Hardball: Biden Repeats His Threat To Bush - Invade Iran And You'll Be Impeached
By Logan Murphy Monday Dec 03, 2007 8:17pm
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On Tuesday's Hardball, Senator Joe Biden appeared with Chris Matthews and talked about the new NIE report that showed Iran had halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Biden said last week that if the president chose to bypass Congress and invade Iran he would immediately call for his impeachment.
Biden stood behind those comments today, saying they were a warning to President Bush and that he has no constitutional authority to take us to war without congressional approval.
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I agree with Kucinich. it would be too late. Could you imagine trying to impeach a president in war time?
Oh yeah,,, I forgot.
Senator Biden sounded very tough.
Why wait for an invasion?
As much as I'd like to see shrub impeached, I'm not the slightest bit interested in him starting a war for this to get the wheels in motion.....and it would be slow motion, believe me.
Why not impeach him already? He lied us into Iraq and at least a million Iraqis are dead as a result. Almost 4000 Americans are dead, thousands maimed, and hundreds of billions have been spent.
Gee thanks, Joe. Like the past six years haven't been reason enough...
Tweety looked like he was getting a real boner on there :)
Stop with the BS Senator MNBA(Biden),You have grounds right now to impeach the Prez why wait.This is to appease the Dem base as the Senate & house Dems have capitulated on everthing the WH has put forward.
I've never trusted Biden, perceived him as a person of great intellect or thought he had any particular acumen in terms of foreign policy. I suspect the he doesn't think Bush will take military action against Iran, at least until his final moments in office (when it would be too late), otherwise Biden wouldn't have threatened impeachment. If he thinks there are grounds for impeachment, there is nothing to stop him from advocating it now.
Looks like Israel's government is unhappy with the NIE report because they so badly wanted us to attack Iran.
What a dishrag full of hot air. Impeach Chainy and bush-Rag now senator-boy. All the rest is just talk...
And if Biden had the power of impeachment, I would be impressed.
Good on yer, Joe, impeach The Dummy if he invades Iran. (Better make it ATTACKS Iran, you know how the republicans are for strict wording)
And just to make it more interesting, tell The Dummy you're going to impeach him if he DOESN'T attack Iran.
In fact, why not just impeach the SOB if he wakes up tomorrow?
Impeachment must come from Congress, not the Senate. The congress doesn't have the balls to impeach, so Biden can bluster all he wants, it is just bluster.
I'm really getting cynical. Why did I smile when I read this headline?
Biden would be a much better prez than shrub.
Joe..joe...where were ya when we needed ya?
Senator, why wait to impeach the drunken monkey for doing to Iran what he already did to Iraq.
Still, Sen. Biden, as far as I can tell, is the only Democratic candidate to use the I-word.
(Don't hold your breath for Hillary, Inc. to do likewise.)
As of this evening, Sen. Biden won my vote.
Impeach now. Why wait?
Biden is a phony.
He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations
Dick Cheney is a member of the CFR, in fact was once its President - but he kept that a secret from the public.
Good Cop-Bad Cop. Smoke and Mirrors. Keep the masses befuddled.
fiver @ 19:
and beat the Holiday rush!
That's just "Bring 'Em On!" to a dope like Bush.
Sheesh-keep your mouth shut, Biden. You'll start WWIII with bullshit playground talk like that.
Biden states that the actions of this administration are unconscionable. I'm in total agreement.
If committing an unconscionable act is not grounds for impeachment, what is??? Seriously. I just don't get it.
baffel them with bullshit huh bidden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All of the above comments are worth noting. However. I will say it's about time SOMEBODY in Congress expressed what Biden said. Again,I agree with my fellow commenters,BUT at least He said it.
Impeach Now! Kucinich: Right Then. Right Now. Biden said he will lead the move for Impeachment? This is ridiculous! Kucinich has lead the move for Impeachment even when it was not popular!
Kucinich is the mainstream. Kucinich has my vote!
Read HR 333!
Waiting and giving him an opportunity to attack is bullshit. This country wants them out now, both him and Cheney. He might just as well have told Bush to go ahead and attack, don't worry about it, we will talk about it later. Tough talk but it is meaningless, talk is cheap, we want action!
Bush could chop off Nancy Pelosi's head and pee into the stump live on national teevee & the Demo's would just marvel at what a great leader he is & still refuse to impeach.
It's slightly interesting that a few of the Dino contenders will from time to time cozy up to what should be the Demo base (Dodd claiming he'd prevent telecom immunity for wiretapping before just today cozying up to Don ("I pay him to write nigger jokes") Imus). But once they're elected they'll spit in the face of ordinary 'Murikans once more to serve their corporate masters . . .
Dave @ 18:
youd be wrong kucinich wants bush and cheny tried and hung!
