Why should I believe anything will come of this?

And DiGenova was the one who swept the Clinton investigation under the rug. Just like Condi will do with this one. Watch.

its time for anyone who is anti-Obama to turn off the 'game' and recognize this for what it is - absolute monstrous incompetence and a horrible breach of privacy. it was bad when it happened to Clinton and Perot, and its bad now, ESPECIALLY since they never told Obama...

looking at the files AT ALL is an invasion of privacy. We MUST know who did this and why they did it, and why they were "curious" - each of these breaches came directly after a major event, and this has happened on multiple occasions.

There MUST be an investigation of this monumental incompetence.

"Heckuva job, Condi!"

"The State Department is saying that Secretary of State, Condi Rice, is saying that she only learned of the breaches yesterday..."

This is exactly how all of Bush administration appointees get away with this bullshit. Put her on the stand and we'll here more of the same. Trouble is, she might be telling the truth.

I don't expect for a minute that if we put George W. Bush on the stand that he would honestly be able to answer a god damn thing about what's going on. The guy is there for face time and signing statements. This is how it works.

Gonzalez? He supposedly knew nothing either.

I'll bet if anything does come of this it will be some low level people in their early thirties who graduated from some Bible Belt college no one has ever heard of to take the fall. And they won't know anything, natch.

It's the no-nothing bureaucratic smokescreen. And it's planned to be that way.

its not surprising or stunning to think they would do this, but to KNOW, Karen, is a wake up call.

with all the Democratic infighting and media fighting, this is a punch in the face - a reminder all Democrats should respond to of exactly who we are fighting and why regardless of who the nominee was, we must unite behind him/her and prevent more Republican thuggery and abuse of power such as this.

i am seeing (and this certainly is not all by any stretch by some) Hillary supporters such as Larry Johnson saying this is 'no big deal'

What the hell is wrong with these people? has the Dem party become so divided we cant be collectively outraged at something so justifiably monstrous?

Goon @ 13:

i am seeing (and this certainly is not all by any stretch by some) Hillary supporters such as Larry Johnson saying this is 'no big deal'

What the hell is wrong with these people? has the Dem party become so divided we cant be collectively outraged at something so justifiably monstrous?

Yes, weren't the comments of Larry Johnson too too dismissive when he doesn't know a fuck about what went on anymore than the rest of us?

naschkatzeHussein @ 15:

Goon @ 13:

i am seeing (and this certainly is not all by any stretch by some) Hillary supporters such as Larry Johnson saying this is 'no big deal'

What the hell is wrong with these people? has the Dem party become so divided we cant be collectively outraged at something so justifiably monstrous?

Yes, weren't the comments of Larry Johnson too too dismissive when he doesn't know a fuck about what went on anymore than the rest of us?

I dont know anymore, sir or maam, I just dont know... for all we know whoever did it contributed to the Hillary campaign and he's just trying to play it safe.... I guess its understandable THAT way... even if it wasnt the way the Rethugs are they could frame her campaign for it, I wouldnt put it past them.

Regardless what we should all know is to not trust any denial from the Bush side without actual proof.

I was watching Dan Abrahms until the kids took over the TV. Tucker's comments were laughable. If this were an Democratic adminastration, Tucker and his ilk would be screaming bloody murder. Unbeleivable!

I've noticed a lot lately that MSNBC continuously scoops CNN by a long shot which was the case tonight. Wonder why.

** One comment sure to be heard in Washington tonight from a certain Karl Rove, "Oh shit---we got caught."

** TV ad copy for the Fall:

"If the Republicans, without shame, invade the privacy of a candidate for President, do you think they will hesitate to violate YOUR privacy and your private records? Haven't we had enough of the destruction of our most basic liberties. Senator McCain thinks that the Patriot Act and other violations of your basic liberties are just fine. What do you think?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Krongard

I wonder why Obama's breach was not properly--much less rigorously--investigated???

Too busy with BLACKWATER??

"Democrat Opens Inquiry Into Whether State Dept. Official Impeded Investigations"
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/19/washington/19inspector.html?ex=1347940800&en=59defced6c624bd2&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink|

I can just imagine how an investigation into this would play out.
Refusals to testify followed by a parade of smug and shameless memory challenged witnesses.
At least it should help detract from the Pastor Wright Hates America and White Babies story for a few news cycles...

