Arnold: From the sublime to the ridiculous
By scarce Saturday Apr 19, 2008 4:00pm
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Props to the Governator for just coming right out and saying that the real reason Republicans deny Global Climate Change so hotly is that they're beholden to big business.
Kilmeade: But here’s the thing, Governor: A lot of people, a lot of Republicans in particular don’t believe there is Global Warming, there is Climate Change. They don’t believe the green technology and we talk to a lot of them on an every day basis. You’re a Republican, what do you know that they don’t?
Schwarzenegger: Well, I think they know the reality. I think they’re just trying to protect business. And in the end, they’re hurting business. Because we’ve proven in California that you can do both, that you can protect the environment and protect business. Even though in 2003, when I ran and I said that, people didn’t believe it but then we started building the ‘Hydrogen Highway’ and passed the Green Building Initiative and the Million Solar Roof Initiative and the Ocean Action Plan and AB32 to make a commitment to roll back our greenhouse gas emissions and the low carbon fuel standards, all of those things that got world recognition, I think people realize now, ‘wait, this does not hurt our economy, this is actually a big plus' because we’re creating jobs through green, clean technology.
This being Fox though, they had to end a rather lengthy interview on a more cheerful note, with Fox & Friends' Brian Kilmeade looking for some body-building tips. Arnold called him "without a doubt the most muscular television host," whereupon Kilmeade positively swooned.
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Brian Kilmeade Faux's suited 'bully boy' has called for tazings and worse for Code Pink and other protesters at least twice on Faux.
Brian Kilmeade the acceptable clean shaven face of corporate 'news' fascism
Damn, Arnie's got a brain. Howzabout that?
This is so pathetically sad that people on the Left and Arnold are useful idiots for the Global Warming fearmongers.
Big business are the biggest proponents of global warming regulations because they can afford it and destroy competition. Why do you think GE has a green week, BP puts out commercial all the time talking about how we need to find alternative sources of energy, Big Oil is the biggest producer of ethanol (which gets subsidies), Walmart advertises its green roofs, on and on....
The reason the price of oil is so high is because we are not allowed to drill ANYWHERE!! The reason why food is so expensive is because Big Farm and Big Oil want ethanol subsidies and the environmentalist are just starting to get it now that biofuel is a joke.
When will the Left wake up to the big picture as well?
General_Rennenkampf @ 2:
Weeeelllll...... I'd say he understands who his voters are. In a state where business and ideals are in the greatest conflict, fusing the two together is the best way to get reelected. Coming through with his campaign promises
I JUSt 'got here' and this is the first thing I saw: "Arnold: From the sublime to the ridiculous". I laughed. Yeah, so, what's news there??? Harr harr, Ah-nold the terminator of Caleefohneea.
Fox are speeding up global warming with all those light they flash at their viewers.
Funny thing is if you open up the National Review you will find an ad that state 19,000 scientist disagree with the man made global warming theory.. Now I'm not saying we should not get off the oil but lying to do it is wrong...
Got another quote? Because right now it looks like your making stuff up. Trying to "protect business" does not equal "beholden to business". You gotta watch that. Ask Al Gore or Barack Obama how they feel about that sort of thing. They'll tell you you shouldn't "invent" stories or it'll leave a "bitter" taste in your mouth.
This is just my opinion , but I believe the George Schultz Cabal who are backing him ,are positioning him for the white House in the future and California is just another stage for the bad actor . Look at it from the NEOCON perspective , they are throwing a lot of bones to the left , why because the Austrian born , steroid using right winger woke up and discovered global warming , ya right . These clowns think ahead , WAY ahead . First get Arnie some bona fides with the left , get the Constitution changed to allow him to run and bada-bing you have your Trojan Horse in the White House and he will adopt every militaristic foreign policy , that they tell him to from militarization of Space to taking away more civil liberties .
He'll fool the left & (right)because the society is sick with Idol worshiping sheep and since the right will be told , he's our guy , that'll make the complete the con game .
Kilmeade's muscles are between his ears, leaving room for little else.
ahnold forgot to tell kilmeade his real secret....steroids
and is it just me or does ahnold look more and more like the robot from the terminator every day
way too much plastic surgery
80% of Americans dont trust anyone who is on Fox News.
see "which lobbyists" are they "all" connected to.
