Blast from the Past: Rudy's new BFF Pat Robertson blames US for 9/11 attacks
By John Amato Tuesday Nov 06, 2007 3:04pm
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A while ago it was McCain sucking up to the extremists after he called them out in 2000. Rudy Giuliani, the man who has been running on a platform that consists mainly talking about the 9/11 attacks is now endorsed by a man who says that we deserved to actually be attacked. As I've said before, there is no such thing as being "too far right " in this country. I hope a reporter will ask Rudy if he agrees with Robertson's assessment and if he does not---then he should denounce this endorsement. If he's fine with it then he should explain to all NY'ers why he agrees with Robertson & Falwell's views. Watching Giuliani being introduced by Robertson says it all, doesn't it?
JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU’s got to take a lot of blame for this.
PAT ROBERTSON: Well, yes.
JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I’ll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way-all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say “you helped this happen.
PAT ROBERTSON: I totally concur. The problem is that we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. We're responsible as a free society for what the top people do and the top people are the court system.
There's got to be a huge rift forming in the Christian Conservative camp over this one . Especially---since James Dobson has already denounced Rudy.
Dobson: …and I think by your supporting Giuliani and helping to get the nomination for him, you’re about to see the contradiction of most of the things that you stand for.
Hannity: We’re friends and we’ll always be friends…
Update: Here it comes. Robertson vs Dobson: "Greg Sargent: Top Conservative Group Wants To Know: Does Rudy Agree With Robertson On 9/11?
"9/11 is what Rudy's campaign is fundamentally based on," Charmaine Yoest, a vice president at Family Research Council Action, told us. "This does beg the question -- does Rudy agree with Robertson's comments about 9/11?"
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Oh, wow... I almost forgot about good ol' Jerry Falwell. I hope burning in hell is helping him lose those extra pounds he carried around while he was alive.
doesn't it suck when a pair of dim bulbs like this say it is our fault, then cite ridiculous reasons that are wrong, get it right overall but don't really understand why?
I am so happy that dear old "pat" has destroyed his coalition today. his sheep like followers may baaaa at one another just long enough to realize the one at the head of the pack walked over the cliff and there is no real need to follow. Arkansas does Mafia. Pray to that plastic jesus and get back to us.
Jerry, when I'm in hell will you "let me stand next to your fire"?
Oh geeze, I just ate lunch, did you HAVE to post an image of the late Jerry Falwell decomposing on TV? Oh, he wasn't dead yet in this clip? Wow, coulda fooled me... next you're gonna tell me Pat Robertson was also still alive when this was filmed.
When Christian morons fight, we all win.
Typical reich-wingers....blame America first.
I doubt you could script what is going on at the moment and make it seem any more of a farce !!
Oh hang on a minute .......
A bible-thumper knocked on my door this week. I chased her and her kid off my property screaming obscenities at them both. Best damned day I've had in months!
To me, they are the enemy of the Constitution. They want to impose a theocracy? Not without a fight from this old lady.
I'll pop the popcorn if someone else will mix the cocktails. This sounds like it's going to be entertaining and with the writers strike, we could use some reality comedy.
Robertson is an old nuts case and a complete sellout.
He represents people of faith no more than Stalin represents atheists.
Nothing boosts a campaign more than an endorsement from a crazed idiot. Wonder how Rudy feels about his new BFF?
Ha, ha, did you dig this up, John? What a bizarre mating of Pat Robertson and Mr. 9/11.
I HATE to agree with them on anything, and believe me, I know the terrible destruction (both physical and mental) that their sloppy rhetoric can accomplish, but I think it's important to get to the truth of the matter before letting your partisanship get in the way (and that goes for BOTH sides), esp when us liberals (to be honest, I'm rather ashamed to call myself a democrat these days) always seem to have the truth on our side anyway.
