Hardball: Does Pat Robertson's Endorsement Hurt Rudy Giuliani?
By Logan Murphy Tuesday Nov 06, 2007 7:10pm
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Rudy Giuliani won the coveted endorsement of religious zealot Pat Robertson and on today's Hardball, Chris Matthews talked with MSNBC's Chuck Todd and Joe Scarborough about some of the insane, hateful and mind boggling statements Robertson has made over the years and what effect it might have on Rudy's campaign.
Scarborough hits it on the head -- Robertson's endorsement is like hitting the jackpot for a Republican candidate and Todd says Robertson's support for Giuliani has a lot to do with seeing the war on terror as a religious war against Islam which trumps social issues in the minds of many end timers. The threat by the far right evangelical groups to support a third party if Giuliani is the GOP candidate is very real and it's not going to go away any time soon, this should be interesting to watch.
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let's make some popcorn, sit back, relax and enjoy!
No, what hurts Giuliani is when he buys his pumps a size too small.
if pat robertson is do determined to have a war with islam, then he and all his followers just need to leave the USA and go to where the war is. robertson and his "troops" need to fight his enemies over there and not here.
the rest of us are somewhat sane and do not believe we need to condemn anyone just because they don't believe the way we do. robertson's god is evidently the most evil of all and robertson is his bowel waste.
Speaking of it have you seen who Paul McCartney's canoodling with?
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NY&last=Blakeman&first...
Go ahead Rudy. Tell Patty R. to endorse you. You two idiots deserve each other.
Gore/Kucinich/Obama/Big Bird/Anyone but a Repug '08
L.A. Confidential @ 4:
McCartney turning to the republicans?
Sheesh so much for Beatlemania
Holy shit pat hit like every right wing talking point on feminist in one sentence and he didn't pussy foot around either he went straight for the "KILL THEIR CHILDREN"...
I really don't think that this hurts Giuliani in the election. I think every other stupid thing he has done in the past and present will hurt him. By the by, I knew Chris Matthews would chime on this right away. Show of hands, who thinks Mattews should be taken of the air?
Pat Robertson's endorsement of Rudy Giuliani is the first sign that the religious right may be beginning to circle the wagons in the 2008 GOP presidential race. Despite threats by evangelical leaders to bolt for a third party conservative candidate, it appears increasingly likely they will hold their noses and support the socially liberal Giuliani. After all, the desperate state of the Republican Party gives them little choice.
For the details, see:
"Just Win Baby: The Religious Right Rallies Around Rudy."
Funny thing happened on the way to the Market. Scarborough for the past year has actually been making sense. Even someone like him hates what happened to his party. I guess as long as no dead bodies show up in your office........
Scarborough actually seems kind of ignorant here. His closing dig at Ron Paul was way off the mark. Paul may be fringe but he's not Christian-nut-job fringe. Also it seems he'd never heard the Robertson quote about the goal of feminism being to kill babies and destroy capitalism. Hasn't everyone had heard that quote?
They made a stunning couple when they held their press conference,in kind of a Bride of Frankenstien way...I actually felt kind of sorry for Huckabee.....well, they have now made their bed...and let's see what trouble is spawned...
Why would Joe have to take a cheap swipe at Ron Paul; the only Conservative running for president that makes any sense?
It may actually behoove us if Rudy gets the nomination.....he of all the crackpot republicans is actually the MOST like the chimperor........authoritarian, anti-intellectual, delusional, generally a nut..........people DEFINITELY don't want more of the same........
Even the zombies on the religious right might not be so easily manipulated in lockstep as they have been in previous years. It was one thing to get them to vote for the "Prodigal Son" the chimperor........the socially liberal guy in a dress....not so much.
V V
I don't have an opinion any more. I have crossed over to the other side of the looking glass. I am sitting here having a glass of wine with Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. We are having a chuckle. They don't get it either..
