I can't stand either one of these idiots

I listen to the news. I read newspapers and I surf the net. I have never ever seen anywhere, heard anywhere, that Hillary Clinton's campaign says Obama is a drug dealer. Where in the hell does a Democrat get that news..please tell Ed Shultz is a blow hard. He doesn't like Hillary Clinton and his lies are gonna backfire.

More than anything these two are shameless self-promoters with a profit motive above all else.

yes ,yes hillery and barack are two pigs in a blanket, and they,ll both taste alike, these two will be looses for the party, the corporations shit them both out of thier asses and your forced to pick between these turds, even should one of them win the presidency you wont have the chance to miss george w bush, baracks a one speach wonder and hillerys a repig allways was allways gonna be, shes another war president and is going to show you how big her dick is compared to bush, want more war ? want to sit for another eight yrs bitching about how the democrats are no better then the repukes ? vote for either one of them! want real change vote kucinich!and dont give me that crap he cant win!!!!!!!!should the 08 election if thier is one not be fixed ,good luck on that kucinich wont let the corporations rape you any longer!!!!!!!!!!!

Marge @ 4:

I listen to the news. I read newspapers and I surf the net. I have never ever seen anywhere, heard anywhere, that Hillary Clinton's campaign says Obama is a drug dealer. Where in the hell does a Democrat get that news..please tell Ed Shultz is a blow hard. He doesn't like Hillary Clinton and his lies are gonna backfire.

Marge, a couple of weeks ago or so, one of the head honchos for Hillary's campaign was talking to a reporter and he told the reporter if Obama got the nod, people (I'm assuming he meant repubs) would start to question Obama's background about when he did drugs and did he buy or sell them at the time.

Hillary has said the campaign person has been asked to exit her campaign.

I really think the best thing we can do is avoid like the plague these sorts of talking heads. We can make up our own mind about events without the help of guys like these.

Seems to me the repubs need to cut to the chase and nominate Jesus. They are trying to prove they are Jesus' BFF. So why not just nominate the man, they already have a book telling them what they would do in most circumstances.

Two guys, so deperate to be heard, yet no one wants to hear anything they say...sad...well at least they have each other.

I wish that people would find better reasons to be turned off by candidates, such as their voting records:

http://tinyurl.com/23csd3

Marge @ 4:

I listen to the news. I read newspapers and I surf the net. I have never ever seen anywhere, heard anywhere, that Hillary Clinton's campaign says Obama is a drug dealer. Where in the hell does a Democrat get that news..please tell Ed Shultz is a blow hard. He doesn't like Hillary Clinton and his lies are gonna backfire.

wake up, marge. have some coffee and google 'barack', 'drugs' 'clinton'. the list for the last two weeks alone will be three or four pages worth.

werenotgonnatakeit @ 2:

I can't stand either one of these idiots

but one of these idiots, i.e. Mark Green, is a hillary shill who happens to own the only 'liberal' network on the air. even if shultz is a reagan democrat, he's more honest than green.

It is so obvious why The Young Turks got cut. The hell with Air America Radio. The Young Turks was their best show and with all respect to Randi and Rachel, I'm all set. Go Barak! Go John Edwards! I can't wait to place my anti-Hillary vote in the primary!!

I think it's hilarious that Clinton would send her twerps out to bring up cocaine. Her own brother-in-law, Roger Clinton, is a convicted coke dealer -a coke dealer her husband (who had to give up his law license) pardoned along with Scooter Libby's client Mark Rich.

tyree @ 13:

its sad to see how badly the mind is destroyed when its been saturated by religion,

Or by politics, as the case may be.

It's hard to stomach Green after all the crappy talent decisions he's made at AAR. Lionel instead of Sam Seder? In every interview I've heard of him he spouts the most self-satisfied, conventional inside the beltway power politics bs.

Ed "turncoat" Schultz just a piece of advice for you, being President gives you access to every "HOSTILE" American file. .... so you might want to re-think your misogynistic assault on the next President Hillary Clinton. ..... can you say IRS and job security.

