Jeffrey Toobin: I'm not gonna lie, McCain was "shockingly bad"
By SilentPatriot Thursday Sep 04, 2008 1:15pm
I think Jeff and I are on the same page here.
"I thought it was the worst speech by a nominee that I've heard since Jimmy Carter in 1980. I thought it was disorganized, I thought it was it was themeless, I thought it was very, very boring [...] I personally cannot remember a single policy proposal that he made because they had nothing connecting them. I found it shockingly bad."
Not only was the speech poorly delivered and mind-numbingly boring, it was without substance. Obama's speech was a generational call to arms to disaffected Americans who are sick and tired of the paralyzing partisanship and unacceptable status quo. Mccain's was boilerplate
While he tried his damndest tonight to distance himself from the past eight years, at the end of the day, John McCain has voted with George W. Bush more than 90% of the time. Hell, we have him on tape bragging about it.
It remains to be seen if the GOP can successfully convince a majority of Americans that John McCain is not responsible for the Bush/McCain legacy.
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At least Jeff has the Balls to say it. The rest sold their souls to the GOP.
C'mon SP, show some respect. I heard this guy was a POW.
McCain is going down. Hard.
o/t: There is a video on alternet.org about the hiphop republicans got physical with cenk from young turks. Go troll them, it's fun!
Also UBER problems with Troopergate!!
The hits just keep coming!
watched it in a pub last night. horribly delivered. peppered with all kinds of protests that he smiled and ignored. I know I saw two code pink ladies getting pulled out of the convention as soon as he took the stage, and a vets against McCain banner being flashed. the cameras quickly panned away from it.
all the GOP did during this convention was rally the base. they are doing absolutely nothing to reach out to moderates, independents, and undecided voters.
From Media Matters
Last week, in an apparent effort to paint Sen. Hillary Clinton as self-absorbed, the AP's Ron Fournier counted the number of times she used "some variation of the pronoun 'I'" in her convention speech. Fournier came up with 17. Media Matters checked his work, and found 21 such uses. But Fournier's point was undermined by the fact that at least 13 of those uses of the pronoun were about Clinton's support for Obama, the importance of the 2008 election, or what matters in the election.
So ... when can we expect Fournier to tally up the number of times John "cause greater than self" McCain used the pronoun "I" in his convention speech?
It's well over 100 -- and that doesn't even count variations.
Or has Ron Fournier suddenly realized that such an exercise would be pointless?
He'd be right, but you have to wonder about the timing of his epiphany.
Repeat:
It's well over 100 -- and that doesn't even count variations.
A Very Vain McCain
Shorter McCain:
I know my party has screwed the country over, but I was beat up real bad 35 years ago. Vote me in and I'll get you your war.
.... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ....
Creationist Ben Stein's character on Ferris Bueller had more pezzazz than McSame did last night.
Anyone agree ?
Anyone ?
Anyone ?
Redstate gets it right: the end was better than the middle.
LOL.
Rebutting "The Surge Has Worked."
http://bgladd.blogspot.com/2008/09/surge.html
Obama got punked by O'Reilly on this one.
Oh, don't listen to Jeffrey Toobin. He's just a tool for the 'liburl' media; he's lying, and now you're spreading his lies on the tubes!
Katie@#6
Shorter McCain:
I know my party has screwed the country over, but I was beat up real bad 35 years ago. Vote me in and I’ll get you your war.
....and perhaps YOUR son can also be captured, tortured for 5.5 years and if he lives, he may someday in the waaaaaaaaaayyy distant future, become a presidential nominee of a piece of shit party !!!
"Cut his mike...!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc
Is McCain Palin's B##ch?
Some comic relief for all of you. Cheers!
... Anderson Stupor continues the myth that Palin's speech was written 'at her hotel room' instead of the week before McCain even heard of her ...what a lying sack of $h!t ...
