Gay Marriage Issue Leads to Problems Counting and Adding for McCain
By bluegal Saturday Jul 26, 2008 3:00pm
This morning on ABC's "This Week" McCain talked about "two parent families" being preferable to gay adoption.
STEPHANOPOULOS: What is your position on gay adoption? You told the "New York Times" you were against it, even in cases where the children couldn't find another home. But then your staff backtracked a bit.
What is your position?
MCCAIN: My position is, it's not the reason why I'm running for president of the United States. And I think that two-parent families are best for America.
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There are dozens of studies, including some from the American Psychological Association, showing that a supportive environment is far more indicative of emotionally secure children than the sexual orientation of the parents.
But the "gay parenting" lesson for John McCain, unfortunately, has to begin with the incontrovertible fact that a gay or lesbian couple is a two-parent family. Sigh.
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So committed to the math, McCain even went so far as to not divorce his wife until he established another marriage.
Would he take away the child of the transsexual parent who recently gave birth?
the independent maverick didn't want to answer that one why......doesn't want to alienate the evangelical demographics......
McBigot is so twisted he can't or won't answer a question straight.
eric @ 2:
OOps I forgot to add that if there is one natural parent the other gay parent would have to adopt the child.
What a bunch of gobblygook.
I would think the best thing for America is to stop killing our children in an illegal war.
Not showing much concern for the "Snowflakes," American babies in nitrogen who lose viability with each passing day. They will die without being implanted into human female hosts. Lesbians can save these precious cell-scraps.
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Why does McCain't hate single partents?
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Aren't gay families 2 parent families?
I'm confused. Screw McConfusing Alzheimer's. I can't even follow what he's trying to say.
Brad @ 8:
So can Stem Cell.
Embittered & Anti-Republicrat - Max-Hussein-1 @ 9:
You mean like the kids from his first marriage, who were raised by their crippled mother? The woman he divorced for his current wife?
Ah, now I'm just sounding bitchy.
Straight double-talk. Keep forcing him to explain himself, because he's about as clear as Ronnie Reagan without a script.
I can't wait for the debates, town hall whatevers, and honest pointed questions from anybody. Sympathy votes are his best bet.
mudshark @ 11:
That's it! McCain needs them to repair his aging brain. I'm for it.
So frustrating....does McCain NOT see he's treading water? He is going to be eaten alive during the debates, and I cannot wait. It's the Kennedy/Nixon debates ALL over again!
McCain keeps saying "two parents." Well, yeah. But he never addresses a two parent home with same-sex parents. Kids don't know the difference. They only know they have two parents who love them. It's people like McCain who denigrate their lifestyle. So screw McCain and his ilk. He'd, apparently, rather have kids stay in foster care (with the abuse that's often there) than have a kid placed with two loving parents, regardless of their sexual orientation. Oh. And McCain's such a family man. Right.
A I'm for two parent families.
Q So you say your against Gay adoptions?
A I am for two parent families.
Q Are you against Gay adoption?
A I am for two parent families and family values.
Q Are you gay Senator?
A I am for two parent families and for family values.
Q Will you answer any of these questions honestly ?
A I am for two parent families and family values.
Q Senator, your batteries are running low, are you alright?
A IIiii aammm foorr twooo parennnttt fammmmmm
Gag. I sure hope this does not become the new McCain MO; if you forget what your position is, or you do not have one, you state, "This is not why I am running for President". This sounds like Atwater/Rove 101. If you are a loser like McCain is, do anything necessary to avoid answering, lie as required, learn how to change the subject and always have your fall-back phrase ready to go ("This is not why I am running for President").
Le Anne @ 15:
if they use a YouTube format he is toast......
like the example where he said to russert i don't where got that regarding his knowledge of economics...he can get exposed big time
mudshark @ 17:
that's funny shit
2 vaginas = 1 parent, in McMath
Now McCain is looking at two parents bringing up their kids. To bad John McCain left his sick wife and kids for a much younger rich woman. Now he's all about Family Values but his own children had to grow up without their Father. Ok yes Cindy's Family gave money for John's wife and kids but John didn't even speak to his kids until they were grown adults. Now he and Cindy had kids and the so called perfect family. The harst words John McCain calls his wife aren't the Christian way man talk to their wivies. Now ask John McCain's adults kids who their voting for. Even the voters of Arizona want to remove McCain as their Senator.