Lauren @ 16:

I wish that people would find better reasons to be turned off by candidates, such as their voting records:

http://tinyurl.com/23csd3

I wish that people would check their sources more often. I made it through four paragraphs. In order to do so I had to ignore the completely biased remark in the first, the nonacademic "claims" in the second. I finally had to quit when the author started in about Operation Desert Fox and stating that there never was a WMD program in Iraq, the proof of which is that we didnt find any once we invaded. Reality? Desert Fox blew up all the programs and munitions. There were no WMD's in Iraq when we invaded because Clinton destroyed them. We just didnt have any intel, because we had nobody there. Since the invasion though, we've learned that Operation Desert Fox and the UN sanctions were all that was needed to keep Saddam perfectly contained.

Such a shame. BS from the Right gets us into a war. BS from the left obfuscates further.

In a way the Clinton camp is right. The Democrats have to understand that the Republicans dont fight fair. If Obama gets the nomination the petty sniping that Clinton is doing now will be nothing compared to what the Repubs will do to him. Every crime commericial the repubs will put out will have nothing but black faces, even the immigration spot will have a dark tinge to them. The south will be filled with whisper campaigns and all their pundits will talk about is how America is "ready" for an African American president. The Harold Ford spot will be reshot for Obama and will get airplay. And every time anyone from the Obama camp complains the news will replay those spots endlessly while they argue about it's appropriateness. Obama and the Dems better wake up and stop this Pollyana attitude about running a different kind of campaign. The right knows that there are only 2 kinds of electoral campaigns - those that win and those that don't, and if like Kerry and Gore before him, he is willing to be portrayed as a victim of bad people saying mean things about him - well then get ready for 8 more years of Republican wars and economic destruction.

At least Hillary has been through this enough that now it all seems like a broken record. The Republicans seem to think that they can revive the old attacks against here, but I think they are mistaken. All of the old attacks wont work anymore, people are too tired of the old charges and will grow tired of more of the same from the Repub attack machine. Hillary will get some sympathy but more importantly she will earn respect because she and Bill know that the way to beat those tactics is to come back with some of your own, just as hard and heavy. She will at least fight for the office with all of the dirty tricks they can come up with. They know how to frame the debate to make themselves look like they are willing to truly fight for this office will every weapon at their disposal. As Bush and Rove have shown us it doesnt matter if you win only 48%, 49% or 50.1% of the vote, you still win 100% of the office. Gore didnt lose Florida because the Supreme Court voted against him, he lost because he wasnt willing to fight for every single vote to go his way, and the other side was. Hillary, whatever you may feel about her positions, at least will be the one Democrat who is willing to fight to the death for this job, which is what is needed against the Republican machine and their media enablers.

PILOT @ 30:

Ed "turncoat" Schultz just a piece of advice for you, being President gives you access to every "HOSTILE" American file. .... so you might want to re-think your misogynistic assault on the next President Hillary Clinton. ..... can you say IRS and job security.

Now that really makes me want to elect her. Just what the country needs, a female Nixon, in pants suits.

Thanks for the heads up. No free speech rights once your Little Ms. Hitlery takes over. That is what you are promising, right?

Say no to Hillary.

She's the Bush daughter, just as Bill has become the Bush son.

pissed off patricia @ 27:

I'd like to vote for Obama's wife, Michelle. Each time I have heard her speak she sounds like a really level headed great person.

Did anyone catch Obama on Morning Joe this morning? He was talking about the making of his Christmas message ad with his wife and little girls. It was one of those, what's not to like, moments.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for, these are just my personal feelings.

I like Elizabeth Edwards too.

there are some really interesting, really *telling* games of power being played, here. neither Schultz nor Green are our friends, unfortunately (and I say this as a big Hartmann/Rhodes/Seder fan who thinks that AA's gone wrong, nonetheless). but they're being represented, here, as People We Should Listen To, when all they are, plainly, are pimps for their respective employers (Clinton/Obama).

desperation is setting in, big time, which is both a hopeful thing and a very scary one simultaneously. control of "the message" is slipping, and the corporatocracy is trying to reassert itself.

this may be the merriest and scariest xmas ever. hold on tight, folks.