But, just for fun, lets look at the tiny bit of truth (however unintentionally it might have been provided by them) their statements may contain: substitute 'Osama' where ever they mention God. I mean, I'm a devout athiest, so I don't think their argument makes a lick of sense anyway, but when you think realize that it was 'devout followers of god' who got mad at our lifestyle and attacked instead of god himself (or whatever), it makes a bit more sense as to how our lifestyle COULD have caused 9/11. But of course, that's just as stupid as some driver slamming into a pedestrian on the sidewalk and then saying it's their fault because they were standing there.
And of course, that leaves the comparisons to be made between Osama, the islamic crazy guy, and Robertson, the christian crazy guy, wide open.
Either way, the guy is clearly nuts, but maybe, just MAYBE he actually thinks he's doing the best for everyone.
CD @ 10:
Yay!
In Their Universe there might be a hell, and if there is these two deserve the hottest spot in the fire. They have generated more hatred and bigotry in this country than any others. (there two or three who would have been mentioned along with these guys, but they got caught either having sex with young boys or some other perverse bathroom sex act.
I wonder how much energy could have been generated from Jerry Falwell's ass fat. I guess we'll never know because you couldn't build a calorimeter that big.
Rudy's teaming up with Roberstson just proves the old adage that "Water always finds it's own level". This truism applies, as in this particular case, even to raw sewage.
Hey why worry,
Only one year left for the Bush Regime to rape and pillage any source of money that is available to rape and pillage, meaning denude every penny out of the 43 public trust funds, which are constitutionally sacrosanct. It is considered a High Crime for an administration to take money out of the sacrosanct public trust funds. The money does not belong to the United States Government. It belongs to the people of the United States.
Thats why Bush Co refers to the Constitution as that god damn piece of paper.
God knows I love conservative cannibalism. 8^P
Rusty Shackleford @ 16:
they'de need a HUGE Splatter guard, because all that ass-fat would explode.
L.A. Confidential @ 18:
As if they aren't watching what's going on in Pakistan and taking notes.
Did you know that these guys were so FUCKED UP they even opposed GAY ADOPTION OF HIGHWAYS.
I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here: If Robertson and the late unlamented Falwell are correct, God is as guilty of abetting terror as Zacarias Mussaoui and should be tried, convicted, and sent to prison in Florence, Colorado for the rest of his eternal life.
It stands to reason that, if He lifted his protective hand from the U.S. so that 9/11 could happen, He had to know in advance that 9/11 was being planned. In that case, why the hell (excuse the expression) didn't He warn us? He was obligated to do so, under the same law that Mussaoui was convicted of violating.
And if Rudy is cozying up with Pat these days, Rudy is linking himself not just to a religious hypocrite who has gotten rich playing off of the credulous, he is aligning himself with a movement -- Robertson's and Falwell's combined -- that praises, actually praises, what happened on 9/11 as the work of God!!
And one can't forget this little ditty:
L.A. Confidential @ 18:
And that's why Bush Co is an enemy of the State. Impeach 'em all!
Let's try this again....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NegMutOO3EE
We'll see. I'm undecided which Republican I want the Dem to beat in the general. Polling-wise Romney looks easier so far, but if Giuliani's winning the nod will spin off a conservative 3rd party then that's a whole different ballgame.
Didn't Rudy demand during a debate that Ron Paul apologize for saying we brought 9/11 on ourselves for our involvement in the Middle East?
gpac @ 13:
There is a book out that contains the complete text of Osama's various messages to the world (in fact, I think it's called Messages to the World or something similar). I read it. I don't remember him mentioning the ACLU, "abortionists," gays, or lesbians. He mostly seemed irked about our military presence in the Middle East and our support of Israel.
In other words, I dispute your claim that there was even a tiny bit of truth to what Robertson and Falwell said.
This should be fun to watch. At least Dobson's brood is sticking to their principles, fucked up as they are. Robertson is simply like the rest of the wingnuts: he cares far more about securing his own power than defending any purported principles. He sees Rudy as his best shot of maintaining political, social, and economic influence Period.
Patty and Gerie pass on the Al Qaeda propaganda that we somehow called the attack on ourselves, and we're the Blame America First crowd?
Off topic, but if ann colter is attempting another scam claiming to be a Christian, could she be a Dominionist since she already looks like a dominatrix?
