Morning Joe: Scar Says Obama Threw His Grandmother Under The Bus
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Mar 18, 2008 2:20pm
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Following Barack Obama's speech yesterday the media has been dissecting every syllable and nuance. Reactions have been mixed and the right is now trying to portray Obama as "the black candidate" who just wants to blame whitey. That's why it comes as no surprise that right wing tool, Joe Scarborough, can't stop talking about Obama and Reverend Wright and has now picked up the Free Republic line on the speech -- how dare he say ANYTHING bad about his grandmother!
"I really wonder why anybody, why any man would throw his grandmother under the bus during a political speech, regardless of the point he was trying to make."
Now that Tucker no longer has his own show, Joe has taken on the role of wingnut concern troll and on this morning's Morning Joe, he was in rare form. He kept saying over and over how Obama's speech was one of the greatest speeches on race ever, then can't shut up about how white folk in Ohio and Pennsylvania will never buy into it. It's true, some people weren't impressed with the speech, but Joe constantly yammers on about how Obama supporters are all latte-sipping yuppies from midtown Manhattan and Georgetown, which is patently false.
Will Bunch asks if we're ready for Obama's post-racial politics v.2.0. Given Scarborough's remarks, I'm not so sure. Pam Spaulding hopes so:
People who know me well are quite aware that I'm not one prone to great waves of emotion; I'm Ms. Even Keel to most. The emotion was because there I sat, reading elements of wisdom about our desperate need for engagement on the topic of race that I have written about on this blog for years. At times I have almost pleaded with readers to feel safe to open up to discuss the difficult issues of difference -- putting up posts with a dearth of comments because few were willing to put themselves out there.
Sometimes I feel like a tiny, insignificant voice attempting to bridge a Grand Canyon-sized divide. I can't imagine what it felt like for Barack Obama to write and deliver this speech, knowing the audience that would be receiving the message.
Because of that, in Obama's speech I was reading the words of a man that gets it, regardless of the fact that he is a candidate for President of the United States of America that resonate with me on this issue. That he is this close to becoming president of this country -- and to risk it all by cracking open this door on a painful area of this country -- is something I thought I would never see. He is giving voice to a healthier view on race relations that needs to be embraced from a stage where it's hard to argue that it is not an issue worth tackling.
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The Repugs refuse to let this non-story go.
Is it time for C&L to put this story on ignore?
Shit, I blame whitey! Where's the beef?
primero!!!
This is silly Obama loves he grandmother.
He was just trying to explain that he understands how some people feel.
Try to have an adult conversation with an angry child, and this is what you get: Joe Scarborough.
joe scarborough is a republican politician.
that is about all that matters.
Forget it this is all we're going to be hearing about in a few months or so OBAMA-REV WRIGHT!!!!!!
We're going to be carpet bombed with it expect it and be ready for it.
We should not be shocked that the Republicans want to keep this debate going. This Wright hoopla is truly about the Republicans trying to seize back control of the news cycle and messaging. The Republicans are geniuses at three things:
1. Applying tried and true consumer Marketing/Branding techniques to politics. E.g. Taking a talking point, reducing it to a bumper sticker slogan and then ensuring every mouthpiece / Republican pundit repeats it ad-nauseum until the public buys it as gospel truth (pardon the pun)
2. Taking an opposing candidate’s strength and finding a way to turn it against him or her in true Rovian fashion. E.g. Obama is young and dynamic / a breath of fresh air (Obama is inexperienced, I mean, what do we know about this guy – he’s a complete wild card), Obama is of mixed race and actually has a variety of cultural perspectives and experiences from which to draw upon to start bringing Americans together (Obama is a closet anti-white racist and/or Muslim who is secretly trying to get into office to enact the Black and/or Muslim Agenda), etc...
