McClatchy's Leila Fadel Cuts Through the BS on Iraq and Iran
By Bill W. Sunday Apr 20, 2008 3:00pm
Last week Bill Moyers sat down with Leila Fadel while she was stateside to receive a George Polk Award for Foreign Reporting. In this interview she bluntly lays bare all the spin on Iraq and Iran in a way that is all too rare these days.
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I can't say enough good things about this brave woman, but I would echo all of what Spencer and Matthew have written about her and then some. McClatchy, one of the few sane voices on Iraq since before the invasion (when they were still known as Knight-Ridder) continues to impress.
Watch the full interview on Moyers' PBS website, and you can check out Leila Fadel's McClatchy blog, Baghdad Observer and her team's Inside Iraq.
Transcript after the jump.
BILL MOYERS: Just this week Iraq was struck by a fresh wave of violence. At least 50 people died from a bombing at a funeral - a funeral! Sixty people were killed earlier in the week, and 120 wounded.
It's difficult … but gruesome news doesn't go away because we look away. So consider these photos taken in Baquba, Ramadi, and Mosul -- victims of car bombs and suicide attacks.
Such scenes are routine for the people in Iraq and the journalists who still cover them. One of those journalists is Leila Fadel - the Baghdad bureau chief for the McClatchy Newspaper Group. She was born in Saudi Arabia of a Lebanese father and a mother from Michigan. The fact that she speaks Arabic may have saved her life when she was covering the war between Hezbollah and Israel.
She's reported on everything from Iran's relationship with Iraq… to the impact of war on families in ethnically torn neighborhoods …to the constant stress on US troops. And she does it all so well that this week she received a George Polk award for foreign reporting - an honor bestowed for courage under fire.
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BILL MOYERS: [W]e read a lot about the thousand Iraqi soldiers who quit the fight in Basra, laid down their arms. And this week there were stories of more defectors in Sadr City. Are these people cowed? Are they afraid? What's happening?
LEILA FADEL: I think it's a combination of things. I think there are people who don't feel that they should be fighting the Mahdi Army, who don't feel that they should be killing their Shia brothers because most of the Iraqi security forces are Shia. And I think there is also threats. I mean, we had reports of the Mahdi Army going house to house in Sadr City and if they were Iraqi security forces, they would say, "We know where you live. We know where your family is. And if you fight us, we'll find you." And so I think it's a combination of the fear that their families will be killed and that they're being killed as well as a moral objection by some of them.
BILL MOYERS: Moral objection?
LEILA FADEL: I think so, yes.
BILL MOYERS: To?
LEILA FADEL: To fighting who the people they consider their brothers.
BILL MOYERS: You broke the story that it was an appeal to an Iranian source. You broke the story that the Iranians actually intervened to stop the fighting in Basra, right?
LEILA FADEL: That's right. Yeah, that's right.
BILL MOYERS: So there's real evidence on the ground that Iran is influential in Iraq.
LEILA FADEL: Yes. I mean, I don't think anybody questions that Iran is influential in Iraq. I don't know that all of Iran's influence in Iraq is bad influence. Iran has chips on every table, you know? They're betting on everybody. You'll talk to Iraqi officials who say that the Iranians are willing to give money to anybody. You have Sunni leaders going to meet with Iranian officials in Iran. The man who is the Iraqi affairs man is the head of the Qods force in Iraq in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, who the United States says is a terrorist.
He is the man that deals with Iraqi affairs. He is the man that deals with Iraqi officials. He is the man that was involved when an Iraqi delegation went to Iran in March to stop the fighting in Basra and apparently was the one that was helping get Moqtada Sadr to say stand down. Now maybe it's a bad thing that the Iranians have so much influence, but what do we expect when we put a Shia government into power? These men took refuge and had funding in Iran.
BILL MOYERS: Let's listen to what President Bush said recently about Iran's influence in Iraq.
PRESIDENT BUSH:The regime in Tehran also has a choice to make. It can live in peace with its neighbor, enjoy strong economic and cultural and religious ties. Or it can continue to arm and train and fund illegal militant groups, which are terrorizing the Iraqi people and turning them against Iran. If Iran makes the right choice, American will encourage a peaceful relationship between Iran and Iraq. Iran makes the wrong choice, America will act to protect our interests, and our troops and our Iraqi partners.
