Sorry, Candidates: Waterboarding works!
By Nicole Belle Sunday Feb 10, 2008 1:16pm
So sayeth the bard of FOXNews, Bill O'Reilly:
My question is: What will the presidential candidates do about [al Qaeda gaining strength and presence in Pakistan] and about the interrogation of captured terror suspects?
John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama all say “waterboarding” is torture and should be outlawed. So let’s assume it will be after President Bush leaves office. Let’s also assume that most captured terrorists will not give up their comrades under standard Geneva Convention interrogation methods.
Who wins under that scenario? Well, it looks like the terrorists do, right? With “waterboarding” out and chatting in, the bad guys have one less thing to worry about. Do you feel safer knowing name, rank and jihad number are all that’s required of a captured al-Qaeda terrorist?
Baby Jesus wept, Bill. It's so sad to know someone so clueless on every level is given a national platform to display that cluelessness again and again. As John pointed out to me this morning, the Boston Herald is a pretty conservative paper and even their readership is excoriating O'Reilly for this one. Read the comments to see.
So Bill, are you suggesting that Robert Fisk, who is in a position to know better than some loudmouthed television personality, is wrong?
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I think BillO knows more than he's letting on to. Now how are going to find out? Volunteers?!
Somebody needs to find him in his shower and stuff some pills in his mouth.
He is certainly right about certain media outlets ignoring important issues. If you watched Fox News you'd never know there was a war in Iraq.
So the extent of U.S. intelligence (at least in Bill-o's eyes) is using barbaric methods to obtain information. Awesome. I think that sort of thinking should easily assist in cutting back on how much money is currently spent on defense and security and perhaps put into social programs and education of course so we can avoid having dipshits like him project any influence over any intelligent human being.
Do you think he'd feel the same way with a loofah shoved down his esophagus?
5 goatsage...maybe a fallafel down his esophagus. A Fallafelgus.
The Carpenter @ 6:
If he snuffled it down, would it be a snufffallaphagus?
I got news for B. (for brainless) O. (for oral diarrhea) here. Waterboarding already is outlawed here. Not that this ever stopped the cheney/bush regime. The Geneva Convention forbids it. There was a Japanese officer who found that out the hard way. The Geneva Convention is one of those international laws that would have the force of law here with any law-abiding administration. Somebody should check to see if forcing somebody to listen to B.O. violates the Geneva Convention.
Another sideline soldier giving us his expert military advice. Maybe Billy tried waterboarding that last hooker who said no to his ugly ass.
I eagerly await watching Billo be waterboarded live for the duration of his show. Perhaps an imaginary homeless veteran can do the honors.
You know, I've been wondering this...since waterboarding is SOOOO effective, then why just limit it to terrorism suspects? Why not waterboard people who have been accused of murder, child molestation, rape, etc? I mean people who commit murder are also killing americans, why is it just limited to terrorism?
Let's not be too hasty to mock and dismiss the Falaffel Guy. Well, let's not be too hasty to dismiss him, at least. As the awful excuse for a human he his, it's easy for critical thinkers to ignore what comes out of his talking hole, but don't forget about the littlebrains. If you can slow your mind down enough and think like them, you'd see people who let Orally form their opinions for them. The guy is still a dangerous enemy of the public.
Here is a modified, and more appropriate, version of the O'Racist photo.
So, does this mean a captured American soldier may have to endure waterboarding because this jackass endorses it?
Of course waterboarding works. It just depends what your objectives are.
Let the fear-mongering begin!
It makes me feel safer in that I know i"m not going to let my dog shit on the wrong lawn and have some petty Christofacist politico with a hook in the DHS whisper in the right ear to have my door kicked in one night and have ME pulled out of my house in the middle of the night without a warrant and waterboarded.
It also makes me feel better knowing that it might just be possible to save this country and restore it's moral foundation that people like Bill OReilly have destroyed by turning us into a nation of feckless immoral cowards who go into a panic on seeing LED cartoon characters.