"I like you, you're the real deal" -----NOT
I'm only a piss-poor Christian American patriot from Illinois, America, but I have to say, tonight, God Bless Mike McConnell, Michael Hayden, Robert Mueller or whoever got this $#!+ straightened out re: Iran.
Makes me proud as all get-go to fly my raggedy-@$$ stars and stripes tonight.
Yeah, let's wait until after Bush starts WWIII.
Then Bush can finish his term of office, relaxing in Dubai, getting drunk.
Bravo Senator Joe Biden!!! finally our guys are getting the airtime to call Bushco on their lies!
Here's the smoking gun Tweaty, that proves Bushco KNEW and lied about Iraq WMD ...
"It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure," Drumheller tells Bradley.
Drumheller was the CIA's top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t:
"The idea of going after Iraq was U.S. policy. It was going to happen one way or the other," says Drumheller. "
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml
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Bravo Senator Joe Biden!!! finally our guys are getting the airtime to call Bushco on their lies!
Here's the smoking gun Tweaty, that proves Bushco KNEW and lied about Iraq WMD ...
"It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure," Drumheller tells Bradley.
Drumheller was the CIA's top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/21/60minutes/main1527749.shtml
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big deal, it's about 2,000 American lives late wouldn't you say? not to mention the Iraqis. doesn't anyone else see the studied, judicial posturing of this guy? he tries to play the down home but he's arrogant.
Dave @ 18:
You have forgotten Kucinich's advocacy of impeachment.
Just by threatening to invade a country, Bush has committed an IMPEACHABLE offense.
Toss it on the pile, with the rest of his crimes.
I agree, impeachment wouldn't stop him. In fact, it would actually give him an excuse to be a saited martyr in his own mind.
(And boy, looks like Tweetie had got himself a new BFF, and told Tom DeLay he's not going to play with him anymore.)
Danielle @ 26:
Impeach Cheney with HR 333 and impeach Bush with HR 666. A befitting number for the devil of all presidents.
I agree, Kucinich laid it all out in HR 333.
Mayor McFlight Suit should have been run out of town on a rail long ago. Yet like the good little ventriloquist dummy that he is he just repeats what ever "The Shooter" feeds into his little wooden head. "I just learned about the Iran NIE last week."
but, but, but.......Bush has signing statements. he don't need
any approval to invade, he's the decider-er.
abarts @ 21:
The truth is that Bush doesn't DESERVE to be impeached for starting wars all over the place like a dog that hasn't been paper-trained. He should be impeached for one of his more petty-minded little dirty tricks, like telling them to make sure there weren't enough voting machines in the poor neighborhoods in Ohio. That would be appropriate. Measure the censure to the man. Nixon should have been impeached for bombing Cambodia, but Bush....he deserves to be impeached for stealing pencils from The Situation Room.
If you impeach yourself bush, we'll let you invade disneyland...deal?
Pericles @ 42:
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fiver @ 19:
why wait ? 'caz GW told him already that he is not going to get in Iran..Ha !
after reading posts here it seems that majority on this board knows that both these are doing their own job.
One is trying keep his TV show rating up, other one is scoring point for election by punching "GW Punch Bag".
biden can make all the noise he wants, but as long as Bush has his loyal and true allies Pelosi, Hoyer and Reid covering his back, he'll be ableto get away with mass murder. as many times as he pleases.
And Bush is quaking in his boots over the Democrats' idle threats. Why does he have to start another illegal war to get impeached? IMPEACH!
Too bad we don't have strong Dems like Morse and Fulbright anymore.
Oh, and decent and honest Repubs, too, like Dirksen and Baker. The ones who told Tricky Dick that the jig was up.
Note to Joe:
Why in the hell are you not calling for Bush's impeachment NOW (or last week, month, year...) for the crimes and treasons he has already committed?
Truth Be Told @ 20:
That's right- you get it. They won't have a real impeacher on there. Biden is one of the enemies of America that's tearing this places to pieces with lies and deceptions. Until he gives me a reason to think otherwise, that's my opinion.
All the evidence to impeach is there. Darth is sitting on it. Just declassify it, or make it a good long jail term to destroy evidence if that what he's been doing with it.
"I was on the big Hoohah Committee for umpteen years!" Really, who gives a shit?
So you want to impeach? Then quit flapping your cheeks in the wind and do something, senator.
"Blah, blah, blah, impeach, blah, blah..."
WHERE'S THE BEEF, SENATOR?
ohhh now all the Sudden Biden has balls, yea, sure you will Senator, are'nt u running for something??
ROM Spaceknight @ 31:
God bless a bunch of republicans? Please.
wisedup @ 43:
Hey, leave the Disney properties out of this. They're the only utopias left in the world.
kaT @ 52:
It's a lot more complex than that. It's not Republicans vs. Democrats, it's not even really simply lower & middle vs. upper class.