I knew McCain can't speak well, but I really didn't expect him to phone it in as badly as he he did. Worse -- or better, I guess -- was the almost embarrassing pans of the audience... I saw perfunctory aplause, people yawning, checking their blackberrys... very little real enthusiasm. The applause cues were so glaring, it was as if the people were standing by rote. More than once, I saw people who looked visibily annoyed that were expected to stand up yet again.
As listless as the crowd was, it's makeup was another glaring wake-up call to the country. There were two basic types of people in the audience: Young Evangelicals and Old White Men who looked like they just come in off the golf course. That was it.
I'd say anybody willing to read between the lines and pay attention to details learned everything they need to know about the GOP during McCain's speech last night.
Is McCain's personal story interesting to *anyone* anymore? If so, why? We've heard it countless times, it's old, old, old. Like McCain.
"My friends ...I went 5 1/2 years without a green screen ..."
Katie and C. Hussein
Shorter McCain:
I know my party has screwed the country over, but I was beat up real bad 35 years ago. Vote me in and I’ll get you your war.
….and perhaps YOUR son can also be captured, tortured for 5.5 years and if he lives, he may someday in the waaaaaaaaaayyy distant future, become a presidential nominee of a piece of shit party !!!
...and I'm willing to give many people many chances to share the experience right now! Or, you can go straight to Gitmo like the protesters outside.
USA #1! USA #1! USA #1!
When J Toobin speaks, people listen. Remember the EF Hutton ad?
cobsjo @ 5:
Did he have his hat strategically dipped below one eye?
Ooops!
Byebye Troopergate ....
Trooper in Palin probe tells his side
* Story Highlights
* Alaska state trooper Mike Wooten admits using Taser on his stepson, regrets it
* In exclusive CNN interview, Wooten denies drinking beer while driving his patrol car
* Wooten had messy divorce from sister of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
* Palin accused of misusing her office in efforts to get Wooten fired
Last night, on the Santa Barbara local news, (which is embarassingly bad, but), they were reporting that McCain was coming to SB to (drumroll please) discuss his experiences as a POW. Tah-dah.
They were also interviewing people about their reaction to Palin. I was shocked that some of them thought she was incredible. Shocked. One woman said she was not impressed and politely went on to say that Palin stood for everything she was against.
As to whether Palin is also coming to SB, they couldn't say. She is in "high demand" now, they reported. Ew!
I love Anderson's comment. Didn't Obama write his own speech? It is kinda hard for Mcfart to say something sincerely and effectively when they are someone else's words. Yea, if Obama is really not suitable to lead our country, but he sure knows how to keep us awake with his fabulous meaningful speeches.
Steamless, that's a great word Jeffrey to describe McCain.
Let's just hear what McSame has to say about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1Cg
Right from the
whore'shorse's mouth!Bob Scheiffer slobbered all over it. Judy Woodruff called it a great speech. 2 out of 3 PBS historians loved it (God bless Penil Joseph) David Brooks loved it. What librul media?
Heard this on Thom Hartman: Jesus was a community organized, Pilate was a governor.
the only way mcreach-around and his oligarch minions can pull a win out is if the voting machines are rigged... um... oh shit, that´s right, they are...
a vote for maccain may just forment the social unrest needed to overthrow both of these fuck-up parties... i say vote with revolution in mind... after all, it´s in the constitution...
http://www.usconstitution.net/declar.html
I disagree with TOOBIN it was..
Expectedly bad.
oops - community organizer. Hate it when I blow the punch line.
Bit of an anti-climax from the party that has always been anti-climax.
"Ba-dum-bump."
Petroleum
Palin
POW
Rinse and repeat - often.
I kept waiting for him to say, "You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"
I agree, it was bad. I tried to watch, but his heart did not seem to be in it, and I flipped around. Awkward pauses, weird gestures, it was like he rehearsed it, and couldn't remember the choreography. When he got to the POW stuff, it was more compelling, but I would bet he lost at least half the audience long before that.