Pat Robertson... speaks for the devil and is an a$$hat!! It's all about the money for that evil ba$tard... You go, Guilli... he's one of your best friends; right up there with Bernie.
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Pat Robertson has planted the kiss of death on Giuliani's lips and his chance to be elected president. To this day I still believe Al Gore lost his own chance to be elected when he himself first began pandering to the evangelical right in December 1999. Gore lost a lot of independent voters to Nader after he did that, in my opinion.
MAtt @ 7:
Yeah, I wonder how feminism affects male feminists. Pat doesn't seem to realize there are men who support "devilish" equal rights.
Rudy is as great a FOOL as there is in politics today.
Pat Robertson is as big a FOOL as exists in ANY RELIGION ON EARTH.
TWO FOOLS will never fuse into a "state of wisdom" no matter WHO says "words" over them, and it is "not politically acceptable" to even mention the ONLY AND ULTIMATE CURE FOR SUCH FOOLS AS THESE!
Well know you know who the Bushies are going to vote for.
Rudy the Great
will this hurt Rudy....I certainly hope so..........hey has anybody seen Strawberry lately.She hurt her back awhile ago...and she's MIA..........I hope she's ok....get well soon Strawberry.
Shit, Ghouliani cheated on a few wives so how the hell can he ask me to TRUST him?
Actually, Giuliani and Robertson deserve each other.
Fucking stupid religious idiots. Perhaps if we're really lucky, the 'end times' they are so eager to bring on will end up killing only those religious morons who are wishing for it. I doubt humanity will be so lucky.
Deluded idiots.
Kill their children? Practice witchcraft?Destoy Capitalism and become Lesbians?....man o man...that guy has some serious issues.......I'm thinkin he's sexually repressed.....either that ....or he just plain old don't get ANY!....for a long,long time.
So, Pat the 'Christian' is willing to ignore the adultery, the homosexual tendencies, and the lies?
They are perfect for each other! match made in Disneyland.
"what effect it might have on Rudy’s campaign"
Are you serious?
The MSM has picked him. Done deal.
Pat and Rudy - two dirty old white bastards!!!
I don't think Republicans are sexually repressed, but I do think they enjoy sex in the can.
Robertson has to read his endorsement. Even then he says "Amayorca".
What a shower!
Rudy, Pat, Blackwater . . . a reconstructionist dominionists utopia.
Dimples @ 33:
Do you mean in the butt?
off the top, I would say the NeoCon machine is in full gear...... Pat supporting Rudy = Hillary as the next President in their sick minds
Makes me want to puke
LOL i couldnt come up with a more batshit crazy sounding quote even if i tried. This guy is influential ?
Does anyone know just what the laws are about Churchs not getting into politics?
Pat Robertson has to have broken one by now.
"That's really an extraordinary statement. That's really an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because I supported gay people and abortions. I don't think I have ever heard that before and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations for Sept. 11. I would ask the Pat Robertson to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that." -Giuliani
"Does anyone know just what the laws are about Churchs not getting into politics?
Pat Robertson has to have broken one by now."
I dont think he is doing it as his church he is doing it as an individual. That damn First amendment thing you know....
Sid @ 20:
I honestly think it was Nader alone that cost Gore dearly; not so much Gore's pandering. Nader took a lot of votes in the election; votes that NEVER would've been cast for Chimpy.
A third-party candidate in this election would most likely be right-leaning, so if that's the case then show's over for the Rudy.
Proof positive that "Jesus Boy" Robertson is as much a hypocritical conservative ho as any of 'em, happily flushing all his evangelical "values" down the toilet to show his manlove for a politician who's done nothing but reject those same "Jesus values" Robertson rails about daily. You know, those apparently now-disposable views (for Robertson) on marriage, divorce, abortion, gays, and heck, even cross-dressing. "Hello, I'm Pat Robertson. And I'm a ho." IOKIYAR.
Politics makes for strange bedfellows...I wonder who's the top and bottom in this feigned relationsip...