Toes @ 22:

** One comment sure to be heard in Washington tonight from a certain Karl Rove, "Oh shit---we got caught."

** TV ad copy for the Fall:

"If the Republicans, without shame, invade the privacy of a candidate for President, do you think they will hesitate to violate YOUR privacy and your private records? Haven't we had enough of the destruction of our most basic liberties. Senator McCain thinks that the Patriot Act and other violations of your basic liberties are just fine. What do you think?"

I think this is not even an issue that will move Wright Gate off the front pages. What could possibly be in these records that have not been released already? Hopefully nothing

Richard Clark said what?

9/11-commission: Ben Veniste grills Rice on PDB Aug 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7fQcQdMoxo&feature=related

Karen @ 6:

Why is any of this "stunning" or "incomprehensible?" Honestly, if someone were to have asked me, prior to this story's breaking, whether I thought the State Department was so mismanaged and corrupt that folks there were snooping through Obama's private passport records for some insidious purpose, I would have said, "Yeah."

No shit at this point I think we can say it's "Business as Usual"

What I posted above is not a 9/11 invitation for ranting. It shows Condi's blatent ineptitude.

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi should show some leadership and fully investigate this outrage. Hopefully this will finally give them the motivation and courage to impeach this extremely corrupt administration.

What communist country monitors their citizens phone calls, tortures prisoners and controls the media?

Bush's Amerika.

Now he sends his cronies to snoop through Obama's personal files.

But in Bush's Amerika, the prez is above the law. He is a law unto himself, and fuck anybody getting in his way.

after a couple of days, the gop will spin this into needing to know which months obama was in afghanistan getting his al quaida training. i'll bet the msm will have a gop pundit actually saying something like this.

jdw @ 38:

What communist country monitors their citizens phone calls, tortures prisoners and controls the media?

Bush's Amerika.

Now he sends his cronies to snoop through Obama's personal files.

But in Bush's Amerika, the prez is above the law. He is a law unto himself, and fuck anybody getting in his way.

Sounds more like Nazis.

sick of it @ 34:

What I posted above is not a 9/11 invitation for ranting. It shows Condi's blatent ineptitude.

I'm not trying to rant with the following:

As long as people feel they were lied to, and there was no real investigation not to mention not a single firing...oh, wait...Bill Maher got fired.

It's hard not to rant when I think of what has been done to us and that people feel it's OK to silence those who would demand real answers. Or at least to look at the facts.

But then again this nation has always buried it's collective head in the sand when confronted with real issues like Racial Equality or Ethics or Political Fraud.

Goon @ 23:

Matt Hussein in Texas @ 19:

Ya know, as despicably illegal as it is, why can't Dems play hardball and say, "OK, once WE get into the White House, we're gonna use the same tactics you Repigs have, and we're gonna ROYALLY fuck you all over!! Illegal wiretaps, spying, passport prying - we're gonna screw you all over for the next 50 years, only to benefit the American public and bring accountability back into the political process. Do we need to threaten these fuckers to preserve our American ideals? Is that hypocrisy?

Yes, I know we need to be above that and adhere to the rule of law, BUT are the ends worth the means? Is the threat of digging up crap on Repigs worth tarnishing the ideal of being above the corruption and crap?

I'm very conflicted on this. Thoughts?

Matt, remember Sandy Berger? He did some stupid shit and stuffed papers down his clothes. I remember defending him thinking a Dem would never do such a thing, then was embarrassed when it was found he actually did it. No, I don't feel like committing to the Republican playbook. I don't know if souls exist, but if they do I'm not going to risk it in order to slime Rep. Whitey McReligiongood from West Virginia.

Yeah, you're probably right. It's just hard sometimes to be altruistic when you've been screwed so bad like we've been by the Bush administration. Guess that's what should distinguish us from the Repigs.

Thanks for your comments.

CBS reports the State Department has "nipped in the bud."

WTF!?

The State Department needs to be nipped in the bud.
With all the compartmentalization, The unchecked Security Clearances, and FUCKING HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR!

19 per cent @ 1:

Why should I believe anything will come of this?

Exactly! All Condi Liar Rat and the rest of the Bush criminal cabal will say is, "so"?

And the Democratic leadership will scatter like lil biotches!