Just not a particularly successful one.
These two old goats are "SO EIGHTIES!"
We nave recently EVOLVED into a period of NEO-PROGRESSIVE ENLIGHTENMENT. Fallwell, the Mastodon, and Robertson, the Woolly Mammoth, have their assigned positions in the great time line of human history... and should realize their MOMENT of influence and relevancy is past.
Please read the entire post @ http://www.standingbeforethefire.com, it is a bit long to post the whole thing here.
just a small sampling of Robertson’s insanity.
* Hurricane Katrina might have been caused by God’s anger about abortion
* Sharon’s stroke was because he ended the occupation of the Gaza strip, because God loves occupation.
* Islam is really just a conspiracy with the end of world domination, not a religion
* America got what it deserved on September 11th 2001 because of how secular American society has become
* Those who believe in evolution subscribe to a terrible Cult
* God told him in 1980 that the world would end in 1982.
I could go on, but I think I made the point to those who are not insane that he is insane. This is the man Rudy is proud to be endorsed by, the man that most of the republicans candidates were desperate to win an endorsement from. Maybe the media, instead of examining this endorsement so far as it affects the horse race should examine what this says about the Republican candidates, their far-right supporters, and American society as a whole.
JC @ 28:
Yep.
Flashback: Rudy Attacked Ron Paul For Blaming America For 9/11
http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/11/flashback_rudy_attacked_ron_paul_f...
Rusty Shackleford @ 29:
I've read his statements too, and you're right, he, as a figurehead, never expressly stated any of these social reasons as motivation, but rather the military and sovernty reasons you mention. But be careful in thinking that his 'messages to the world' are the same as his messages to his followers. He's not known as an Islamic fundamentalist for nothing.
Robertson vs. Dobson in custody battle over God's son.
Pass the popcorn ...
Bad link in my last post, I know, I should be more careful before posting. Here is the correct link to my blog.
Just proves again that these sickO's and FAKE Religious Reslugs are so full of hatred and bigotry to believe that the 9-11 attacks were brought on and deserved by Americans themselves.
gpac @ 35:
Are you privy to the messages to his followers that are not known to the general public?
gpac @ 13:
I am tired of all these posts that start with disclaimers... it is when someone goes "I am not a racist, however those damn dirty... "
Wow. You think the GOP might not have the political skill to hold together its coalition of fascists and religious kooks?
Looks to me like the political right is running a "anyone but Hillary" campaign.
Who thinks they'll consult with John Kerry about this?
Since Robertson continues to say that the US "deserved to be attacked on 9/11", and since he wants Giuliani as the next president, does that mean he wants an even bigger attack against the US.
And will we "deserve it" even more?
Xtian Xrazy...
Rusty Shackleford @ 39:
Nope, but I AM privy to the messages that ARE known to the general public. You are, too. I suggest you take advantage of that.
gpac @ 44:
I'm not privy to the messages. What are they? Seriously.
45 Jo Says: gpac @ 44:
Rusty Shackleford @ 39:
Are you privy to the messages to his followers that are not known to the general public?
Nope, but I AM privy to the messages that ARE known to the general public. You are, too. I suggest you take advantage of that.
I’m not privy to the messages. What are they? Seriously.
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The way things have been going with "value voters" conservatives lately, I wouldn't want be caught anywhere near their privy.
With this Rudy-Pat team I guess that God's punishment continues.
Jo @ 45:
Look at ANY video put out by Al Qaeda (not always by Osama himself) to the public. They are tomes on the importance of Islamic faith and culture all around the world, and defeating those that disagree. You don't see al-Zawahiri feeling sorry for himself because there are US troops in the Middle East and trying to forge some workable foreign policy, you see him furthering the religious Islamic fundamentalist propaganda that he knows will encite further violence against the US by his naive followers around the world.
these guys are more fucking delusional then bush and cheney. if there is a god, he would not speak thru these fucked-up hypocrits. they can't agree on what god has said, is saying and will say. if they are the mouth-pieces of god, then why is he not saying the same thing.
that's because they are delusional and making up what they want people to do, in other words, they are the fascists like hitler. they are not even good "christians".