3.Distraction. For the LOVE of GOD, we had better get the public’s attention off
a) The 5th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, the nearly 4000 dead American soldiers, deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc..,
b)the fact that the presumptive Republican Nominee doesn’t know enough about the Middle East to keep Sunni and Shia straight. Hint to McCain: There is no Frickin’ way that Iran, a predominantly SHIA population would help Al Qaeda – a SUNNI / Wahhabist extremist group. Although some experts have speculated that some Shia militia groups may eventually (temporarily) unite with some Sunni tribal groups to fight their “common enemy” (the US) and get them out.
c)The fact that Bush Jr.’s abysmal foreign policy has actually followed the Al Qaeda playbook perfectly by getting the US mired in a long-term military quagmire, which, by the way, the Presumptive Republican Nominee seems to want to continue indefinitely.
d) The economy – Spiraling deficit, record trade deficit, inflationary pressure, loss of jobs, etc…
No. By all means, let’s continue the debate on Obama and his Pastor.
Who cares what Joe Schmo says?
el matador, the fighting chicken @ 2:
i NO! El Matador..segundo!
joe scarborough is a dick.
I guess Joe missed that part where Obama said he wouldn't disown his grandmother. Why does the "Liberal" media keep hiring right-wing propagandists?
Joe, she was old and a drain on society. Sacrificed for the common good. What's worse, somebody saying you threw your grandmother under the bus, or finding dead females in YOUR office?
Samson- @ 5:
Indeed...a republican politician who had a dead woman in his office.
I have stopped watching MSNBC because of Joe Scarborough. He is ignorant, childish, and dangerous. He actually thinks he knows something. He makes me sick the way he treats people. Mika doesn't even try to stand up to him and she ends up looking pathetic. She usually tries to say something then he goes after her and she just gives in.
The only times I have found it pleasant to watch him was when Keith Olbermann put him in his place during election coverage one evening and when I saw Rachel Maddow tell him off once. Why MSNBC puts up with him is beyond me. I am all for free speech, but I don't have to listen to it.
anyone who would actually THINK, much less say, that barack obama threw his gramma "under the bus" is way past any energy it would take to convince otherwise...
i'm sorry... and maybe another day i'll be more inclined to educate such an oaf, but not at this time...
It was a despicable moment from Obama.
You don't need to be a Republican to see it. Not only that, Obama lied. According to Obama's autobiography, there was ONE large aggressive panhandler his grandmother feared, who happened to be black. There was no pattern of racism.
HIS family had the slaveowner roots, btw, and HIS father was the lying polygamist.
By the way, why didn't Obama mention how he avoided the other black kid when he was in grade school?
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 13:
Yes, but she wasn't thrown under a bus, so, there's the difference I guess in the Republican world of non-reality.
Joe has yellow dirt on his soul.
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 10:
Ole'
liberalHUSSEINmoderation @ 13:
well, to be fair to the squinty-eyed-dolt, she was alive when she entered his office...
look race politics in this country is no longer just black and white. add brown to that mix. race is a hot button issue in america. just look at los angeles, many have accused our mayor of only helping latinos, while letting blacks to hang out to dry. race is huge and just can't be ignored. also for whitey that is mad at all miniorities for jobs, education, blame your politicans not your miniorities.
Shorter Barack Obama: After shouting "AMEN!!" from the pew for 22 years, I am rejecting Rev. Wright's words--now that they've become a liability. In spite of my own campaign's attempts to portray the Clintons as a pair of Klansmen, I'm also calling for the Racial Eternal Victim Card to be placed out-of-bounds for the moment--but as consolation, I am hereby publicly depicting my own grandmother as Archie Bunker. It's all very Christ-like of me.
...I'm going to bring CHANGE!
Talk about grasping for straws. Throwing her under the bus?! WTF?
Obama did a magnificent job with his speech. And he didn't throw his grandmother under the bus. Joe Scarborough is a very mean spirited republican who openly supports Hillary (just like Rush Limbaugh tells them to do) and every day is another outrage with him! I have written MSNBC numerous complaints about him -- and yet they discharge Tucker Carlson.
Scarborough should have been the first out the door.
ByeByeBarry @ 17:
Why didn't Hillary mention that her "experience" while being first lady was......
Caviar and salmon? My how that prepares you to be fully qualified for Prez.
Its funny but I actually thought the same exact thing when hearing the speech --- I am a democrat living in Philadelphia --- so I dont think it is a crazy repub reaction necessarilly --- I just thought that there are a thousand ways to deliver that speech without mentioning his g-mom --- I think it was cetainly bad taste for Obama to use his gmom to make a political point ---
That being said I thought the speech was good on the whole ---
Scarborough comes across as someone who often misses the point and this one is no exception. Joe is not exactly the brightest light shining on TV.
