Super Tuesday Part Deux
By Jamie Monday Mar 03, 2008 9:02pmFrom the never ending primary season.
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Let's go Barack. We need Change.
Obama takes Vermont. One down. Three to go tonight.
Keith just asked Andre Mitchell what would need to happen tonight to force CLinton to drop out. Her response: If she loses Texas and Ohio.
Fine. Then that's the way it shall be.
"So be it, Jedi."
Well, it looks like it's gone from a mathmatical impossibility for Hillary to win to a mathmatical impossibility that Hillary can win.
lol
She needs a combined percent win of 25% between the two big states, otherwise she cannot win mathematically.
Example:
Ohio:
C - 60, B - 40
Texas:
C - 52, B - 47
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If this DOES NOT HAPPEN, she will have to bow out before Pennsylvania on April 22nd (can you imagine waiting that long???)
The more fear mongering I hear, the less and less I like Hillary. She sometimes talks like a Republican.
Big question of the evening: Will Hillary be Singing ‘O-h-io’?
So now with this first report of Vermont's votes, Barack's won 12 states. How many has Hillary won again? (I know this doesn't determine who gets the nomination, but it sounds good if I just had the Hillary figure.)
Ohio polls are about to close. Exit polls so far are showing Obama 51 to Clinton 49.
Texas: Obama 50 to Clinton 49
Rhode Island Obama 49 to Clinton 49
It's too close and too early.
Guys, what the hell are you doing calling a state for a certain person with only 0% of the precincts having reported? Can't you wait until there are least 50% of the precincts reporting? This is nuts and this is one of the reasons voters get disillusioned.
Exit Polls:
VT Obama - 67, Clinton - 33
OH Obama - 51, Clinton - 49
TX Obama - 50, Clinton - 49
RI Obama - 49, Clinton - 49
That seems awefully close for Hillary to gain any ground in delegates.
Phoenix Justice @ 10:
Exit polls show a pretty good blowout.
I'm exhausted. I was born and raised in Milwaukee so I'm trying to cope with Favre retiring. The last thing I need is for Barak to lose Texas and Ohio by a point and for Hillary to let this race linger on so she can destory the Democratic Party.
Seriously....to all the Hillary supporters.....if she loses either Texas or Ohio, can you agree that she should drop out first thing in the morning and help unite the party against John McCain? If this thing drags out for April, McCain will win in November by a landslide.
But, but, but Rush wants Hillary to win!
Vermont is a very good example for Barack. With a 95% white demographic it clearly shows his cross demographic draw.
His message is one of hope and dog-gone-it people like him.
Leslie @ 9:
Texas is just about to start caucusing, Barack always does well on those.
Why no analysis on the margins of these victories? Obama has won almost every contest by double digits. The big states that Hillary has won, not necessarily so. Even if Obama wins only two states tonight, it's not necessarily bad considering just the following: he started with a 20 point deficit in Texas and Ohio, and for the past week he's had to run a campaign against two Clintons, a Bush, and a McCain.
The key for me to watch tonight is the margin of Hillary's victories, and of course those "things" that the talking heads seem to have forgotten about tonight....the delegates.
ConcernedCanuck @ 11:
Sure hope you're correct.
Anti-War Vermont Declares War on Hillary
VietVet8666 @ 18:
As long as it's close, she actually loses because of the delegate numbers. Please Dems, stick a fork in her, and get set campaigning against McShouldaRetiredAlreadyTwoDecadesAgo
I read in the Huffington Post that Deanna Favre has written a blog to all Green Bay Packers fans that she will be ready DAY ONE to be the starting QB for the Packers because her experience as Brett Favre's wife is way more than Aaron Rodgers sitting on the bench the last three years and giving locker room pep talks.
I hope all you Obama supporters won't be too crushed when he wins the Presidency and then does none of the promises he's made over the last year. Lets face facts. He's a politician. Clinton is a politician. McCain is a politician. They make promise after promise after promise, feed on your fears and hopes to get your vote then once they have won they do nothing they promised they were going to do. I don't really don't think McCain has a chance in hell of winning the election. It will be whatever Democrat gets the nomination. They really aren't that much different. I think they only voted differently twice. It doesn't matter anyway. Neither of them are going to do anything about NAFTA, health insurance, the war or anything else. Whoever wins is going to need a giant pooper scooper to clean up the mess left for them by out dictator-in-chief and you'll hear all kinds of negative horrible things about the way they have to do it.
Slaw @ 6:
She is a Republican, albeit half-assed or lite, but make no mistake who or what she is. 1 down, 3 to go!
SiteMon: Forgive my previous exuberance, but we're so close to getting rid of her :)
Phoenix Justice @ 10:
I can understand why voters get disillusioned, but it's largely because they don't understand the science behind projections.