Including Mr. Schwarzenegger.
Instead of "them" setting the daily talking points...
The People who tell the truth should be.
It would be good if C&L had a new link right on top "Catapult the Truth Talking Point" link
.... "to the whole nation...
Heres one:
The McCain/Abramoff Scandal Cover-up
Kahoneez @ 8:
'never ever again after Reagan' should be the battle cry
First of all, note how the self-serving schmuck Schwarzenegger gets away with peddling the BS that he was out front arguing that you can protect the environment and business. Oh yeah, he's a leader. Second of all, anyone who believes anything that ever comes out of his mouth is worse than a fool. Career politicians are at least straight about what values they hold, and generally can be analyzed by what special interests they support. Schwarzenegger is a liar, and an obfuscator and a misrepresenter and a smiling con man. He's also a scumbag, by the way.
Kahoneez @ 8:
Yeah, as we've seen from the last 8 years, you don't need a "trojan horse" to do all those things. They will do it right in front of your face.
Can we no longer give credit, where credit is due?
Like Arnold or not, we'd all be better off if his "style" of Republicanism was the norm.
Fox is "done for" as a reputable media outlet.
U.S. Satelite stations need to setup the parallel broadcasts
of the "Catapult the Truth Talking Point" updates, concerts and guests.
I that Arnold is totally correct.
Kilmeade should get some gas and light himself on fire.
Devil's Advocate @ 3:
Someday when you wake up you are going to be so embarrassed!
Paul's Bunions @ 17:
Can you please make a substantive argument rather than how you were taught to make an argument by your liberal professors. Take something I said. Make a counter-argument to it. Otherwise, you are just conceding that everything I said is correct and you have no intellectual ability to respond.
andy @ 6:
See The "Current" State of Mind Control article in the Idaho Observer:
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070105.htm
nifty @ 16:
That was pretty damn funny , can I help ?
Devil's Advocate @ 18:
You are not worth the time but I will say this, record profits for the oil companies by controlling the flow of oil by making wars, keeping other energy sources off the market, are tactics that you fail to see. Sleep well!
Paul's Bunions @ 21:
They make record profits because of the overreguation you economic ignoramus. It cuts out all competition into the market. Furthermore, the gas companies get 10 cents per gallon profit while the Federal and State Government taxes are 60 cents per gallon average. So who is making the "profit?"
I guess being a liberal does not require the burden of evidence to make a statement.
Devil's Advocate @ 22:
Prove it MORON show me the links!
Oh please. This guy is full of shit. Out here in CA Arnold is a big-business whore. He doesn't do a fucking thing without a major corporation giving him the green light.
Typical do as I say not as I do bullshit and you took it hook line and sinker.
Devil's Advocate @ 22:
Got the talking points memorized don't you? If we just cut taxes and regulations everything will just be perfect. blah blah blah. Have you ever opened a history book?
Idiotland @ 25:
In fact I have done just that. Even Upton Sinclair spoke about how "Big Meat" wanted government meat inspection to destroy competition. US Steel wanted more government regulations so that it would have a monopoly. Small businesses cannot deal with regulations, but Big Business can make up the margins by spreading the cost to the consumer.
YES, Kilmeade NEEDS TO USE A LOT OF GAS, SO NOTHING IS WHAT WE GET,!!!!!
Paul's Bunions @ 23:
Okay.
Link One (State Gas taxes): http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html
Plus the Federal 18 cents per gallon http://www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/1054.html
Average them together and you get 60 cents per gallon.
Then the gas profits
http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html
http://www.energytomorrow.org
This whimpy Italian and Faux Noise moron doesn't have a hair on his ass.
Classic Arnold debate moment:
http://arnolddebate.ytmnd.com/
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Devil's Advocate @ 28:
DA, its pointless, these people want there system no matter how bad it is...
Devil's Advocate @ 28:
Devil’s Advocate Says:
"The reason why food is so expensive is because Big Farm and Big Oil want ethanol subsidies and the environmentalist are just starting to get it now that biofuel is a joke."
It has nothing to do with the price of oil?
Propaganda is not proof. Compare taxes of gas next to taxes of other commodities and they are low. And lastly even your President Bush admited that Global Warming is real, now go back to sleep Mr. Rip Van Moron!