BILL MOYERS: What's your reaction hearing the President talk that way?
LEILA FADEL: First of all, just in the practical sense, the American Army's tired. They're on third and fourth rotations in Iraq. Can they really go after Iran at this point? And secondly, what are we going to do if we go into Iran, the United States? They say that the Iranian government is bringing weapons into Iraq and funding and training the Shia militias. I don't know if the Iranian government is doing that.
I know that they say that the rockets hitting the Green Zone are 107-millimeter rockets that are made in Iran. I know they say the deadliest weapon used against U.S. troops are the EFPs, and those are deadly. But do you really go and invade the neighboring country of the unstable nation that you're already in?
BILL MOYERS: But do you, as a reporter, find evidence of mischief on the part of Iran?
LEILA FADEL: Oh, definitely. I don't think Iran is not mischievous. I don't think the United States is not mischievous in Iraq. I think Iran has a vested interest in having a weak Iraq next to them because they did have an eight-years war with Iraq. They did have a hostile environment between the two nations. And I think it's in their interest to have some control over that neighbor. And that's what they have. I mean, they have groups, the parties that are in power are the parties that were created in their area, are the parties that thrived and fought Saddam from Iran. And so when the best friend in the government of the United States, which I explain the Islamist Supreme Council of Iraq, when Hakim is coming to the White House and speaking to President Bush but also going to Iran and speaking to Ahmadinejad and is very, very much influenced by Iran, it's really unclear what we're complaining about. I mean, we should have expected that this government would be Iran friendly.
BILL MOYERS: Here's Senator Joe Lieberman speaking on this when General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker were in town recently.
SENATOR LIEBERMAN: Let me ask you first, are the Iranians still training and equipping Iraqi extremists who are going back into Iraq and killing American soldiers?
GENERAL PETRAEUS: That is correct, Senator.
SENATOR LIEBERMAN: Is it fair to say that the Iranian-backed special groups in Iraq are responsible for the murder of hundreds of American soldiers and thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians?
GENERAL PETRAEUS: It certainly is. I do believe that is correct. Again some of that also is militia elements who have then subsequently been trained by these individuals.
BILL MOYERS: What about that?
LEILA FADEL: Well, I don't, you know, the U.S. military says that they have people in detention that say they were trained and supplied in Iran and apparently have killed U.S. soldiers. I don't know. That's what they say. I don't know that it's true. They have-- and they also, you know, they're calling these Iranian-backed special groups. The entire Iraqi government is Iranian backed. You know, all these-- they say that if the United States pulls out, Iran says they can fill the security vacuum in Iraq. That's what Iran says. And Iran says, on their side of the story when they've never admitted to being involved in these things publicly. And when you ask them about it, they say, "Well, actually the problem is the United States. They want unrest in Iraq so they'll never leave."
BILL MOYERS: So, on the one hand, Iraq is working behind the scenes to broker a cease fire in Sadr City. And yet we're, again, making Iran out to be the one behind the violence. I mean, there's a paradox there, right?
LEILA FADEL: Right. Right. I don't think Iran is nothing's black and white. I don't think Iran is the white knight or the evil villain either. I think that Iran is playing a political game in Iraq. ...
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We have no time for the truth.
We are at WAR! (Figured I would save the trolls immense time with that post).
The truth has a well known liberal bias!
Liberal AND Proud @ 1:
Thank you....now I can just skip the troll shit.
I watched this last night (TiVO is a wondrous thing). I read the blogs at least daily. (Our local paper is a McClatchey paper.)
successive american administrations are lucky, in being able to use iran as a cudgel, that the vast majority of americans aren't familiar with the background between our 2 countries.
You guys need to stop heaping praise on McClatchy. The freaking company is bankrupt.
We must bomb the supply routes and their points of origination in
Cambo...err...Iran.L.A. Confidential @ 5:
I don't get it - how does their financial status dictate the worthiness (or lack thereof) of their reporting? One could even argue the opposite: the lack of a bottom line orientation is what facilitates objective reporting.
I saw here on Friday and kept thinking; 'why don't smart people like that run for office?'.
Liberal AND Proud @ 6:
The more things change...
Blue Lensman @ 7:
good point
Blue Lensman @ 7:
Whatever
enor @ 8:
Smart people scare the sheeple. Especially if they're black.