3 Bud Says: Jerry, when I’m in hell will you “let me stand next to your fire”?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ASvrILMByQ
Jack just did a great segment on this.
gpac @ 48:
I'm supposed to be afraid of the Islamic faith? I don't think so. I fear my own government under idiot boy and his Dominionist propaganda. If he drops the big one on Iran, it's all over.
And I doubt if Osama is alive. And, there is no proof that he caused 9/11.
Isnt the bigger issue that people like him, with such deluded views aren't locked up or ridiculed? And by this I mean the irrational belief in the supernatural surveillance camera in the sky named 'god'. Oh wait, the majority of Americans believe the same fairy tale. How else do nuts like these get popular tv shows, build universities, fill stadiums, impact elections, bilk other deluded folks of their $$$, and are allowed time to spew their nonsense on your most popular tv stations...
Neanderthals
They were just talking about this on Hardball. They seem to think that the things Pat and Rudy appear to have in common is the protection of Israel and the belief that the war on terror is a religious war. Also the right wing christians just want another conservative judge on the supreme court and Rudy has promised them that. He has Ted Olson as one of his legal advisers.
gpac @ 48:
I'm sure those guys are no fans of gays and lesbians, but I see no reason to believe that gays and lesbians, let alone the ACLU and "abortionists", were what spurred them to carry out a complex, expensive, quasi-military operation like 9/11. To buy that would be to buy that they really do "hate us for our freedoms."
Sure is easier to blame 9/11 on everyone other than the guy who ignored the memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the U.S."
or better yet, how about blaming on the actual people who did the attacking? 17 Saudi Arabian pilots + 2 others.
These fantasy based leaders are so full hate they'll use any excuse to attack folks who don't kow tow to their despotism.
WHAT GOD AND RUDY HAVE IN COMMON...(TOP 10 LIST)
1. GOD has 3 letters in his name, Rudy has 3 letters in his name
2. GOD is all powerful, Rudy wants to be all powerful
3. GOD walks on water, Rudy gets scared and makes water
4. GOD wrote the 10 commandments, Rudy broke the 10 commandments
5. GOD stayed in the heavens and watched 9-11, Rudy saved the world on 9-11
6. GOD talks to Pat Robertson, Rudy sucks up to Pat Robertson
7. GOD wears a dress (and why shouldn't she), Rudy wears a dress
8. GOD approves of the gay lifestyle, Rudy would approve of the gay lifestyle if it earned him more votes than disapproving of the gay lifestyle
9. GOD is DOG spelled backward, Rudy would eat a dog raw if he thought it would get him elected
10. GODs name is hallowed, Rudy's head is hollowed
A VOTE FOR RUDY IS A VOTE FOR GOD
Don't we already know the nature of this particular beast backwards and forwards? What GOOD does rehashing this crap do for the problems we face? All it does for those who haven't gotten it by now is the same idiotic kneejerk rage, in this case against a DEAD MAN.
Yes. We know how insane they are. Like the constant deadening replay of 9-11. Fuck this.
What purpose does this serve? Huh?
Rusty Shackleford @ 56:
Okay, please actually read what I'm saying before you reply.
I agree with you that 9/11 was orchastrated due mainly to our military presence in the MidEast. But it was orchastrated by Osama, not the hijackers. What I'm saying is, it's really not a religious act, but it was sold as one to whomever would carry it out, much like how the Iraq war was sold as revenge for 9/11 to whomever would carry it out.
Science & Democracy 7 Religion 0
The earth isn't flat.
The sun doesn't revolve around the earth.
The earth isn't the center of the universe.
The earth is millions of years old.
All people deserve equality
All people deserve freedom
Governments shouldn't dictate beliefs
Then there's that whole inconvenient dinosaur thing...
Religions shouldn't control governments
Jo @ 52:
Um. The Islamic Fundies slammed a few airplanes into some of our skyscrapers a while back if you recall. It's not exactly something that should scare you into giving up all your civil liberties to the government, but I'd say it's surely something to be concerned about.