It's about answering the question, "Will you uphold the U.S. Constitution?"
BIDEN ... is he running for President or something like that?
You avoid starting another war by getting rid of bush now.
IMPEACH NOW!
Or just talk to the hand.
smgumby @ 14:
BINGO!!!
IMPEACH NOW!
I'm George Bush, M'rF'r, and I'm so quaking in me boots; 'cause Joe (BLOW) Biden says he' 'gonna 'peach my ass! F'n do it Dawg. You bitches been threaten' now for couple years! Come on! Get Real! Who you think you're play'n with?... Dickless Cheney? F'n Pssys!
impeach now or the next repub prez will be 1,000 times worse than Bush like 43's a thousand times worse than his father
Sorry Senator Biden- everyone sees through your political posturing.(see the majority of posts above). You are not fooling anyone here. Call for Impeachment now, there is more than ample evidence just on the surface. Start turning over rocks, and I think everyone will be astounded by the degree of corruption of this administration.
If you are going to wait for the pretext of an attack on Iran- then just (respectfully) shut up.
I agree, waiting for Bush or Cheney to attack Iran will be too late. If the NIE further convinced Bush that his stance towards Iran was correct, then I'm more convinced that Bush will attack Iran before he leaves office.
Second, Biden is incorrect if he thinks that it is somehow going to be easier to impeach the President after the strike. We are talking about a conflagration that has the potential of turning most of the Muslim world against the U.S. along with the governments of our various client states in the region. Scott Ridder has given a plausible scenario that every American should consider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XQan1qo8T4
I don't have the confidence Biden has that he will be able to launch a coalition to impeach a President in the middle of major combat operations. The arguments will be: We are in the middle of war. There are only a few months left. There are more important matters to attend to than how we got to this point.
If impeachment is going to mean anything, it has to happen before we strike Iran. Events will happen way too quickly afterwards. Bush is already guilty of many high crimes and threatening Iran is already a violation of international law, add to this that Bush is already a war criminal by any Nuremberg standard, and we already have one of the most impeachment deserving Presidents in our nation's history.
Biden's sabre-rattling and line drawing at this point is worthless. One needs to stand-up now to prevent this attack from happening, or be swept up in a lamentable and ugly course of human events that are wrong and utterly preventable.
Oh please, what a cheap stunt to boost his campaign. Bush is already impeachable.
I wish Joe was saying that in 2002 about Iraq. Unfortunately, the polls were telling him to bend over for Bush. Shame on this slimy politician.
No, they shouldn't be impeached, they should be charged-and there's no reason to wait another minute. Biden, you have blood on your hands for leaving these nuts in office.
Um, he has no constitutional authority now.
This is Biden's way of trying to get a few votes from the left...
Note to Joe:
Why in the hell are you not calling for Bush's impeachment NOW (or last week, month, year...) for the crimes and treasons he has already committed?
What I 'd like to see is previous comments formed into some decent debate questions and call Biden on the carpet and the rest of the enabling group (less Kucinich) who are not upholding the Constitution and their sworn duties
He said attack, not invade.
I think it's important to be clear on the difference ... he's for impeaching if there is any attack against Iran. That wouldn't even have to go as far as invasion.
Bush should of been impeached at least 3 years ago.
Biden stood behind those comments today, saying they were a warning to President Bush and that he has no constitutional authority to take us to war without congressional approval.
Complete bullshit. If Bush has no authority to go to war against Iran, then he had no authority to go to war against Iraq either. Biden is one war (at least) too late.
Come on Biden. Do we really have to wait until this clown gets froggy with his "bring it on attitude" to impeach him. If we wait there may be no country or congress left to impeach the bum. He's a proven loser and now the dems are waiting until he does the last part of his dirty deed in taking the country down before they are willing to impeach. He needs to be impeached today. which candidate is saying that now and has said it from the very beginning. Kuncinich. The way the media has discounted him, is he even a force any more.
I guess the first 862 reasons (including an illegal war) were not enough eh" Senator?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.....whatever Joe. Talk the talk, but can't walk the walk. If the republocrats had any intestinal fortitude, the WarPigs would have been history by now. There was more than enough reason to impeach Cheney and Bush long before now. It's too late in the game now. I hope I'm wrong and they do slap Articles of Impeachment upside their worthless heads, then maybe my faith the U.S. Government would be restored.
I don't want hollow promises of impeachment. the first candidate to actually begin the push for impeachment has my vote. i don't care how he/she stands on the rest of the issues. this is the first and foremost order of business. before this ship can right itself, these crooks have to pay.