Liberal AND Proud @ 12:
(Especially if they're black) I meant the smart people.
Thanks Bill W. Had you not posted this I wouldn't know a thing about it. She lays it all out so well. Great reporting and highly informative.
Liberal AND Proud @ 12:
People, like in 'many smart like that', one smart candidate, it seems, is not enough.
(I agree with your point.)
The scathing review Moyers gave to the ABC "debate" and political coverage in general was great too.
This interview with Fadel shows that nothing the government nor the media says about is accurate.
Leila Fadel blew me away both as an individual and a reporter. I got more real information and firsthand perspective in a single half hour segment than I could get out of a months worth of cable news Gibber-Jabber. Bill Moyers does have this nasty habit of asking a question and then letting a person take as much time as they feel is needed to answer the question . /sarc
inFADEL!
Bill Moyers just keeps turning out great programming. I have not missed a show since it returned to the air, last April.
enor @ 8:
Cause smart people are elitists who hate America. We need more AWOL coke-snorting frat-boy drunks. Rush, Sean and Bill told me so.
Max H @ 17:
Yeah, that does stick out like a swollen thumb! We don't see too many of those type of Host on network.
McCain the Liar @ 20:
"We're not hosting an intergalactic kegger down here!"
What day and time is Moyers on?
The other thing that "the media" is avoiding tell the families.
VA Confirms 18 Vets Commit Suicide Everyday
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_jason_le_080421_va_confirms_18_v...
Max H @ 17:
Thats because Moyers is the only journalist left on earth who knows how to deliver clean, clear, definitive information and isn't in it just to climb the show biz ladder to fame.
enor @ 8:
I was thinking, 'why isn't this woman in the State Dept?'
Then again, there are probably many people in the US gov't who think exactly the way Ms. Fadel does. They have to keep their mouths shut and toe the official party line.
http://www.bossip.com/15843/shady-clinton-mafia-hypocrites/
Is this Hillary Clinton's Ed Rendall priaising Louis Farrakhan?
Max H @ 17:
Spot on! I thought I knew how badly we are doing in Iraq until Leila started talking. We are truly fucked! Not only is Iran backing the Shia Badr Brigade and the Madi Militia, but also Sunnis in Northern Iraq. We are backing a government with close ties to Iran and fighting in a civil war; Condi is a cheerleader while innocent women, and children are wounded and killed. Where is her short skirt and pompoms? OMG!!!!!
Bill Moyer Journal is on .. schedule on link..
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal
Bill also alerted us..., before we had to start monitoring all of these bush un-constitutional activities
...on the that corporations
http://www.pbs.org/tradesecrets/
Annoyed Canuck @ 26:
Whistle blowers are no longer protected in our government. I would be scare, too.
pissed off patricia @ 23:
It comes on Fri evenings for me, but it can be different for most every local PBS affiliate, so you would need to check your local listings, or you can always watch all of every show online anytime.
scare=scared sorry
If Iran is such an evil doer in this debacle, why isn't the border between Iran/Iraq closed? Just exactly how many points of entry are there? Can't we spare a few thousand troops and all their fine toys to patrol that closure?
Seems pretty simple to me. Anyone?
So, is it safe to say, Iran is protecting its own interests in the Middle East, as is America?
This may be a hard question for you to answer, but would you want to live next door to a US military base (aka the-new-Iraq)? For Americans that might be warm and cozy, but for no one else.
McClatchy’s Leila Fadel Cuts Through the BS on Iraq and Iran
Remind me not to get my hair done at her place.
Bill W. @ 31:
Thanks so much. For whatever reason, I just didn't know he had a regular show. I guess I think of him as doing only specials.
leftminded @ 33:
Remember she said; it is in America's interest to keep Iraq unstable.
leftminded @ 33:
Maybe Iraq doesn't want its border sealed.
A Polk, or a Peabody?
enor @ 37:
I'm feeling a little unstable myself.
33 leftminded Says: If Iran is such an evil doer in this debacle, why isn’t the border between Iran/Iraq closed? Just exactly how many points of entry are there? Can’t we spare a few thousand troops and all their fine toys to patrol that closure?
Seems pretty simple to me. Anyone?
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Well, ya, actually, the USA must get over this walling people off mentality and start to open dialogues. Right now, we've got all these lines on our maps (which is bloody bizarre if you stop to really think about it), let's not make them all into Iron Curtains. You can't just lock everyone into cages, much as Dick Cheney would like to.