This is the new Fair and Balanced America.
Education, Positivity, Arts, and Higher Culture have been replaced with Imperialism, War Mongering, and Torture.
Interesting how people from another country (australia) can come to the USA and set up a propaganda machine complete with secret black ops dept. A machine that has changed the face of America and American unity forever.
http://www.caos.us/2008/01/naked-launch-prologue.html
Waterboarding (like most extreme torture) does work. It just doesn't work very well for intelligence gathering. For inducing confessions, however, it's almost 100% effective.
Anybody scared of witches?
fiver @ 20:
Nope
fiver @ 20:
which witch?
In waterboarding, they put the water in at the other end, falafeloofa boy. It's not the same as your frequent colonic confessional sessions with Ailes, ya factually dislexic blowhard...
Well, we don't know who is and who is not a terrorist unless we have some information, so anyone can be suspected of being a terrorist, then subjected to waterboarding, right? Bill O'Reilly terrifies me. Wouldn't that be enough probable cause to get some information out of him by any means neccessary?
Proud2bHumble @ 23:
But America can't be saved unless the Islamo Fascists are exterminated. Thats the point the GOP is trying to make with all his stuff.
In order to live high on the hog like we do, others Must Go!
I wish y'all would stop ragging on O'Reilly and his 'show'. If you're not carefull, he'll get yanked off the air 'due to popular demand', and our society will have lost a valuable and almost perfect bellweather for our times.
If you, as I, are constantly time-challenged by the infinitude of information sources in this day of 'the knowledge explosion', and are frantically second-guessing yourself as to whether your decisions are correct. If you wonder whether there might be some data out there that you have missed, and are therefore making an incorrect decision that my lead to your personal armageddon, or perhaps the end of civilization as we know it, take heart.
There is a simple, absolutely dependable, easy to access, and time-efficient way to assure yourself of 'rightness'.
Just tune in to O'Reilly. Knowing that everything he espouses is 180 degrees out-of-phase with reality, and his 'judgments' and 'pronouncements' are invariably, incredibly stupid, you can easily plot a correct, safe, and rewarding path for yourself in these troubled times.
Just do what he don't do, and do what he don't say. You'll be right.
As an alternative, you can apply the same approach to The Dummy's utterances, if you have the time to waste trying to decipher what he means.
Peter G @ 3:
WAR IN IRAQ ?!?!?!
With Paris Hilton movie debut a bust, Amy Winehouse kicking ass in the Grammy's from afar and Carrie Underwood's awesome dress, who wants to be bummed out by some messy, faraway war ?
Proud2bHumble @ 23:
Do you mind, I'm trying to enjoy my lunch. :)
Sorry billo! Waterboarding CAN'T be outlawed! SINCE IT IS AND HAS BEEN ILLEGAL ALREADY!!!!! And your America hating hero bush IS going to go to prison for ordering it!!!! GET USED TO IT!! And STOP continually trying to mis-inform the American people into thinking that isn't the case.
Has anyone actually seen this supposedly valuable evidence that was gained by waterboarding, or is all that so valuable that it is top secret? We know how scrupulously honest the Bushes are with top secret evidence. Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who they finally admitted to waterboarding, confessed to everything short being the gunman on the grassy knoll in the Kennedy assassination.
When it comes to dealing with scumbag terrorists who would not hesitate to blow up a school bus filled with American children, no interrogation technique is off the table. I support all forms of terrorist torture including water boarding; bamboo shoots under fingernails; forcing them to listen to Yoko Ono music.
Chico @ 27:
Really ... What the f*ck is going on over there. I turned on CNN-International and all they are showing is some black ex-cop snivvling in the courtroom for ten full minutes. I turned the damned thing off. We've got war going on, unrest in many parts of the globe, torture being done by the leading power in the world and all the news is about some poor bastards miserable life?
Muddy @ 30:
LOL, they can't show us any of THAT, it's "an ongoing investigation".