I often hear criticisms about centrists from both the left and the right, but until the right figures out that socio-economic egalitarianism is not without its virtues, and the left figures out that capitalistic competition is likewise not without its virtues, the heat to light ratio will not significantly improve.
Philosophical thought of the day: this supports Hegel's notion of thesis vs. antithesis = synthesis (capitalism vs. socialism = synthesis of good points from each). Ironically, it does not support Marx's hijacking of Hegel -- namely, his hubris in thinking he of all people had the final synthesis, AKA The End of History. Carry on, then.
"But I am an Italian with a lot of body hair" Nice segue you putz.
Devil’s Advocate's links seem not to be to actual newspapers, but to oil and natural gas owned sites. I was wondering how scientific editor Phil Cooney was making a living these days. Maybe Devil's Advocate could google Phil Cooney and explain why the old lawyer for American Petrolem Industries, who is not at all a scientist, was editting scientific reports when Bush put the crony in the EPA. I'd like to hear an answer to that one.
I'm not saying your a moron, just an ill informed and very gullible moron.
here's what i don't get; there's so much money to be made in the first commercially viable alternative green technology to replace oil, for the life of me i can't figure out why the republican greedheads aren't falling all over themselves to invest in them. you'd think they were stupid or someth...oh wait....
General_Rennenkampf @ 2:
The Republicans in California are businessmen. California does not have cool aid drinking religous zealots running the Republican Party. If they sense a way to make cash off of green technology then they will push it. Also you have to figure into the equasion that the businessmen in California are still pissed about all the money they lost during the fake energy crisis.
Devil's Advocate @28 Thanks for posting those sites. I just don't think they support your arguments very well. The 10 cent profit per gallon that you site is from a typical $2.65 gallon of California gas - from a few years back. That is only the refining profit. There was $1.12 in production (mostly), transport and retail profits as well. I think that Big Oil is getting their hands on some of that. The same site shows oil company profits as a percentage of revenues to be from 7% to 11%. Project that onto a $2.65 gallon and you get a per gallon profit of 19 to 29 cents.
Everything that I've read says that the oil companies are doing very well.
As to GE, BP, Walmart: show me a company that tries to promote itself as a BAD corporate citizen. Big polluters run ads all the time about how green they are. Companies that treat their employees badly run commercials full of employees with big smiles on their faces.
I agree that biofuel is a con and that our agricultural program doesn't serve the needs of our people.
I took climatology in college 20 years ago. Back then every geography professor in the department believed that climate change was a real thing. They didn't believe it as part of a liberal plot. They believed it because they were scientists and they'd read the relevant literature and come to believe it was GOOD SCIENCE.
Big Oil and other big businesses have been financing anti-climate change propaganda for years. Apparently, they've got to you.
We could drill ANWAR and drill off-shore more, but when we use up that oil we will just be back in the same place, though with ANWAR and our oceans polluted.
Right after 9-11, would have been a great time to put in higher fuel-efficiency standards for our cars, close the SUV loophole, reduce overall energy use, etc., but our leaders were in bed with Big Oil, Detroit and the Saudis.
Oh, and Devil's Advocate, when your done scratching your head over my last question, maybe you can scratch it till it bleeds over your "Gobal Warming fearmongers" who said the following:
-GWB
Yes he did! Read it here:
Bush is a Global Warming fearmonger!
Oh yes, read it here, Schnooky-Ookums: Republican's ruining our economy. Put that in your smoke stack and pipe it.
5 (bitter & angry 67%) Edwin Hussein Says: I JUSt ‘got here’ and this is the first thing I saw: “Arnold: From the sublime to the ridiculous”. I laughed. Yeah, so, what’s news there??? Harr harr, Ah-nold the terminator of Caleefohneea.
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OK. Arnold is smarter than I thought. I stand corrected.
Schwarzenegger: Well, I think they know the reality. I think they’re just trying to protect business.
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DUH! Bush, Cheney, and Condi Rice were all oil execs.
And when we say that it would take a couple billion (about a week in Iraq) to do it they all go 'Zomg, it's too expensive!'
Arthur A @ 7:
Schwarzenegger clearly said "protect business." Watch to the video before accusing people of "making stuff up."