The percentage of precincts reporting is entirely irrelevant to making a scientifically accurate projection. Projections are (a) based on exit polling; and (b) based on applying statistical and mathematical formulae to the patterns in which people vote.
It's all actually quite fascinating. Patterns of behavior in the morning can actually yield predictions of behavior later in the day.
Sometimes, it won't be possible to project until almost all the precincts have reported. Other times, it is possible from the get go.
Mister Anderson @ 21:
I think she wants to play center.
Flashback to shortly after the Maryland-DC-Virginia primaries: Almost everybody (even the Clinton supporters) agreed that Hillary would have to win both Texas and Ohio by double digit margins to remain viable in the delegate count, and thus in the primaries. Now today...it's an entirely different story. What's that about?
Hillary will still stay in. As long as she CAN fight she will. Even if she loses all four, the hypothetical possibility of getting all the SuperD's and somehow getting MI and FL delegates to be recognized will keep her machine running.
Right, there's no difference between the GOP and the Dems. If Al Gore were in the White House instead of Bush, we wouldn't have gone to war in Iraq, we wouldn't have walked away from the NPT, we wouldn't have destroyed the surplus and created a huge deficit [in order to gut the social safety net], there might not have been a 9/11 [since Gore would've paid heed to all the pre-9/11 warnings], there might not have been an Enron, the Constitution wouldn't have been gutted, the White House wouldn't be illegally spying on everyone...I could go on.
Mister Anderson @ 21:
BURST OUT LOUD LAUGHING. Thank you.
Ron @ 25:
Why not? Isn't it her turn?
Mister Anderson @ 21:
Bwaaaaaahahaha.......that's hilarious!
Mister Anderson @ 21:
Nice
P.S. My comment was in response to Giemeabreak, #22.
Rico @ 26:
Thats about spin. The full time news outlets desperately want the race to go on. Its fun and easy. But listening to NPR today they did state rather calmly that HRC needed double digit wins in both states to catch up to Obama.
giemeabreak @ 22:
If things continue the way they are, you are absolutely right. But I think what Obama is telling us is to beware of candidates with all the answers, fixes and solutions to your problems. We're not going to change this country from the top down. Revolutions never work that way.
giemeabreak @ 22:
We'll be okay, don't worry about us. I trust that you won't be too crushed when Obama wins the Presidency and then turns out to be quite a good President after all?
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 300:
RIGHT!!! I pray Obama can somehow turn this around to make the pants changing bigots show the true color of their undies
Shoot! Thought I was watching McCain give his victory speech; turned out it was Lawrence Welk.
Damn...this is alot closer in TX than I was hoping for. If Clinton finds a way to pull this out and secure the nomination the I'm done with this frickin party and the election. I probably have better things to with my time than obsessing over a bunch of political blogs anyway...
Thank you, Hillary, for miring the Democratic Party in BS and fear while McCain clinches the nomination.
If anybody had said a year ago that Hillary was going to help the Republicans keep the White House, we'd've laughed... okay, maybe not.
But if anybody had said a year ago that Hillary was going to help the Republicans keep the White House by acting as a spoiler for the Democratic nominee which wasn't her, we'd've laughed.
And now, in her relentless ambition, she's shitting where she lives and it only helps the authoritarian scumbags in the Republicanite Party.
Thanks, Hillary!
I'm starting to get nauseous at the thought of having to ever listen to McCain speak publicly. It is so painful I just switched over to elevator music on a weather channel. Meantime, I cannot fathom accepting another 4-8 years of the Clinton-Bush duopoly. This crap is starting to piss me the %&*@ off.
xoites defends Constitution @ 353:
you and me both xoites..............
Merp™ @ 350:
Most of what they yell is;
"Eh? What time is it?"
"I don't wanna go back to the home"
"I gotta bingo!"
"Who are these people?"
mo_dem @ 354:
Jeb Bush
I can see why people are voting for Clinton. She's more well known, and with Vince Foster and Whitewater, all the bad news seems to be out. Obama is more unknown so people may be concerned of a bombshell later on after the nomination.
By electing Clinton over Obama, we will be waiving one big distinction in the fall campaign, namely enemy recognition. Obama opposed the war back in 2002, and clearly articulated the reasons why, and therefore showed much better judgment than Clinton/McCain. On the other hand, if people think the Democrat is going to win anyhow absent a big bombshell, Clinton may be the safer bet. Lets see, on health care, Clinton/Obama are going to do something, whereas McCain is going to stick his head in the sand and do nothing like GWB - could be enough to win.