Strawberrybitch @ 28:
I had no way of knowing you were having chili for lunch... I apologize for regurgitating Blo's puke in such a graphic fashion. Forgive me?
@31
YOKO ON MUSIC...you monster...have you no soul in that black pit of a chest cavity???
O'reilly is one of the biggest scum bags on earth. To listen to him and agree is to declare your ignorance of any subject whatsoever.
fiver @ 20:
Witches? No. But clowns....especially those of the reichwing type....you bet.
Proud2bHumble @ 34:
Bwahahahahah. Dude, how'd ya guess, I WAS having a black bean burrito, too funny. But hey, you did me a favour, I wasn't really hungry anyways.
How surprising! Liberals always know how to bring up the problems with the world but when it comes to solving them they always seem to crawl back into the little holes in the dirt they came from and smoke a joint! You got a problem with "waterboarding"!? Great. How would you recommend getting information from some military extremist?! Hello???!!! It's called WAR!!!! duh, sorry it doesn't feel good to you! Get over it! Do what you have to do to win! Do it as fast as possible! And had Liberal woosies like you, who snivel about waterboarding, shut your mouths the war in iraq would have been over years ago! Quit saying how much you support the troops when all you try to do is tie their arms behind their backs! www.buycommonsense.com
Chico @ 27:
Our population has been well trained to become zombie "consumers" of this kind of stuff.
that clinches it. Fox News is really just another parody show. very funny stuff, Bill-O. my sides hurt.
Jacob Larson @ 39:
You truly suck you ignorant ape.
wait, i know. let's send all the terrorists to Jacob Larson's mother's basement, so that he can interrogate them using his patented Cheetoh and Mountain Dew method!
42 - L.A. Confidential
Do not feed the trolls.
Strawberrybitch @ 38:
Sorry, I tend to go on ad nauseum at times. It makes my friends and family sick. Glad everything came out alright for you though! ;)
"Water torture has been acknowledged by the United States to be illegal since at least 1901 when an Army officer was convicted and sentenced to 10 years imprisonment for using it to torture a Philippine rebel.
In 1947, a Japanese officer was prosecuted by the United States for strapping a U.S. civilian to a tilted stretcher and pouring water over his face until he agreed to talk. The officer was convicted of a Violation of the Laws and Customs of War and was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.
In 1968, the Washington Post published a photograph of an American soldier supervising the use of water torture on a North Vietnamese prisoner. The victim was being held down as water was poured over a cloth covering his nose and mouth to induce "a flooding sense of suffocation and drowning meant to make him talk." The soldier was charged, convicted and discharged from the Army."
THERE is the truth billo, you lying cowardly turd ball!!
goatsage @ 44:
He's an ignorant ape scared out his diapers.
Thats the facts.
Jacob Larson @ 39:
abob @ 31:
You really think either one of you couldn't be tortured into admitting that you were going to blow up a school bus?
Remember that you are in more danger of being struck by lightning than of being injured by terrorist. So, logically, you should put your efforts into supporting the War on Lightning (with my apologies to Samantha Bee).
Frightened. Little. Rabbits.
L.A. Confidential @ 47:
Actually referring to him as an ape is an insult to Apes.
Ok, let's assume the moon is made of jello.
Well, if the moon is made of jello, then why aren't we sending spaceships there right now with jello-scooping machinery? So anyone not endorsing the "Send Jello Scoopers to the Moon" policy is a terrorist pinhead, QED.
L.A. Confidential @ 47:
Okay, bananas then...but don't try logic
I've just reported to the FBI that I have evidence that abob@31 is plotting a terrorist attack on US soil. So if they waterboard him it's AOK, right abob@31? Because both me and the FBI consider YOU a suspected terrorist now so it MUST be alright. You're even dumber then billo! At least he probably doesn't believe what he's saying but just doing it for the money.
Jacob Larson @ 39:
What is a liberal woosie?
