Open Thread
By bluegal Tuesday Apr 15, 2008 10:30pm
In honor of ABC News and their absolutely worthy-of-flushing questions in tonight's debate, may I present the fish tank toilet bowl from FishN'Flush, a.k.a. "the whimsical potty." Hey, is it too whimsical to name my fish Stephanopoulos and Gibson? (h/t LU)
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Is it too whimsical to flush Stephanopoulos and Gibson?
Fuck ABC.They won`t let you say fuck on their comments. First?
Obamafans are upset that ABC didn't offer Obama a pillow!!
It's not ABC's fault that they asked questions he will actually have to answer if he is the nominee.
And we saw again how bad he is at debating.
Hillary rocked!!!!
"Hillary, as a former employee of your Husband when he held the office you are running for, would you mind if i asked you a tough question?"
"Fire away! Just don't be surprised if I pull out the AK-47 my Grand Pappy taught me to shoot back in Scranton, PA and blow your head off if it in any way challenges me!"
"Oh. Ok then. Mrs. Clinton, when was it exactly that you learned from Homeland Security that Senator Obama was a terrorist?"
I am 1/2 hour into the debate and they have asked the LAMEST questions...
NOTHING yet about the real issues.
The REPUGS must be so pleased they are not talking about how the administration have completely F'd it all up!
ABC should be ashamed!
sully18 @ 2:
Second.ABC`S debate tonight was a great example of soft core pore at its finest;ala Disney
What do the fish eat? Wait don't answer that.
Anyways, Hillary did a good job. I think Obama fans think he should have been drooled over. Give me a break! If you can't put up your A game get out of the way.
Also, Stephanopoulos loaths Clinton you could hear it in his whiney voice.
Only Hillary fans and reich-wingers care whether Obama wears a flag-pin.
ABC is a half notch above FOX News. A kindler, gentler propaganda arm of the GOP.
Forget ABC -- Springsteen Endorses Obama: ‘Barack Born to Run’
ABC's phone number (212) 456-7777
wow....what a lame ass bunch of moderators and questions.
It wasn't a debate, it was a tabloid show. So much for covering the important issues, let's talk about a flag pin. And I missed American Idol for this??
The mods and Hillary must have been trying out for jobs on Fox News. What a waste of time. I feel like a real sucker for tuning in!
Yes. It really sucks when Obama gets an itty-bitty taste of the Clinton Rules.
Too bad he got his ass kicked in this debate.
Don Davis @ 10:
All kidding aside, i have no doubt Springsteen backs Obama.
Contact ABC here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346
Obama supporters, Clinton supporters we all should be angry about the asinine moderation tonight
sddf @ 14:
Did he? You and i must have refused to watch two different debates.
Blue gal, you are right, but how is that inappropriate given the light weight candidates in question? What is it, two and a half terms between them?
For all of you who want to email ABC, I just found these contacts on a NYT blog:
ABC NEW YORK NEWSROOM: (212) 456-5100 newsradio@abc.com Newsroom Fax Machine 212.456.5150�Cristi LandesManager, Programming 212.456.5107 cristi.d.landes@abc.com�Wayne Fisk Director, Programming 212.456.5327 wayne.fisk@abc.com�Jeff Fitzgerald Executive Director, Operations 212.456.5554 jeffrey.t.fitzgerald@abc.com�Heidi Oringer Executive Director, Entertainment 212.456.5541 heidi.b.oringer@abc.com�Jon Newman News Coverage 212.456.5100 jonathan.m.newman@abc.com�Joyce Alcantara Assignment Manager 212.456.5106 joyce.a.alcantara@abc.com�Jim Kane Deputy D.C. Bureau Chief 212.222. 6604 james.f.kane@abc.com�Andrew Kalb Executive Director, Programming3 05.567.2269 andrew.l.kalb@abc.com�Robert Garcia Executive Director, News & Sports 212.456.5103 robert.garcia@abc.com�Peter Salinger (THE MAN IN CHARGE OF ELECTION COVERAGE) Director, Special Events & Sports 212.456.5105 peter.salinger@abc.com�Steve Jones Vice President ABC NEWS RADIO 212-456-5101steve.jones@abc.com
Did Sean Hannity or John McCain write the questions for this debate?
