Bill Kristol: Hillary gets no respect
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In one of the odder transformations seen this primary season, some of the harshest critics of Hillary Clinton are now championing her candidacy with great gusto. Kristol seems to lead this pack of concern trolls from the vast rightwing conspiracy, but we've also seen Rush Limbaugh, Joe Scarborough,and Karl Rove among others rush to her defense. And then last month's bizarre endorsement from her once arch nemesis Richard Mellon Scaife.
In this clip from yesterday's Fox News Sunday Kristol rallies to her side saying, "She is a better candidate than he is. "
And Kristol continues today in the NY Times:
I normally don’t claim to speak for other members of the vast right-wing conspiracy. After all, we’re each nefarious in our own, individual way. Indeed, we often disagree with one another.
But I do think I can speak for most of my fellow right-wingers when I say this: We once looked forward with unambivalent glee to the fall of the house of Clinton. Many of us still do. But we also see the liberal media failing to give Hillary Clinton the respect she deserves. So, since we conservatives believe in giving credit where credit is due, it falls to us to praise Hillary.
Of course, the disdain for all things Clinton has not lessened one iota among these people. The annoying clucking sound we hear is only Republicans savoring the prospect of Democratic discord, their only real means to retaining the White House.
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Bingo.
just in time that the GOP talking heads start talking her up. Now maybe even the "uneducated" voters will pick up on this...
The "Right" wants Hillary to get the nom. because they believe they can beat her.
They fear Obama.
Ewww, if Kristol thinks you're good, you better check yourself into a mental instution! He's getting creepier and creepier...
Of course they like Clinton, she's shown she's just like them. Obama's honesty and independence, on the other hand, scares them shitless.
Kristol is on board with Limbaugh:
Screw the World! Riot in Denver!
They just want to promote disarray in the Democratic Party. The media is eating up. Despite the dissent of folks like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Thad Cochran, etc., who had vowed never to support McCain, it is the Dems who are falling apart.
More blabbering from the chickensh!t, chickenhawk, warmongering, coward. Why does this useless specimen get space?
Why are Neo-cons campaigning for Hillary Clinton?
I have to wonder whether or not the Neo-cons and the Centrist Democrats have some kind of secret power sharing agreement.
And don't the Obama supporters suck it up.
Blame her for disunity in the party that's not there, except for the most hard-core who play by repugs talking points whether they know it or not.
"So, since we conservatives believe in giving credit where credit is due..."
HOOEY. and BULLSHIT.
... no more than they believe in taking responsibility for wrongs...
A totally expected editorial perspective on the Wright speech today from Fox News: http://www.skewz.com/link/link_details/6393?section=comments
However, the comment here is interesting. Is Mr. Moody offended by Hagee's remarks about the Roman Catholic church which were much more pointed and direct? It seems not. This seems to be an example of selective outrage to advance a very specific political agenda.
Otay @ 1:
I think it's more a case of them seeing Hillary as "sensible" (see: selling out to Health Insurance interests, threatening Iran with genocide) than them trying to split the vote. In the eyes of the conservative, a triangulating centrist is far preferable than a slightly-left-of-center figure. Not to mention, of course, the fact that Obama will likely have a stronger influence on Congressional elections as the nominee.
Of course at this point, the Neutral Progressive Blogosphere™ has to keep pretending that Hillary and Obama are exactly the same people with slightly different names. Keep on reachin' for that rainbow, dudes.
I think the Repubs have given up any realistic hope of holding the White House this year. They are rallying behind Clinton because they know it will give them a better chance in 2012. One Clinton term would be more than enough to energize the right wing base like McCain never could. An Obama presidency on the other hand, would not engender nearly the same knee-jerk rage that Hillary does.
Hillary attended fundraisers thrown for her by Rupert Murdoch and was endorsed by his New York post. She attended editorial meetings with Richard Mellon Scaife and was endorsed by his Pittsbugh Tribune-Review.
Should anyone be surprised that Kristol is in her corner now?
News Corpse, The Internet's Chronicle Of Media Decay.
I like the frame you chose of Kristal to post for this entry. It looks like he got smacked in the face....not that I'm advocating violence.
Finnigan @ 5:
You mean like JFK's run, Carter's run, Clinton's run?
repugs favorite tactics are god and country, so if Obama is the candidate he will be the target of propagandizing about flag-pins, national anthems, Michelle's "anti-American" comments, Wright's "anti-American" comments, his Islamic father, his "funny" middle-name etc.
