“The party that wrecked America”

This country doesn't deserve Obama

Let them elect Mcpain

That took a lot of confidence to agree to be on Billblows show.

john, here's the real problem with the democrat and framing the "tax debate";

republicans do NOT lower taxes, they redistribute taxes

reagan was the BIGGEST tax increaser in the history of peactime presidents, he did NOT "lower taxes", he redistributed the tax burden

first of all, democrats MUST make that clear, OVER ALL, REAGAN RAISED TAXES HE DID NOT LOWER THEM

that's the first thing, the next is obama will NOT be "raising taxes on the wealthy", that is NOT the way to frame the discussion;

he will be RE-AQUIRING the assets that were STOLEN from the middle class...get back middle class assets is NOT raising taxes.

now, the correct framing would be something along the lines;

"Contrary to republican spin, reagan raised taxes he did not lower them, the obama economic strategy will be to LOWER taxes BACK to the rates prevalent before reagan raised those taxes"

BING

the republicans will go nuts

We need Phil Donahue back on our side to even the playing field.Of course the difference would be that Phil wouldn't have to bully anyone with talking points.He'd simply have to present them with cold hard facts and watch them squirm.

To respond (without having watched yet), BillO is good at what he does. His job is to keep ratings high, not journalism. As an entertainer, he keeps people tuning in.

In America wealth is idolized, over everything else. It doesn't matter if the "work" is "dishonourable", once you have enough money, you are a superstar.

In countries where this is no aristocracy, wealth becomes the only measuring stick. Say what you want about the 'old order' and aristocrats, but they have honour. They have a code to adhere to, no matter what.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVyE5mWPpkc Maverick?

Bill's pretty full of it when he said he cut off Obama just to move things along. He didn't let him go three words without trying to talk over him. I don't think Obama got to finish one sentence. He of all people should not call Obama "glib." The man gets paid to be glib for a living. Geez, O'Reilly is a jerk. Obama was respectful the whole time and never tried to talk over O'Reilly. I don't get how he was trying to put down Obama by calling him Robin Hood. Wasn't Robin Hood the hero? When did he become the bad guy? When did we go back to wanting so much wealth in the hands of so few?

Edwin Hussein @ 12:

To respond (without having watched yet), BillO is good at what he does. His job is to keep ratings high, not journalism. As an entertainer, he keeps people tuning in.

In America wealth is idolized, over everything else. It doesn't matter if the "work" is "dishonourable", once you have enough money, you are a superstar.

In countries where this is no aristocracy, wealth becomes the only measuring stick. Say what you want about the 'old order' and aristocrats, but they have honour. They have a code to adhere to, no matter what.

The Executive branch, the House, Senate, and even the Supremes are all working hand-in-hand to turn America into their Mcmerica with the U.S.Treasury as their personal "piggy-bank". They are "all" on a roll and don't want "we the people" to upset their collective ongoing scam.

Actually the most astounding thing is how tech has gotten people to work for free. And without complaining.

So, the past 8 years of Bush tax cuts for the corporations and wealthy, how again did that benefit the middle class Orally? Oh ya, it raised unemployment, gas prices have skyrocketed, millions of home-loans defaulted and most Americans are making less now in adj. income than 2000. Ya, lets keep pushing for those tax breaks Orally!

Gwen - I know! I don't get it either. I don't trust that sleaze will give ANY money to the stock market or charity or quite frankly anything other than his own savings account.

Why do Dems stand by idly like guys respectfully waiting for a fresh pour at a wine bar while they are mocked, maligned, denigrated and Swiftboated from contention by agents of the other side?

Who really cares what that FAT HEAD BillO says? I certainly don't let it bother me, anymore than I would allow the rantings of any other DRUNKEN BUM bother me... it certainly should not bother any of us. We know these folks. They are ZEROS who have been left behind. The more educated people become, the more audience they lose. These CRETINS are clinging to a dying sect of our society... the GOP. Just take a look at any McCain gathering on the media and you will see media directors working their butts off to make it appear that he has an audience at all... the close up shots, the dark lighting of the audience so as to not make clear the DISMAL ATTENDANCE... BillO... you sir are nothing but a loud mouthed ZERO... I know it, YOU know it, and the majority of the USA who have grown tired of you KNOW IT.

