House GOP Attempting To Rewrite History Of Religion In America
By Logan Murphy Sunday Jan 20, 2008 8:37am
Last December, Republicans in Congress introduced a resolution noting the significance of Christmas and the Christian faith, which eventually passed, blurring the lines between church and state -- and they're at it again, attempting to rewrite American history and further the lie that America is a Christian nation.
Via Secular Coalition for America:
Jan. 11 - Flush with last year's success in passing H.Res. 847, "Recognizing the importance of Christmas and the Christian Faith," Christian nationalists -- those who would have the United States be governed as a Christian theocracy -- are pushing H.Res. 888, another resolution which promotes a false and distorted Christian nation reinterpretation of our history. Generally, we do not take action regarding resolutions because they are ceremonial in nature and express the non-binding opinion of one chamber. They do not have the force of law. Read on...
The resolution, which is supported by the likes of Reps Patrick McHenry, John Doolittle and Mean Jean Schmidt, calls for an "American Religious History Week" and rejects any attempt to remove religious messages or teachings from our public buildings and educational resources. There can be no doubt that during an election year, Reps voting against the resolution will be labeled anti-religion, but we can't let them be bullied into signing this flawed resolution that goes against the very principles our country was founded on. Contact your Representatives and tell them to say no to H. Res. 888, (corrected) which further blurs the separation between church and state.
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We need televised national hearings. Shown the true ugly face of these religious authoritarins to the American public. Rejection of the theocratic minority by the public will be outcome. “American Religious History Week”? Go ahead. Make your case and defend it.
History lesson:
http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=resources_brochure_christiannation
All you have to do is look at just who is behind this to see the hypocrisy therein.
This isn't about religion: it's about bigotry.
The United States of America gets more foolish with every passing day. The politicians in America know absolutely nothing about American history despite their spurious claims that they do. I am tired of the lame brains in the U.S. Congress as well. They are nothing but liars and panderers to a bunch of ignorant, educated-deficient, class of low-life’s living in Middle America needing to be led by a leash, and, wearing a collar.
In sum, the leaders of America are all messed up, and keep getting more ignorant by the year, if not, nanosecond. I am kind of tired of listening and hearing politicians pandering to the ignorant Middle America crowd as if they are the only people who live in this country.
Take your religion and shove it up your backside where the sun never shines in your body orifices anyway!
Religion is just another tool in an effort to socially control the population and to bring about divisions among people.
Thus, religion, and, in this case--Christianity is being used for cynical and evil purposes by these disgusting pieces of vermin the United States Congress....those trying to push this are sickos and wackos, in need to immediate psychiatric care.
so let me get this strait they want to put one religion above all others that they actually think thats what the founding fathers intended
I wanna ask them 2 questions
no1 when in all of human history when govt and religion been intertwined has it ever been good for the populace as a whole never thats when.it was more about control of the masses tru fear and intemidation oh and lets not forget greed
no2 Isnt it true that less than a 100 years before our founding fathers drew up the constitution that a bunch of parinoid religious nut cases were murdering ppl in the name of there god because they thought they were witches??
Even though these resolutions don't carry the weight of law, they act like a foundation in changing the framework of future discussions. Pretty soon, people assume we are a Christian nation based on Congress' multiple resolutions. See how this works?
Imagine Congress trying to pass a resolution that says, in effect, "Guns are bad." The Second Amendment clan would rise up and protest with all their might. The NRA would make sure it never made it to the floor.
Where are the Dems spines???
southern baptist sharia gets the bozack
Our government has been invaded and taken over by the corporate hogs and religious roaches. Neither of these interests belongs in the government of the United States.
The religious WRONG is using religion like a blunt instrument to beat people into their version of christianity. The christianity of hate and greed and lust and power. They are like the Taliban.
Throw them out. They are ruining our government and the Christian faith.
Most of the Protestant Christian denominations began because of people who didn't want authorities of various sorts telling them what to think and believe. You'd think they'd remember that before they start to use the government to impose their beliefs on others.
"Christian nation?" Whose Christianity? They never bother to think of that question either.