I voted Obama on super Tuesday, but I can see why people would consider Clinton. When that call comes in at 3:00AM, so long as she says to Bill, "Honey, would you get that?", we may be getting the experience she is representing. Otherwise, I have no idea what she's talking about concerning experience. The Clinton years were good years for many of us, and I don't think people would mind if Bill was calling some of the shots in the background. In fact, I think some people are hoping for exactly that in the election of H. Clinton.
3chordgroove @ 363:
Don't lose focus on the popular vote in Texas. It's about delegates damn it, and we won't know the Texas results until tomorrow or later.
Ron @ 14:
.
And, more, Ron - he was much more EXPLICIT: shillary is doing repigs DIRTY job on Obama:
“” He also said Clinton is more willing than the Republican National Committee and John McCain’s campaign to criticize Barack Obama.
“We need Barack Obama bloodied up politically. It’s obvious that the Republicans are not going to do it, they don’t have the stomach for it,” ……. I want our party to win I want the Democrats to lose.”
ConcernedCanuck @ 368:
oh lawd.
Whoever said it's painful to listen to McCain, I hear ya...
Even with Bush, you can at least anticipate some horrible English, but McCain has nothing. It's not exciting. No sense of humor. No stage presence. The only thing you can do is to count the "My Friends" unit.
And Cindy McCain reminds me of Pai Mei from Kill Bill Vol 2.
ConcernedCanuck @ 348:
You need to straighten out your piece of the world before you ask ridiculous questions.
BREAKING NEWS: Presumptive GOP nominee McCain: ‘The contest begins tonight’
Holy sh*t.
Hillary. End it. Millions on new TV ads attacking Obama will be reeeeeeeally helpful. I hope she knows that these ads will be used as references for the rethug ads, copied, replayed, used in debates to ask Obama to explain to McCain in front of the audience "what Hillary really meant by all that, Mr. Obama, are you that bad?" while McCain will be laughing like crazy.
I'm sure she can do better than the "3am" spot. Obama may be showed as waaaaaay weaker than that. So many months. Why not go totally negative on a fellow democrat?
We're gonna be fuc*ed, but that's Hillary. You've gotta love her.
NoBuddy @ 369:
Shoveling dirt does not become you.
ConcernedCanuck @ 367:
lol. .. "Where's my geritol!?"
tHeGaMeOfLiFe @ 374:
You live in my piece of the world, and voting for somebody new would help that out immensely. We northern idiots warned you not to vote for Bush...TWICE...and you didn't listen. Now we are being polite and warning you again not to vote for Hillary Lieberman. Are you listening? NOPE. I even read on a liberal blog (I kid you not) one person posted "dang, I'm starting to like Hillary and think she'd be great to have a beer with and chat".......How f'ing stupid is that?
ron @ 375:
So if she wins Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island tonight she should go against all wishes of the folks who voted for her and quit....riiiiiiiight. Wow. Sad.
CappuccettoRosso @ 371:
ludicrous...............just wait ,
Scooter @ 306:
oooooooo
Legal challenges in Texas and strong hints that the Clintons will want to discount the Texas results.
I'm at a caucaus in Houston where a Republican operative was walking around outside telling people they could sign there choice on her clipboard and go home. It seems she was there since before the pollls closed and managed to get quite a number of Democrats to sign and leave before she was found out. She was questioned outside in front of everyone and all people she approached were asked to step up and identify her. She was taunted as she left the premises covering her face. The constables arrived 15 minutes after that but I don't know if their arrival was related to the operatives discovery.
Though she covered her face, I have to believe she wasn't ashamed. Not if she had the guts to do this. I also have to believe she was not operating alone, unless she's extremely ballsy. Her accomplices probably snuck out.
Disgusticunts is what we should call the Repugnicunts.
uncle joe mccarthy @ 312:
Being in Ohio, I'm ashamed tonight. We deserve the ridicule. We Ohio Dems. apparently like the Republican Hillary Clinton. WTF? We bitch about NAFTA, but like then vote for the one who likes it. But then again, apparently Race was an issue according to MSNBC, and for those that thought it was one, voted for Clinton, 60-40. Again, WTF? If we're the bell weather state, then we need a new one.
The Republican Party must be laughing their asses off. Hillary will pick up three of four wins, and the fight continues until there is nothing left for the general election. AND on top of that, she has proven without a doubt that negative campaigning will still work on the electorate in November. Fear beats hope. Yippee. Can't wait to see that first federal budget next year with the 30% increase in military spending, the cuts to social services, and the increased borrowing. Gad bless America.
Is Ohio going to go for McCain campaigner Hillary Clinton?
3chordgroove @ 363:
Hillary has to win Texas and Ohio by 62% to overcome Obamas pledged delegate count.
Look at the states left on real clear politics, Hillary can win Penn all day and Obama take the rest and he's still ahead of her by a couple of hundred...
