Bill O'Reilly on Moyers / Media Reform Conference
By Nicole Belle Monday Jun 09, 2008 8:30pm
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Remember Bill Moyers' deft handling of Bill O'Reilly ambush producer Porter Barry? I couldn't wait to see how Billo would use the footage, knowing full well that he'd never allow the unedited version on his show to prove how superior Bill Moyers is--professionally, morally, graciousness, and in all other ways--to the whole of the FOXNews empire. In fact, for fun, look at the comparison of coverage of this tête-à-tête between Billo and Olbermann, courtesy of FreePress.net.
Billo can hardly contain his disdain for the National Conference for Media Reform. The concept of "media reform" being apparently a radically leftist idea that can only take shape with funding from George Soros and America-haters like MoveOn and Robert Greenwald. (Have I got all the stereotypical smears in?) His proof that they are radical leftists? Their unanimous contempt for FOXNews. (Bill, bubbeleh, NCMR wants to reform the media--obviously the biggest violators of the separation between journalism and propaganda showing up to their conference to do the kind of smear job you proved you would do is going to bring out some hostility. I wouldn't be offering you any m-fing iced tea if you showed up on my doorstep either). How can you tell that FOX News has nothing to work with? They bring out the body language expert. They actually try to claim that Moyers' was physically dominating Porter Barry by patting him on the shoulder. Scraping the bottom of the barrel, Bill.
FreePress's Tim Karr thinks he knows what scares Bill O'Reilly so much.
During his Wednesday night broadcast Bill O'Reilly called Dan Rather's attendance at this week's Minneapolis conference proof positive that the former CBS anchor was farther than far left. "These people are crazy! Crazy!" O'Reilly said of the more than 3,000 people attending the conference. "He's hanging with real nuts!"
What O'Reilly is afraid to admit is that the media reform movement encompasses everyone who thinks our mainstream media -- that means you, Bill -- could do a lot better.
Doing your job well and honestly? On Fox??? *snort*
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LOL, Oh Bill...
.. I almost feel sorry for you.
good for you moyers i enjoy the complete story not just bias sound bites
He's such a joke.
A pugilist, not a journalist. Moyers was right, of course.
Poor poor poor billo..he's coming undone
haha, billo's pissed that moyers made his guy look stupid. and said that was mean.
Bill O is just jealous because he has no nuts with which to hang. Just a sad, old worn out loofah.
Poor, poor Bill O.
I cannot believe the GARBAGE that passes for "news" on FOX. The other big three networks are corporate shills with bits of truth thrown in here and there for good measure. FOX, however, is just blatant right-wing propaganda.
I have read, however, that Rupert Murdoch is considering endorsing Obama for prez through several of his newspaper outlets. This might not be a bad thing. Right-wing billionaires put their money ahead of any ideology they may personally espouse. It's possible that Murdoch may see the writing on the wall and is expecting huge Republican losses in November. Might as well get on the good side of any future Democratic administration.
billo farther than far right........he get's to much ink he's an ass and we all know ask the woman he paid off 10mil. to shut her up......the guy is a neurotic freak
Well, I think there is a point to the shoulder touching, because I noticed it too when the video was first pointed the other day.
In a confrontation, there are personal space boundaries, and Moyers should that he wasn't afraid of being physically confrontational without being violent.
On the street where I come from, that hand would have slapped away, with a "get your fuckin' hands off me," which would have escalated things a bit.
As Moyers deftly showed though, sometimes physical confrontation is necessary, but that doesn't have to mean violence.
Civil Dissobediance, refusing to move when authority figures instruct to do so, is a non-violent physical confrontation, that too many citizens have become intimidated to use.
Should the Cheney administration bomb Iran, non-violent civil dissobediace, would be a patriotic duty.
O'Reilly wins one. He is speaking to a very ignorant audience that really has no idea. He manipulated the material he had available and concocted a position that will sell to far too many people.
Moyers made a tactical error by allowing them to have that much footage to work with.
Have been following Bill Moyers since the late 70's and he still has the goods.
I can see why the gutless MSM would not like any reform as it would take them to task
for their lack of any actual Journalism, which Mr. Moyers has in spades.
Porter is a douche.
O'riely is a douche.
And that woman is the queen of the douche.
Faux is scared and they don't know what to do about it anymore, so they turning into thumb sucking bed wetters trying to comfort themselves from the boogie-man.
F.U. O'riely, you douche bag.
If "News" has become a discussion of a touch on the cheek instead of what was said, then Fox is indeed a 'News' organization.