Wow, its it just me or is that Air America president a real asshole. He continually interrupted and talked over the other guy, monopolizing time. Then he keeps interrupting, saying "I never interrupted you".

Antisocial jerk. Regardless of the content, that makes me predisposed to think he's covering up something. Between this guy and seeing the Mark Penn clip from yesterday, Clinton supporters come off as REALLY sleazy. Good thing I wasn't planning on voting for her anyway. Of course, the content that everything is fair game, and illogical or untrue mud slinging is A-OK is a pile of bullshit too.

I also noticed elsewhere that the Clinton campaign is doing push-polling and massive flyer campaign attacking Obama, Rove-style -- EXCEPT, they pretend to be the Edwards campaign! They ask, "do you like John Edwards, etc." right before the "ZOMG, did you know Osama, gee oopsie, I mean Obama the black muslim drug dealer had an illegitimate white baby?!" kind of crap.

You ask me, I say the Clintons and Libermans of the old Democratic party can go to hell.

Time for the Kuciniches, Dodds, and Edwards (and Feingolds, etc.) to take over.

I'd vote the Elizabeth Edwards/Michelle Obama ticket.

Watch the little, Christian men quake then!

Ben @ 34:

In a way the Clinton camp is right. The Democrats have to understand that the Republicans dont fight fair. If Obama gets the nomination the petty sniping that Clinton is doing now will be nothing compared to what the Repubs will do to him. Every crime commericial the repubs will put out will have nothing but black faces, even the immigration spot will have a dark tinge to them. The south will be filled with whisper campaigns and all their pundits will talk about is how America is "ready" for an African American president. The Harold Ford spot will be reshot for Obama and will get airplay. And every time anyone from the Obama camp complains the news will replay those spots endlessly while they argue about it's appropriateness. Obama and the Dems better wake up and stop this Pollyana attitude about running a different kind of campaign. The right knows that there are only 2 kinds of electoral campaigns - those that win and those that don't, and if like Kerry and Gore before him, he is willing to be portrayed as a victim of bad people saying mean things about him - well then get ready for 8 more years of Republican wars and economic destruction.

At least Hillary has been through this enough that now it all seems like a broken record. The Republicans seem to think that they can revive the old attacks against here, but I think they are mistaken. All of the old attacks wont work anymore, people are too tired of the old charges and will grow tired of more of the same from the Repub attack machine. Hillary will get some sympathy but more importantly she will earn respect because she and Bill know that the way to beat those tactics is to come back with some of your own, just as hard and heavy. She will at least fight for the office with all of the dirty tricks they can come up with. They know how to frame the debate to make themselves look like they are willing to truly fight for this office will every weapon at their disposal. As Bush and Rove have shown us it doesnt matter if you win only 48%, 49% or 50.1% of the vote, you still win 100% of the office. Gore didnt lose Florida because the Supreme Court voted against him, he lost because he wasnt willing to fight for every single vote to go his way, and the other side was. Hillary, whatever you may feel about her positions, at least will be the one Democrat who is willing to fight to the death for this job, which is what is needed against the Republican machine and their media enablers.

Wow, you are so right.

The ends ALWAYS justify the means. Anything to win, right? And the best thing for this country is to elect whoever can lie or cheat the best, you are so right. That proves you have integrity and skill in governance. I mean, what a great leader Karl Rove and his candidate turned out to be! Thanks for pointing that out.

The question, as I see in your response, isn't how you treat people, it's how many people you can knife in the back to get out of your way. I'm sure the grandmothers worried about heath care will agree with you when they vote. Not to mention the idea you seem to hold that whomever lies or insults the best must surely beat the Republicans. What an... interesting idea. I'm guessing you weren't on planet earth during the 2006 senatorial races where those that were negative "experts" paid a heavy price. Right, "macaca"?