This is the sad Republican talking point. Obama spoke with great respect about his grandmother, a seemingly decent woman who happened to have race issues....like all of US! I thought it was so honest and the natural way Obama conveyed his feelings of her good and bad, I have never heard from a politician before.
I am a white, gun owning, deer hunting, latte drinking gay guy from colorado who makes a lot of money. Obama crosses all demographics. Scar is a moron.
Obama has my vote!!!!
A renowned psychiatrist on a nationally syndicated radio station - about 2-3 years ago now - said that one in five Americans were psychopaths.
That accounts for the numbers I guess. Some of them even get their own media forums to parade it to the rest of the world.
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Tony @ 30:
Ya, but are you a transvestite? Cuz I hear Hillary has the transvestite support. A RuPaul supporter said so.
Scarborough's a moron!
Tony @ 30:
Ahhhhh!! but he DOES NOT have the vote of grandmothers who have been thrown under the bus.
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Maybe Olbermann will give Scarborough a Worse Person nomination tonight.
[Okay- ALL OF YOU- the topic can be triangulated using these words: Obama, grandmother, Scarborough. Get back on that topic, please. Site Monitor]
Obama's grandmother threw Scarborough under a bus?!? Awesome.
Doyle @ 357:
Doyle, post whatever you've got about Rezko on the open thread.
Doyle @ 340:
Oh you great white massah who had in his infinitely merciful heart to work with the African American community... something that must have "certainly" given you "insta-ghetto pass" and which made you all knowledgeable of what the minorities in this country know, want, or have experienced. You sure ask/say really stupid shit about minorities...
By the way, here is Greenwald's take on Obama's speech.
The Dude @ 361:
Dude, eight year-olds.
[your done.........Site Monitor]
Old Billy Hussein @ 363:
the Dude shall not abide.
Old Billy Hussein @ 363:
Nobody fucks with the Jesus!
Radically Moderate @ 364:
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
The Dude @ 367:
That was just a play on words from that movie about "the Dude" who said "the Dude abides"
Innocent fun........nothing to see here, move along, move along.........
Radically Moderate @ 369:
the Big Lebowski
Radically Moderate @ 370:
SHUT UP, DONNY!I mean, I think The Dude is aware, seeing that his reply (Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.) is also a quote from the film. :^D
Radically Moderate @ 369:
Dude this and Dude that, you must be another one of those viagra poppin Osama supporters!
/end_troll_channel
Andy "George W. Bush has never been elected. The ‘Machine’ took it and gave it to him." K Jong Il @ 371:
OOPS! missed that one. I like your style Dude.
Old Billy Hussein @ 353:
My point exactly...polls are clear as mud (just look at NH polls vs. results). I know why Clinton wins in the GE. My feeling is that the poeple crave change. But by change I mean a return to a time when things made sense in this country and by that I mean the 90's under Clinton. Balanced budgets, a thriving economy etc... What do you point to?
Radically Moderate @ 373:
Thanks man... I just wanted my rug back.
The Dude @ 375:
oh fuck me, nihilist!
Joe is shedding light that the reality is that there tons of people out there who will misunderstand the point of Obama's speech.
Joe is telling us that there are numbskulls out there who voted for Bush that will for McCain because of this... and the sad truth........... it is true.
These numbskulls who are so calles swing voters and numbskulls and they are the ones who are easily scared away like soccer moms.
Educating the un-educated numbskulls is like hitting a brick wall. That is what Joe is talking about.
Reagan-Democrats? they are numbskulls
Let's pray that we get a good VP in 08'. If the last 8 years is any indication, this person will be one calling the shots...
Morning Joe is an atrocious morning show anyway. It's like those frat boy radio shows that drive me to plug in my iPod on the way to work.