I tried to watch, but I couldn't. He is such a GDCSer.
he can spin it all he wants in the no spin zone. It's still spinnin.
whoa, I'm gettin dizzy from watchin that.
How come dimwit wingnut extremist Billo is always angry? Did he run out of Falafels and Loofa Mitts again?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris16.html
A propagandist complaining about people wanting to reform media. Wow.....talk about irony.
miss_kitty @ 15:
same here, I got into it about 15-20 seconds. I couldney take nay mare.
I wonder if Porter was able to get the shit stains out of his underwear. Speaking of shits stains Hi Johnny Dollar!!
lex @ 17:
sociopath..........extreme right wing nut job that will try to center alittle as ratings go down.....he's rude and a jerk
Nicole, I loved the :snort: at the end. Bill-O and all the far right wingtards are almost funny in their nastiness towards anything with the word reform in it.
I said...almost funny btw. ;)
If we put Bill O in a room with Hannity, Savage, Malkin, and the rest of those morons, I fear that the gravity of the condensed egos would be so much that a blackhole of bullshit would encompass the known universe. Talk about a spin job. Do you think he doesn't know about the raw-uncut footage of his patsy-boy getting owned during that interview?
Those who follow O'Reilly risk slipping on their own drool. How many Abe Simpson's are left in the world to watch this miserable excuse for a man? Bill Moyers is a far left lunatic? Moyers? O'Reilly, the self consumed, sexually crude, bullying, lying, kisser of Bush's butt can call a distinguished thinker, raconteur and, yes, JOURNALIST, like Moyers a kook? Surely God must be dead or He would have smitten Billo -- at least with a huge banana cream pie.
Sickening to watch how this putrid excuse for a human edits his tapes to arouse his snoddering audience.
there is a difference between propaganda and news reporting and it's time for the fcc to enforce basic standards so that propaganda mills like fox are not given press credentials.
it occurs to me that I really would like some m-fing ice tea.
Bill Moyers deserves accolades for putting it all on the table about Bill O'Reilly, Rupert Murdoch and the rest of the shills over at FOX News. His response was worth its weight in gold. And in light of what Bill had said about the patrons of Anita Baker's Concert at Radio City Music Hall and of Sylvia's, he doesn't even deserve the monniker of "puglist".
What do you call someone who beneath the scum of the sewer?
He needs to be gone. That's all that needs to be said. That man has damaged an entire generation of viewers and listeners in America with his filth. He and Rove deserve to be cellmates for what they've done.
FOX NEWS' audience is simply reflecting national trends... intelligent, informed viewers are RUNNING AWAY from the vacuous self-inflating blather that IS "THE NO-SPIN-ZONE."
BillO's presentation of this confrontation video with Moyers will only HURT him... because we've already seen the full video in context... and BillOs editing and presentation is simply COWARDLY.
They actually try to claim that Moyers’ was physically dominating Porter Barry by patting him on the shoulder.
Well actually I can see how billo and his viewers are the type to feel threatened by an older gentleman trying to offer wise advice. Hell this are wimps that are threatened by grade school children asking for the right to health care! And remember how hannity ran from those Ron Paul supporters. This is a very fearful bunch of paranoids we're talking about here, an older man putting his hand on their shoulder is probably like a giant orge charging and screaming at the average person.
Kilgore Trout @ 12:
Really?
then why was he a Bilderberger in the late 1960's and early 1970's.
Moyers is establishment. Moyers is a pressure relief valve.
They are actually afraid of Bill Moyers beating them up. That is the funniest thing I have ever heard. Notice how Billo instructs his listeners to ignore what Moyers is saying. "Don't listen to the truth, dittoheads, nothing important there!"
Morning everyone, Matt, miss_kitty and all you other regs on here.
My question for today, and apparently all over FOX (according to their web site) what is Obamas real middle name and where was he born. Also saw the good news that E.D. Hill got canned.
Does BillO really think this is newsworthy, or does he think that everything remotely involving him is news?
Do you think BillOs contempt for media reform stems from the fact that Olbermann has been kicking his ass in the ratings lately, finally surpassing him in the key demographics last week (go Kieth!)?
TimV @ 34:
mos def ... O'Rielly is looking downhill and the brakes don't work.
I like it how they identify Greenwald as the director of 'Xanadu' (?). Of course bill O'LIElly is too cowardly to identify him as the creator of OutFOXed.
O'Reilly's coverage was typical cut-and-runnery. It was actually dumber than I thought it would be.