How can Bill O'really be so tall, and yet such a mental midget at the same time?

Cutting taxes for 95% of taxpayers is class warfare?

Of course B.O. is in favor of a regressive tax - he made $9 million in 2006. And that was just his salary - it does not include book deals, kickbacks, insider trading, bribes, etc.

Meileen Says:

Wow that was interesting to watch. It’s strange to think that a little over a century ago investing in public projects was a sign of high status. The ideal was that wealthy individuals would invest in their community with public art, libraries, parks, etc. A sign of wealth was that you gave some of it back.

Now the rich do things like fund creationist/Christianist think tanks and con people into voting for regressive ballot initiatives they paid to have put on the ballot.

Dear Bill,

You bore me. You're predictable, often (usually) wrong, and you're a blowhard.

I shall continue to mock you and your little falafel... and wonder how it is you ever got anywhere close to a real woman.

Politically, you are a partisan hack, not a journalist. You are no more "fair and honest" than McCain and Palin are qualified to be anything but dogcatcher.

However, I do salute you for carrying the Rethuglican Party's water over the years; it must comfort them to know that you're faithful to their cause, making news instead of reporting as a true journamalist would.

To our fellow Americans who want change, please consider doing the following: each time Blowhard Bill opens his mouth, please consider giving a donation to the Obama campaign. We can call it "Channeling Hot Air for a Good Cause."

I'm Dejah Thoris and I approve this taunt, because, as a regular, patriotic American who knows that the right wing is NOT anointed by gawd, this is probably the closest I'd ever want to come to you, anyway.

garcia @ 9:

I'd like to know what Obama is trying to prove by talking to that asshole.
That old dude is so irritating! Damn!

Because even tho Billo is an assclown he is going to challenge Obama and make him answer questions that someone like olberman would not ask him, and he will also question him if he senses an inconsistancy. I don't agree with the way he handles the interview interupting him and constantly making idiotic remarks.......BUT Obama is very intelligent and handles himself well....Obama is at his best when someone infuriates him (see the clinton debates)....I personally think these interviews are way more interesting than when he was on Countdown, because Olberman (as much as I respect the man and commend him for telling the truth) loves this guy and didn't ask him any tough questions and also didn't call him on evading at least one question (mostly about the idiot Palin, that he has been avoiding to keep ridiculous things like the lipstick on a pig crap from happening).

But him being on Billo is like McCain sitting down with Rachel Maddow....I would love to see that! The only difference would be McCain would crumble (and thats why he won't talk to any real reporters!) whereas Obama has held his own and done very well.

Billo also likes "lively intrusions" of his Bill-hole.

what i find interesting is there are people/demographics
that don't want to hear both sides. there are people afraid of the truth......they might have to question their culture about an issue......if they do that they be scorned(sp). can you imagine if the court of law was managed this way where you could interrupt at will and NOT be given a chance to discuss your side/view.
i watch charlie rose and listen to npr where people aren't asked to figure out the world in 30 seconds.
his show is a trap for sound bites and editing.

This Oreilly piece of excrement; just EXUDES arrogance; when he is, in fact, an absolute nitwit.

Don't flatter yourself. I never read this site.

BillO

This is OT, but I have to disagree with your post about Biden saying that Clinton would have been a better Veep pick. The dream narrative that it would have united the party would not have been written. The stories would have been about A) whether Clinton really wants Obama to win, or does she secretly want him to lose so she can run again in 4 years without blame, B) how McCain was able to pick the right woman to solidify his base while "Obama's woman" (Clinton) hasn't quite done as good a job as "we" (the media) all thought.