I mean seriously, that Weather Underground group questions seriously harms both candidates going into the Fall. You know the question is loaded when Barack pointed out that he couldn't associate with any of their members if Bill hadn't pardoned a couple of them and Hillary doesn't have a response. This was a great night for the Republican party because they spent the first hour ripping into each other about NOTHING.
If ABC didn't waste the first hour trying to create the news, then everyone wouldn't have missed the big story that Hillary may be more hawkish than McCain when it comes to military intervention in the Middle East.
Flag pins, that was the woman's question????!!!! Where the hell was her flag pin since she thinks they are mandatory attire? The economy is going to hell, gas is $4.00 a gallon in some places, and lest she forget there is an occupation going on right now and people are being killed, and she asks about flag pins and ABC actually uses the question. What a waste of time.
sddf @ 14:
Like Clinton's going to get her ass kicked in North Carolina (10th largest state) putting her one step closer to yesterday's news. Then you will be free to join the winning team.
Obama 08!
sddf @ 14:
Is was less of an Obama ass kicking than it was a Hillary ass kissing.
I have to agree with the Governor of PA.:
"Even an Obama Kool-Aid drinking guy like yourself has to admit she scored a decisive victory tonight. A decisive victory. A knockout blow. A decisive victory. A decisive victory. Even more decisive when they started asking real questions."
http://openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=F90AF7DB4D982BF205BA9B286109...
Clinton in a knockout.
sddf @ 14:
How in the hell can you perform well in a debate where you're asked to "prove that you're not a member of a sleeping terrorist cell because you don't wear a lapel pin every second or every day" and "what is Reverend Wright feeling this exact moment?" He is already going 3 (hillary, bill, chelsea) on 1 in the primary, why does he have to go 5 on 1 in the debate?
KyleXY @ 3:
are you sure you are not a XX ?
getalife @ 24:
Sorry, no one is changing their vote based on this debate either way. If anything, Obama may have picked up a few more undecideds because he finally get to play the media's victim which he probably won't since he actually has that little thing called "class".
THANK YOU for stating the obvious about ABC's questions tonight.
I could sit though only 37 minutes of their God DAMNED gotcha questions.
Our country is going down the shit-hole, our debates have been hijacked by half-assed corporations like ABC, and important matters are prohibited from being discussed.
What a pathetic, sorry-ass country we live in.
Breaking up the corporate media monopolies is essential to our survival.
Well, over at AmericaBlog, they talked about how the blogosphere is saying how horrible the debate was. Notice that they did not reference C&L? That means C&L is doing something right.
Nothing is more flattering than to be ignored by AB.
Lollimom @ 28:
When the debates were sponsored by the League of Women Voters, they at least had some substance, dignity and class. Now they're more like Jerry Springer Shows on Steroids. When the moderators become the focus, it's over.
This debate did NOTHING to help either candidate. Clinton supporters should not be taking a victory walk being that The Weather Underground group received pardons from Bill and Hillary's answer about protecting Israel sounds more hawkish than anything a neocon has ever said. Even Pat Buchanan said she will face a Constitution crisis if she tries to follow through on her broad promise of intervening militarily anywhere in the Middle East where one of our allies are in danger. Imagine if Bush actually had that type of authority to strike militarily where ever he wanted just to protect a ally?
The winner tonight was John McCain and the Republican Party.
i think what obama was saying @ that fundraider in san fran was that america's very survival seems to depend on convincing the unwashed masses that being a dumb @$$ ain't hip no more.
in other words, take your eyes off the swinging stopwatch. or the boobies in cheney's shades.
SEE how it works?!
now pass it on. MACH SCHNELL!
Rico @ 30:
My blood pressure rose to dangerous levels after 37 minutes of that bullshit.
I just fired off a very angry email to ABC, not that it matters.
You, too, can have your DNA collected
when arrested. Pope Benedict hates
secularists. Another black man gets freed of rape charges in Texas, due to DNA testing.
It amazes me how anybody can scream with glee that Hillary won a "debate" moderated by an ex employee who asked irrelevant questions. Is this really your idea of making America better? If so are you sure the Democratic Party is for you?