And why does he always have that stupid body language person on?
Moyers is a gentleman and a scholar. O'Reilly is a joke. Quite a difference.
enough @ 36:
you left out moron, that's an important word in describing BillO
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ @ 32:
The bad news is Laura Ingraham is taking her place.: (
So if Bill thinks that what he does is real journalism, then how about he become the subject of some "journalism"? What about having Faux-style journalism brought to his doorstep? I am sure he would love to answer questions about why he is intimidated by an elderly Texan (Moyers) or why he hates our troops by supporting them being in an endless war. Come on amateur "journalists" of the world... ATTACK!!!
Jo @ 38:
Thats like getting rid of kitchen odors by putting the cat-box under the sink.
Does anyone have the ratings for Bill and Keith?
OMG! Last week, when you had the story for the first time, I laughed when somene commented that Bill would have the body language analyst, analyze Mr. Moyers. I thought it was a joke. God damn, Bill O'Reilly is fucking crazy or really fucking stupid. Someone should put him out of his misery. Seriously!
TimV @ 40:
Great idea. Let's see how he likes it.
I actually liked the hack-job of Bill O tonight! I was surprised when they threw in the clip of the Hip Hop Caucus President shouting down FAUX News and people in the audience getting up and pointing at those reporters! That was liberating and great! What were those editors thinking?
Seeing Bill O' overreact is priceless. He can't even take it upon himself to debate Bill Moyer's points. All he can say is "he's a loon". I say 'you're one to talk, falafal boy'.
Notice how O'Reilly's eyes look more and more crazed lately? I think he's close...
Sure was a quick cutaway on Moyer's when he started saying he'd go on O'Really's show if he'd go on his first. Got about 1/10th of a syllable into that before the cut.
If ever there was a man who personified the pot/kettle analogy, it's gotta be the black (!) dildo lover hisself.
Hmmm....
Let's put this in perspective. If you didn't know either man, which one would you feel more threatened by? Bill Moyers patting you on cheek while trying make a point, or Bill O'reilly getting in your face, yelling, pointing and pushing.
I am not sure there is anything left to say about BillO, which has not been said a thousand times before. Could you imagine having that lunatic for a father **shudders at the thought**. In this particular interlude, BillO is just doing damage control. His statement, "I think Porter handled himself very well", is probably something he actually believes - I think BillO is totally delusional. I suspect he keeps telling himself the lie, until he sees it as the truth. It is like he is marketing himself. This is not a new trait, limited only to BillO. I see it in many right-wing authoritarians (Rove is a prime example). It is why they cannot grow intelligently. They form a position, which is in concert with general, and narrow, beliefs. Then they only accept information , which fits into their position. Often it is because they cannot properly weigh the facts, and evidence, on each side of an argument.
Good one Nicolle, when you mentioned the m-fking ice tea it brought me back to the Bill Maher clip that parodied how he was trying to fit back into the black community; should have linked that as well. That was m-fking funny.
Truth B Told @ 30:
Your still here, cutting and pasting your tired argument from the last post? Get a clue...or get some new material.
Troll.
I so look forward to the justice that is about to be served. Journalists, at least the ones that style themselves professional, are absolutely dependent on access. When Senator Obama becomes president Fox News will likely have no access at all to any member of the administration. They will be reduced to whining little puppies yipping at the back of the journalism scrums, forever having their questions ignored. And that will only occur if their credentials are recognized. Joining Fox News will be a ticket to journalistic obscurity. Fox News R.I.P.
anon @ 11:
On the contrary, Moyers recorded the whole thing and allowed it to be shown in toto so that people would see the whole thing for what it was--a BS publicity stunt.
Moyers stuck to his guns by: 1) refusing to be on the blowhard's show, 2) standing up to loofah boy's errand boy, 3) treating the minion with respect while making him reveal himself to be an ass.
It was a win-win-win for Moyers.
Faux snooze people may have eaten it up, but they're brain dead anyway, so what's the loss?
O'reilley is a sinking ship and he's grasping for straws. comeupance. just deserves. sweet justice. The next headline i want to see is Liar O'reilley Canned
Did anyone notice that Bill Moyers and Dan Rather were described as "Liberal Journalists" at the bottom of the screen? Not in this clip, but when Bill O was losing his mind at the beginning of the segment. Fair and balanced my ass.
There have been many of both the right and left at these meetings.
Come on, the guy was part of the progressive changes on race and the war on poverty in the 60's Johnson administration. Was that also just a relief valve.