Matt Hussein in Texas @ 19:

Ya know, as despicably illegal as it is, why can't Dems play hardball and say, "OK, once WE get into the White House, we're gonna use the same tactics you Repigs have, and we're gonna ROYALLY fuck you all over!! Illegal wiretaps, spying, passport prying - we're gonna screw you all over for the next 50 years, only to benefit the American public and bring accountability back into the political process. Do we need to threaten these fuckers to preserve our American ideals? Is that hypocrisy?

Yes, I know we need to be above that and adhere to the rule of law, BUT are the ends worth the means? Is the threat of digging up crap on Repigs worth tarnishing the ideal of being above the corruption and crap?

I'm very conflicted on this. Thoughts?

Once we regain the White House we're gonna round you all up at 3 a.m. in the morning and water board your asses.
We're gonna fire Rush Limbaugh.Out of a cannon.Dick Cheney and Bush will be hooked up to lie detectors on Live TV-maybe Fox? and forced to answer actual questions posed by Helen Thomas.

What happens now? Is this going to be stuffed on page 6 in every newspaper? Everytime I get my hopes up, the status qou always fails me.

Roket @ 51:

Please note that if this happened to Joe Schmoe, nothing would become of it. But, we’re talking about a sitting United States Senator here, who also happens to be running for President. This breach of security should have each and every Senator, whether they are Democrat or Republican, totally and absolutely outraged. If the Republicans don’t step up to the plate this time, then that would constitute irrefutable proof that they place Party before Country and also make them traitors to their oath of office. Not to mention, open themselves wide for the next Democratic Administration. May a thousand fleas infest their broke-back camel.

its true. but considering Obama has Secret Service protection and you don't - that he never heard until now about this is damning as all hell.

by the way, an unsubstantial Clinton connection has been unveiled in regards to this issue - apparently someone made an ambassador by Bill Clinton who resigned between the 2nd and 3rd breach... it would be wrong to push any accusation more than this until more is known...

I really hope this doesnt point back to the Democrats. I demand we find out either way, however goddamn it if the Dems screw themselves.

John Hussein Smith @ 36:

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi should show some leadership and fully investigate this outrage. Hopefully this will finally give them the motivation and courage to impeach this extremely corrupt administration.

The test will be how long this story has legs. If it drops out of sight, all of you activists out there need to keep bringing it to the forefront.

The United States of America has blatently lied about Iraq's non-possession of WMDs to use our military and public tax dollars to illegally drop bombs, invade and occupy Iraq and also get away with blatant lying concerning documented torture as seen in Abu-Graib...what is so shocking about this?

Wire-tapping and invasion of privacy seems to go along with the territory.

LA, you are right. McCain seems absent from the media's coverage. Could it be that Big Business wants the Democrats to lose?

diGenova is outraged by the news of this compromise, and he’s known for being a partisan hack who believes he was a victim of the White House slander machine during the Clinton administration

Which leads me to believe this is a setup. It will turn out to be something completely different from what it looks like. I know, call me crazy. But it's too pat; all the pieces fell into place all at once, and all these "outraged" people were ready to get on the phones and go live on TV immediately. It seems too planned to me.

Ron @ 42:

jdw @ 38:

What communist country monitors their citizens phone calls, tortures prisoners and controls the media?

Bush's Amerika.

Now he sends his cronies to snoop through Obama's personal files.

But in Bush's Amerika, the prez is above the law. He is a law unto himself, and fuck anybody getting in his way.

Sounds more like Nazis.

Please don't mix the allusions.

Fascists they are, fascists they will likely stay.

I want my country back. I want our privacy respected. I want Habeas Corpus reinstated. I want torture ended. I want us to withdraw our troops from Iraq while we rebuild their country, which we devastated. I want fair elections at home as well as abroad. I want this criminal administration, investigated, charged, tried, and if found guilty-incarcerated. I want the Constitution upheld. I want elected politicians free from government spying and blackmail.

Is this really a wish list that i am to believe unatainable in America in the twenty first century?

Fascism

An interview with Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright, from Feb. 7th, 2007. A full year ago, and very very interesting in light of all the recent controversy. He acknowledges that he holds views that may turn off some voters that Obama might need, such as the Jewish-Americans, because of his opinion that U.S. policies toward Palestinians should change. He says that he even warned Obama of all this!! I wonder why Obama stuck with him?