After all, there is another party available. One that panders to the lowest sensibilities of the American Public as long as it is expedient and attains their goals. They are willing to destroy this country in order to save their portfolios and it is free to join, which is right up your alley. All you have to do in return is to give up your values, your Constitution and your rights. No need to stick with people who care and pretend that you do. There is a wealth of shallow rich people just aching to take you for all you are worth. Why wait?
i'm watching the debate now. to be perfectly frank, i was never in either one of the candidate's corners. However, obama has quietly surfaced as my candidate. Hillary is just too much of a politician. Neither one of them is bright enough, courageous enough or perhaps articulate enough to put these media whores in their place. i insulted my black lab puppy a bit ago when i compared his sniffing around for food to the media whores who mediate these debates and sniff around for something anything to fuel the fire. i apologized to lincoln, my puppy. they have been the real negatives for the past eight years, because bush and company did what they were divined to do, the media however has always held the precious responsibility of pointing out the truth. Sadly, our media sold out...completely. i equate them with joe lieberman, a traitor to the ideals of true journalism.
why do the candidates at this point allow these media whores to focus the debate not on the economy, not on the war, but on obama's preacher. we need iverson, "that was practice, not a real game, but practice."
bullfrog @ 32:
I think Obama needs to talk to Rachel Maddow on how to explain this issue. In 2004, didn't the Republicans put that "ban on gay marriage" amendment on the ballots in most states because they thought it would be a close race and they wanted to increase turnout? Gay marriage is a religious issue. He didn't say religion was wrong. He was saying that politicians will exploit cultural and religious issues to earn votes when their policies and promises fall flat.
i used to make toilets at a pottery , then i got a job makeing toilets for homeless people! five gallon plastic buckets!
Lollimom @ 28:
Well said!
Most disgusting Debate in 25 years....If you want to call and complain about the FOX driven Debate and complain about George and Charlie's "skills", be Polite ( like Obama) but real....and HERE IS THE WORKING PHONE NUMBER AS OF 11:30PM....( I last tried at that time , Number from KOS and checked with NY friend)
ABC: ( leave a messege about the debate) 818-456-7477, press2, then press6, then press 639.....leave messege=30 sec.
If this stops working let me know at http://watergatesummer.blogspot.com/
Well, if one of them wins, I hope they take care of Charlie Gibson's tax problems.
He seems very worried about it.
I know newspaper endorsements usually don't matter, but I know from experience one that does with the locals and that's the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, which endorsed Obama today. That was a shock for even this former Pittsburgher. The last paragraph says it all:
Pennsylvania -- this encrusted, change-averse commonwealth where a state liquor monopoly holds on against all reason and where municipal fiefdoms shrink from sensible consolidation -- needs to take a strong look at the new face and the new hope in this race. Because political business-as-usual is more likely to bring the usual disappointment for the Democrats this fall, the Post-Gazette endorses the nomination of Barack Obama, who has brought an excitement and an electricity to American politics not seen since the days of John F. Kennedy.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08107/873625-35.stm
no longer a proud american @ 36:
I appreciate your honesty. But I believe that both were caught off guard by the amount of bullsh*t that would be launched at them tonight. Even Hillary wasn't prepared for Obama's rebuttal that Bill pardoned two Weather Underground members.
tyree @ 38:
things keep going youll have a chance to dump in one of my products!
Dave @ 39:
You both said it well.
Contact ABC here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Site/page?id=3271346
Obama supporters, Clinton supporters we all should be angry about the asinine moderation tonight
trying again:
Please do leave ABC a polite but firm complaint on their line:
Working Messege LINE for ABC as of 11:30Pm:
818-460-7477 then 2, then 6, then 639 , 30 seconds to voice concerns about journalistic integrity. ( possible Boycott of Disney)
tyree @ 38:
You insensitive shit... But thanks for reminding me, I've got to empty the pickle jar.
Mister Anderson @ 37:
rachel maddow's been kicking neocon ass lately.
and whoever said joe scarborough looks like beeker from muppets was spot on.