Tin foil much.
OH NO! Hide the kids! It's BILL MOYERS! SCARY! Ahhhhhhhhh!!!
Hahahahahahaha Comic GOLD!
These republicons are afraid of everything, poor babies.
What is scary to me is the thought of Bill'O applying a loofah to his butthole, which apparently is between his shoulders, on top of his neck. yikes!
so we saw like what, a 30 sec clip out of a 10 minute ambush?
and i love the way lufa boy gets in a plug for his book
and i think that moyers should go on lufa boys show, and just pull a donahue
just keep calling him billy throughout the interview
OMG, its the far left.
This is why Lufaboy is losing viewers to KO.
♠Bangkok-Bob♠ in Chiang Mai @ 42:
Here ya go....
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/10/olbermanns-ratings-top-oreillys/
I thought think the body language expert is full of crap. Here's why: Porter Barry comes in an aggressive way. It's a stunt. It's almost like a supposed 60 Minutes style "gotcha" where Fox News comes in and says to Bill Moyers, "You thought you were comfortable in this haven of left wing commies, we're going to grill you with the advantage of surprise!".
But when Barry comes in, Moyers breaks the next boundary of contact. Barry is trying to appear to be physically threatening. And by touching him, Moyers one ups him. It's a gesture of confidence, that Moyer's not afraid of him. If it appears as mocking, it's only because of Barry's threatening demeanor. If Barry had come in friendly, as if to say we're foes but it's just business, there wouldn't be such a disparity.
To sum up, all Moyers did was to defuse Barry's aggressive behavior. O'Reilly's clan view it as elitist, but that's only to save face where their producer was humiliated. And when you get your ass kicked after talking shit to a guy just days after his 74th birthday, yeah, you got humiliated.
Thought think, it's an expression from "1984".
So according to this lady, the touching and the hand on the shoulders is Moyers' way of saying he's superior to dog turds. How arrogant is that?
I'm dying to know whom the Falafel Guy would consider "center, or even "near-left."
"My crew felt like they were in physical danger" LOL
Did Bill send his guys to CPAC or is this just another example of "fairly unbalanced?"
Body language expert! Ha!
I wonder where Blow got the idea to do that?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/24657668#24657668
Well, firstly, I can't bear to watch the Billo clip, but I can just imagine. I've seen the Moyers clip in its entirety several times now, including Countdown's edited version from several angles.
What's so funny to me about this is that Moyers is an ordained Baptist minister. He showed that side of himself when he put his hand on the little twerp's shoulder. It's not an uncommon gesture for a minister (I grew up as a Baptist just FYI). But the right can't STAND it when religious people don't follow THEIR brand of Christ-free dogma. That they're so afraid of a gathering of real journalists to discuss media reform says so much. It's not coming from the viewers, it's from the mouthpiece itself telling them Be Very Afraid. Then the mindless demographic takes it and begins the seething process. Moyers just temporarily deflated their bubble. NOTHING is more dangerous to them than that.
Bill Moyers is a national treasure. Billo, not so much.
As for me, I will no longer characterize a person acting in a gutsy fashion as having 'cojones'. From now on, my response will be: He's hangin' with real nuts!
Does BillO ever explain why people are "nuts," or do his viewers just parrot his thoughst b/c they're afraid to admit they don't know something?
i want everyone to notice something
moyers is older than mcoldfart
age has nothing to do with one's mind
selling out to the wingnuts does
moyers for vp
Even Billo knows Fox news is not "news." It's 24/7 A Current Affair.
The only thing keeping him afloat are all the blonde bimbos on his show. Otherwise it's just a tired, grumpy sad old fart complaining about present times. Billo: "Back in my day, we didn't have negros running for president, we had old white men, and we liked it!"
Actually, I think Moyers DID dominate this creep, as is his right with 3 decades of journalistic integrity under his belt. Some pion from FauxNews shows up at of all thing a Media Reform conference to tries and ambush him???? Moyers rightfully pats the sorry bastard on his head like a truculent child and sends him on his way. BTW Moyers's entire speech from this conference is up on Democracy Now and it is OUTSTANDING!
Sad thing is I have parents who watch Bill O and believe his crap. When I told my dad last time I saw him that I liked to watch Bill Moyers he was aghast because he thinks Moyers is crazy.
Zachary B. @ 73:
Sit him down and show him the BillO tape from Current Affair. The problem is, because he talks slow and presents this meat-and-potatoes guy persona, old people tend to believe him. Show them the tape of him going ape shit over words on a teleprompter and they'll never look at him again without seeing the true Bill.