Don't forget, for the media - Clinton = Drama, Drama = Ratings. We know they would talk about Clinton without ceasing, and we know that since it would be about Clinton, more than half of the stories would have been negative. Meanwhile, there hasn't been one negative word about Biden yet. And while his statements on the campaign trail haven't been covered widely by the press, he has been hammering McCain while talking to voters directly (and without drama).

Lastly, picking Clinton would have definitely stepped on his change message. I'm a HUGE liberal who is not too fond of Clinton. Picking her would have suppressed a lot of my enthusiasm for Obama; and I don't think I'm the only one who feels that way. I was joking with a friend that (as someone who originally supported Edwards, and as someone who still likes his ideas) I would have rather have seen him pick Edwards over Clinton. That would have at least brought McCain's past infidelities back to the light, and stepped over whatever "values" cred he got for picking Palin... Of course no one saw the Palin pick coming when Obama made his choice.

40 Frybread Says: This country doesn’t deserve Obama

Let them elect Mcpain

I’m beginning to feel this way, too. I don’t think America is ready for a black man to be president.

I also don’t think America is ready to really solve its problems. Americans don’t want to face the fact that we are not an honest, informed society.

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I tend to agree, but, for the rest of the planet, please fight to elect Obama.

I will still vote for Obama and campaign for him. But it just seems to me that many, many people still have not awakened despite how bad the Republicans have governed this country from 1994-2006.

Obama did great and Bill O looks like the blowhard idiot that he is. Perfect.

My co-worker who tries his best to stay out of political conversations watched this segment and approached me about it. He was upset at Billo. He felt that Billo usually fights for the ordinary folk, but in this segment he was complaining to Obama about raising "his taxes" and taking "my money" and totally ignoring the fact that 95% his viewers are the people who would benefit from Obama's tax plan. It puts O'Riley in a bad light and makes him look greedy.

I tried to watch, I really did, but Bill lost me at the point he uttered "Fair and Balanced". I cannot believe they are still pushing that lie. In his own words: "What a pinhead!" The man is pure shite, pure shite.

Oh, yeah, she also steals from charities.

Uppity Blue Lensman @52:

Howard Zinn: American Empire Is 'Crumbling'
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/98336/howard_zinn%3A_american_empire_i...

Did the Palinoids see that?

It was masterful.

I saw Bill Clinton give a speech, where he said, "I just got a tax rebate cheque of $87,000, but I DON'T NEED THE MONEY." It's true. BillO , at $10,000,000 a year, can afford to pay a fair share of taxes.

Obama did not sound good at all, but how could he have being interrupted repeatedly by Bill O.

Why any liberal candidate chooses to go on that loser’s show is beyond me. I watched Hillary on there and she sounded sooooooooooooo much better than Obama.

I’m seeing buyer’s remorse here. Obama should have picked Hillary, or Hillary should have been the candidate.

I have to resort to praying now, that McCain doesn’t win.

I have nothing against Obama. In fact, I think he is a great candidate for president. My negativity comes from the American people. I don't think we are an informed-enough society to vote for the candidate who has our best interests in mind, which in this case is Obama, IMO.

The phrase "Redistribution of wealth" that has become a staple in the Republican lexicon in its use against Obama and more broadly the Democratic Party is nonsense just on the face of it.

Guys like OReilly and Hannity whose egos are only matched by their bloated incomes want everyone to believe they're going to be suddenly poor if Obama is elected. Now while the thoughout of that is appealing, i say...hogwash! These clowns will still be raking in mid 6 figure incomes with all the niceties one could only wish to have.

I watched the whole thing up on youtube. Seriously impressive on Obama's part, I thought. Totally takes the hot air out of that moron...it's like a case study in verbal jiu-jitsu.

It is funny how all these guys talk about is what they are going to do with the money they steal from everyone. The fact is that the income tax is unconstitutional and it should be GONE, not changed.

Also I don't understand why liberals get caught up arguing about income taxes, instead of pointing out that the federal reserve pumps tons of money into the market causing inflation. That is why the dollar is worthless and the economy is terrible.

Obama is either not smart enough to know and point this out OR he is THE SAME as the other politicians. Either way, he is NOT worthy to be president.