Methinks Rudy gave some proverbial "oral" for this kind of endorsment.
Me
Layne @ 43:
Gore had over 500,000 more votes than Boosh....that election was stolen....
why does Pat Robertson hate Mary Cheney?
ray @ 42:
Real funny.
One shall wait and see what develops but one suspects that the christian coalition will likely to self destruct over this as their "leaders" have a unholy bunfight over (if anyone) who to support or to run a third ticket.
erick @ 47:
Pat Robertson hates everybody outside his evangelical wingnut madrassa.
Sid @ 50:
You're not kidding.
January 14, 1991 on "The 700 Club" Pat Robertson said the following:
You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist.
Scarborough cites examples of extremism then says "you've got extremism on both sides". Thing is, all his examples were right wing extremism.
Prediction:
Giuliani is not going to get the Republican nomination.
But he is going to run anyway -- on a third party ticket.
A secular dick in bed with a religious ass. Get a room, funboys.
Let's see...a crazy batshit freak-o religous nutcake endorses the cross-dressing "President of 9/11". Couldn't get any worse than that!
"....and lo there will come a leader to wage war against the anti-christ that riseth from the middle east. And that leader will be a man in the countenance of a woman. A very ugly woman."
-Revelations 4:20
Layne @ 43:
As a Nader voter is time for this fallacy to die. We voted for Nader because we would have NEVER voted for Gore. If it wasn't Nader most of us would have written in someone else. Gore helped kill welfare for the poor, was a lover of NAFTA and him and his wife aren't too big on the 1st amendment, google the letters PMRC if you doubt me. Gore didn't start pandering to the religious right in 1999, he started a lot sooner. Enough of Gore the great liberal, he is Republican-lite, just like Clinton and the rest of the DLC. Time for all of them to go.
Chris Mathews with the reverse Cavuto mark! (a loaded question aimed at giuliani)
Brian @ 8:
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Yes, Chris Matthews is a moron, and I'm sick of looking at him. He's a flip-flopper too, isn't he? I mean, when public opinion was all for Bush he LOVED Bush, but now that Bush has fallen out of favor Chris Matthews proved to us what a convictionless hypocritical fool he really is by trying to look and behave like Keith Olbermann. He's too much of a pussy to be able to confront people, so he's just passive-aggressive. He and several other main-stream "journalists" deserve to never be in front of a camera again, maybe even jail time.
Matthews man crush on Rudy is horrid. "a tough, kick-butt policeman"
Chuck Todd and Joe Scarborough are some of the dumbest shits on the planet. Are you trying to say there are actually people out there who give a rats ass what they think? They're about one brain cell away from being Pat Robertsons or whatshisname Dobsons themselves for crying out loud.
Kyle @ 57:
You've got a point, and may I add it's difficult to criticize him for participating in what is humanity's best damn invention yet. Elections are nasty, brutish, and long, so a level of respect is due.
However, and with great respects to Nader, his self-righteous, unyielding, and bellicose nature is not good leaders are made of. There is one contemporary example with which we are all too enragingly familiar.
Worse, Nader's remarks about Isreal are downright creepy.
Maybe Guliani pledged support of Robertson's diamond mine operations in Africa to gain the support of the bat shit crazy Christo-fascist.
First of all, I'd like to say that Giuliani is neither pro-choice nor is he pro-gay. Once the man gets elected President, he'll be leading the campaign for the nation wide gay marriage ban just like his crackpot predecessor.
Second, did anyone else notice that the troops he sat down to share a meal with not only had empty trays but just absolutely no interest in the man whatsoever? They couldn't even feign interest for less than a second.
The CPFR
Crazy People For Rudy.
Way to spike the polls Mr. Mayor.
Oh by the way. Good you showed up for work 9/11/01.
AFTER THE ATTACK.