People of all faiths, Christians too, should be threatened by this sort of nonsense.
In today's immoral exploitation of religion for political power, what exactly is the difference between evangelicals trying to force "their" religion on "everyone" and religious persecution? A government that legislates "religious uniformity" on it's citizens is limiting their religious freedom and resorting to coercive measures to secure it. That is completey contrary to our Constitution and to the principles of democray.
From the 1640s onwards a vigorous debate about religious persecution took place in England. "The debate over persecution and toleration was a debate about what the civil magistrate ought to do about dissent." Persecution meant that the state was committed to secure religious uniformity by coercive measures. There actually is a statement by Roger L'Estrange: "That which you call persecution, I translate Uniformity". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_persecution
Just stuff the resolution full of things the religious freaks could never vote for themselves. Late term abortion rights, Minimum Wage $20, Impeachment of dick cheney, Defunding the war. ;)
Play the game.
First Amendment!!!!
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
'nuff said!!!
Your American Taliban (AT) at work!! Rewriting history to fit their agenda.
The AT's attempt to gain power over every aspect our government needs to be stopped. Vote for ANYBODY in the Democratic Party in November. The AT's annointed leader appears to be huckabee, and his recent words should be enough to scare anybody who believes in the US Constitution.
Keep the GOP out of the governance of our country, at all levels. Through the AT, their agenda is to spread christian hatred and intolerance of non-christians and those they see as not being obedient to their tainted bibical views - gays, scientists, non-evangelicals, etc.
Ricky Bones @ 14:
Careful. That kind of kooky talk could get you locked up in a Haliburton gulag.
Correction: call you representative and ask them to oppose H. Res 888 (847 was last year's).
Ricky Bones @ 14:
The Republicans in Congress are worse than al-Qaeda and I mean that....these actions show them to be intolerant and on the side of the Christian dominionists...these Christian dominionists already said they would use the death penalty on gays, lesbians, and anyone who has or had an abortion and those who assisted in allowing a woman to have one. The Christian dominionists, also, are worse than al-Qaeda and would use the tools of death on tjhose who do not "believe" in their psychotic belief system.
Another good reason to revolutionize our election process ............
I hereby propose an amendent to the Constitution of the USA whereas ,
All offices of the Congress would be filled by a national lottery that
would utilize Social Security numbers .
To be eligible, an individual must be a natural born citizen having attained the age of thirty years ........... have at least two years of
college ........... have no affiliation with the entertainment industry, news media or legal profession ...........have been gainfully employed
for at least five years .......... have not been ordained by any divinity school nor interested in doing so ......... and can locate the state of Kansas on a map .
Lawyers would be excluded in this process ........ we already have enough laws . Let them practice their profession somewhere else ,
say Bugtussle, Oklahoma .
Nevada Bob
Here is another history lesson :) different Dave(Reality Check)
www.truthbeknown.com
Lukeness @ 17:
Thank you, nice catch. It's been corrected.
Cool we can honor the Religion of Satanism and Witches and Muslims and Hindus and Jainists and Ba Hai and confuscious (That should go over big with the guys who are paying us for being stupid) and Budhists and those folks who chant "Nom me Oh ho renge Keyo" and we could get all kinds of fringe religions air time so that religions that kids have never heard of can get into their brains. Wiccans. This could be a good thing that could back fire on the religious nutters in general! Presuming the Nutters don't start burning them at the stake!
Why is Nancy even letting it see the light of day?
Last December, Republicans in Congress introduced a resolution noting the significance of Christmas and the Christian faith, which eventually passed
REPUBLICANS??? They may have introduced it, but that baby passed with overwhelming Democratic majorities in both houses. Get real, dude, our guys are just as stupid!
Hedonists Unite!!!!!!!!!!!
Atheists Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agnostics Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Secular Humanists Unite!!!!!!!!!!!
Wiccans Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Buddhists Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
America is a regressive/repressive country with a bunch of right-wing shrews walking around the halls of Congress who obviously are unable to comprehend American history, and are trying to revise the constitition for their al-Qaeda-like reasons....