What about the children you left behind, you Panamanian Bigamist?
Another example of a RICH REPUBLICAN who can't use the language, trying to PURCHASE HIS WAY INTO THE WHITE HOUSE with a well developed sense of self-entitlement.
McCain is a SELL-OUT and a PHONEY, and he thinks his military record is all he needs to get elected.
He looks like he has a ton of make up on. Check out the difference between his face and his lower neck.
Family values? Didn't he abandon his family when they needed him the most? What an imbecil!
I have absolutely no love for McCain but I think the criticism of his position on this issue is misplaced. McCain did not say he opposes gay adoption. In fact, he was given at least two opportunities to state his opposition to gay adoption but he did not do so. Instead, he stated that he favored adoption by "two parents." The religious right is probably more up in arms about his answer than anyone else. Someone pandering to the religious right would have stated in no uncertain terms their opposition to gay adoption and specifically would have stated that "two parents" meant a man and a woman.
obvious pandering to the evangelicals from the cuddly older statesman who gets a free pass so not to anger some of the senior citizens demographic.....
Le Anne @ 15:
Actually, Nixon was fairly intelligent and articulate. If they do not stack the questions too heavily in McCain's favor (they will stack it, of course), it will be a slaughter. I hope they (moderators) do little more than give them a subject, then turn them loose against each other. I really hate what most debates have become, little more than two candidates, making speeches on the same stage. A total waste of time.
"My friends, uh, well, the urge, gay marriage, the surge, obama , uh well, my friends, the surge, iraq, gays, my friend, so the surge, oh ah well lol, snicker, my friends are so the surge, gays, that oh, the surge"
~McGrampa, July 29, 2008
I love McCain's answer. Whether on not gay parents should be allowed to adopt children has absolutely nothing to do with the President of the United States. Kudos to McCain. He is the first candidate to give an honest and intelligent answer to that question.
who can honestly like this guy?
And the STUPID trolls who invade this site keep lying with the "there's no difference between McCain and Obama." This dumb lie is a cynical effort to appeal to the people on the fence who don't/can't read.
It's bin Laden and gay marriage and adoptions. Must be an election year!
Pay no attention to war, the budget , the recession, the foreclosures, the crumbling infrastructure or the man behind the curtain.
Asin @ 32:
people that want the bush permanent tax cuts and people
who wanted to go to war....with mccain they don't have to hear it was a mistake and how many innocent iraqis were killed. people that hate liberals and they can't tell you why..that's who
Y'know, he's starting to remind me of Capt. Murphy from Sealab 2021.
I sure would have liked to see Obama answer this question. Something like:
Two parent families where the two parents are the biological parents is of course the best option. Obviously that does not always work out. One parent families have shown to be challenges for both the parent and the child. Children nearly always do better with two parents all other things being equal. Now if a child is in foster care, studies show that the child has huge huge hurdles to jump to be able to lead a happy and productive life but it does happen. Studies also show that children with gay parents do much better than children raised in foster care. Why would anybody want to handicap a child just because of a ridiculous bigoted prejudice? Of course I would like to give a child the best chance in life that is possible unlike John McAsshole over here who is not sure what planet he is even on let alone what is best for anybody. Sometimes there are lines that have to be drawn where you can’t have some idiot dictating how I should feel about what is right and best for the children of this country. Could somebody wipe the smirk off Senator McGrumpy’s face over there please before I slap him.
Wow McStraight-Double-talk-express. Hell of an interview!!!
He really sounded like a robot or something xD.
Sounded like he needed to eject the "I support two-parent families and family values" floppy disk from his anus and choose from some of his others. They Include:
1. "We have won/are winning in Iraq so we can't leave."
