuff a sock in his flight suit. the bulge in Rudy the sausage's pants is the real deal-100% hot italian sausage. that is the reason gets more pussy than a rock star.Rudy is a total freak in the sack-ANYTHING GOES YEAH BABY!
natas @ 76:
how is the fact that a skid ball like rudy banging every sweet hot pussy in sight going to help defeat the terrorist
i don't really know but think of how great it would be if a porno tape of rudy the sausage surfaced when he was president
god bless america @ 77:
Maybe Rudy the Sausage can have sex with the terrorist.
Rudy Guilianni DOES NOT have GOOD REFERENCES.
NEW YORK is his only GOVERNING EXPERIENCE.
NEW YORK gave him a GRADE F.
Rudy can not run a nation based on his WIFE'S LOOKS alone.
Wow. That guy is like some kind of freaky cross between Ron Jeremy, Sylvester the cat, and John Gotti.
mostest @ 70:
Exactly. The cheap prick can't even have a mistress properly. Wonder if he uses a coupon for his prostitutes (c'mon you know he's doing it) and demands exact change?
Let's not forget he had a special "9/11 command center" designated and rented... and then used it as a flop house to get laid away from his wife.
Classy. One classy, classy man.
Giuliani doesn't deny the fancy bookkeeping, but he says that he had nothing to do with the handling of the records. That's about the weakest denial he could make. It's the kind of denial that could include the admission that at some point he knew it was going on. He had to know that NYC was involved in her security. I don't know why people think he is presidential material.
"he had nothing to do with the cooking of the books to hide his travel expenses, does this Enron-for-philanderers accounting system really sound like the answer to our current federal budget woes?'
He cooked the books on EVERYTHING. It's how he got his 'crime rate' numbers so low, by changing the rules of when police had to file paperwork when responding to calls, as opposed to actually reduce the number of calls themselves.
I'm shocked at how often I talk to clients who have no idea what was going on in NYC,... many never heard about Dialo or Louima, never heard about Ghouliani arresting firefighters & dragging them away from Ground Zero, or any of the other anti-American unconstitutional heavy handed fascism he'd employ.
Giuliani makes Conrad Black look ethical and makes Bernard Evers look like a good manager.
Chopvac @ 85:
Excuse me, I mean Ebbers. And sorry for the double post.
Filthy Harry @ 60:
The sheik he was hanging out with was part of the terrorist org that brought down the twin towers. This will sink him. Mr. Terrorist lover.