Devil's Advocate @ 3:
The garbage BP, et al promote has a name---greenwashing. BP stopped doing their horseshit "green" commercials because they were patently ridiculous. The US has 3% of known oil reserves, the Middle East 66%. Drill anywhere? You must be delusional. Why don't you wake up to reality, pal?
I've begun to think recently that maybe Arnold would be a decent president.
I didn't think anyone could do it, but Ahnold just made $4 a gallon seem like a bargain.
Hell, I'd gladly throw in another $4 for one of them BBQ/fireplace lighters too.
Before everyone gets all warm and fuzzy about the Terminator - know some facts.
Our unemployment rate here is rising rapidly (currently 6.2%).
Before he declared his cadidacy, he described himself as "only interested in the education of da kids" on Leno. Everyone thought, "what a nice guy." The middle school that my daughter will attend next year has had to cut 20% from its budget over the previous 6 years. This year alone they had to cut another 20%. Class sizes are now 35, in grade school. The teachers here are excellent, but are not being retained.
Arnold stated that he wouldn't take outside dough - he was so wealthy he didn't need to. Gray Davis (the previous Gov.) was adept a generating money for his elections, but Arnold has put him to shame since he moved in.
Remember, virtually ANY Republican at this point looks like a saint against what Bush Co. has done. That doen't mean we shouldn't demand better.
arnold did tell kilmeade that he needed work on his 'lower body'
nifty @ 17:
don't think about it, just do it...
Leslie [Bitter Elitist Hussein] @ 43:
What are you talking about? I know he said protect business. Do you see where I say trying to "protect business" does not equal "beholden to business"? That because one Arnold said, and the other submitter said. And they're not the same. At least you managed to figure out who said "making stuff up".
I don't like The Governator one bit, but hey, at least he's telling the truth about SOMETHING in public, and even making all the head-in-the-sand business toadies (ok, MORE toadying than Arnold, anyway) look bad.
sassafra @ 37:
While you're correct, I'd say there are two... no, actually three other really important reasons for their fear of anything that doesn't involve digging carbon goo out of the ground.
1) Being "conservative" to many modern Republicans appears to mean "terrified of any and all change." Doing something other than burning fossil fuels is change, thus they fear it. Of course, being afraid of a day when there's not enough oil accessible to supply society as we have come to know it is scary, but ignoring it isn't going to stop it from happenign.
2) Most alternative energy systems involve somewhat more distributed energy production. If the production is distributed, how do you maintain a functional monopoly (one that, as has been proven, is INCREDIBLY profitable)? You don't. Same thing the RIAA member labels are dealing with now that music production and distribution isn't in their hands, and they're reacting even more badly.
3) Because while there are economically viable alternatives to oil, they are only economically viable once the price of oil (and other fossil fuels) rises to reflect its external costs and its scarcity. That is, producing sustainable fuels through any realistic means costs, and will probably continue to cost, $5-10 per gallon of gas energy equivalent, likely on the high end of that even with economies of scale.
As you might be able to guess, you can't run LA as it's constructed now on $10/gallon gas, and telling people "Sorry, energy has been ridiculously cheap for the past half century or so, but the party's over, time to pay what it really costs." isn't what they want to do. If you have a perspective of, say, ten years into the future, you would MUCH rather continue to keep people addicted to liquid petroleum fuel while prices rise, and get filthy rich off of it rather than investing huge sums of money rearranging the entire energy infrastructure of the US for a more modest payback that won't really be felt for a decade or two.
Here's the truth: Oil has been way cheap since nearly everyone reading this was born. We've been living off the energy put in the "bank" for a while now, the account is getting thin, and it's time to go get a job and start making some energy. But since outside technological hyperoptimist fantasy and sci-fi there is no "drop in replacement" for oil, it's going to be a rough ride rearranging the world we've all come to know. Gonna happen one way or the other, just a question of who's going to benefit from being on the leading edge of the curve and who's going to be completely screwed because they held off making the tough changes until it was too late.
And by the way, if you're thinking "They'll come up with something," I work at an alternative energy research lab in California (in fact, even getting some love from The Governator's vaunted H2 Highway thing), and I'm not betting on it. Put another way, I AM "they." And I might be pessimistic, but don't count on the magic fusion pellet that makes your car run forever for free. Energy's going to get expensive, like it or not.