(bitter) Edwin Hussein @ 34:
I think it's safe to assume that if we Americans want to continue living the lifestyle we have become accustomed to we're go to have to stay there and be ass kicking sons of bitches as required.
This country isn't ready for sacrifice.
37 enor Says: leftminded @ 33:
Remember she said; it is in America’s interest to keep Iraq unstable.
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Right, it's the catalyst for the endless "war on terror". A neocon dream: very "1984". A new generation that can't remember a time when there was a war going on in some distant place. (I haven't read that book since high school, but... )
ysbaddaden @ 40:
It's good to see your feelings align with our suspicions.
**...when there WASN'T a war going on...
Tony Snow to join CNN!
Will the madness ever end?
L.A. Confidential @ 42:
We can beat them senseless with our tincups.
ysbaddaden @ 40:
You mean that feeling of getting up in a tower with a deer rifle 'unstable'? (For which you should seek prof. help) or that dizzying feeling when you realize this democracy is based on lies?
Liberal AND Proud @ 47:
Yes but the big question is whether a President Obama can persuade the public to let go of its sunk costs, and all the sheer stuff that represents, and move ahead in a unified way that doesn't end up tearing the nation apart. The danger is that the public will want to mount a kind of last stand effort to defend a way of life that has no future under any circumstances, and they will ask him to lead that last stand.
thepoetryman @ 46:
Seriously? Link to story?
watched the full interview, so enlightening. the interview after about religion in the public square was powerful too.
42 L.A. Confidential Says: (bitter) Edwin Hussein @ 34:
I think it’s safe to assume that if we Americans want to continue living the lifestyle we have become accustomed to we’re go to have to stay there and be ass kicking sons of bitches as required.
This country isn’t ready for sacrifice.
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Please elucidate: seems somewhat ambiguous.
There was a bank robbery in Los Angeles last week.
All we have to do is completely destroy the city, and we will probably get the evildoers !
We have to accept the collateral damage. . .
enor @ 48:
Leftminded,
You may find this interesting. Check out the video (even after the stoopid commercial).
L.A. Confidential @ 49:
We're sacrificing the country (and our financial well-being) fer chrissakes thanks to Warpig. It cost me $33 for HALF A TANK of gas yesterday; gas seems to be the only product rising in price faster than groceries.
And why aren't fuel and food considered "core" products in calculating the cost of "living"?!
Dr. Acula @ 50:
It's true, Dr. Acula. Snow will be a contributor to CNN. I saw the report at Rawstory.com
(bitter) Edwin Hussein @ 34:
Yes, Iran is acting just like...........Ronnie Raygun! He was arming insurgents (the Contras) in another country (Nicaragua) against an elected government. And -sweet irony - he financed it by having illegal dealings with ..........Iran!
Oh wait, Iran is talking with Iraq, and actually wants Iraq to be stable.......never mind.
Leslie [Bitter Elitist Hussein] @ 56:
Oy vey. From Fixed Noise to the Conservative News Network. Lovely.
This was obvious from the beginning. In the Middle East, there were four big regional powers. Turkey, Israel, Iraq, and Iran. The Turks are busy with the EU right now (aside from the ever-promised, never occuring war in northern Iraq with the PKK), so that leaves only Israel, and Iraq, and Iran.
Bush illegally invades Iraq and deposes Saddam and collapses the power that Iraq was. It was fairly obvious that another Islamic power would step in to fill the vacuum. The Shias in Iran decided to stretch their muscle (hell, it's what the US'd do in their place), and then ran into Israel.
Nowadays, the heavyweights are Israel and Iran. Neither regime is what I'd call good, and I frankly think those two are going to start something with the Army in the middle of it.
Damn. What gave Bush the idea he could go into Iraq and remove Saddam who was not ours to remove, and also had no ties to 9/11?
Dr. Acula @ 55:
Rawstory.com is reporting grocery shortages across the US, especially for rice and flour. It makes me wonder how Iraqis are doing? Since the US invasion and our continual bombing, Iraqis have seen gas prices rise from a few cents a gallon to what we're paying. There's high unemployment there--difficult to work while everyone is getting killed around you. So what are food prices now, and how accessible is food?