You really don't seem to understand the ability to weather criticism and respond to it appropriately, or attacking people baselessly and shrilly. Of course, if the idea is to make it a two horse race (forgetting that Edwards is in a statistical tie with the other two, and that Edwards has drawn larger crowds that the other two at the last few head-to-head speeches, and just destroys the other two in "versus Republican" polls) and then lynch Obama, it is working in the media so far.

You must be so proud. Of course, it isn't 1992... it won't last. I hear there's this thing called "teh Intarwebs"... it may not hit in time for the primary, but it will sink her before the general election. Hillary seeming like a "broken record" isn't really the good thing you seem to thing it is.

Jelperman @ 24:

I think it's hilarious that Clinton would send her twerps out to bring up cocaine. Her own brother-in-law, Roger Clinton, is a convicted coke dealer -a coke dealer her husband (who had to give up his law license) pardoned along with Scooter Libby's client Mark Rich.

Hill’s brother in law is not running.
When Hill’s campaign does these little underhanded barb thowings people see right through it. People on the fence in New Hampshire, where it happened, are way too smart. And in Iowa they have nothing else to do but to check out what is real or not. That is why Edwards is going to win there in spite of what the MSM says.

I am no fan of Barack Obama as far as him becoming president. Although I do not support Obama, it has nothing to do with anything the Clinton campaign has said about him.

The Clinton campaign in fact has used lowball tactics against Barack Obama. I wonder if Obama will note that Hillary was a Goldwater Girl who helped remove black people from the voter rolls when she was working for Mr. Goldwater in 1964. Hillary's early political career is nothing to boast about if one is trying to win over liberal/progressive voters. Her early record in supporting Goldwater does not set too well with me. She should have known even at that age what supporting Goldwater's platform was about. Goldwater opposed the civil rights movement.

I am not a big fan of Ed Schultz or Mark Green, either. However, Schultz made better points overall and Green could not rationalize in any convincing manner the low ball tactics the Clinton campaign has used in attacking Obama's religion and using surrogates to attack him. Let Hillary come out and attack Obama herself if she believes what others are saying for her. If Hillary is such a great leader let her take the lead in these Obama attacks. At least, when, Obama attacks Hillary it is from his own mouth.

On the other hand, Obama and Hillary would both bomb Iran and invade other nations just like the Bushies have done. I see neither one of them being anything but corporate nanny protectors just like the Bushies either.

Vote at your own risk but do not expect American militarism and the continued attacks on civil liberties to change very much even when the Bushies leave office and one of these "great Democrats" come to power.

Frankly speaking, all the candidates suck. Its just that the Republican candidates are far worse wholesale speaking but that by no means equates to the Democratic candidates doing anything more than holding down the status quo. Good luck as you waste your time expecting change when there will be none. Remember all the great hopes after the November 2006 Congressional elections?

America is still in Iraq and the Congress led by the likes of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have been very fine tools enabling Bush and Cheney to stay on their continued failed course policies. Neither one (Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton) has shown any real political courage, in really standing up to the criminals running around in the Bush administration.

RayC @ 49:

Here in Sacramento Ed Shultz is on the only progressive radio station instead of Thom Hartman. I listened to him for a long time but I just couldn't take it anymore. He has a bigger ego than anyone on air including Randi Rhodes. According to Ed the most important issue in the U.S. is keeping Mexicans out. He regularly uses all the Republican talking points to promote that issue. He started whining about Hillary a few weeks ago almost as bad a Huffington Post. I watched the clip and found nothing that Logan Murphy was talking about. In a race between all the Democratic candidates I would pick Hillary last but there is no need to make up crap to justify my opinion.

That is a lie, and you are either working on the Hillary campaign, or you're just a 'con.

I listen to Ed every day, and he has no single "important issue", but many. He is pro-union, he wants single-payer health-care, and unlike almost all other talk-show hosts, he has an open-door policy for all candidates. Kucinich is a frequent guest, once for THREE HOURS.

He's not "whining" about Hillary: It is Hillary who is acting like the stereotypical snot-nosed brat and who is whining when people point to her dismal record.

So peddle your disinformation somewhere else.

The only good thing about Schultz is that middle America likes his “hick golly jee” style. If that gets more people to progress than that is good. Other than that he is lame.