I'm absolutely outraged by this hit job masquerading as a debate! I'm all for tough questions that flesh out a candidate's views on a particular matter, but *&^%&%@ flag pins! A loose relationship with someone who has become a pillar of Chicago society? Reverend Wright? Bittergate?
50 minutes devoted to this nonsense before, as an afterthought, such secondary matters as Iraq and our economy began to be raised. Were George and Charlie channeling Hume and Hannity? That is the only question remaining to be asked.
Bitter enigma4ever of Watergate Summer @ 46:
You know, both Obama and Clinton supporters ought to be picketing in front of ABC studios tomorrow for the stunt they pulled on our candidates tonight.
I'll leave the politeness to others; any message I leave would be so scalding it would burn their equipment...which is not a bad idea.
Lollimom @ 50:
I have been long awaiting the day America gets fed up and shuts the networks down entirely.
I will continue to wait.
I forced myself to listen to Bush speech to the Pope and I am numbed by the brazen hypocrisy and false reverence to human life........what balls this guy has.
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2379414
BTW at the Bush makes a reference to a "dictatorship of relativism",.........note to MSM........you need to find out WTF this guy is talking about.
dictatorship of relativism? Are you friggin kidding me?
It's really hilarious seeing all the whining here because Obama FINALLY got put on the same hot seat that Hillary has been on, and he totally sucked when the pressure was put to him.
What makes it even funnier is that in between posts about how unfair ABC was, you post a video from that Hillary bashing joke Keith Obamamann.
Biased much?
How much does this toilet cost? Where can I pick one up?
More torture.
I just checked google. There is no criticism of the debate that i can see in the press.
Shame on them all.
She had specifics: First I woould do this, then I would do this....
He had trouble even speaking in generalities. He practically circumnavigated the eaerth to come up with a simple yes or no answer.
She completely humiliated him with her knowledge of the issues....my gawd he is so unready....embarrasing
Tonight ABC defined the term "out of touch". Pitiful.
OxyCon @ 53:
Listen, Rush. I think you should start thinking about a less revealing nic name.
Was I watching Faux Noise tonight? What a joke. Lapel pins , preachers and guns. No important issues discussed at all. What a joke.
Radically Moderate @ 52:
It's more like a dictatorship of stupidity. And Bush is the dick-tator.
xoites defends Constitution @ 44:
I know what you mean, but I don't know if I agree. I'm inclined to think these media conglomerate news (in the loosest sense of the word) behemoths, could do less damage if instead of fighting them to do their jobs correctly, rather allow them as much leeway as they'd like and slip, unaware to them, into inconsequentiality. Now that we have the internet and sites like C&L anyone who WANTS to know the details of life can find out.
Fighting them to change will just draw out their inevitable slide into irrelevancy. I say let it happen as fast as possible so we can get it behind us.
Roger Waters of Pink Floyd put it best in "The Final Cut" from the song "The Fletcher Memorial Home"
take all your overgrown infants away somewhere
and build them a home a little place of their own
the fletcher memorial
home for incurable tyrants and kings
and they can appear to themselves every day
on closed circuit t.v.
to make sure they're still real
it's the only connection they feel
He was talking about govt leaders but it can EASILY be applied to the MSM.
Barack Overcomes His ‘Quiptonite’: Gets the ‘Superdelegate’ from Smallville
What the Hell did you expect from the Disney Network??
sas @ 57:
Her ex employee ambushed him and he won.
OxyCon @ 53:
OxyCon. Let's put this in perspective. When has Hillary been confronted with Whitewater, FBI-File gate, the Monica Lewinsky scandal, etc., etc during these debates? Because that would be the only parallel to the shit Obama confronted tonight. Obama comported himself just fine tonight, but I can not say the same for the media. Hillary, of course, seeing a political opening, picked up the knife dropped by Brutus and stabbed the corpse a few more times. I've never seen a more pathetic, grasping performance in my life. I will admit, that when Hillary turned from the GOP talking points about Obama to policy issues, she shined. But her performance overall is impacted by her ruthless, cynical political attacks.
Republican Utopia (Hussein) @ 61:
I meant to say: BTW at the end of this clip........