(whoops, this got posted in an open thread, instead of here. Oops. My bad, and a thousand pardons).
x-posted from a recent email:
I’ve been saying, (for any, and all, sundry, of those of you out there in the Peanut Gallery that have been paying the least bit of attention), for the last half year, that when it come to s/electing our next Fearless Leader to be The Next President of The United States of America, these Evangelical, Social, Conservative, haters are full of it.
They can cry, bitch carp, whine, complain and talk all the smack they want, but the fact of the matter is is that come s/Election Day 2008, they’re going to assume the position, hold their noses, bend, at the knees and hips, roll the fuck over, and vote for whatever candidate most appeals to their Authoritarian instincts.
(See: Dean, John , Conservatives Without Conscience)
And I motherfluclking guar-annnn-teeee you it ain’t a gonna be the Hillary/Osama Hussein/Breck Girl, or any combination thereof.
Period.
End of.
Robertson’s endorsement today of Rudy Ghouliani For El Herr Presidente Commandant, Fo’ Life, just proved me right.
There should be a level of personal satisfaction in that, but there isn’t.
It’s more like it makes me want to puke, and hurl mass chunks.
Preferably in Entropy’s direction.
National Elections in the USA have been completely gamed and co-opted because of the 50% + 1% = Victory Rule, that is the basis of our so-called “Democracy.”
FYI, my Liddel-Scott still translates the word: “δημοκρατία” as “Mob Rule” and that’s exactly how this s\election game in the Good Ole U. S. of A., has been, and is now being played.
By gaming the mass mob of the American people.
(Which tells me that in the last 2,500 hundred years, or so, despite all the positive PR, and spin to the contrary, we haven’t really budged an inch from our much bally-hooed, barbaric, slave-owning, Athenian roots.
Let’s not forget that our Neo-Cons, that hijacked our US Government, base their entire messed up philosophy of the Imperial America of the 21st Century on the works and Noble Lies of Plato, before you start gathering the pitchforks and lighting the torches for me saying that our way of Democracy isn’t all that and a bag of chips, m’kay?)
What the last 2 Presidential elections hinged on, and what this one coming up in 2008 will pivot on, as well, if not more so, is the fact that it is a given that 30% of all voters will always, first, last and forever, vote right wing, so to win, all you need to do *is convince only 21% of the voters* to pull the Republican lever.
That’s it.
Most of that convincing will be done next October when well over *$1 billion dollars worth* of substance free, 30 second negative attack ads go into heavy, non-stop, 24/7, MTV stylee, rotation on teh Cable TV and simply flood the airwaves and drown out any chance of having a reasonable political discourse, at the local, state and national level.
Since most Americans, (85% of us), have an IQ of 115 points, or below, and are for the most part under-educated, thanks to a deliberately bankrupted educational system, and therefore have the attention span of a gnat, these ads will be effective with at least, at a minimum, of 12% to 15% of the electorate that will even bother to show up to vote.
To get to to 51% from there won’t take very much, especially if there is some sort of galvanizing “event”, that will drive voters to the polls, as unlikely as that scenario probably is.
I mean why have mass murder of Americans committed to fulfill political ends when it’s so much easier, and just as effective, to simply just to rig a few electronic voting machines and disenfranchise some voters in states like Ohio and Florida?
:-P
Why get one’s hands unnecessarily dirty, when you don’t have to?
So, the 2008 race is going to be very, very, close, just as 2004’s was when Busch won by 50.7% of the vote, by Karl Rove’s brilliant use of most of the strategy I’ve outlined above.
And that’s the way it is.
Doesn’t matter to me who wins, I consider things way too far gone, across the board, and I’m out of here, at or around Inaugu-Coronation Day.
Rots of ruck, for those of you that choose to stick around after this coming slow moving train wreck of debacle runs its course.