Maybe God will strick him dead for being a hater, liar, bigot and really old ignorant bastard.
gpac @ 62:
I'm not. I'm concerned that the Dominionists fundies with the help of Blackwater will install our own theocracy right here in this country. I worry more about Pat who is alive than Osama who is dead.
The caption over the photos should have read..."Dead and Dumber".
I always hoped there would be a Jerry Falwell scandal before he croaked. Leave us heathens alone. Neocons and fundamentalists want to set progress back 30 years.
Live your perfect lives and leave the rest of us alone. It's not you job to butt in to politics or other peoples lives.
gpac @ 60:
I did read what you wrote. I do understand what you're saying. I'm just not convinced of its veracity because I haven't seen any evidence to support it.
How bizarre...a conservative fundamentalist, stick up his ass baptist preacher endorsing a cross-dressing pro gay rights ex-mayor of a city that could be compared to Sodom and Gomorrah who had a coke dealer under his employ for President. All the better to follow the mentally disturbed, over-medicated dry drunk we have now who is also a pathological liar as President.
Is our country fucked-up or what???? The United States truly has become BizarroLand.
Reaction from the Orwellian neocon human-animal hybrid,
"Waaaah, Waaaah, Waaaaa-aaah!
C&L broke my beautiful memory hole!"
Guiliani/Robertson '08
;)
f the rapture bunnies and the Scofield Bible moralism
Hate to say it, Pat Robertson is right. America is to blame for the 9/11 attacks.
Look at our foriegn policy?
Not to mention that we let it happen to give us lovely things like the Patriot Act and Homeland Secuirty
Jesus Christ must be one fucked up sob if he hangs with these boys. I have listened to farts that made more sence than they do....
Hello.
Yeah, this is Jerry. I am just calling to tell you that pagans, abortionists and Liberal scum are now leading to the destruction of the United States and DON'T SAY I DIDN'T WARN YOU!
Fuck it's hot down here...
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
HELLO! HELLO!
Besides being nut cases, at least they have something else in common... they both are fixated on 9/11.
I love how Robertson excused his "concurrance" of of Falwell, he said that he had some sound coming in from his ear piece and could not hear what Jerry said. Did it sound that way to you? :-)
Pat Robertson and Guiliani deserve eachother. Two scumbags living off other people's sorrows.
Rusty Shackleford @ 67:
Then feel free to look up ANY of the videos that Al-Qaeda has put out in the past five years. They're all available online somewhere. You can do it, I believe in you.
"That's really an extraordinary statement. That's really an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because I supported gay people and abortions. I don't think I have ever heard that before and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations for Sept. 11. I would ask the Pat Robertson to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that." -Giuliani
Why is it acceptable to blame a certain set of specifics that you personally don't like? I mean, I don't like the TV show Friends, but I don't blame it for 9/11. Is that any less insane that blaming gays?
When people show you who they are believe them because that is the only time they will actually be truthful about anything. These people deserve each other and just aren't worth the time.
So... Is Faldwell, in fact, the antichrist?
I think somebody should look into that. I would but I'm left of center, so my hands burst into flames whenever I touch the Bible.
Oh well, I gotta run, lots of straight Christians to turn gay, and babies to kill!
If Clinton does it, it's morally bankrupt. If you do it, it's hunky fucking dory.
South Park did a pretty funny treatment of Robertson several seasons back about Starvin' Marvin and the Marklars, featuring Sally Struthers in a cameo as Jabba the Hut. They took things to their typical absurd limits, and it still accurately portrayed Robertson...begging money from viewers so he could build an intergalactic battle cruiser bristling with death lasers for use in anhilating the heathens and forcibly converting the Marklars.
It probably time they did another Satan story, updated to show Falwell giving Satan head, and ghoulianni and robertson in some sick, twisted relationship. It would be good to see them given the Matt Stone and Trey Parker treatment they so richly deserve.
Who are these We,We,We, that these angry white men speak of?