Now let’s talk about Mike Malloy. He gets it done.

pissed off patricia @ 27:

I'd like to vote for Obama's wife, Michelle. Each time I have heard her speak she sounds like a really level headed great person.

Did anyone catch Obama on Morning Joe this morning? He was talking about the making of his Christmas message ad with his wife and little girls. It was one of those, what's not to like, moments.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for, these are just my personal feelings.

Who could jump down your thoat?
BTW Howz it going? Been a while. :lol:

MargeAggedon @ 35:

No matter how much I may like a candidate, when they start with the negative crap I am always put off.
When candidates start slinging mud I start ignoring them. It also makes me less likely to believe anything else they might have to say. Puts them squarely into the "Just another politician" category.
I was never a Hillary supporter but I certainly don't have the hate on for her that others do. She's just not my first choice for the candidacy.
The whole negative campaign thing just strengthens that decision for me.

Then Edwards is you man. He respectfully disagrees with his opponents. He is for the people. He is smart. O’Reilly hates him so you know he must me good. In fact the whole right wing smear machine a scared to death of him. Listen to him Marge.

Liam @ 17:

Try using Google search. I just did, and the following was easy to find. Do not assume that because you have not heard or read about something, that therefore in can not have happened. You sound like the blow hard. Ed Schultz was telling the truth about what had happened.

Can you handle the truth. Here it is for you.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- One of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top advisers is stepping down after saying Sen. Barack Obama's admission of past drug use would hurt his chances in a general election matchup.

Sen. Barack Obama says he doesn't think his admission of past drug use will hurt his presidential campaign.

"I would like to reiterate that I deeply regret my comments yesterday and say again that they were in no way authorized by Sen. Clinton or the Clinton campaign," Bill Shaheen, co-chairman of the Clinton campaign in New Hampshire, said in a statement announcing his decision.

Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.

[Deleted-No posting entire articles. Excerpt and links, OK-Sitemonitor]

You my friend sound like a Republican out to distort this petty issue by "hypereacting" and overplaying this issue. This in not important enough to spend this much time on. When you have to take this much time making your point, it usually involves shoving an idea down down someone's throat. It will not work. If you are Democratic, you know the media is out to get Hillary Clinton. This drive to take her down is lead by, Clinton's number one fan, Chris Matthews, who has the nerve to now set back and talk like he is not spending 90% of his show everyday beating up on everything Clinton does. When he cannot find something about Clinton, he fabricates it, just like he is doing with this issue. Matthews is making someone look very stupid. Barack Obama is sucking up their talking points to win over her. That is the truth. Before he did this, I was a Obama supporter.
Joseph

Richard @ 43:

Well Mr. Amato..lets get going!!!!! If our goal is to make sure the Democratic candidate arrives DOA for the general election..you got it going on.
When did Hillary Clinton sling any mud at Mr. Perfect? Was her "agents" as FOX called them or her "surrogates" as you called them? It was campaign workers..members of a many thousand member team that are not in total control by her. When she was informed of the Obama madrassa crap she FIRED the folks that did it.
!

It is not hurting Obama. It is hurting Hill.
Everything that is said publicly y a campaign is done on purpose. Don’t kid yourself. Bet on it. Just like the Huckleberry “cross in the background” commercial. When FAUX news says it was only a bookshelf or some crap they are playing to their “dumbshit no thinking for themselves” audience.
All they have to do is send out an email to all their people saying NO MORE STUPID ATTACKS!!
It hurts Hill. It hurts the attacker.

I turn the radio if Schultz comes on. Mark Green can kiss my ass. Bring back Seder, Maron, Steve Earle and keep the Young Turks. Give Mankiewicz a raise and get him back.

green heron @ 47:

Hillary is a wicked hag. Implying Obama is a Muslim--and therefore a terrorist--is not "giving as good as she's getting." It's the worst Rovian slime imaginable. If she gets the nomination I swear on a stack of secular new age enlightenment texts that I will not vote for her.