Fritz @ 60:
Better get your lapel pin and your gun, because the Republicans will start shooting if they get swept out in November. Your latte will no longer protect you. You're gonna have to start shooting back.
It looks like poor Charlie is worried about having to pay taxes on his capital gains.
A flood of complaints to ABC would be exactly what they want....ATTENTION. Then they could spend the entire week talking about themselves and replaying clips from the non-debate. It's built in, consumer driven PR.
That's what's so odd about corporate America lately. Many times scandal and controversy actually increase profits of a company if only for the attention they bring. Go figure.
MH @ 64:
Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck.
EliteLemming @ 47:
think nothing of it! dont spill any on your feet!
Ron @ 69:
No shit, and since when do "most" people make 100K a year? Gibson epitomizes "out of touch" elitism.
Rico @ 70:
Free advertising. We should just stop going to Disneyland, and stop listening to Hannah Montana!
Early this morning I published a link to Jedreport http://www.jedreport.com/ This fellow has made an outstanding video on Clinton's credibility, using her own words, then and now. Anyway, just found out that after getting 300 diggs the video just disappeared from Digg, someone (I wonder who) did not want this video seen. Help the guy how by going to Andrew Sullivan's site and voting on Digg it OR just go to youtube and watch the video, it is amazing. you can make a difference, circulate the video.
http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Devastating_Clinton_YouTube_Video_Hits...
Direct link on youtube
http://youtube.com/watch?v=exsmFDYyK4U
Republican Utopia (Hussein) @ 68:
Horrible waste of perfectly good bullets.
FilthyHarry @ 62:
That is a great song and the Final Cut is a great album, but i totally disagree with your conclusion. The Media Monopoly misinforms most Americans and keeps the debate to the level of flag lapel pins and what someone else said rather than the issues. As a result we get ripped off, disenfranchised and enslaved.
I, for one, am sick of it.
Call the New York main number and ask for
212-456-7777
David Westin - President of ABC NEWS
I called and told him what a sham of a debate that was. Disgraceful.
George
ChrisNBama @ 66:
I bet you really liked the part where Obama said HE never questioned Hillary's honesty, and Charlie Gibson immediately reminded him that his campaign does it all the time.
Newkindapolitics ftw!
Radically Moderate @ 76:
You can get 'em cheap at Wal-mart.
cBc @ 12:
I didn't miss American Idol. The blonde chicky was voted off - Christy. After about 30 minutes of ABC's inane questioning I switched off. I peeked in during commercials and all I saw was love for McCain. Was he behind the camera?
Support the protest at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvUNFmB7Jl8&e
ChrisNBama @ 73:
Yeah, my investments aren't doing so good because I don't have any. Couldn't afford to invest.
Complaints about the Debate; Call ABC and leave a Messege:
( remember FOX, Sean Hannity FED George the Questions.....)
Call 818-460-7477 press 2, then 6, then leave messege 639,
BoyCott Disney? Picket in NYC ? WE need a Working MEDIA...One not fed LINES by ROVE....
Mister Anderson @ 45:
Help this guy shre his protest as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvUNFmB7Jl8&e
PS:
For you slobbering followers of Hillzebub, you can bet your sour ass we're mad about the hit job done tonight! We have gas and food prices skyrocketing, our military can't even sit down for a breather without some Iraqi insurgent causing trouble, our infastructure is literally crumbling around us, and all we get are softball questions from George Snuffalupicus for Clinton and veiled accusations that Obama kidnapped Patty Hearst! Talk about being out of freaking touch!
It was as sickening a gang-up on Obama as that notorious beatdown video those teenage girls made last week. No one said that Obama knows all the answers, but this was a corporate media hit job that was meant to prolong the nomination agony for several more months of ratings, plain and simple.
george @ 78:
hey, how about the numbers of all 5 of them? or is it 6? y'know, the fellas who control all of the media & play golf together? rupert murdoch, david westin... who else?
surely simon wiesenthal is rolling in his grave.
the funny part is none of you seem to see they are going to give you shitty debates from now on , demos answering stupid questions month after month till no body gives a shit about who wins!
Republican Utopia (Hussein) @ 80:
........Oh the Irony! ;-)