CMINCA @ 66:

paranoia @ 54:

Unfortunately, this is how most of the Republicans I know think. They view higher taxes as a creeping socialism. They say "coutnry first", but it is really me first. We do pay a lot in taxes here in CA, (high state taxes, high sales taxes, high property taxes because of high real estate prices, high CA excise taxes on gasoline), but for the people I know, the increase in taxes might (and I stress might) mean the difference in buying a Lexus instead of a Jaguar, or buying a 500 series BMW instead of a 700 series. I don't believe in trickle-down (Reagan-Era Voodoo) economics. I care about the future of my children and this country.

Go look up Joe Biden's incredible charitable donations and then come back and let's talk about how much he cares about the future of anyone's welfare but his own.

freeman @ 71:

It is funny how all these guys talk about is what they are going to do with the money they steal from everyone. The fact is that the income tax is unconstitutional and it should be GONE, not changed.

Wrong. The sixteenth amendment to the Constitution specifically legalizes the collection of income tax by Congress. By virtue of the fact that it is an amendment to the constitution, it is in fact constitutional.

For all those who think Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama, just compare this interview with her Charlie Gibson interview. It wasn't just a matter of smoothness or practice. It was a matter of comprehension of the issues and ability to communicate them intelligently. The difference was Obama could offer substance, not just barely remembered talking points. For anyone who dismisses him as "an empty suit," you've got a poor handle on the evidence.

me to me @ 8:

john, here's the real problem with the democrat and framing the "tax debate";

republicans do NOT lower taxes, they redistribute taxes

reagan was the BIGGEST tax increaser in the history of peactime presidents, he did NOT "lower taxes", he redistributed the tax burden

first of all, democrats MUST make that clear, OVER ALL, REAGAN RAISED TAXES HE DID NOT LOWER THEM

that's the first thing, the next is obama will NOT be "raising taxes on the wealthy", that is NOT the way to frame the discussion;

he will be RE-AQUIRING the assets that were STOLEN from the middle class...get back middle class assets is NOT raising taxes.

now, the correct framing would be something along the lines;

"Contrary to republican spin, reagan raised taxes he did not lower them, the obama economic strategy will be to LOWER taxes BACK to the rates prevalent before reagan raised those taxes"

BING

the republicans will go nuts

I second that motion fellow Hartmann listener and observer of sane ideas......
The only problem is...most americans respond to "lip-stick on a pig" or who the newest kidnapped white girl is........

JK

You don't know what you are talking about. The 16th amendment, first was NEVER properly ratified, second was deemed by the Supreme Court in several cases to NOT CHANGE ANY TAXING ABILITY of the government, and even if it was valid it is NOT a law.

There still needs to be a positive law on the books to create an income tax (THERE IS NONE). And the IR Code is careful to NOT say normal Americans are LIABLE to pay this tax.

Read this site for the truth http://www.losthorizons.com/index.html.

Hey, John.

Didn't know that BillO paid attention to C&L. That makes me very proud! I have watched BillO the Clown quite often the past number of years so I can send him emails very often....I'll rattle off 3 or 4 sometimes in a single program. The Clown has read some of mine on air.

He just got to me, though, during the first night of the DNC, and I haven't watched him too much since then. I've been out of town the past week, anyway, at my sister's in Chicago, and she's taken FNC out of her cable box!

I'll have to catch up with the Obama interview next week, and perhaps start watching him again when I get home so he can feel my wrath!

When I saw the first segment I was upset, like many viewers, that Obama went on the show. All downside and if BillO doesn't behave himself everyone looks stupid. However, this part went well I though. Obama can handle himself quite well and it is a pleasure to watch someone who actually does know the facts. One point he made several times was that he was going to cut taxes for many of "the people watching this show", which is a point that needs to be stressed over and over again. The Republicans are faux populism that sits with many common folk, but the democratic party is about real change that will help the common person. The other thing he said is the tax cuts will hurt him and it was nice to here someone be honest for a change.