(bitter) Edwin Hussein @ 52:
Happy motoring, eating, sleeping, and seeking amusement as the main pursuit in life.
Oh, not to mention water, electricity, medical care...all the basics.
Enor,
You mean that feeling of getting up in a tower with a deer rifle ‘unstable’?
That's how some of the conservatives I work with see me. My views diverge so far from their fascist reality that they are convinced I want to destroy everything.
55 Dr. Acula Says:
And why aren’t fuel and food considered “core” products in calculating the cost of “living”?!
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Cuz they're luxuries. You could always walk and grow your own food. Driving to the supermarket is a privelage, not a right. Check your Constitution. (snark)
PS I really really hate people that use that "Constitution" argument, for their inane gibberish.
Ok, I'll say it: I think she's hot! (And not just because of her looks.)
61 L.A. Confidential Says: (bitter) Edwin Hussein @ 52:
Happy motoring, eating, sleeping, and seeking amusement as the main pursuit in life.
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Got it.
Leslie [Bitter Elitist Hussein] @ 60:
Guess I'd better go buy some 50 lb bags then....
Leslie [Bitter Elitist Hussein] @ 60:
What I see is Iraqi children begging GI's for a candy or sweets and their parents struggling to find anything they can.
Notice the lack of "reconstruction coverage" the Cons offer the American public?
It's because there is none. It's the law of the jungle over there.
L.A. Confidential @ 49:
Look, I understand and appreciate your point. Americans don't WANT to hear the truth. Jimmy Carter told the truth 30 years ago. Reagan unwound all the preparation in his first term, and no President corrected the error. We are where we because of that shortsidedness. The naysayers say it will take 30 years to develop alternative forms of energy. Well golly geeeee...1976 to present...isn't that 30 years?!?!
We're a country of children and morons. I've said it before and I'll say it again and again and again.
You're right about one thing...there's not enuf pain yet. We need $8 a gallon gas. We need eggs to cost $12 a dozen. Then we will face a choice...change our ways...or watch the world destroy us because there is nothing more dangerous than a wounded animal.
Liberal AND Proud @ 69:
The GOP has destroyed this great nation with their greed.
A pox on all of them, their supporters, their enablers and all those blind enuf to follow them.
Liberal AND Proud @ 69:
The world isn't going to sit by and allow PNAC to take over the world by force. If we continue down that path at some point people are going to get tired of it and we are going to get walloped.
Great interview, Mr. Moyers. AS expected of course.
Dr. Acula,
Yes. It, as you've obviously now figured out, is true. I saw the news and threw up in my mouth. Not a little, but a lot! This country, particularly the neocons coup de ta beginning with the election of 2000 has now put the finishing touches to our news media. The coup de ta is near its completion. Brace yourselves, the November election will make 2,000 look like a frat party without beer or togas.
Gonna have to plant an even bigger garden again this year.
I dont agree with her.
Iran isnt being politically playful ... the coalition between Maliki and Iran is natural. The coalition between Al Sadr and Iran is also natural. Iraq after all - NOT Iran - is the spiritual home of Shia Islam. In that sense, the Sunni are the odd man out. The conflict that exists is between the Dawa (fairly radical Shia) and Al Sadr (traditional Iraqi centric Shia). This has nothing to do with Iran.
You will never change that. And absent another Sunni strong man, you will never take power in Iraq from the Shia.
69 Liberal AND Proud Says:
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$8 a gallon is what much of the world pays now.
Che’s Lounge @ 54,
I know what I was suggesting was a ridiculous notion. If we can't effectively secure our own borders we'll never be able to in Iraq. So, does that mean we'll just go to war with Iran because that'll be easier than trying to reduce some of the Iranian influence?
Liberal AND Proud @ 70:
I see sacrifice is our societal way of life. We, and others are being sacrificed constantly. To what? Needs. Or "requirements." Time and energy to experience happiness are sacrificed by politicians in a dawn of the dead scenario. Sub-humanoid pols and throngs of useless eating zombie voters feeding on humans possesed of resources, like oil reserves and other personal property/labor.
anon @ 74:
I think she's referring to the fact that Iran has an interest in Iraq. For example: Iraq's Badr Brigade and SCIRI were formed in Iran to fight Hussein, that Hakim travels to Iran, and that Iran was instrumental in negotiating peace in Basra.