2. "Iraq/Afghanistan border"
3. "DRILL, DRILL, DRILL MOFO!"
or (best suited for ANY situation apparently)
4. "I'm a P.O.W. If I've survived a plane crash and torture, don't you think what I'm telling you is the unfallable truth???"
And if the answer is no:
*Que MSM smear machine!"*
Ruthless People @ 34:
if mccain knows how to capture bin laden then he should challenged on it.....if you know tell the president
instead of using it for political reasons...obama should challenge that
I bet if somebody asked him if he thought he was a bad father to his children he and Carol had, would up set him. Then (if I was asking the questions) question him about being an absentee father between 1967 and 1973 (when he was a POW), that I think would make him explode.
Yeah, its really a shitty question, but no worse than some of the questions Obama is getting asked.
Is Mary Cheney paying attention? Does she care? Or is she just satisfied knowing that, because of family wealth, she's sheltered from all of this?
Left&Left @ 33:
The truth is that Obama will not everything I hope he will be. Being the President of the U.S. is an insanely difficult job. He will be forced to do things that I will not agree with. I know he will do things out of conviction that I will not agree with. Things that I will disagree with hugely, but… After what the Republicans have accomplished in the last 7 years I would never give them another chance. How could anybody want to gamble with a person who has admitted he does not know anything about the economy, and has not seemed to learn anything since he made that admission as if admitting it was all he had to do, somebody who only thinks surrender by somebody (who knows who) will end the war in Iraq, showing that he knows nothing about occupying a country vs. a real war. How could I possibly vote for somebody who has said he will do nothing about the giant huge healthcare problem that is bankrupting families because of a broken arm. So even while I know that Obama is not the second coming or their lord and savior I also realize that McSame IS NOT somebody I would every gamble on to bring this country out of the mess it has been put in by Bush and his henchmen.
McLame can be forgiven his weak math skills. After all, he was 5th from the bottom at the academy. Rumor has it that his HS record isn't exactly sterling, either.
Le Anne @ 15:
Not exactly...At least Nixon could rub two thoughts together without bursting into flames.
mcdoodoohead is the result of a failed abortion......no really.
Family Values, eh?
Preserving traditional family values and family units are important?
2 parent families are the American tradition (as long as they aren't gay families?
Didn't McShame have 2 children living at home when he divorced his first wife?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
God what a pathetic sumbitch.
jlihot @ 27:
No, McLame's just trying to have it both ways. He's too much of a coward to make a definitive statement, and hopes he can slip by with this kind of evasive crap. Of course, the corporate media will make sure he catches a break, as they always do.
When it comes to Obama, my hypocrisy meter barely registers when compared to McCain. When it comes to McCain, my hypocrisy meter seldom shuts down. I'd sure like to know what brand of denial uses.
Bajaboy @ 47:
On a level playing field I could have given McAsshole the benefit of the doubt but after the crap he hurled just about Obama's trip this past week McShame can just take it. He is a scoundrel.
Brad @ 1:
I hear you, man John McFlip is so bad of a flip flopper, he can beat the record on any slinker any where, any time and do it faster. Maybe we should nickname the guy John "Slinky" McFlip.
Perhaps McFlip has a point though...if a child should be taken away from 2 supportive adults (even if they are gay or lesbian), should we also taken away children from single parent families? Those are far more devestating than say a 2 men and 2 women who care for their child. Which leads to taken away all the children from those republican voting families (You know the types, red neck, trailer park, divorced, etc). Then we can put the children in a trully caring (ie not republican) family that actually gives a crap about raising their kids right instead of loyalty to the neonazi/fascist/communist pary dubbed Republicans.
garcia @ 26:
I've been wondering if he hasn't had some botox injections. Not a furrow on upper forehead.
McCain - he bad for saying that two parent homes are best for a child.
A mommy and a daddy - better than two mommies or two daddies, sayeth he.
McObama, on the other hand, don't want no gay marriage. Against his religion, sayeth the One.
So - two mommies or daddies, maybe - but NOT MARRIED.
Praise the Lord.
MacDaKnife @ 29:
one and a half minute speeches at that.