Of course Arnie's a master of the halfway, easy-to-digest , bean-counter-vetted short-term fix, but in today's political climate that's about all you can expect. And you have to give him credit for saying things no one there at Fox, least of all his interviewer, wanted to hear, smoothly, confidently, and articulately, a consummate professional. English isn't even his first language and he speaks circles around both our President and VP (the latter only because he rarely talks, what with the long noisy breathing in between words and all).
So when it came to the bodybuilding question, he showed them once again he was large and in charge, telling Kilmeade to work on his legs and do squats, which is a kind of a cut-down if the guys' that serious (being so common and basic), and then slamming the next silly question with classic weight-room alpha-male humor. Gasoline indeed! Not high-brow, but still hilarious.
Charles @ 45:
I have a feeling he might not be so green were he not living in a state with so many vegans and tree-huggers. Anyway, we'll never have to find out unless they amend the Constitution . . .
I'm not a fan of Ahnold, but I believe, based on expert testimony, that he's sincere about this. On his radio show "Ring of Fire", Robert Kennedy Jr. stated that even though he disagreed with him on *so* many issues, Schwarzenegger was a genuine environmentalist. He said he's spent a lot of time talking with Schwarzenegger about the issues (being as how he's a cousin by marriage) and Kennedy is convinced the Governator means what he says.
Ahnold's politics suck in many other ways, but on this issue, I believe him.
I heard that Kennedy is considering a US Senate run from Connecticut. Hey, that would give them a chance to make minor amends for Lieberman.
And remember the new generation of STEROIDS are spectacular.......................
I especially liked Arnold's suggestion for that idiot Fox host to remove his body hair!
Go douse yourself in gasoline and burn it off you numb skull! LOL!!!
Devil's Advocate @ 27:
Dear Mr Advocate and Mr Bunion,
Don't waste your time with this sheeple who will swallow whatever their television tells them to believe. Especially on this site, the "progressives" piously rail against any and all dissenting views. They miss the gist of what the points offerred are, and they blather on about opposing views mimicing talking points, avoiding addressing said points offerred or mouthing their own talking points that are very quickly dismantled. If you have any intellectual curiosity at all.
You can't convince these people to open up their minds to contrary positions, it is like a religion, they are right and they know it and no amount of information, history or supporting documentation will convince them otherwise. They are the useful idiots of the new unfolding American facist police state who, despite their good intentions, will be one of the reasons this country collapses: a really stupid, intellectually lazy and arrogant population. It's not entirely their fault though: the whole system is designed to dumb us down and make us more easily lead.
Work with people who want to get it, who want to see the big picture. You obviously do. When you find people who are open to learning about how we are being dumbed down and enslaved through economic and political manipulation, help them prepare for what is coming, and there is lots to prepare for. Otherwise you waste your energy, and you need to take care of yourself.
These other Global Warming fearmongers are going to get a spike through the forehead when the whole corporate-shaped new society hits high gear -- they are training us to be slaves today, but we ain't seen nothing yet. (Can you say complete economic collapse? Can you say food riots?)
But mark my words: Global Warming, like the War on Terror, the War on Drugs and all the other wars waged by the elites of this country, is a war against the average man, and we are the enemy. It is another excuse to regulate, tax and track us to death, literally. But ultimately this war will fail to create any tangible results as all wars do. And this time, the elite's plans are going to backfire, bigtime.
Just last night I was watching UFC 1,2, and 3. It was an interesting flashback to those halcyon days with Brian Kilmeade and Jim Brown hosting.
And I guess Arnold wasn't in Vancouver for their record setting latest-in-the-year snowfall on Earth Day.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/04/21/5343616-sun.html
mr.ed @ 10:
Then his ears must be located between his hips.
No,Brian Kilmeade ears are above his twigs and berries,Man.
Why is the burden of proof on proving that humans are not responsible for climate change, instead of like the rest of out culture where one must prove guilt? Is it not impossible to prove that something is not responsible without either removing it from the equation (not possible here) or by finding the true cause (earth cycles--maybe). The absence of proof that says man caused climate change does not prove guilt. Here is another illogical liberal argument.
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