Hillary's already used to and familiar with the reichwing's tactics.
Hillary is generally considered more hard-core liberal than Bill, and less likely to compromise like Obama.
The right thinks they know how to defeat Hillary. If they can't, it's no big deal as she's really one of them. Obama, on the other hand, is a wild card. Elected mostly by small contributors, he's a danger to their way of doing business. They fear him.
Of course the reichwing also want Hillary to run so they can bring up Monicagate, and all the phony baloney scandals of the 90's against her.
ysbaddaden @ 17:
By whom? And if it's someone you know, can you ask if they've seen her voting record?
Also, again, threatening to kill everyone in Iran.
That is exactly right. The campaign that they would run against Obama will reveal them as the racist party. That will set them back even more.
bob @ 18:
Wow.. way to say the same thing I did.
Hmm maybe it's reverse psychology. They really want McCain to face Obama so they talk up Hillary expecting and getting the kneejerk reaction. Either way Bill Kristol has made an obvious statement of fact: despite a lifetime of dedication to the Democratic party she sure doesn't get any respect here.
Travis @ 20:
The Neocons call it the New World Order; the Centrist Democrats (like the Clintons) call it Globalism.
Same meaning different word.
So, Bill, was your country happier and more prosperous ten years ago than today? Yes or no?
Bill? Bill?
It was, but you weren't.
Getting to the nub of the issue, I think.
so hillary is "already used to and familiar with the reichwing’s tactics"...
then, if nothing else, i'm quite ready for some NEW trash talk...
i'm really really really sick of the clinton baggage...
A vote of support from these buttworms is like getting Hilter, Jack the Ripper and Al Capone to do tv ads for you. Sciafe has funded almost every rightwing think tank(bullshit factory) that you would care to name, the world will be a much better place when that eggsucker dies. As for bloodless bill, stay off our side ,you smell of skunk and Iam not sure which end Iam looking at. CEO
I think we easily forgot that Falwell himself came out and said only Satan himself could get a disillusioned GOP populace out to vote better than Hillary Clinton. When Rupert Murdock is throwing campaign fundraisers for her, when Rush, Coulter, and Kristol are pining for her, what the hell do you think this means? They are even having Republicans vote in the Dem primary to prop her campaign corpse up. They simply NEED her to get their voters out. Come general election every one of those @ssholes will be firmly behind McCain. They'll fabricate some reason or another...
Boy, with friends like this Hillary doesn't need enemys.
the more i see of these type of endorsements, the more i realize that hillary is our next president.
and that's not a good thing.
CEO,citizens,eyes,open @ 27:
The loser leaders that we had in the 90s are trying to cling to power through proxy.
We got poppy pulling W's strings and now we got Bill trying to rule through his on again off again wife.
Rush Limbaugh, Joe Scarborough,and Karl Rove among others rush to her defense. And then last month’s bizarre endorsement from her once arch nemesis Richard Mellon Scaife
....fearin' the black man....
It's amazing that his photogenic smile hides such egotistic evil.
We are so lucky that Cheney only has a callous smirk.
It's maddening but Clintons wins from Texas on are all from gooper mischief and Reagan racists that wont vote for her in the fall. The problem try telling that to Clintonistas. As pathetic a candidate as McCain is, he will be a favorite against Hillary.
And yes, there's always time to throw in the "liberal media" lie...
YourMom @ 33:
The man is the PR spokesperson for the Illuminati.
Name Required @ 28:
Absolutely, and I hope the superdelegates are watching closely.
If Hillary was ahead, the Republican concern trolls would be praising Obama.
It's all about sowing that discord.
moondancer @ 34:
Odd conclusion that. According to today's AP-Ipsos poll she shows a nine point lead over Obama against McCain
20 Travis
No one source, but various reviews of insider books by those who worked in the Clinton Whitehouse. Bill kept trying to reach across the aisle.
Her reputation for stubborness came from her attempts at medical reform, as well as an unfortunate secrecy. She knew her opponents would try to shoot it apart point by point if that's how she released it, but releasing it complete made would-be supporters felt ignored.
Plus like Social Security "reform" it was a lightening rod.