The Republican radical Christians are no different than Osama Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri. It is sad but true that the right-wing Republican radical Christians hate the Enlightenment age of Western Civilization as much as Bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban, and other religious fundamentalists do. One thing that all religious fundies hate is: 1. secular society, and 2. Enlightenment era principles of Western Civilization. For these Christian dominionists to deny that they do not hate secular society or the Enlightenment era principles of Western Civilization, would be to contradict their sick religious fundamentalism.
Next they will re-write the bible, and strike out that 'Tho shall not KILL' part.
I want a national Atheist month. A full month off with pay for all card carrying Atheists. August would work nicely.
The Republican radical Christians = Osama Bin Laden
The Republican radical Christians = al Qaeda
The Republican radical Christians = the Taliban & Mullah Omar
Richy Bones is correct. These moronic republicans need a remedial reading class for the constitution, then a remedial ass wopin for trying to impose their stupidity for reality, and then a night at Gitmo just to remind them to STFU.
Why the fuck are we in Afghanistan, again?
scurrvydog @ 23:
Because she is realy one of them. Her and Reid are stealth repukes. They both support the war, tax cuts for the rich, elimination of health care for the poor, and the stupifying of the population thru lower educational standards. They are both determined to allow Bush to serve out his term unimpeeded. They love the guy....
The Goal "Christian Reconstructionists" Seek for the U.S.A.
wisedup @ 26:
Or add a shitload of subclauses.
When this passes, I'll meet you all in Canada.
The Republican radical Christians = Modern Day Terrorists
Yes, Republican radical Christians are, in fact, using such measures solely, for fear tactics, on the American people, whom do not hold their narrow-minded view of "Christianity."
All this talk in the blogosphere of an impending theocracy amounts to nothing more than fear-mongering. Christendom can't even settle on the "correct" translation of the bible, much less agreeing on which version to codify into law.
John H. Farr @ 24:
Not necessarily stupid - just candy *sses. They're terrified as being seen as anti-religion almost as much as they quake at the thought that the Rovians will label them "Osama lovers" for opposing the war in Iraq and wanting to cut off funding.
That the first Amendment prohibits the establishment of a religion, that Article 6 forbids a religious litmus test for office, that Osama and Saddam hated each means nothing. The Rovian and Democratic assumption is that the average voter slept through high school social studies and lumps all Muslims together - come to think of it they may be correct.
peaceful easy feeling @ 36:
The Republican radical Christians = Osama Bin Laden
The Republican radical Christians = al Qaeda
The Republican radical Christians = the Taliban & Mullah Omar
The Republican radical Christians = Modern Day Terrorists
Yes, Republican radical Christians are, in fact, using such measures solely, for fear tactics, on the American people, whom do not hold their narrow-minded view of “Christianity.”
NOW will some real secular nations (I'm looking at YOU, EU) start granting Americans asylum? It's getting clear that my kind aren't welcome here, anymore.
I'm so sick of all this shit. No wonder our country is in such a mess. Stuff like this is sucking all the air out of our government. There are real causes that need real solutions and this is not one of them. I call bullshit on the people who are pushing this as long as there is one child in our country going to bed at night hungry. That one child proves we are not a "Christian" nation.
peaceful easy feeling @ 36:
The Republican radical Christians are no different than Osama Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri. It is sad but true that the right-wing Republican radical Christians hate the Enlightenment age of Western Civilization as much as Bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban, and other religious fundamentalists do. One thing that all religious fundies hate is: 1. secular society, and 2. Enlightenment era principles of Western Civilization. For these Christian dominionists to deny that they do not hate secular society or the Enlightenment era principles of Western Civilization, would be to contradict their sick religious fundamentalism.
USA is a Nation of All Faiths. Where everyone is free to practice their faith or non faith.
Schmidt and the gang seem to have forgotten that simple element.
pissed off patricia @ 40:
Absolutely goddam right.