Jack @ 374:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080319/ap_on_sc/nice_guys
Just kidding. Like I said, Obama is pulling in a lot of new voters to the primaries. If he's the nominee, I think the democratic machine (who I think is putting together votes for Clinton - labor, aldersmen, etc.) will channel all that behind Obama too. Simply put, I see Clinton supporters going for any democrat; whereas, I think a lot of the Obama supporters who are new to politics will tune out and stay home if Obama's not in the race. Of course, Obama can do a lot about that by campaigning for Hillary if she were the nominee.
the scar took the place of imus. apparently MSMBC decided they need another hack to take over that hour. Joe is an ass and this Mika is just another lady who was selected for her stupidity and because she knows how to suck up to a neocon. while i no longer watch the program, i was amazed when i first watched the makeup of the program. who in the fuck is going to take this willy guy serious? what a waste of time.
Joe usually sounds like a nice guy and tries his best to hide who he really is. This is one of those situations where the republican demon within lurched!!!
robyn williams @ 277:
Want some cheese to go with your whine??
The Scar just can't comprehend big words and adult language. Pathetic.
Radically Moderate @ 1:
Assuming that it is only Repugs who think that Obama is a hypocrite is exactly why McCain will be the next President, with the help of millions of Democratic voters support, if Obama is the Democratic candidate.
Obama is a hypocrite & a fraud with no experience or accomplishments, pretending to have moral integrity, just like G W Bush did in 2000.
His good judgements includes friends like Renzo & Rev. Wright - Against the war but voted numurous times to fund & continue it.
Look, this country is just too diverse for 100% of the people to agree on anything. I guarantee that Jesus wouldn't get anymore than 60% of the popular vote if he came back and ran for President.
With that being said, Obama and his supporters have to face reality that he probably won't be able to make many inroads with blue collar white men just like Republicans can't make many inroads with Black people. Going into the general election, he's going to have to put other states into play to get around losing Pennsylvania and Ohio.
In his Obama way, he has to make the case that these blue collar white men that oppose him because of Wright will have two choices:
1. Voting for a very intelligent, capable and competent leader who happens to be Black.
2. Voting for a third term of the Bush administration.
If they want to vote against their best interests because of race, then that will say a lot about America to Americans and the rest of the world about how TRULY far this country has really come. It'd be wrong for Obama to compromise his values and beliefs in order to earn the vote of ignorants.
My understanding is that "throwing someone under the bus" means you denounce what that someone did or said as well as make it clear that you have removed that person from the capacity in which he or she functioned. Obama did not do that to his grandmother; he did just the opposite: he said she occasionally did and said things that hurt him but that he continued to love her and accept her as his grandmother. Morning Joe is simply lying. Flood his network & program with e-mails demanding a retraction.
Wow, Joe must have an IQ of almost 50.
He is giving voice to a healthier view on race relations that needs to be embraced from a stage where it’s hard to argue that it is not an issue worth tackling.
And that right there is why the America hating rethuglican scum attack him on this.
"Morning Joe: Scar Says Obama Threw His Grandmother Under The Bus"
I saw trolls on that thread yesterday say the same...The RNC 'Instant Meme'
Fucking Arseholes. Can't say fairer than that.
Terrible Hussein @ 388:
You think it's that high?
I know it was not intended, however it happened anyhow and I like to thank you all for the impact your evil ways has bestowed on this nation after all.
I like to be the first to say thank all of you for all that you did to make sure that Senator Barack Obama, will be the next President of the United States.
I know how thrilled you folks are at the prospect of having so much input in this process that has American people all over the world, even those who had some miss givings , but have now got the opportunity to see exactly what they all have been looking for in a President, who will be truly be ready on day one, as he is now to take the rains of control and lead this country as it has never been lead before.
Now don't all of you think it is about time that you start licking your wounds from the ass kicking Senator Obama has bestowed on all of you?. And again it was not intended, but just happen to find it's way into the barrage of hate filled commentary, you all attempted to bestow on him for no other reason, then your raciest, bigot, arrogant attitudes and your need to continue to carry out the hopes and dreams of the six ass holes that drop a few bucks in all of your pockets to do the damage all of you have been contributors and accessories, to.
Many of you bastards need to start packing your bags, like the little bow tie wearing weasels, better known as Tucker Carlson has had to do, along with the other freak big John from the Fox News gang.