And I wonder why no one, not a single news outlet, has sought to interview Wright to get his side of the story. Or do a story on what the day to day services at the church were like, not 30 second sound bites of the most inflammatory parts. I think this man is not the person that the media is painting him out to be.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week1028/interview.html

The term fascismo was coined by the Italian Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini and Hegelian philosopher Giovanni Gentile.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
-Benito Mussolini

P.D. @ 60:

LA, you are right. McCain seems absent from the media's coverage. Could it be that Big Business wants the Democrats to lose?

It would certainly end Corporate Welfare as we've come to know it.

naschkatze Hussein @ 73:

People are writing on the thread at HuffPo that the supervisor responsible for not reporting these breaches to her superior, Patrick Kennedy, is one Maura Harding, former ambassador to Paraguay under Bill Clinton. She is saying it was not her "assessment" to pass the information along.

Ahhhh figured Clinton would come up. Bush Co and Richard Mellon Scaife had nothing to do with it no doubt.

Goon @ 56:

Roket @ 51:

Please note that if this happened to Joe Schmoe, nothing would become of it. But, we’re talking about a sitting United States Senator here, who also happens to be running for President. This breach of security should have each and every Senator, whether they are Democrat or Republican, totally and absolutely outraged. If the Republicans don’t step up to the plate this time, then that would constitute irrefutable proof that they place Party before Country and also make them traitors to their oath of office. Not to mention, open themselves wide for the next Democratic Administration. May a thousand fleas infest their broke-back camel.

its true. but considering Obama has Secret Service protection and you don't - that he never heard until now about this is damning as all hell.

by the way, an unsubstantial Clinton connection has been unveiled in regards to this issue - apparently someone made an ambassador by Bill Clinton who resigned between the 2nd and 3rd breach... it would be wrong to push any accusation more than this until more is known...

I really hope this doesnt point back to the Democrats. I demand we find out either way, however goddamn it if the Dems screw themselves.

Allow me to correct you. "I really hope this doesn't point back to CLINTON." There, fixed it. If it does point back to Clinton, then she's out of the race. Mkay.

Roket @ 78:

Goon @ 56:

Roket @ 51:

Please note that if this happened to Joe Schmoe, nothing would become of it. But, we’re talking about a sitting United States Senator here, who also happens to be running for President. This breach of security should have each and every Senator, whether they are Democrat or Republican, totally and absolutely outraged. If the Republicans don’t step up to the plate this time, then that would constitute irrefutable proof that they place Party before Country and also make them traitors to their oath of office. Not to mention, open themselves wide for the next Democratic Administration. May a thousand fleas infest their broke-back camel.

its true. but considering Obama has Secret Service protection and you don't - that he never heard until now about this is damning as all hell.

by the way, an unsubstantial Clinton connection has been unveiled in regards to this issue - apparently someone made an ambassador by Bill Clinton who resigned between the 2nd and 3rd breach... it would be wrong to push any accusation more than this until more is known...

I really hope this doesnt point back to the Democrats. I demand we find out either way, however goddamn it if the Dems screw themselves.

Allow me to correct you. "I really hope this doesn't point back to CLINTON." There, fixed it. If it does point back to Clinton, then she's out of the race. Mkay.

I'm just trying to be fair to Hillary... but so far if its true that Maura Hardy/Harty/Harding? chose not to report this then there is trouble...

last second edit: I understand this woman is a 'lifer' politician who has Reagan and Bush I ties as well, so things could be okay...

Watergate II.

I think everyone needs to know this:

what is in a passport record:

The passport records system includes the following categories of records:

Passport books and passport cards, applications for passport books and passport cards, and applications for additional visa pages, amendments, extensions, replacements, and/or renewals of passport books or cards (including all information and materials submitted as part of or with all such applications);

Applications for registration at American Diplomatic and Consular Posts as U.S. citizens or for issuance of Cards of Identity and Registration as U.S. Citizens;

Consular Reports of Birth Abroad of United States citizens;

Certificates of Witness to Marriage;

Certificates of Loss of United States Nationality;

Oaths of Repatriation;

Consular Certificates of Repatriation;

Reports of Death of an American Citizen Abroad;

Cards of Identity and Registration as U.S. citizens;

Lookout files which identify those persons whose
applications for a consular or related service require other than
routine examination or action; and

Miscellaneous materials, which are documents and/or
records maintained separately, if not in the application, including but
not limited to the following types of documents:

[cir] Investigatory reports compiled in connection with granting or
denying passport and related services or prosecuting violations of
passport criminal statutes;

[cir] Transcripts and opinions on administrative hearings, appeals
and civil