Haulin' Oates @ 30:
i agree!... but my comment is about your name... made me smile big...
my kids are adults now, but when growing up i would play "name that tune" with them while they were captive in the car listening to radio...
my son was in jr. high (and way more into punk than mom's rock-n-roll) when we both found out that he had thought, all that time, the name of that band was: "Haulin' Oates"... we still get a giggle out of that one...
ok... sorry 'bout the OT...
just, thanks for the funny memory...
The rightwing nut jobs know the only way McCrazy can win is if he runs against Hillary. Repugs are betting that if she gets the nod, one of the largest blocks of the democratic party will stay home and thats the black vote. She will also lose a good portion of the youth vote who will go for a third party like Nader. She will also lose a portion of the anti-war progressive part of the party to someone else. A good chunk of raygun dems will also go for McCrazy. This is the perfect storm for repugs to keep the white house for the next four years.
Kristol's an idiot & a confirmed liar! Re: HRC ~ boo frickin' hoo, besides, you don't get respect you earn respect.
The bad news for HRC, she won't get my vote. The good news, she won't need it, after hearing some right wing radio recently & limbo & hannity going after mcbush, either Obama or HRC will easily beat mcbush in the general election imo, he's that bad of a candidate!
Did I mention Kristol's an idiot.
37 YourMom
Actually Hillary has been running a very traditional Democratic run for office, winning large states strong with unions, blue collar, women and older voters.
Older voters traditionally are more reliable in turning out than the younger voters.
But she was blind-sided by states jockeying so fiercely to have the first primary and caucuses, and fully expected the nomination to wrap up well before Texas as customary.
Although Obama seems to have run a more Howard Dean 50-state approach, in many ways he echoes the Rove tactic of sweeping up a large number of smaller states.
diamondmc @ 42:
Recent polling would seem to indicate otherwise. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_el_pr/presidential_race_ap_pol...
ysbaddaden @ 9:
perhaps they would rather beat obama because he can be beat!
That these people are becoming so blatant and transparent is an indicator of how bad things are. The neo-cons have planned for Clinton to be the Democratic candidate. The fact that Bush himself tapped her as the Dem's choice should have been an alarm that the Republicans were up to something and they don't care if you know it. The supreme arrogance!
I still think they were behind Kerry's nomination in '04. Now he's tied himself around Obama's neck.
Yeah yeah, hand me my tinfoil hat and I'll wear it proudly. The only thing that will surprise me now will be if we have a President Barack Obama inaugurated in January with all this skullduggery going on.
what liberal media is he talking about? CNN? Huffington Post? FOX?
They don't want Obama to be the candidate because they can't hurl race bait at us because they'll be labeled bigots. It'll be tougher to slur Obama because one whole area of attack is out of bounds.
This clown and the entire us media should be under criminal investigation.
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But to bring it back to krystol(nacht) they're so used to using Hillary as the boogy-man, the hillarycare for example, they want to stick with the boogy-man they know, hoping that will help them retain office, or like ray gun, go directly to the people if they find themselves at logger-heads.
Obama is more like the substitute teacher who wants to be liked, Hillary more like your mom when you know you're in trouble.
She'll probably use your middle-name too
And make your name sound like a swear.
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donviti @ 2:
Don't hold yer breath
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Peter G @ 23:
right on !
Smedley Valet @ 48:
Nonsense, the 527's on both sides will be slingin' mud like at no time in history, the race issue being the main theme for reps. The internet will rule this election imo. On the up side for the dems, mcbush will lose the debates & the dems have caught up & passed the reps in the mud slingin' dept. :)
Maybe Kristol can spend some time talking about this...
The Department of Homeland Security's National Exercise Program (NEP),
the nation's overarching homeland security exercise program, will conduct a combined exercises in May 2008
http://www.fema.gov/about/training/exercises.shtm
I like to think back to the good ole days, not so long ago, when the vitriolic attacks were reserved for the right wing candidates, the neocons and their puppets. Although neither Clinton nor Obama were my first choice they are both good candidates. Those persons who delight in spewing groundless attacks against either candidate are foolish. It doesn't matter which one is the nominee if they can't rely on the support of all democrats they will lose.
Peter G @ 58:
Clinton is a great candidate
if you're Joe Lieberman
Peter G @ 45:
You believe msm polls? I am a member of a multi-racial motorcycle club with members all over the country and from what I hear, brothers and sisters will not vote for Hillary if she steals this from Obama. No democrat can win if most of the black vote stays home. Rush Limpballs knows this and that is why he is trying to get repugs to vote for Hillary. This is why the msm keeps the Rev Wright issue alive by playing off the fears of some white americans. Rove and the rightwing nut jobs know they can't lose against Hillary, but there scared of Obama.