The crowd seemed to be less than enthusisatic as well, given he was lambasting them for having been corrupted by Washington. And I also can't believe he's trying to take the 'change' mantra from Obama! Good luck, nothing says change like a rich, old, white man who's been in Washinton for more than 2 decades.
I remember driving to work listening to McCain on Imus who had him on all the time. He was OK for awhile but over the years I could hear his thought processes slowing down. I stopped listening any more when he actually caused me to doze off (while driving) for a second! I swear I got that same feeling last night. Bad deja vu, believe me.
Are you trying to say that someone wrote that speech?
I agree with Jeff Toobin. Honestly, McCain's a Fucking joke. Insane in the McCain Brain.
This applies to every thread on McCain's "change" garbage.
It's incredibly frustrating to me that these GOP assholes get away with claiming that they will bring change to Washington. That they will fix what's occured in the last 8 years when they broke it. I love how McCain alluded to his party's failures last night but never actually came out and said it.
The nerve of these people is disgusting. "Yeah, we know we screwed everything up, but we won't admit it. We'll still cheer Bush for the cameras though. And by the way, elect us again so we can fix it all."
I sincerely hope these lying delusional clowns get their assess handed to them in November, especially by the military voters. I can't wait to see their reaction.
I think I'm going to go over the the Obama/Biden site and donate some $$$.
Excuse me Palin's speech was riveting please give me a break, only to a brain dead redneck asshole . Oh yea their base......
Powkat @ 26:
Bumper sticker?
I also thought that the "change is coming" thing was a great play on words.
I love it when a candidate is able to make serious points in self-deprecating humor.
He delivered that line like a man who has just beer bonged a liter of prune juice.
If being a POW makes you a maverick and qualify to be President, well then we should invite all the other POWs in our country and give them all the same title and let them have a shot at the job. But I guess McCain is not sharing huh? Especially, he thinks he's the ONLY POW in our country.
McCain and his peeps had 6 months to write this speech. And this is what we got? They also had 6 months to choose a runningmate, and this is what we got?
Was that one of his 7-9 houses behind him? Would he know it if it was?
And if I'm not allowed to download songs without permission, why can McCain do that? Jackson Browne and the Wilson sisters aren't too happy with him or Palin.
I love the way he begins with " I'm not going to lie.....". Well, why should you- in your role as a reporter and journalist-ever lie? Geez, these guys, given the task of "reporting" are truly sad.
Shockingly bad, yep! That pretty much sums up the whole Republican party and its platform.
Jeff Toobin tells the truth!
The third person who saw Palin's speech two of whom were leaning to Obama have come out and told me that she is what this country needs. They were quoting the talking points that she is a Governor, running a whole state and Obama has done nothing so she has the experience. I said anyone who votes Republican are electing McCain, not her, and to keep in mind that he has voted with Bush 95% of the time this year, 90% of the time since Bush took office. They then said it is the do nothing democrats that have ruined this country, look at what they have done since they got the majority, they vote with Bush too so it is unfair to make any comparison of how often anyone votes with Bush, AND they also say change.
WE HAVE OUR WORK CUT OUT FOR US! Obama has to take the gloves off and give those guys back what they are so good at handing out.
Despite all this, McCain will win your presidency.
And Sara 'VaginoAmerican' Palin will bring in the fringe ChristoFascist votes to hold onto enough Senate seats so that the next 8 years will be fillibustered into a "Do Nothing" legislature.
That is the plan.
And as a Canadian, it works out great for us!
Costly, inefficient trauma care (what you seem to think is "health care") and the deterioration of public education will continue under McCain.
Canada has 50 years of universal single-payer healthcare, and universal low-cost high-quality education -- these are the very things that convinced Toyota to locate the only Lexus factory in the world, outside of Japan, in Canada. Not even a several hundred million dollar tax exemption bribe from the USA could make them move there.
Add in a few more wars and a Republican recession, and we Canadians will be laughing our asses off as we sell you oil for $200 a barrel and water for $10 a bottle.