Debate?
that's no debate.
No more MSM/cable moderators!
grrrr.
Nice dodge, McC*nt.
You were asked a straight-forward question, how about a "straight talk" answer?
I want to preserve traditional marriage so much that I got a divorce. What a bunch of crap. Since when is "tradition" legal justification for discrimination? "Sure slavery seems wrong, but it's a tradition!"
Why ARE you running for president of the United States, Johnny?
Left&Left @ 33:
HUH?
apropos of what?
"invade?"
You mean they aren't welcome if they have some healthy cynicism now and then?
I think they got rid of anyone not Obama enamored at Huffbama Post.
(except for a few PUMA bee-atche sticklers hell bent on giving them a hard time... kind of amusing now and then too. It really sets off the super Obama crowd.
BTW, yes, I'm voting Obama.
The alternative is unacceptable.
LOL
Captain Bitter Whiner Husein Kangaroo @ 37:
ROFLMAO!
very funny.
The line forms on the left to slap him.
For the idiot king the line is on the right but I think it will just be a free for all pummeling.
ask mcBush something he has first hand knowledge about
like maybe social security he is receiving social security
payments...so he knows the system
gwen @ 56:
Hey gwen cut him a break. His ex wife was getting dumpy and was turned into a gimp. What else is he suppose to do? And please do not give him any ideas about slavery!
I'm sorry but John McCain is just creepy. He gets that disturbing half grin/half sneer on his face at seemingly inappropriate times. When he couples it with, "my friends...", he seems like some kind of Stephen King villain.
*inside mccain's noggin*
"but...but...wtf...there can't just be only two parents, isn't there a third sex in there somewhere?!?"
John McCain cares a lot about family values. When he saw the chance to trade in his own family for one valued at around $40 million, he took it.
CatAtomic @ 64:
And we have a winner!!!
I don't know if anyone else has pointed this out, but this is actually a very positive, exciting development.
A very conservative candidate, in the midst of hardcore pandering to the radical right, refuses to say he opposes gay couples adopting children.
THAT is important. We have progressed far enough for conservative candidates for President to be afraid to publicly declare their bigotry, and to refuse to publicly support the bigotry of the radical right.
Watching "Maverick" McCain squirm here while attempting to cover all his bases, it becomes apparant that he and all his advisors know how much in the minority their opposition to gay rights is becoming.
Now we push all the harder and bury the bigots in the conservative movement.
Ooh, missed opportunity. George should have pressed an little bitsy more by repeating the same answer another time.
"SO YOU'RE AGAINST SAME SEX ADOPTION!"
Do we need to spell it out?
why's john mccain opposed to gay marriage?
after all, he's been married to an inanimate, vinyl blow-up doll for damn near 30 years...
This is the problem with McCain. He only cares about a few issues of foreign policy and the rest he is fine with ignoring or delegating the decision making authority to the right-wing wackaloons.
We elect presidents on a wide swath of issues and he should be willing to tell us his opinion on all of them. Whether or not he has any interest in it is not going to change the fact that his administration (god help us if it ever exists) will take action/inaction that will affect this issue.
With McCain's narrow interests, he should be lobbying behind the scenes to be secretary of defense or the joint chiefs of staff, not president.
I suppose Grampa McCain is okay with children being adopted by a drug addict. After all, his thieving, drug-addict wife was allowed to adopt theirs.
Yeah, I mean, if you only have one parent it's not like you can grow up and run for president...oh...wait, isn't Obama a child from a one parent home?
'History is the language in which the dead speak to the deaf' or as McNasty would say "make mine a cheesy one"
Republicans like McCain and other publicity hounds like the FRC Xtian freaks get their panties in a twist over topics that dont concern politicos.
They keep obfuscating and dragging it out to play to keep their control freak bases amused and outraged.
Its been proven time and time again that a caring family of any description is good for children,
and civil rights should allow pretty much anything to count as a family unit in the US.
he muttered the words "Family Values" multiple times.
remember who harped on "Family Values" during his campaign in 1992? George H. W. Bush #41
so McCain = Bush, even the other Bush at times
I say theres nothing wrong with two upstanding fine log cabin republicans having a keen interest in interns and wrestling.