Peter G @ 45:
Not much of a difference when you don't cherry-pick: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/
Plus, such poll numbers do not in any way refute the well thought out specifics of diamondmc's comment, as to the groups that will fall of if Hillary fanagles a win.
But that's totally unimportant. Head-to-head polls mean next to nothing with no Dem candidate getting the nomination yet (and so more division in the party), and most significantly, no running mates. Once the Dems choose, and once the running mates are chosen, THEN the head-to-head polls will matter, a little.
the Pentagon Suspended the "Military Analyst" Propaganda Program
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/message_force_multipli...
Gosh! What a shock! The right has made NO secret of the fact they want McCain to run against Hillary from day one--the geezer vs. the shrieker! They know if Obama ever had the opportunity to debate this doddering old neo-con hawk, Obama would come away the winner. Hillary cannot win, face it!!! But, let the party that picked John Kerry to run in 2004 fuck things up again!
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Peter G @ 23:
Hmm maybe it’s reverse psychology. They really want McCain to face Obama so they talk up Hillary expecting...
Hillary's pregnant?
They are so playing us and we are so buying into it...
I refer everyone to the story of the scorpion and the frog...
shiloh @ 43:
You don't have to. It's still obvious.
wobbly @ 64:
They don't have the money, due to depressed donations. to damage us, so they are hoping we damage ourselves.
So is it a trick, or a double-trick? The trick being the right supports Hillary because they actually want to run against her (and her VERY high negatives), or (double-trick) are they counting on us to think that, and they support her to drive people to Obama, because they have an ace in the hole against him that we haven't seen (don't underestimate the scumbags on the far right)? In either case, I'm just going to ignore the bastards and support the Democrats, because the G.O.P. is far, FAR worse.
Travis @ 59:
Let's see. Her voting record and stated policies are virtually indistinguishable from Obama's. I guess they're are equally great candidates.
Does Kristol masturbate after every time he congratulates himself on how clever he is?
Bonkers Hussein @ 65:
I think I know that one. A scorpion talks a frog into giving a ride over a pond. The frog makes the scorpion promise not to sting him. When they get to the other side, before alighting, the scorpion stings the frog, who before dying asks, "Why did you sting me? You promised not to."
To which the scorpion responds, "I'm a scorpion; that's what scorpions do."
The only trouble is who's really is the target of the repug's scorpion?
I don't think there playing with the Democrats nomination to influence it, but to confuse and enrage, thereby making us looked unhinged to the voting populace.
Ultimately the public is the frog.
I don’t think they're playing with the Democrats nomination to influence it, but to confuse and enrage...
Lonny @ 72:
No. Self-congratulation IS masturbation for Kristol.
to the repubes..
hillary = g.o.p. fund raising gold mine and inspiration for higher then expected
repube voter turn out. the hate hillary voters are more inspired than the
we love mcsame voters. and to all the repube talking dickheads she means
higher raitings for their rants on radio and fox.
obama = unknown charismatic candidate turning out larger crowds than ever seen
before, new and unknown voters, more money to finance campaign than
mcsame will ever hope to raise.
the repubes know they are in huge trouble when it comes to retaining the white house so being true to their nature, they are more interested in the benefit of themselves over any and all concerns. self before fellow man and country could be their motto. isn't rush living proof of that.
dennis @ 62:
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Hillary won't kick them out on their butts. They are all deathly afraid that Obama will forever destroy the fear-reality-distortion field that they use to suck the life out of us.
The republican game plan is to paint democrats are disorganized losers. So they push the notion that the democrats screwed up and nominated the "wrong" candidate. When Hillary was inevitable that meant promoting Obama. So they flooded the airwaves with jabber about how the democrats were sure to win in November, if they nominated Obama. They expected to spend all summer talking about how the democrats shot themselves in the foot, and how left-wing extremists control the party and forced a Hillary nomination.
Well, they made a bad call.
Now that Obama is inevitable they are playing up Hillary for exactly the same reason.
There is no substance here. It is all about establishing a media narrative and playing the spoiler.