Thanks, suckers!
Oh, I now see he didnt actually say " I'm not gonna lie", unless I missed it. Why would crooks and liars add that bit?
Kos has a post that explains the green screen. What we were seeing was only part of a big photo of a building and the green we saw was the lawn in front of the building. Apparently it was supposed to be a picture of Walter Reed Hospital but instead it was Walter Reed middle school in north hollywood california. Oops
McCain is totally the candidate to bring about the much-needed change in Washington! He's just been waiting 25 years to spring into action!
...and they apparently made a backdrop image mistake. no, not just that it's the same green screen but they used a walter reed high school image rather than the water reed medical center one.
I concur with Jeffery, it was difficult to watch McCain for the most part with his rehashed sound bites receiving the loudest applause. It is impossible to see how a 72 yr old politician is going to illicit change, particularly from someone who is dreadfully weak in the communications department and lacking in charisma.
How it is that more people don't see this is beyond me!
I wonder if McCain has ever told the truth - outside of the Hanoi Hilton.
What was the image of the house for?
I worked an Amyway convention once and they dragged out a bunch of fur coats and jewelry and pictures of 'classy' houses to bait the punters into thinking they has a shot at the good life ... the speech (the 1 minute i could stand to watch) kind of reminded me of that ...or a really big depressing bingo-hall.
Powkat @ 29:
You are forgiven... we won't crucify you here.
masha @ 52:
R U SERIOUS? oh man!
Bob Barr wants to remove McCain and Obama from texas ballots
Bob Barr
McDuff @ 21:
And his feces were apricot.
Watching Andrea Mitchell drown in balloons was funny as hell. Of course after that speech anything moving would be entertaining.
I think that the only person that should be pleased/pissed is the person who wrote her speech and, after all the Palin love, lives in anonymity.
Didn't Peggy Noonan write all the speeches of the actor Ronny Reagan?
He was definitely making a well-crafted attempt to corner the zombie vote.
And, you know, I think he got it!
i kind of liked the speech... like a car crash that you dont want to see but you can´t look away... i enjoy rubbernecking the crash and burn...
Dear John, when you give a speech it helps if you have a point. A series of disjointed stammerings punctuated by a grimace trying to pass as a smile endears no one. Also what's with the winking? You winked at someone or something constantly. Did you have a hot date lined up?
Anyway promising to start a jobs program and pay the lost wages of people forced to change jobs wasn't bad, but, how do you plan on paying for it? What with all the tax cuts and all.
A little OT, but perhaps of interest (currently making it's way around Facebook):
ABOUT SARAH PALIN
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cobsjo @ 58:
Sarah Palin's speech had no point either. I don't know what they're raving about, other than the fact that she's a competent (albeit unspectacular) speaker, and is capable of lying with some conviction. Maybe they're just excited that a Republican can talk without saying "subliminable".
Ian @ 65---this is an excellent, though long, piece an worth reading when people have time.
What were the books that Sarah wanted to ban?
As a writer and a free thinker... that's an automatic no-no in my book. (Oh look, a pun!)
cg @ 67:
This is also a great point but I think it was so much better than the ones from the clowns before her, and the bar had been lowered for the newcomer, it appeared to be better than it was.
barkin @ 66:
this has been debunked... texas will extend the deadline because the nominations came soo late...
Jeffrey Toobin was suppose to be on Imus this morning and didn't show up or even call.
He is a lefty and another of those that love Obama/Biden.
This is ridiculous. Even if Obama wins the Nation is already in the toilet and he will not get us out.
Keep it up Toobin. You will be gone too.
F*** Jeff Toobin. He's a partisan hack. And he works out like a girl. Used to see him in my gym in NYC, tight fem workout pants and a totally lame work ethic. Hate this motherf'er.....
Sarah's speech was mostly smart assed barbs aimed at Obama with some of her background tossed in. It wasn't so much what she said but the snippy snide way she said it that gave the republicans collective erections.