Under George W. Bush our government has manage to dismantle every amendment in the Bill of Rights except the 2nd. That is a bit disheartening. I guess I can take out my assault rifle and fulfill my only remaining right by shooting at some tin cans. If I am going to live in a theocracy might as well exercise my only right.
stephen @ 22:
That's exactly what I would do if this nutty legislation passed - I would spend the week teaching about everything BUT Xianity. And then I'd question whether Christ even existed...
Nah, thats a pipe dream. Chances are I'd quit first.
QuakerDave @ 4:
Is there a difference?
L.A. Confidential @ 42:
>>>Schmidt and her gang of Republican radical Christians are no different than Osama Bin Laden and al-Zawahiri. It is sad but true that the right-wing Republican radical Christians hate the Enlightenment age of Western Civilization as much as Bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and the Taliban, and other religious fundamentalists do. One thing that all religious fundies hate is: 1. secular society, and 2. Enlightenment era principles of Western Civilization. For these Christian dominionists to deny that they do not hate secular society or the Enlightenment era principles of Western Civilization, would be to contradict their sick religious fundamentalism.
>Schmidt and her gang of Republican radical Christians = Osama Bin Laden
>Schmidt and her gang of Republican radical Christians = al Qaeda
>Schmidt and her gang of Republican radical Christians = the Taliban & Mullah Omar
>Schmidt and her gang of Republican radical Christians = Modern Day Terrorists
Schmidt and her gang of Republican radical Christians have made America into nothing but a regressive/repressive country with a bunch of right-wing shrews like (Jean Schmidt) walking around the halls of Congress, whom obviously are unable to comprehend American history, and trying to revise the constitition for their al-Qaeda-like reasons….
Schmidt and her gang of Republican radical Christians just like al-Qaeda used Religion for political purposes in order for the social control of the population, as well as bringing about societal divisions, among people. Schmidt and her gang of Republican radical Christians just like al-Qaeda, but, in this case–Christianity, is being used for cynical and evil purposes, by these disgusting right-wing conservative Killers and pieces of vermin the United States Congress….those right-wing bastards trying to push this are sickos and wackos, in need to immediate psychiatric care.
Chris H. @ 44:
Did you mean 'tin cans' or 'thin cons'?
Oh yeah and there is this......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGbJpGlwjyU
Mr. XXXX @ 38:
Mr. XXXX @ 41:
Exactly the same, eh? Have there been Christian suicide bombers? Even the so-called "corporate MSM" wouldn't be glossing over that.
Oh, what does it matter. You guys will whine a little, but in the end you will all bow down and let the fascists have it their way.
If you don't believe me, the proof is in the pudding. Go to the comments for the Bush countdown clock and read Lucus' long list of prior fascist deeds and ask yourself what you did to prevent any of those things to happen, or if you have held anyone accountable after the fact.
You are all wimps!
/A swede, no longer living in America, the country I once loved...
Mr. XXXX @ 47:
It's called ignorance. The greatest enemy of humanity, and peace.
The deck is stacked against us Peace Warriors.
Just sent an email to Carney's office asking him to oppose this. We'll see what good it does.
The American Taliban fiddle while America collapses.
The world markets realize the jig is up and their sugar daddy aint buying anymore lapdances and champagne.
Huckuva job.
-GSD
peaceful easy feeling @ 50:
I'd call Tim McVeigh one, but he was too much of a pussy to completely finish the job.
GSD @ 54:
Yes and the Markets are fidgeting today with all this boring Holiday nonsense.
peaceful easy feeling @ 50:
Ever hear of:
1. bunker busters---nukes?
2. Smart bombs?
3. Laser Guided Missiles?
4. Shock and Awe Aircraft?
5. White Phosphorus?
The weapons devised and used by American Christendom is far worse than any "weapon" a suicide bomber uses. The weapons the American military uses wipes out whole towns, villages, and cities, so don't give me that crap, okay?
America has also legalized and institutionalized torture, so don't give me that high and mighty moralistic crapola that America does not use terrorist tactics on innocent civilians. okay?
Save your sanctimonious comments and moral relativist "Christian moral ethic reasoning" on someone else. Capeche?