Moyers is the MAN.
Wow, that was truly nauseating.
Faux news hits a another low.
Tekras @ 74:
I'm willing to bet Moyers shows billo's segment in it's entirety and then the ambush right after it to compare on his show Friday night...Have your parents watch it with you...
Fairness doctrine. Fox owes Moyers airtime. Do it.
I agree with the very first comment - O'Reilly is becoming something to be pitied. I think he's a victim of his sycophants. That body language expert gal is hilarious.
FreeDUMB @ 79:
Unfortunately Faux is cable. Fairness doctrine doesn't apply.
ps. I cannot stand faux or any of their minions.
Fleece @ 67:
That's what I cracked up at too......"body language expert"?!! WTF is that? Do they have schools to train you on that? Is there certification saying you are now a professional analyzer of body language? LOL!! too much. F-word News will do anything to create credibility.
Years from now when more investigation into Bush/Cheney/Rove/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld etc. makes it crystal clear that these men were not just liars but murderers as well, I wonder if Billo's head will explode from his inability to process truth.
Thank you C & L for watching BillO so I don't have to. Ugh! I think he said Moyers is crazy about 100 times in that 2 minute clip, but in true blowhard FoxNews style, absolutely no substance as to why Bill Moyers is crazy. Is it his association? His body language? What is it? As we all know, absolutely nothing. Moyers is true class, an American hero for uncovering some of the most insidious and subtle forms of corruption and manipulation. His speech was outstanding, as usual. Everything I have seen him do has done has been respectful and honest.
Wow. I knew that Fox would edit, but....wow. Regard the touching, etc - it's a very crude and sneaky way to approach the exchange (as if they had literally nothing else they could cover) but I saw it as Moyers taking Porter aside and trying to explain to him, man-to-man, why BillO was in the wrong in this one. Like two guys talking in a crowd of people, Moyers trying to make sure that he always had Porter's attention.
Or, if you are a "body language expert" shill on Fox's payroll, you think it 's "rude". Blach.
Ya gotta admit it though - Porter is SCREAMING to be dominated.
Why else would he work with O'LIElly?
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O'LIElly is a man who need to exert absolute and total control over all he touches.
It's just KILLING him that the can't completely control the dialogue in this country anymore -- and FAUX News ratings are falling, falling, falling. I don't even need to mention how incensed he is over his failure to stop KO's shooting star.
He relies on ambush journalism, because the only methods he understands and can relate to, are those of a bully.
My guess is he's that way because an authority figure in his life beat the tar out of him with regularity. Very sad actually - but likely.
I am SO glad I wasn't on this guy's playground growing up.
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Poor Billo, What he is going to do once Idiot -In-Chief will be gone. Who is crazy? Put a mirror in his face. I am afraid, he might end up in mental rehabilitation institution.
Angry O'rpheus just couldn't show the the whole thing, it would have killed him.
The funniest thing is that Bill O'Reilly has the nerve to speak of "crazy" after his performance on Inside Edition.
For those who have forgotten his "we'll do it live" rant, it is referenced here.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/17/best-oreilly-tributes/
What I love is they had to carefully, carefully edit it, making sure they cut out alllll the great things that Moyers said.
But they heard it!
Are all of 0'reilly's conversations masturbatory? The end of that video was like watching a circle jerk.
This video makes it obvious why Keith Olberman has stepped over BillO in the ratings.
BillO should walk into obscuity in Crawford with Bush when GW leaves office. If Laura could stand it.
Falafels for the troops in Malmedy.
Nice of BillO to admit how easily his employees can be "physically dominated" by a pat on the shoulder.
Weak Willed Workers for BillO Unite! You can't lose your soul twice.
I heard that exchange on Democracy Now, Moyers kept asking when Murdoch was going to go on Bill O's show and tell us all when the $20 a barrell Oil is coming. Moyers was trying to give Bill O as little tape as possible to distort. Moyers was brilliant, Bill O is pathetic and weak.
Conservatism is not a suicide pact!
Billo can't stand the conference on media reform, because he knows it is targeted at people like him.
"they don't want dissent"
No BillO, thats exactly what they want, dissent against this corrupt government that you are an apologist for.
"They actually try to claim that Moyers’ was physically dominating Porter Barry by patting him on the shoulder."
I wonder how Fox will interpret the photo of Dub with his arm around Angela Merkel yesterday?
Has any show ever had a "body language expert" decipher blowhard