McCain should be ashamed of himself for dragging his party's people through the mud yet again.
McCain is definitely off some of the Repug's Festivus Holiday card list now.
This son of a b is Mister family values. He dumped his first wife after meeting Cindy, so much for the "in sickness and in health", "till death do us part" and "what God has put together" stuff in his wedding vows. McPuke indeed!
Brad @ 1:
On Sesame Street they have a word staring with 'B' that describes that.
I wonder if the FRC and the other xtain Repugs realize they chose an adulterer, bigamist, and wife children abandoner as their POTUS candidate,
and will they tell the average redneck midwest voter before November their choice !?
I suppose dog cruelty, cross dressing and donut addiction are worse crimes to the Repugs.
So they chose McPerfect to go forth and multiply.
bullfrog @ 68:
Why is Obama opposed to gay marriage?
Against his religion, sayeth he.
Brad @ 1:
Smart response there! (No need to follow-up)
We must be entirely vigilant as concerns these 'Rovian' tactics in this year's Presidential election campaign, lest we become beguiled yet once more by the 'sheepless' electorate. Encourage each and every BUG with a voting card, even (or work to obtain one for them), to emerge from the woodwork and vote solidly against such "Florida 'Resthaven' voters" who might otherwise tip the balance in such an important and defining election in our dear ol' USA's campaign to 'show or shame the world' in '08! Git em out- do your part!!!
CowBoy Bob in Austin @ 24:
Will he become the king of the asylum???
only time will tell...
Not to mention that a heterosexual married family that has lost a parent by death abandonment or divorce becomes a one parent family.
And of course there are the very heterosexual single parent "welfare mothers!"
I guess then McCain thinks it is laudable, for a father to impregnate his daughter. As long as he continues to act has her "husband", they are a two parent family, and therefore to be honored as best for America.
It is sickening to see how quickly and easily the Republicans could find a stupider meaner minded more shallow candidate that Bush. But this time around there are more voters paying attention to just how duffus their politicians are.
McCain is a shining example (or more accurately a very tarnished example) of just how much mental/psychological damage is done to victims of torture (including rape) for the entirety of their life times.
"Problems Counting and Adding for McCain"
What else would you expect from an addle-minded old man?
Come on, the guy is older and less mentally adept than Reagan was in his first term.
ElleninBigD @ 16:
Wait a sec...I dislike McCain as much as the next guy, but in all fairmess..being that he is flailing (and failing) desperately to appeal to the evangelical wingnuts out there, this was a perfect opportunity for him to gay bash. What he did was clumsily attempt to side-step the question. He was handed a proverbial hammer with which to come out and openly attack gay americans, something that 9 out of 10 right wingers would gladly do, he opted to squirm out of the situation without really taking a stance, only to state that "two parents are better than one". Now, maybe I'm missing something, but the way I see it, he did NOT take issue with the same sex parent issue...so why are you all going after him for it. There are so many hundreds of other reasons to hate this guy, you don't need to set up straw man issues that the man, apparently is trying not to take issue with.
Oy, this is getting sad. His geography screw-ups were funny but counting flubs is like George Bush level retarded.
McCain is starting to remind me of Uncle Junior on the Sopranos. How long before he starts ringing the neighbors doorbell and demanding ice-cream?
You know, John Sidney McCain, the third, makes Bob Dole seem like a young, intelligent politician.
Galaga @ 84:
SO? Basically, refusing to take a stand, ANY STAND, is preferable to a candidate who IS willing to take a stand. Maybe Obama should learn that trick. If he's ever given a hard question, he should just say, "I agree with John McCain on this issue. That is not why I am running for president." It'd be a Helluva debate, wouldn't it?
Here we go again, Repubs spouting "traditional family values." Why didn't Stephanopolous challenge him by asking if, by "traditional family values," he meant staying with a spouse (same sex, of course) even after that spouse was disfigured, disabled, and overweight following an accident?
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