Its a shame how low the republicans have sunk, actively sowing discord in the democratic party and worst part is that we are falling for it
William (The Bloody Kristol) has been absolutely wrong about everything political for the last 7 and a half years (that is only as far back as I have been keeping track). So if he says Hillary is the better candidate then that means the exact opposite. Obama is the best candidate. But we all know that anyway.
Hillary was a republican in collage and still is at heart. What better way to win than to stack the deck? So if she wins the presidency they (the republicans) still control!
What seems to be the big secret here?
Anybody with one eye and half a brain realizes that these neocon pundits are touting HRC because they KNOW that she can be beaten in the general election. They also know that Obama cannot be beaten against McCain in the general election.
quit this starry eyed astonishment that these jokers are touting HRC. GET FREAKING real!!!!!
HRC is splitting the democratic party and the repulsives know it and are using that against Obama.
Wake the hell up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get MSM out of the picture and use the net to do what needs to be done.
Unfortunately, I work around a lot of Republicans, and they feel that McCain would fare better against Hillary, and som most of them want Hillary to win. It's just more republican tampering with election and the popular vote.
it's been evident for quite some time now, the right wants hillary as the dem candidate. i've tried to discern why but i go around in circles and always come up with the obvious, she would be easier to beat in the runoff than obama. not sure what their thinking there is other than she is more vulnerable, but both are articulate and very intelligent. they would make mincemeat of mcsame and as for GW, were he in the debate, he would illustrate to the world even more that he is blubbering idiot. Papa bush and barbara, you must be proud, you've raised quite a village idiot there. the only thing i can say to that is that the acorn never falls far from the tree. right, beautiful mind barbara? or better yet, you can fool l me once, but ...well...hell, you can't fool me again. right, Brownie? and this dweeb leads the nation. no wonder we're on the verge of collapse.
So Bill Kristol give props to H. Clinton eh... HORSESHIT! I know what this is all about... It is about the neocons perception of who the dem most likely to fall to McCain would be, then prop up that weaker dem choice... It's a twofer in that if people aren't paying attention it tends to confuse and muddle the opposition strategy... FUCK Bill Kristol... IF he's for her, that's just another reason for me to view her candidacy with some skepticism.... Not that I won't go ahead and vote for her should she win the nomination. The thing is to keep ones eye on the big picture and objective which is to run the republicans out of D.C. on an electoral rail... IF we libs, moderates, independants and other progressive souls can keep that objective foremost in mind... All the rest of these neocon stratagems becomes moot and so much easier to see thru and ignore.... Just remember to vote dem in November whomever that is, and let the repubs have their little jerk circle all by themselves... That includes the GOP MSM fanbase as well...............................JD
They know they can beat Hillary, even with as weak a candidate as McCain.
Why not? She's running as McCain's running mate now. She loves the guns he loves, she loves the gas tax cut that will leave us without money for infrastructure, as much as he does. She even uses the same words that he does. Hillary Clinton is running as the democratic version of McCain, and lets face it, if the country wants to vote for a McCain, they will vote for the real deal, not the cheap immitation.
I've read these comments in awe. Come on people. Hillary is DLC. Republicans wrapped in blue and you think that they don't want her as the candidate against McCain? It's a win/win situation for them if she wins. Two Republicans running for Prez. I don't care what her voting record is. I see her public record. She lies. Constantly just like a Republican. She throws everything at her own party rival, while throwing nothing but praise at McCain. It is no wonder the "sniper fire" incident gets and got very little mention. One mustn't take that glow off the Clinton halo.
Anyone who believes a word Kristol has to say, is stupid...oh wait there are no stupid people, just misinformed. ;P
ysbaddaden @ 17:
based on what evidence
His Grandpa Machiavelli would be so proud.
... the only "groundless attacks" i've ever seen are directed at OBAMA and his backers... the clintonistas are rabid...
...
and, i always like this story:
Hey, you boys know about the frog that got ate by the eagle?
Here's this big old eagle, swooped down and gobbled up this little frog, see.
And the little frog is inside the eagle and they're way up in the air.
The frog is working his way back in the eagle, working his way back...
and he looked out the eagle's ass and says, "Hey, eagle! "
He says, "How high up are we?"
And the eagle says, "Well, we're up about a mile, two miles."
And the frog says: "Well, you wouldn't shit me now. would you?"
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/m/mccabe-and-mrs-miller-scrip...