Billo is getting shriller by the day! The more he rants and raves gives me a strange sense of poetic justice. I pray a Dem wins. Watching Billo go up in flames would be so fasinating.
I'll vote for any candidate that promises to arrest Bill O'Reilly and have him waterboarded.
What? It's not like it's torture. Where are you going, Bill?
Isn’t there a certain amount of recklessness when one has to resort to torture to obtain strategic information? Especially trying keeping this torture secret. Think about it, there are a lot of military moves one could avoid doing this. Or has that been the core principle of our so called commanders on the ground.
It also shows that America seems desperate to gain intelligence. All which says we are not wining this war.
Terrible @ 52:
you got any Yoko Ono music handy? i have a feeling that'd be his breaking point.
I think it's a little rubber thing that keeps your drink warm.
Jacob Larson@39, and it is sick moron America haters like you who CREATE the F***ING problems in the first place!!! So the obvious answer is keeping even the smallest of positions of power like dog catcher the F*** out of your sick hands!!
goatsage @ 51:
His mentality is whats holding back the whole world from progress.
It's unfortunate these types are permitted to breed. But then again the elites wouldn't have useful idiots like him to exploit and discard if they weren't encouraged to "screw" anything they can hold down.
BabushkaBlue @ 53:
Woosie is a pussys way of saying pussy. Hope that cleared things up.
When will we stop saying that waterboarding "simulates" drowning? It doesn't "simulate" anything. It IS drowning. It's just that the torturers stop the drowning prior to death to ask a question.
P.D. @ 54:
Wouldn't forcing suspected terrorists to watch his program be a more effective form of torture than simulated drowning? Is there really any difference for that matter?
I had one at Trader Vic's back in the 70's. Pineapple juice and lots of rum I think.....
I suspect that Bill O. is really a homosexual. I think he should be waterboarded until he confesses. That would prove he is a homosexual.
Is it against Geneva Convention interrogation rules to have Bill O'Reilly rub mayo all over himself and try to give Al Queda terrorists a lap dance? I mean, that would surely cause them to give up information.
Interesting that Bill-O would bring up al Qaeda's resurgence in Pakistan to justify torture. He has done this because the Bush administration AND both Republican candidates do NOT have a solution for this. Only Obama has stated the correct path for addressing this real threat:
1. "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," - Barack Obama
2. "Well, let me just say we think that our approach to Pakistan is one that not only respects the sovereignty of Pakistan as a sovereign government, but is also designed to work in a way where we are working in cooperation with the local government. So we think that our policy and our approach is the right one." - Tony Snow, then Bush's press secretary
3. "Because, first of all, Pakistan is a sovereign nation." - Pres. Bush
4. the situation in Pakistan is "very delicate," since the country's leader, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, is an American ally with a tenuous hold on power. The Arizona senator said a direct American attack on the country could cause a backlash that might topple Musharraf. "I think it's kind of a simplistic view of a very complex situation," - John McCain
5. "What we’ve seen happen is that in the Musharraf government, he has told us that he really does not have enough control of those eastern borders near Afghanistan to be able go after the terrorists. But on the other hand, he doesn’t want us going in because it violates his sovereignty." (italics mine) - Mike Huckabee
So, the Republican's answer to the growing threat in Pakistan is "leave Musharraf alone!" (ala Chris Crocker defending Britney Spears). Bill-O and other party-before-country loyalists have decided that defending torture is the way to make up for this utter weakness.
WTF @ 61:
Thank you.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 63:
That'll make me woozy, and blowing chunks
Not pineapple chunks.
BabushkaBlue @ 53:
BabushkaBlue, they're the people who crushed the fascist hoards last century I'd say. Jacob just hates America so bad and is such a weak fearful little wimp he'll say anything against our nation.
ysbaddaden @ 68:
You are one sick dog. :)
Proud2bHumble @ 70:
Actually, I think a Sick Dog is vodka and grapefruit juice... Oops, that's a Salty Dog. Never mind. :)
casper46 @ 60:
No. Those folks are wussies. Google the word.