John H. Farr @ 24:
I could not have said this better! You guys make it sound as if the Dems in Congress have nothing to do with anything! It's all the Republicans fault...Waaahaaaa...we don't know how to vote no! Waahaaa!
Stock Markets Plunge in Asia and Europe
New York Times, United States - 35 minutes ago
Indexes in Europe fell as much as 7 percent after a huge selloff in Asia. “There’s something approaching panic in the market,” Holger Schmieding.
All hands on deck!
All hands on deck!
Do these putz politicians believe the best way to combat ridiculous behavior brought upon by the effect(s) of a fraudulent religion as being 'the way' , is to forward their own equally phony and ridiculously untrue religious belief(s) ?
You don't combat drug addiction by getting the addict hooked on other drugs...............
T funny thing is one cannot hear the tiny voice within that may lead to conversion when there are so many loud voices in Washington.
peaceful easy feeling @ 50:
One other thing smart-ass-----
KILLING IS KILLING NO MATTER WHAT THE METHOD OR CHOICE OF WEAPON....
RIGHT AND WRONG, NO?
JUST CAUSE YOU ARE A SO-CALLED "CHRISTIAN" DOES NOT MEAN YOUR OWN CRAP DON'T STINK, YA KNOW.....
Christians justify killing and torture more than other religions if you ask me....I am sure you know this by your own indoctrination practices you are fed at your church....
Don't lecture me about morality, pal....I forgot more about kindness and love than you will ever know because you are led on a leash and collar and cannot come to think about such things on your own, by way of an independent heart or mind.
peaceful easy feeling @ 50:
When your moronic "leader" has the biggest arsenal at his disposal , and speaks in terms of "Us vs Them" as if it's truly indicative of a battle of "Good vs Evil" and feels no compulsion to cease and desist bombing and shooting everyone in a general vicinity where the individuals are part of the religion that is "evil" , why would "suicide bombers" be a necessity ?
Might makes right when it comes to these monotheistic believers ; regardless of the fact that each of those religions preaches that to be an incorrect belief and way to behave........
L.A. Confidential @ 59:
Good, I am glad...it is time the right-wing idiots wake up in the good ole USA and see how far their "Christianity" takes them when they are living in homeless shelters and out of a job and lose their home....and cannot afford to pay their bills.....I am actually happy....this is GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not suicide, but Abortion Clinics were bombed several times in the 80's and 90's, killing innocent women and medical doctors.
xxx @ 65:
They'll claim they are part of the "collateral damage" effect ............What a load of crap.
xxx @ 65:
Yes, look up the name of Randall Terry in a Google Search....there are also books about Christian terrorists in America who have killed doctors and attacked abortion clinics and that right-wing Catholic priests and other Christian ministers have implied that its sometimes "okay to move beyond the law" if "human life" is at stake in this regard.
Here thou goest, siblings...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCCR2huE2m8
I say, repeal the 14th Amendment.
Let each state go pretty much its own way.
People will vote with their feet.
After a short while, the people living in a state that has prayer in public schools and the ten commandments in courthouses will be happy with their situation...poverty, lousy health care, deplorable education and injustice for all but the wealthy elite.
peaceful easy feeling @ 50:
Yes, in fact using America's favored weapons of choice and availability produced by American defense contractors and industries, there have been plenty of Christian homicide bombers dropping tonnage of weapons on innocent men, women, children, elderly, and the infirmed in Iraq, Afghanistian, and in Vietnam.
Question:
By the way, who is the biggest weapons dealer to the United States favorite allies in the so-called Muslim nations that America purports to hate because of those awful "suicide bombers?"
Answer:
The United States in fact is the biggest weapons dealer to those Muslim nations.
United States and the Bush administration in fact, just finalized a weapons deal with Saudi Arabia--the home of al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden....talk is cheap on your part, dude.
peaceful easy feeling @ 50:
What is your point again?
Oh, you have none, on second thought, again...Oh my, my...
Mr. XXXX @ 62:
Predictably, the same ol' logical fallacies come out when these intellectually vapid comparisons between religions are challenged.