I thought I was crazy when I first heard the talking heads say how great it was. At least someone saw it like me. I should have taped (DVRed) it for those nights I cannot fall asleep. By the way, near the end when McCain got all fired up, (well at least for him) it reminded me of Howard Dean. (Without the scream) I was worried he was going to have a stroke.
Good for you Jeffrey Toobin and I agree with you.
I have never heard such a bad speech in my life by any candidate.
Every word came out forced and superficial and for the life of me, I don't know how anyone could cheer and clap about it.
Toobin's comment was straight to the point true. Grandpa is the most boring, dumb and uninteresting political figure I have heard in my lifetime. Toobin's statement only stood out because most of the MSM has been muzzled and castrated to make this bullshit Prez race seem like it should be a contest.....they'll probably get to him too.
So has EZ shown up yet talking how mcgramps is the only one he trusts?
Peter G @ 59:
He should probably see a doctor about that.
I doubt they even processed any of the speech. They were all scoping out her tits and legs ...
73 MTM Says: I thought I was crazy when I first heard the talking heads say how great it was. At least someone saw it like me. I should have taped (DVRed) it for those nights I cannot fall asleep. By the way, near the end when McCain got all fired up, (well at least for him) it reminded me of Howard Dean. (Without the scream) I was worried he was going to have a stroke.
http://faculty.uml.edu/enelson/images/Edvard%20Munch%20The%20Scream.gif
MTM @ 73:
A stroke is scary, and didn't McCain's father AND grandfather both die of heart attacks in their SIXTIES? Palin better be a Quick Study. By the way did she really attend 5 colleges in 6 years? She must have had a busy college life--anybody out there know her? (not biblically of course!)
Says it all really. The only time McCain gets fired up is when he's talking about himself.
ysbaddaden @ 76:
I know I said this one before but....EZ come/EZ go. Sorry
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/09/04/secret-service-confiscates-boo...
More Bullshit from the extreme wing of the War Party.
Make no mistakes, anyone who believes that democrats are different beyond social issues's is deluded.
As important as our government claims our many freedoms and the fight to keep them are in the world today. We send our Secretary of State to Libya....for what...I'll answer it for ya with this equation: Condoleezza + Gaddafi = OIL!
Since sarah palin can no longer play at her rallies the Heart song Barracuda, because of their complaints, how about this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTneO6UgRuM
82 lj Says: ysbaddaden @ 76:
So has EZ shown up yet talking how mcgramps is the only one he trusts?
I know I said this one before but….EZ come/EZ go. Sorry
EZ Wider?
Roschelle @ 84:
What's all the uproar about her visiting Libya? So what?
59 Peter G Says: McDuff @ 21:
cobsjo @ 5:
A Very Vain McCain
Did he have his hat strategically dipped below one eye?
And his feces were apricot.
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Now you're just being fecesious.
Oh McCain's gonna flip!! Uh oh. McCain's gonna cancel four more interviews to punch them.
Have to agree with Jeffery. Very difficult speech to sit through. McCain has the annoying habit of changing his tone and cadence to where it sounds as if he addressing a group of teen and pre-teen students.
So many factless statement that it would be difficult to name them all. Again, McCain makes the blanket statement that Obama wants to raise taxes for all Americans which is same bald-faced lie that Republicans always drag out of the closet at every speaking engagement.....Maddening!
wxgeek @ 90:
But.....but.. McSame is a tax cutter.
Did I mention he's a POW?
McDuff @ 87:
well, she visited georgia a month before the hubub there... maybe she´s okaying another cascius belli... she is a trouble maker...
cg @ 67:
Palin's delivery was awful. For some reason I would have expected a better speech from someone with a major in communications.
Did anyone else notice the strange pause when he said, "Governor Sarah...Sarah...Palin."
I know there was some applause as he began which might explain it, but I swear, it looked to me like he actually forgot her last name. Perhaps he was going to say Pawlenti? Or just thinking, "Must. Get. Name. Right."