Who are you going to vote for? Huckleberry?

i kind of liken the democratic voter to the old japanese types, one can vote for his own best interests and vote for an honest man whos interested in your wellfare or vote for the rest whos interested in power only, the first sets at the table and eats his bowel of rice and drinks his tea knowing he did the smart thing, the second kneels on his grass matt with his sword in his hand in preperation to commit sepacoo, slice slice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cooch 08

swarmofkillermonkeys @ 48:

Wow, you are so right.

The ends ALWAYS justify the means. Anything to win, right? And the best thing for this country is to elect whoever can lie or cheat the best, you are so right. That proves you have integrity and skill in governance. I mean, what a great leader Karl Rove and his candidate turned out to be! Thanks for pointing that out.

I may be many things, but one thing I am not is naive. Elections, since the dawn of time, have never been about who is the "best" person for the job, they are about winning. The one who gets the job gets to put forth their agenda, whether it is good for this country or not. So in that case, yes the ends do justify the means. Because after what has happened the last eight years the last thing I want is a replay of '00 or '04.

The question, as I see in your response, isn't how you treat people, it's how many people you can knife in the back to get out of your way. I'm sure the grandmothers worried about heath care will agree with you when they vote. Not to mention the idea you seem to hold that whomever lies or insults the best must surely beat the Republicans. What an... interesting idea. I'm guessing you weren't on planet earth during the 2006 senatorial races where those that were negative "experts" paid a heavy price. Right, "macaca"?

How the candidates treat people is but one minor aspect of any campaign, and it is not even a defining one. Yes you may want someone forthright and honest, who will promise the moon and deliver the stars while he or she carried about by a flock of angels healing the sick and balancing budgets as far as the eye can see, but I want someone who understands that when you are attacked you respond in kind. I am tired of Democrats, both in this campaign and in Congress who when attacked respond like some woman in a 40's picture who has just has a grapefruit shoved in her face. I want someone who has the balls to fight back, not act all hurt and disappointed.

Also, you may think that the '06 races may have changed things but you would be wrong as I'm sure Sen. Harold Ford (D-TN) could tell you. I see your "macaca" and raise you "Call me Howie!"

You really don't seem to understand the ability to weather criticism and respond to it appropriately, or attacking people baselessly and shrilly. Of course, if the idea is to make it a two horse race (forgetting that Edwards is in a statistical tie with the other two, and that Edwards has drawn larger crowds that the other two at the last few head-to-head speeches, and just destroys the other two in "versus Republican" polls) and then lynch Obama, it is working in the media so far.

You must be so proud. Of course, it isn't 1992... it won't last. I hear there's this thing called "teh Intarwebs"... it may not hit in time for the primary, but it will sink her before the general election. Hillary seeming like a "broken record" isn't really the good thing you seem to thing it is.

I realize that this is not 1992, but do you? The lessons of 1992 were lost in the years after Clinton left office which is why the last two Democratic nominees got smoked. I dont what this to happen again. And of all the candidates Hillary is the only one who seems to not want it to happen again as well. And if truth be told I dont particularly like her or her positions on most of the issues but she does have two things I do like. First is that she's not Bush, at least not as incompetant as Bush. Second, you can tell she will fight to the death to win. And if Obama is hurt and bothered by the little bit that has been done so far, what's going to happen when the shit really starts flying? All of Oprah's sweetness and good thoughts wont help him and if he and his supporters think it'll stop after a few complaints to the media then I hope they've got plans for the day after elections day in 08 cause it certainly wont involve getting ready to take over the Presidency.

72 Ben

I may be many things, but one thing I am not is naive. Elections, since the dawn of time, have never been about who is the “best” person for the job, they are about winning. The one who gets the job gets to put forth their agenda, whether it is good for this country or not. So in that case, yes the ends do justify the means. Because after what has happened the last eight years the last thing I want is a replay of ‘00 or ‘04.

Exactly! And i mean EXACTLY the kind of bullshit i have spent my life fighting against!

It is true ... Obama was dealing drugs in a madrassa kindergarten class while his father was working for Osama. Just ask Hilary.