~nwa
Dustin de Wynde @ 66:
May your departure be as noble as yourself and less verbose.
if I was Rudy thats one bat shit crazy mother I would not want to be associated with, On second thought it would be the same the other way around as well
here is my impression of a Rudy speach 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 bomb Iran Hillarry sucks 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11
rainman @ 69:
Now thats a bit unfair.. Rudy doesn't just say 9/11 all the time. Sometimes he even mixes it up and throws a "september 11th" in there.
you got me 69, I will try to be more fair in the future
For Christian conservatives to fall in behind Rudy shows their blatant hypocrisy. Beside, most reasonable people, even among the devout, think Pat Robertson is pretty much of an idiot, and that he gives Christianity a bad name. What's the real reason he's endorsing Guiliani? He says it's because Rudy will keep us safe from Islamofascism. That's a load of crap. These Christian conservatives are drawn to the authoritarian dictatorial type leaders. They also want a major apocalypse in the Middle East because it fits their Biblical view. They believe Rudy is the most likely to deliver given his bellicose language and tyranical nature. These people are nuts and need to be marginalized for the good of the country. The fact that any of these politicians would snuggle up to them is not only frightening, but tragic for this country. Having said that, I'm actually impressed that Brownback endorsed John McCain, someone much more reasonable and restrained.
Let Robertson endorse who he wants - he's a nut case. I can't think of ANYONE I'd rather see get his endorsement than Rudy - they deserve each other. Put him up against an Edwards/Richardson ticket and they'll mop the floor with him.
Pazuzu's Petals @ 67:
When did I say anything about me being noble?
Pfui.
I do plan to make a lot of noise on my way out, not that it's going to have any discernible impact, or change a damned thing.
I don't have access to the kind of space satellite charged megaphone that ABC/CBS/Fox/MSNBC/CNN has over the mindscape of the American Public that you need these days to get any sort of point across to people.
I've become Howard Beale after his boss at the Network, played by Ned Beatty, rips him a new one for interfering with a multi-billion dollar deal with the Saudis.
Defeatist doesn't even begin to cover where I've been at for the better part of these past two years.
~nwa
Chimpy and darth had Pat's endorsement. Didn't stop them from stealing 2 elections.
L.A. Confidential @ 6:
Not too long ago, Paul, Ringo and Yoko tried to sue Apple Computers because they "stole" the name from Apple Records. If that doesn't make it obvious that it's all about the money for them, I don't know what will.
I dunno. Many of those people are sheep in Robertson's flock... and if he says Giuliani's okay with him, they're going to immediately change their tune.
Two peas in a pod, a flip flopper with a false prophet, nothing unusal there, they fit like a matched pair of gloves...., drag queen Giuliani has as much chance of winning in general election as a snow ball in hades...., I am sure he would sell his soul too satan if he thought it would gain him votes....just as Robertson sold his soul a long time ago for his greed and prosperity preaching con game....
Let's see now.....a right-wing nutjob being supported by Herff Applewhite Jr.
Can't wait for the mothership to come down and get both of these loonies!
Come and get yer purple Nikes, folks!!!!!
This will NOT hurt Giuliani's chances. Robertson's endorsement has effectively sealed the deal for millions of non-thinking, republican Christians. Now they know that Giuliani is approved by "God", so voting for him is the expected thing to do.
How anyone can think that Robertson, the religion he espouses, and the people he supports are good is what I'd like to know. This is all being set up as the conflict of religions I've been expecting since Bush stole the presidency. In the blue corner, from the flea-infested deserts of doom - ISLAM! And in the red corner, from the sparkling, God-blessed corn fields of abundance - CHRISTIANITY!! That is what we can look "forward" to. Ugh.
agree with 80...
this really, really frightens me.
Rudy will win on fear...this country is still so afraid...and afraid of the wrong things.
Chepa shot at ron paul at the end, uncalled for, why didn't he use Huckabee instead, at least that'd have some truth to it.
Ugh. Why hasn't Robertson been brought on on charges for diamond mining in Africa?
Pat Robertson on HardBalls?
What a shame, to be born again and still not have a brain.
JohnnyThief @ 83:
Whaaa? I haven't heard about this?!