We expect to see many high class exits, getting the hell out of jobs in media, to which none of you have any business in, in the first place and that includes Lou Dobbs, Wolf Blitzer, Chris Mathews, Bill O'Riley, Sharun Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and especially your water carriers, like Juan Williams and the many so called right wing black idiots, that seem to think as they sit in your nasty ass faces, while you humiliate and demoralize people of color, that you are not also referring to them.
Yes, fellas Senator Obama certainly did address the important issues we wanted addressed and to your dissatisfaction, the majority of us do believe in and trust him, to most of your discuss.
It is clear that you all intended for a very different outcome, that just did not surface for you. So you all know exactly what you can do with your U-Tube Video and on your way, to doing just that, you can drop off a few of them at the Hillary camp, for her and her gang of right wing losers, to do the same and then you can all just go to hell.
God just don't like ugly
This expression "Thrown his grandmother under the bus" is being used by wingnuts all over the net.
Now Joe S. is using it too.
Who started it? And why can't they think for themselves?
Morning Joe. You need to shift your commentary to something more productive for American people.
You should know that you and all the rest of your right wing junkies, are running out of cheap jibs to swing at Senator Obama, who has proven to be so much more, brighter then any of you would ever hope to be.
You need to admit that all of you fools are just way off base, when you start trying to chop on a man of his caliber.
Even Amey Holmes has simmered down, with her right wing antics, because even she is aware that republicans are just out of their league in this day and time.
You all had your opportunity to run this country and you did just that, by running it right into the ground.
And yes Hillary and all of you and the cheap tricks that control the electoral process, along with the freshly tampered with voting machines, will most likely squeak out a win, in Philadelphia. We have come to know you all so well. You did it to us in Ohio and Texas and we all understand the desperation that has set in, which is why we are not going to allow any of your cheap ticks in Florida or Michigan. We are not completely stupid to allow some private company that has poured money into Hillary's campaign war chest to purchase a new election in those states. Obama would be a fool and at this stage of the game. You have to know he is not.
They all knew exactly what they were doing, when Hillary took her lying ass down there and prostituted for votes, while she mislead the American people and the Democratic Party. We have her ass on video.
You need to stick with hammering all over that fool you all jumped behind and stashed in the White House, better known as George W Bush, who is so much closer to your class.
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Trittydi @ 34:
Or politicians with dead women in their offices
This is obviously a right wing talking point because I heard callers on C-SPAN this morning with the same mock outrage and using the same phrase - 'throwing his grandmother under the bus'.
Being liberal means that not everything has to be about "you." I'm a middle class white male and after reading a few paragraphs of Obama's speech I was very excited by what he said, and I instantly knew the power of what he spoke, before I read any media reactions to it. It re-affirmed that this is a man I want to lead our country.
I've never witnessed the flow of crap through a sewage pipe but it must surely resemble the stream of information pumped through the television sets of today.
Listen, we need to stop bickering about Barrack and Hillary. We're the good guys remember! Mr. Scarborough loves it when we talk trash about our own, because we're giving George W. McCain a free ride to the White House. Don't let them outsmart us again. We need to work our butts off getting either Obama or Clinton in the White House. I don't care which one it is, because either one will be a heck of a lot better than a republican that has to have Joe Lieberman tell him who is and isn't in Iran.
This is kind of true, why in the world would he bring her into this?? Is she still alive?
ByeByeBarry @ 17:
Buzz off, Hillary!
In response to #17
Are you insane? I'm sure you know so much more about Obama's life then he does right? Because you read his book!? Get back on the wagon.
Apparently Joe does NOT underestimate the intelligence of his audience.
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Don't expect the silly putty pundits like Scarborough and the half-baked donuts like Buchanan to get anything that Obama says because Obama speaks the "truth" and they can't handle the truth.
Happenstance @ 23:
Wow, you must be one of them "compassionate" conservatives.
Black people had to endure centuries of abuse, but those very Christian white people have to endure a 5sec clip of an uppity black person... and all of the sudden them WASPs get to frame what the racial discourse in this country should be by getting their panties in a collective twist.
chris @ 41:
Tekras @ 37:
Go away troll!
We won't win over the dumbasses. They are the 29%ers.
I guess Obama grandmother did throw little Barak under the bus.
Joe is the type of racist who believe they aren't. Clueless.