On the flip side for Clinton to think about bowing out Obama will have to win Texas by 75% and Ohio by 60...that aint happening.
I think Penn and Carolina will be the battle grounds next...
mudshark @ 380:
No kidding Muddy, if these whippersnappers think Hilliary is "BEING MEAN" just wait until the rightwing attack dogs get started. Trust me, they've got their arsenal all lined up.
Itty bitty RI
repugs want to keep the dems fighting so mccain can slip in.
Rico @ 382:
Well according to CNN, Obama filed a lawsuit to keep Ohio polls opened later.
ron @ 375:
oh please...you are worried about st john?
i hate negative campaigns....but the dems can run ruffshod on the idiot
dont worry about the repugs....worry about all the dems and independents that have been turned off by hillary's campaign
My wife and one of her friends have decided to support Sen. Obama in his presidential bill.
My wife is from the Japanese fishing village of Tateyama and her friend is from Yokohama.
That makes my wife (a mother of two) a "Tateyama Obama mamma" and her friend (also a mother of two) a "Yokohama Obama mamma."
I just like saying "Tateyama Obama mamma." Thought I would share.
I wonder how much of the neocon vote for Hillary was because of Limbaugh or because they voted for the lying, fear-mongering, cheating candidate out of instinct.
This is the level of ignorance and stupidity to be found in Texas, and probably in Ohio.
A coworker was still uncertain which Democratic candidate to vote for at 5pm today. She's a republican, mind you, but has been talking about voting for a Democratic candidate this time. I called her to find out if she had made a choice. She decided Hillary was going to win in Ohio and Texas and would eventually be the Democratic candidate for president which would drive many people to vote for McCain instead of her so McCain is going to be the President so she voted for him. Unfortunately she fears McCain and thinks he's an evil warmonger and isn't sure he's all there anymore. But she voted for him.
GEEZ! Makes me ashamed that my fellow Texans fear enlightenment and vote against their best interests.
I'm very curious as to why so many Americans think Canada got their jobs because of NAFTA. Those jobs were exported to China. That has nothing to do with NAFTA.
Leslie @ 28:
And we would have Lieberman running. Don't forget that.
"The Illinois senator was pressed by reporters at a news conference about his relations with the 52-year-old real estate developer and fast-food magnate. Rezko is charged with buying political influence with campaign money .
"Tony Rezko was a friend and supporter of mine for many years. There's no dispute that he raised money for us, and there's no dispute that we've tried to get rid of it," he added.
"Obama ended his day and his campaigning in Texas — with a noisy late-night rally in Houston. Repeating a signature election refrain, he shouted: "I have only one question for you: Are you fired up? Ready to go?" When the crowd roared its approval, he added, "Let's go change the world."
(Uuurrrp.) Oppps, excuse me.
Hillary means more of the same.
Obama means lots of people who want their government back.
Vote for one or the other.
Don Davis @ 19:
spam much?
Also I think this is going to be a long night.
Phoenix Justice @ 10:
I totally agree. I think they should use exit polling as a meter but definitely not as an official "call" on the winner. NH proved by 7,000 votes that it's fallible.
Mister Anderson @ 13:
I don't think she should quit. Unless her delegate count was waaaaay behind Barack, then yes. But that's not the case. Last time I checked, the US is a democracy still and there are at least 10 pleaces that have yet to vote for their candidates. Just because the MSM has chosen Barack as the candidate (because he makes better TV) doesn't mean the rest of the country should give up on voting for him or for Hillary.
But then again, I live in FL so what I say or vote doesn't count anyway.
Rico @ 35:
No, he's telling you not to ask too many questions. Bamboozles work that way.
McCain has taken Ohio. His nomination is all but official.
Ohio, too close to call for the Democrats with 1% reporting.
Obama looking to sweep, and his chances are looking good right now.
Ron @ 36:
He isn't? I coulda swore he was running against Obama.
One of them needs to give it up soon. I really don't care who, but there is going to a big issue of uniting voters behind just one of them if this continues.
giemeabreak @ 22:
Not me. I think we're all fucked. It would take a brilliant wise president WITH the help of an apolitical and acquiescing congress to fix the mess Bush will leave us in. I'm just in it for the fun of the race and even better seeing HRC lose whom I don't like.
ConcernedCanuck @ 43:
For VP. Not what he wanted.
giemeabreak @ 22:
So, are you simply a pessimistic fatalist, or do you have any suggestions for improving on things?
Curtis Robert Tyree @ 383:
Rural Ohioans LOVESSSSSSSSS watching their factories close down and their jobs being shipped overseas. I guess it gives them something to bitch about at coffee shops. They don't want SOLUTIONS! They want PROBLEMS!
Curtis Robert Tyree @ 383: