CNN's AC360: Bay Buchanan Dismisses McCain's Al Qaeda/Iran Confusion As A Mistake Anyone Could Make
By Nicole Belle Friday Mar 21, 2008 8:00pm
On Anderson Cooper 360, guest host John King asks Bay Buchanan whether John McCain's "gaffes" confusing the connection between Iran and al Qaeda was going to hurt McCain. Buchanan thinks that the mistake is one anybody could make and ultimately won't affect McCain's chances in the general election.
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KING: Bay, you heard McCain. He messed up the Shia thing, the Shia/Sunni, Iran training Sunni al Qaeda, which is not true. A successful trip? A gaffe that hurts him?
BUCHANAN: I don't think the gaffe hurts him at all in the long run. It was something that -- you know, you can almost see anyone could make that mistake. He's very, very knowledgeable, John, as you know, in foreign policy. He's got a reputation. And so I don't think he's hurt on that.
I'll tell you, though, he is going to have to come back to this country. He had a good week, thanks to the Democrats, I must say. But he's had a really good week, and I think he comes back but he's got to start focusing on the economy. If he doesn't shore himself up on that, he could be in trouble in November.
*Sigh* First of all, stop with the "gaffe" framing. Once is a gaffe. Three times in two days AFTER being corrected either means you are congenitally stupid or intentionally deceptive. Either way, it's far more malevolent than a mere "gaffe."
And sadly, Bay, I have to agree that the average American would probably make the same mistake McCain did (at least, the first time). After three decades of working towards the Republican goal of systematically dumbing down of the electorate by cutting funding towards education, turning news into infotainment and continually muddying up the national dialogue with factoids that bear little relationship to truth, most Americans can't even point to Iraq on a map, much less understand the difference between Sunnis and Shi'a.
However, the office of the President should not be occupied by someone that falls on the low end of the bell curve of understanding. For someone who has built his entire campaign around claiming to be the only one who understands the radical Islamic threat, it seriously detracts from your credibility when you DON'T understand the Islamic threat. (Hello? Media? It's your job to point that out. I don't think there are BBQ ribs delicious enough to sell your credibility for too.) It's bad enough that Bush didn't understand the difference between Sunni and Shi'a before launching the invasion, does McSame really have to embrace ALL of Bush's policies (and complete willful ignorance) too?
Full transcripts available through CNN.com
Bay Buchanan spoke of John McCain needing to get a handle on the economy (yet another low end of the bell curve for Grampa McC), and the Campaign for America's Future put together this little video to show how well McCain was received in France at the end of his trip:
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Now let's pretend Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama had made the mistake again.
Wingnut pundits in unison would be declaring "And there's Exhibit A why Democrats cannot be trusted with prosecuting the War on Terror."
Sorry, strike out the "again" part!
She should have said any "republican" candidate can make. Seems they haven't had the complete picture of what is going on in the middle east since they got in power.
Bush sure as hell didn't have a clue, and now we have McBush who also doesn't.
mcCaiNN
He looks like he really is lost in a fog and not in any way imaginable able to run a country because he'd have to have a host of puppets nibbling in his ear the right phrases.
CNN's chief national McCain[deleted] isn't enough to cover for McCain's alzheimer induced misstatements on his tax payer funded capaign raiser with the terrorist muslims monarchical Saudis and the ethnic cleansing apartheid Israelites.....nope....you have to bring in neoKKKon ditz and neo-fascist criminal whitehouse proponent Bay Buchanan.
looks like it's working....Kyra Philips is already perpetuating the lies
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A mistake any senile moron would make.
Better than Reagan, McCain will have Altzheimer's before he wins the election.
The average American might make the same mistake because they have been subjected to a years long campaign to make them think so.
McCain does not have the slightest confusion on this subject. He keeps reiterating this point because it is a continuing part of Republican strategy to convince American voters that all Muslims are part of one gigantic malevolent conspiracy to come over here and kill us all in our beds. It is the only argument they have left, and they aren't going to give it up easily.
I reiterate, McCain is not confused. Like all Republicans, he is a liar.
Gaffe my ass. McSame, Bush, and Cheney have been telling the Al Qaeda in Iran getting training lie so often and for so long they probably believe it themselves by now. Anything to get that oil.
As proof it's not a gaffe, he's said it many other times. Usually gaffes are a one time thing.
I love it when Libs. stick to the facts instead of personal insults that prove nothing.
Someone tell Iran that it is helping a Sunni group (Hamas). They are not supposed to do that.
For the Record. Just in case it becomes evidence.
President Bush Talks To Radio Farda about Iran
http://www.payvand.com/news/08/mar/1231.html
Oh Baye, Ever since your golden boy Romney bailed out I see you everywhere. It must be nice to get paid all that money to spout out all that Bullshit.
This is Pat Buchanan's equally nutty sister. Now she is with McCain? She was a big Romney cheerleader.
Bay is as wacky as her brother--but it is a tossup as to who the craziest of the 2 are.
Speaking about the economy, I'm interested in hearing how McCain plans on paying for his 100 year war. 2nd, since the Iraq war was planned as a 6 month cakewalk, now that we're bogged down, how doe McCain plan to accomplish military readiness for a contingency on another front without instituting the draft.
Since McCain repeated the assertion 3 times, either he doesn't have his story straight, or he is misleading the public. But, this is the same public that has apparently been misled by Bush and the media about Iraq associated with Al Qeada for 5 years now.
I think they're going to try to get this bombing in Iran in before the end of Bush's term, and McCain is recycling standard Neocon talking points that would be used with any target country. Incidentally, it seems to me that a case could be made, using the same logic, for bombing Florida, since Al Qaeda operatives were training there prior to the 911 attacks. I am not aware of any Al Qaeda operations or training in Iran. So, maybe we need to bomb Florida first, and then Iran.
In all fairness wasn't it reported that Mc Cain went with Airbus due to corrupt influential practices Boeing was using to influence the US government? On the other hand, ask the Fed Ex Corporation how those Airbus orders of a couple of years ago worked out for them. (They had to cancel the orders because the wiring of the planes was so complicated Airbus couldn't complete the orders in the specified time without major problems.)
Shhhh we cant say jack about any religion for fear of backlash or the vaticatian vendetta!!!!!
We should all just shut up and let powder boy and his helpers blabber away .
And where is Mr.copper? Andy come back to the your regular spot. Between glen beck and john CBS NEWS former,, the news on cnn internationl plain sucks.
Ok its my time to bid you all a fine good eveing and a good night and have a peacefull easter and passover.
Talk to you kind folks tomorow, untill then,, danke again for allowing me voice my opinion here and actually have a non hate time doing so.
Best regards,,
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The Bar has been
Lowered
over the past 7+ years.
It's a damn shame to have that much money spent on professional makeover and still come away looking like...well...Bay Buchanan with a desperate attempt at a make over.
Nothing against the professionals who tried to work her mind you. They did the best with what they had to work with.
Just before the War On Iraq began, polls showed something like 74% of American adults favored the War.
At the same time a poll was released showing only something like 26% of American High School Graduates could find Iraq on a map.
(hmmm .. 74% + 26% = 100%)
It made me wonder - was it those few of us who knew enough to actually find Iraq on a map who had the sense to know it was a STUPID IDEA to invade?
Bay was right. Never having a chance to win in the first place, any gaff is meaningless.
Tips to Nicolle Bell. I continue to ask myself how MSM can justify Bay and Pat Buchanan as analysts. We know what they will say before they say it. Their diatribes are always anti-Democrat and pro-Republican. It's old stuff from tired, old people.
Remember after Hurricane Katrina when she was on the Sitation Room and said to Begala. " Lets not point fingers." What a skank.
Are we to ignore or dismiss misspeaks? What if he is in negotiations with other governments, does he need a Lieberman or similar to watch and listen to what he says? What if the phone rings at 3:00 AM and he tells whomever is calling to Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran and later say I misspoke? Do we need someone who is not 100% mentally alert as if we had no choices?
When is somebody going to play the senility card?
SHOCKING!!!
I’m trying to picture in my mind a debate between McSimple and Obama, especially about the economy. It makes me laugh every time I think about it.
PS: Did poor BayB lose her contacts (again) or is she trying to look like Buddy Holly on purpose?
*Sarcasm alert*
I see where Bay is going. I mean, how easy is it to confuse them. They are all unwashed heathens after all. It's just so confusing, much better for God to sort them all out, our job is to provide God the opportunity.
*end Sarcasm*
In the run up to November, I'd play this bone headed play, in the words of Rob Schneider in the 'Waterboy', "All Night Long!"
Bay's probably right. I doubt it will hurt him, but not for the reason that she gave. The American public doesn't get the Sunni/Shi'a thing either. To most people, it's all the same thing. Hey, they're all Muslims. What's the difference?
If it does hurt him, it's because Holy Joe had to lean over and whisper in his ear, making it obvious that he screwed up. Thanks, Lieberman.
Correction:
Our job is to have other people's kids provide God the opportunity to sort them all out.
My apologies for the obvious gaff.
Roket, I think she wants us to think she is just so damn smart. Shame is, when she opens her mouth, the whole look is a wash.
Ruthless "Don't Call Me at 3:00 AM" People @ 20:
Yeah, it would be like sending Michelle Malkin to singing lessons. Or Rush Limbaugh to rehab, or the gym for that matter.
Can someone tell me what qualifies Bay and Pat Buchanan to opinionate on anything? I mean look at their records. Nothing there impressive enough to warrant having them on television daily giving "their take" on things.
This is the part of US politics that is disgusting. Voters THINK they get rid of these type of trash, but oh no, they stick around for decades becoming "experts" on television, until someone they like is running again. Then they all come out of the woodwork and jump right back onboard. Look at the campaigns of all three candidates left. Who's behind the curtains? The same damn hacks that have been around forever. It's no wonder cynics don't openly support any of them.
It has been 5 years now and we are still trying to explain that there are Shia, Sunni, and Kurds in Iraq? We are still trying to make people understand that the Shia control Iran and Shia control Saudi Arabia, the Kurds want to split off the north into Kurdistan. Under Saddam Iraq was a Secular buffer between Saudi Arabia and Iran. Al Quada comes from the far right wing of Saudi Arabia's Shia. These three religious factions hate each other. Al Quada wouldn't even consider going any co operation with Iran. The only thing they have in common is they all hate the United States. This is not exactly Rocket Science.
Anyone need some assistance with their diet? This being a McCain thread I thought I'd post it here. If the production values are any indication of how team McCain would run the country be afraid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaP9eiWuX3s
The video is odd, considering that the planes are going to be built in Alabama, creating a few thousand jobs there. The Airbus/Northrop-Grumman design is better, cheaper, and fills the mission better. I think Boeing just assumed it was going to win with its "slap a fuel tank in a 767 frame" bid.
They could just be honest and say 'McInsane is a waste of space, vote Obama for sanity and a future'
I'm really getting sick of the French-bashing, no matter who does it.
You know darn well that she doesn't know her Sunnis from her Shiites, either.
You like Sunni and I like Shia,
You like Iraqi and I like Irani;
Sunni, Shia, Iraqi, Irani!
Let's call the whole war off!
(with apologies to Ira)
you know mcNO-IQ is just another member of the gop
christian reichwingneocon bastards. no can't dumb-down
this group any more than they are now.
it's like asking questions of road-kill and expecting an answer.
it just ain't gonna happen any time ever.............
tanglewood @ 15:
and just what makes her qualified? because of her brother's resume?
seriously, what?
I don't have cable and CNN and don't watch evening and nightly news on TV but who is that feminine
looking girly man with the make-up and eyeliner
in the picture?
My grandfather repeatedly says the same things wrong. He also pees on himself and falls asleep in the middle of his own conversations. McCain 08. Aaahahahahahahahaha!!!
Bay Buchanan Dismisses McCain’s Al Qaeda/Iran Confusion As A Mistake Anyone Could Make
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She is right. I have the same problem with Dick Cheney and Josef Mengele.
Bay is so right. Its a mistake anyone could make - like converting from Catholicism to Mormonism.
Kind of off topic. Did the parents of this woman take one look at her at birth, and so "Good Grief......ok....let's name her something totally screwed up"........Where the heck did the nickname Bay come from??
Wouldn't it be nice if T.V. remotes came with "shock" buttons? Anytime some talking head says something that is pure B.S. , we simply press the button and the talker gets a little jolt. The more people that use the feature, the higher the voltage. Oh course, certain talkers would be BBQ by now .
any doubt who owns america? its the corporations!they own us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from the wiki:
Angela Marie "Bay" Buchanan (born December 23, 1948) served as Treasurer of the United States under President Ronald Reagan and was the youngest person to serve in this post when she became Treasurer at the age of 32. She held that post from March 17, 1981 to July 5, 1983. She is the sister of Patrick J. Buchanan and managed his three unsuccessful campaigns for President of the United States. After appearing regularly on CNN's news program "Inside Politics," she became a commentator for CNN's The Situation Room.
Bay Buchanan is president of The American Cause and her brother Pat is chairman. In 2007, during the immigration debate their opinions were widely discussed:
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In May 2006 Bay Buchanan was appointed chair of Team America PAC, a political action committee founded by Tom Tancredo.
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49 ConcernedCanuck Says:
Kind of off topic. Did the parents of this woman take one look at her at birth, and so “Good Grief……ok….let’s name her something totally screwed up”……..Where the heck did the nickname Bay come from??
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Some familys give their children family sir names, this might be the answer.
Families, often do this too. :)
God Dam America, it only takes three seconds to say it, but says a lot. Honestly, when another person political or other, other than Obama, would say they have not heard such talk from their most regarded mentor openly or privately for twenty years sends a message. Then turns around in a speech as Obama did, openly, say he, Obama, did hear such suggestions from a mentor, as his Reverend Wright near and dear Uncle. Perhaps, now Obama says, Reverend Wright did not say such things so vulgar, or, not that often, or that harsh, but Obama is willing to admit all the while changing his mind openly in a public speech. Here the critics and far experienced political persons and analysis predict his speech as the greatest thing that could happen.
America don’t you see what happening here, and how this man is treating your mind with slogan management “ Change We Can Believe In “ of course and Obama himself can change his mind and you all should believe in him. Obnoxiously, very, theocratic. And a crowd in the trance that believes Obama should be able to change his mind and you should believe in him. Absolutely driving the Democratic Party into a physiological mess that the Republicans and Mainstream Media is handily doing now. There are worse mental analogies ahead that will divide the country and it was meant to do so.
That simple change is what we all are to believe in ? Even if Obama lie’s in change for his own benefit and his goal, it is something to believe in ? To the average American not realizing, Obama, has been given some powerful tools from his Harvard education, and is abusing them. Obama is seemingly assiduously skilled in the art of contextual streaming giving obnoxious flip flopping that looks so smooth one finally figures they have been swindled by a master swindler. You know many of the family of Osama Bin Laden, or Osama himself was educated at Harvard. Be sure these Arabs have a plan to last eternity.
Now do you feel the deep penetrating theocratic problem America is facing. And Mainstream Media is avoiding all the controversy till perhaps Obama is chosen by the Democrats as a nominee, which will likely turn the dream ticket into a night mare. America seemingly trains our enemy, worse we fund them through the Bush and Company Bin laden connection. Then America is convinced to spread freedom when in real time American life and money is spreading an Islamic dogma.
Reminds me of the ten year old in total denial then switches to realizing he would get caught in a lie. But, here we are doing this debate with armies of first line Mainstream Media Journalist that are shifting and supporting between each other with skills that are savored from the ancient sophists honed in the art of convincing you that left is right, or left is wrong, liberal is nuts, conservative is the best, all very confusing and meant to be. All influence by Arab Petro-Dollars and Jewish fear.
Fear not, vote Hillary 2008.
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You know she is right the whole bush/chenny cabal have been making the same mistake since 2002!
She's just there for the face time and pay check.
Every time McCain's stupid old dusty ass makes one of these bone headed statements, I can't help thinking of Hillary's constant complimentary comments about this sorry tired fossil's experience.
zorro @ 55:
Now you sound like Sen dementia. Did you just wake up? Where did that come from?
You know she is right the whole bush/chenny cabal have been making the same mistake since 2002! Well they didn't make a mistake they just flat out lied.
But that is what republicans do lie cheat and steal!
The day K.O. has either one of the Buchanans on is the day I stop watching K.O.
She and her idiot brother are from hell. Lets' hope they go back soon. They have nothing to say to the rest of us.
To me McCain seems dumb as a box of rocks, yet he makes the same Iran/Qaida mistakes that Bush does.
But really, nothing BushCo does should be surprising. Simply ask yourself, what would a bunch of crooks do? And then watch it unfold just so.
Bay's excuse-making just highlights how pathetic the Republican's choice is this go-around.
When it comes to McSame, John King is like Tweety: he gets all wet.
Why do they even have Bay Buchanan on? What do they expect her to say? No matter how many times McInsane fucks up, she's gonna be right there to give him a pass. Same old shit. By the way, Bay, it's true, anybody could confuse Sunni and Shiite. McCain isn't "anybody" - he's the guy running for President of the United States. Jesus Christ, after 5 years of cheerleading this fucking war, you would think that by now, he would have a little better handle on the situation, no?
MISTAKE MY ASS! IF YOU THINK THAT ANYTHING YOU SEE ON YOUR TV IS SOME ASS WIPE MAKING A "MISTAKE", Jesus Christ people what's wrong with you all...? Watch A CNN anchor make the same "mistake"
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/22/cnns-kyra-phillips-pushes-the-i...
You corrupt media is trying to reinforce talking points for an IRAN invasion KYRA PHILLIPS is saying this shit...not some old political pathetic liar! I can guarantee you that your government is trying to pull a false flag terror event soon...when the so called media people start selling a lie BEFORE it happens you know that you just stepped in shit.
Your media was complicit in telling you the 9/11 lie...after the fact. Now they are doing the SET UP!...wake up.
Scott @ 66:
you are on it. we CAN expect this fucking adminstration to start another war before
bush is out of office. they will use
blackwatergreyraven to do the dirty workand take over this country's freedom. how many lies does it take to get the lazy American
asses up to fight for themselves. this whole country has turned into a reality show and
the deluded are winning.
i've made the same mistake at least twice, even threw in the muslim/persian/arab misconflation just to make myself look like an idiot
but i'm not running for president
McCain is a dangerous hack.
But the "grampa" business is insulting.
Ralph Nader is in his seventies, but is coherent and precise.
Age isn't the problem with McCain. It's his stupidity. He was just as stupid 10 years ago, but people in the media like Arianna Huffington were falling in love (to use her words about herself) with him.
Now everybody's in love with Obama. I find his politics highly suspect, at best. Should I refer to him in some way that generalizes his race, or his ears?
As I watched McCain and Liberman last week, it was like watching Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy, or Ron and Nancy Reagan in the later years. The guy needs a 24/7 health aide with him just like at old folks home. How many times does he have to get confused? In older people, confusion also incites anger which McCain seems to have trouble with already.
Bay Buchanan is Pat Buchanan in drag. Why do you think we never see them together?
Why do we have to continually see the Buchanan's. The racism and hatred is so thinly veiled that I think that david duke would be proud.
She knows too. The fix is in. The GOP is about to elect their 4th Babbling (controllable) Idiot in a row and their knowledge/stance/integrity is immaterial.
Of course this won't hurt John's chances..the media is ALREADY laying the groundwork for the fix. (McCain's magical rise in the polls anyone?)
We're fucked unless we can fuck the media and the pundits first.
God damn these fucking assholes. Damn them straight to hell.
well that would be fine if we wanted "anyone" to be president. I for one want some one extraordinary, and I do not think that describing obvious mistakes about our enemies as "well known" is indicative of presidential caliber.
Bay Buchanan has never looked more attractive. She gets better looking with age.
Here this discussion has been going on and nobody seems to have noticed that #36 has it all screwed up. Saudi is Sunni with a very small minority (about 5%) Shia. Saddam was Sunni but ran a secular government - to his credit.
Howard Kurtz recently made the same excuse for McCain.
"He’s very, very knowledgeable, John, as you know, in foreign policy. "
Is there any facts to back this claim up?
This speech on foreign policy he gave a year ago is the same old story. He keeps mixing Al Qaeda with Iran, confusing Shia and Sunni, confusing who the enemies are. Ignorance, arrogance, delusion, paranoia.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/14336/john_mccains_speech_on_foreign_poli...
McCain:
"They [the Deomcratic candidates] refuse to consider the consequences of defeat: an empowered Iran, a victorious al Qaeda, a terrorist safe haven, civil war, genocide, and a wider regional war."
The genocide is allready happening. Its Bush and McCain who threatens to widen the war to nearby regions. By removing Saddam the US automatically empowered Iran. A strenghtened Shia controlled Iraq supported by Iran would be bad news for al Qaeda.
Nobody in Iraq likes Al Qaeda anyway. They are mostly fundamentalistic thugs from foreign countries who terrorise and murder everyone. How are they supposed to get a "safe haven" in Iraq? The only thing strengthening Al Qaeda and other extremist groups in Iraq is American presence. If the situation deteriorates further, and anti-American sentiment increases it will benefit Al Qaeda.
Before the war Bush lied about terrorists training in Iraq. Now Iraq has become a real training-ground for terrorists using civilians as target practice.
McCain:
They are silent about Syria's export of suicide bombers, and Iran's exports of training, weapons and equipment that is being used to kill and maim American soldiers. They offer nothing other than generalities based on a withdrawal that amounts to defeat.
McCain once again confusing whos killing who. He mentions Syria but no mention of Saudi-Arabia. And Irans support is going to the Shia resistance. American soldiers are (or at least were at the time) killed almost exclusivley by Sunni insurgents or al Qaeda, with Shia militias mostly fighting Sunnis or amongst themselves.
The rest of the speech McCain shows extreme ignorance, arrogance and paranoia towards the rest of the world. McCains ONLY focus in foreign policy is American military and war. McCains ONLY sollution is American military force and more wars. McCain doesnt care about the How or Why or Who. McCain just knows the terrorists are out there, and they must all be killed.
McCain:
The cold war was won not with a tank battle in the Fulda Gap, but by winning the hearts and minds of the people that democracy was better than communism. And so it must be in our struggle with Islamic extremism. We must win this war by convincing the world that freedom is better than rule by terror.
McCain is of course completly delusional about history as well, simplifying events into "USA nr.1!", completly dismissing the accomplishments of the people and their leaders in Eastern Europe and Soviet Union. The Cold War was won because people in communist Europe rose against their dictators and oppressors, not because the US had convinced them democracy was better than communism. They didnt need the US to tell them they were oppressed. The Cold War was also won because world leaders like Kennedy showed restraint and delicate use of diplomacy in a time when the world was on the brink of nuclear annihilation. McCain clearly shows that he in a similar situation would fail that challenge. McCain would rather start World War III than talk to his enemies.
The myth of McCain, the foreign policy expert seems to me very easy to expose. He is just a clueless and dangerous old fool.
This is the same cr** they dished for bush. Diminished expectations. "Why should we expect our candidate to have a normally functioning brain? All we really want is an R in the White House."
I John McCain may have surrendered to the enemy in Nam But as long as I am not in harms way I would never surrender, Let the boys die.
Just what America really needs again, a Mcidiot in the white house run by a Cheney character in the background.
Never underestimate the stupidity of Americans.
jimbo92107 @ 62:
He was a pilot a long time ago, that takes some intelligence or something (at the time).
but past glory and abilities are worth zero for doing the President job today.
Anybody whose on heavy meds, drugs or drinks like a fish, senile or otherwise dumb disqualifies themselves,
and its sad or dishonest for any party insiders to promote morons or incompetents for a top job in office.
As Reagan should never have had a second term in any sane country, GWB his first, same with McCain, hes too old and eights years late.
You would think the sane politicians and power brokers in DC would have wised up years ago to some sense of reality.
Any candidate has to be fit to serve his/her four year term competently.
McCain the Liar @ 81:
or the treachery of the puppet masters in DC.