This is such a joke! Pat Robertson is such a crazed maniac, getting his endorsement is equal to having Brittany Spears come out for Giuliani! To anyone who is impressed by Robertson, I feel very sorry for their supreme ignorance!
The only hope Rudy had to win the support of Bible belt voters in the South was an endorsement from the biggest, most influential, most powerful Evangelical con man in the entire country. Rudy is rejoicing today and giving thanks to Jeezus.
Remember how a year ago or so pundits were falling all over themselves to declare that Pat Robertson was no longer relevant to conservatives and evangelicals when he made another one of his insane statements? But apparently the nut is still important enough that his endorsement means something to them.
mrogi @ 88:
mrogi...it's spelt Jeeeebus!
THE NEW AXIS OF EVIL: MATTHEWS, RUSSERT, AND WILLIAMS ......... below is another post by THE DAILY HOWLER who is doing his best to expose, again and again the purposefull, concerted, effort by NBC .. THE NAZI BROADCASTING COMPANY .. to destroy Clinton and elevate their next fuhrer Guiliani. This is of course exactly what they did to Gore, and then Kerry. It's the same game plan. So of course the evil stooge called REPIGLICAN CUMSLUT CHRISTINA MATTHEWS is at her best in the past couple of weeks SNIVELNG AND DRIVELING out the propaganda about Clinton as she wanks her little woodie under the table. This cumslut should be charged, tried and convicted , with Russert and Williams, for purposeful, criminal, fraud committed against the American people.
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THE SOUND OF GLOVED HANDS CLAPPING! On Hardball, Matthews is troubled again—by tape of Clinton clapping: // link // print // previous // next //
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 7, 2007
FLIRTING WITH THE TRUTH: It was unwise for Bill Clinton to say it; a candidate, or a campaign, can’t take the lead in such matters. But in Clinton’s ill-advised speech in Las Vegas, he started to tell the actual story of the past fifteen years—the story we liberals have refused to discuss. As best we can currently piece it together, here’s a chunk of what he said:
BILL CLINTON (11/5/07): We saw what happened the last seven years when we made decisions in elections based on trivial matters. We listened to people make snide comments about whether Vice President Gore was too stiff. And when they made dishonest claims about the things that he said that he'd done in his life. When that scandalous swift boat ad was run against Senator Kerry. When there was an ad that defeated Max Cleland in Georgia, a man that left half his body in Vietnam. Why am I saying this? Because, I had the feeling that at the end of that last debate we were about to get into cutesy land again. "Ya'll raise your hand if you're for illegal immigrants getting a driver's license.” So, we then let the Republicans go ahead saying all the Democrats are against the rule of law.
Clinton’s statement was unwise—but important, and accurate. It’s the story we liberals have refused to tell about the politics of the past fifteen years—the period in which (to cite one example) George Bush ended up in the White House when the mainstream press corps spent two years “ma[king] dishonest claims” about the things Gore hadn’t said. And please note: Though Clinton’s statement is now being doctored on cable, he seems to be talking about Russert and Williams, not Obama and Edwards, when he comments on last week’s debate. It was the moderators, not the candidates, who said (in effect), "Ya'll raise your hand if you're for illegal immigrants getting a driver's license,” thereby taking us “into cutesy land again.” In this statement, Clinton came dangerously close to explaining the politics of the past fifteen years.
No, a candidate—a campaign—can’t say such things; the press corps will instantly savage them for it. But Clinton was flirting with the truth in this statement—the truth we liberals have refused to tell, the truth we keep voters from knowing.
THE SOUND OF GLOVED HANDS CLAPPING: Once in a while, the glossy magazines give us a taste of High Insider Washington “Culture.” Vanity Fair offers the service this month, in a long report by Maureen Orth. Orth is Tim Russert’s wife.
In fairness, Orth is serving as the journalist here; she is simply reporting the inanity which forms the heart of her tedious article. But she