When enacted on a much larger scale, the very same attitudes you're displaying lead to wars between countries, so you're not really in much of a position to be preachin' to others about anything.
Peaceful Easy Feeling?
A song to blow one's brain's out to.
Although this is off topic for a thread about mandating a religious identity:
There was a group in our revolutionary days called the Sons of Liberty, which could be seen as a form of milder terrorism, comparatively speaking. They tarred and feathered tax collecters, and were known to have bombed a few carriages of officials, although in the story I heard, they called off the bombing because the target was travelling with his family. I also doubt lynching just started right after the Civil War, but could have been going on then too.
Additionally, we've had abortion clinic bombings, and the murders of doctors and their staffs, and websites egging them on with "Most Wanted" lists dripping with cinematic blood.
And indubitably terrorists are seen as Freedom Fighters in their own countries so the idea that sure they'll die, but they'll take some of the enemy with them is not too different from traditional soldiery, and is the logical conclusion from the loss of regular battle-fronts that started during World War I.
peaceful easy feeling @ 72:
Dude, "you're not really in much of a position to be preachin' to others about anything, either."
peaceful easy feeling @ 50:
Maybe not suicide bombers. Just abortion clinic bombers. And doctor killers.
Waxman needs to chair hearings on the tax exempt status of churches who have not only crossed the line, but have set up premanent settlements in the territories of government and politics.
I feel a crusade, uh.... I mean, ummmm..... religious reform, coming soon. I think I'm gonna start looking for an apartment in Canada.
peaceful easy feeling @ 50:
Terorists use the weapons they can afford, and that are close at hand. US terrorists, and I include bush and those who control him in that group, use the might of the American military - personnel and materiel - to do their work.
Go and pray for our redemption Mr "peaceful easy feeling". If it makes you feel better...
With their Lord and Savior, Bush-Jeezus at the helm for the last seven years, Amurika's own Taliban are the best armed terrorists on the planet.
"Additionally, we’ve had abortion clinic bombings, and the murders of doctors and their staffs, and websites egging them on with “Most Wanted” lists dripping with cinematic blood." -- ysbaddaden
Sorry, ysbaddaden. Didn't notice you had already made this point.
They can find time for THIS NONSENSE, but they can't find the time to impeach those two criminal sons of bitches at the top? How about giving THEM a little respect, and work on their asses first.
This country is going wacko. We all know "mean-jean" as a fruitcake pawn, but must they ALL be fruitcakes??
"Additionally, we’ve had abortion clinic bombings, and the murders of doctors and their staffs, and websites egging them on with “Most Wanted” lists dripping with cinematic blood."
Sorry, ysbaddaden. Didn't realize you had already made this point.
THis is how you get a backdoor lower-case theocracy. You wrap everything in the mantle of religion, you
have periodic "tests" (such as this resolution) to make sure everyone will stay in line, and acquire ammo to go after those who don't. Little by little....this is the real slippery slope. And what a TRIO of slimeballs
mentioned above: McHenry (a real little weasel), Mean Jean Schmidt and my favorite, John Doolittle. I think someone needs to get up on the House floor and accuse the Republicans of being the pharisees they are. And preferably it should come from someone with impeccable "christian credentials'.
SO IN 2006 .....judical watch (read....as....conservative legal watchdog) attacks hillary as not being ethical.... they site NOTHING OF VALUE...
FOR 2007..... judical watch AGAIN attacks hillary (with EQUAL NOTHING) but has added to her ethical evilness "that in 2006 she was cited by judicial watch for unethical conduct"
I CAN ONLY SUPPOSE THAT IN 2008 THEY WILL ADD 2007 TO THE LIST...
BY THE SAME LOGIC... I NOTICE THAT THE BIBLE IS TRUTH... BECAUSE IT SAYS SO... IN THE BIBLE
So, this type of legislation is more important than Healthcare reform, the budget, or Iraq??? This another Schiavo type ploy to rally the base! Disgusting!!!
"John Doolittle"
Has another candidate ever been more appropriately named ????????????????