According the www.thefreedictionary.com:
wuss (ws)
n. Slang
A person regarded as weak or timid and especially as unmanly: "Cats are for wusses, dog men say" Laura Blumenfeld.
I'm just saying that if a troll wants to call me a name, it might be smart to at least spell it right. The idiocy takes all the wind out of his bright shiny sail otherwise.
Jacob Larson @ 39:
it is very difficult to place others on trial for war crimes, when you and your country practice the same measures.
in the first gulf war, do you believe that the iraqi's wouldve surrendered en masse had they known they could be subject to unbelievable tortures?
how we are behaving now, will ultimately come back and bite us in the ass
i just wish you guys could see that
fiver @ 71:
Isn't a Sick Dog just a Salty Dog with a splash of Grenadine?
Um Yeah, I'm sure guys like Jacob will feel the same way when Hillary busts down his door and waterboards his pasty, white, republican, virginal ass. Thanks for all the executive power, boneheads.
The looniest of toons. Evern the Freepers are starting to, outloud, wonder about his and Coulter's sanity. I hope they never take him off the air. I want everyone to see the voice of Conservative America..
Strawberrybitch @ 75:
Ouch!
THERE ARE NO STANDARD GENEVA CONVENTION INTERROGATION METHODS
It is ILLEGAL to interrogate prisoners of war.
END OF SENTENCE.
Not even our hippie liberal press seems to understand that.
Why wonder why so many people around the world hate U.S.! Ignore the Geneva Convention, International Law etc.
I wish Bill O Reilly would step up to the plate and volunteer for waterboarding. Maybe just maybe he would tell the truth about something....anything.
JacobLarson@39 Dude, if you believe that sorry shit you spit out, just go home and eat a bullet.
abob @ 31:
No soul. You have been played. Do unto others.
Strawberrybitch @ 75:
If I might refer you to:
Proud2bHumble @ 23:
Sorry, couldn't resist. ;)
Jacob Larson @ 39:
Your post does not even warrant a response because it's utter nonsense. Go collect your paycheck from the RNC and move on, nutjob.
Yellow Elephant Safari @ 63:
A republican woman who has had too much to drink. Not too, too much to drink because then she's too woosie and will pass out.
Lone Rogue @ 65:
I agree if by "information" you actually mean "lunch".
Blue Lensman @ 1:
I"ll do it! We should do it during this show.
Why would some one need to buy common sense?
Billo, boy george, little dick, cunti and the rest are nothing more than sadomasochistic lunatics.....
Simon White-Thatch Potentloins @ 83:
"Do what you have to do to win!"
Yeah! String those Afghani taxi drivers up! Torture and kill the innocent scum taxi-driving farmer! Lie us into war! Kill! Kill! Kill! Wooooo! Republicans-family values! Woooo! Do what you have to do to win!
I'd be happy if this fellow left the country. He's sick.
How surprising! Liberals always know how to bring up the problems with the world but when it comes to solving them they always seem to crawl back into the little holes in the dirt they came from and smoke a joint!
Who put Hussein in power in the first place? Bush I and Rumsfeld. Whose fault is it?
You got a problem with “waterboarding”!?
Yes, because I am not a completely worthless asshole yet.
How would you recommend getting information from some military extremist?!
Actual police-style investigation has caught several potential domestic terrorists since 9-11. DHS-style bullshit has caught nothing and nobody, because it's not really meant to.
Hello???!!! It’s called WAR!!!! duh, sorry it doesn’t feel good to you! Get over it!
Maybe you violent, cowardly clowns shouldn't have started this war.
Do what you have to do to win! Do it as fast as possible!
We're gonna. We're gonna kick out all the neocons, we're gonna throw them in jail for war crimes, and then we're gonna start fixing all the stuff they fucked up in this cou