The first thing they the congress hsould do is rescind immediattelly that goofy proclamation about Iran the one that Hillary signed up for. I hope someone would ask the question "Now that we seem to have strong proof that Iran is not engaged in andy nuclear weapons program would it not be appropriate to rescind that goofy delcalration of the congress agaisnt the government of Iran?"
So apparently it takes a second fraudulent invasion of a country to merit impeachment. One isn't enough.
Oooopsss Fuckwad Lieberman gets it wrong again!
http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=281973
Repeal the Brownback-Kyl amendment and rescind permission for Bush to illegally invade Iran! NOW! Tell Hillary to sponser this new amendment and rehabilitate her honor!
Wheras it has been proven by REAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATES not blowhard nutjobbers who are allowed to run this country at this time we hereby rescind the idiotic and illegal Brownback-Kyl ammendmnet immediattly and instruct Mr Bush that if any military action is taken against Iran without specific and legal approval of the congress we will immediattley initiate Impeachment proceedings and remove him from office for High Crimes and Misdeameanors and ship him and his entire fukin family to the Hague!
Seems like Biden is playing hardball with his comments. Sorry for the pun. :)
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Could someone PLEASE! Inform the good(?) Senator that impeachment happens in the House of Representatives.
The Senate votes to convict or not.
This moronic wannabe pResident IS NOT a House Representative. If he wants to impeach, then he should go become a House Representative and stop being a Senator.
He should at least be questioning the other chamber of Congress, "Where is that impeachment for the Senate to try?"
What does he think Americans are, stupid and ignorant?
The fact that he plays it so should be cause for worry. This is a man who doesn't know which end of the costume he holds up. Oh dear, he's got the part with the donkey's tail. And he thinks he's leading?
LOL
F O O L!
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Mommy Nancy won't let it happen.
no long a proud american @ 74:
That would be Dennis Kucinich.
YOU CAN EVEN GOOGLE IT!
In fact, Kucinich is the ONLY one running for president that isn't afraid to be held to the same standards as the Constitution. All the others prefer to keep the status quo so that they too, can not be held accountable. See, if they let the president TORTURE, INITIATE WARS OF AGGRESSION, WIRETAP AMERICANS- WARRANTLESSLY, etc, then the ground is set to excuse it's continuation, "Because it was O.K. under Bush, it must be assumed that ANY continuation is acceptable.
JUST HOW IS CONGRESS SUPPORTING AND DEFENDING OUR CONSTITUTION OF THESE FIFTY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WHEN THEY EXCUSE THE USURPATION AND WILLFULL VIOLATION OF THAT VERY DOCUMENT, IT'S LAWS AND PRINCIPLES THEY ARE BOUND TO THROUGH THEIR OATH OF OFFICE? AND WHEN DONE WITH MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION IT IS CALLED TREASON.
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Snowball @ 3:
Exactly, since Bush believes in preemptive strikes, Biden should believe in preemptive impeachment for both Dumbyass and Dick.
What about "Invade Iraq and you'll be impeached?"
I mean, I'm confused, if the methods and goals for invading Iran match those of the run-up and subsequent war with Iraq, what immunity does a one letter difference in the name of a given middle eastern country give?
curtilingus @ 1:
Can you imagine trying to impeach Bush for attacking Iran 7-10 days before he has to get out of office?!
Biden is a hypocrit
Why are we not giving more support to Biden and Dodd?
Hey dems, remind me again WHY THE FVCK ARE YOU STILL WAITING?!?!
IMPEACH NOW, their crimes are overflowing their ability to censor the media!
There's is blood in the water. Where are all the sharks?
MacDaKnife @ 86:
Because the silly media has decided they enjoy covering Hillary "neocon in a skirt" Clinton and Barack "secretary of hope" Obama.
The fact that Biden and Dodd aren't getting more attention says something less than positive about the democrats. Richardson too, to a lesser extent, I mean I get the feeling from Richardson that he really stopped trying a while back.
Personally I am a Edwards guy but in absence of him i would go Biden in a second... in fact now I just might go Biden anyway.
Go Biden -- but shouldn't that be impeaching *CHENEY?*
Or, as John Dean suggests, start with David Addington, Cheney's attorney and partner in grabbing power for *decades*.
There will be no impeachment. This president will serve the remainder of his term with his legacy in tow. The Congress cannot impeach because they are powerless.
Dennis K is the only way to go, all else is just the same ole BS.
Max-1 @ 80:
Biden is such a jackass.
He has played his cry wolf routine so many times in my lifetime, and every single time he backs down. In this case, he doesn't have the votes, so he is playing politics without any chance of success or reality to these claims.
smgumby @ 14:
You misspelled 'votes.' But it is the lack of votes for conviction in the Senate that are at issue, not the 30 votes shy in the House.
Biden and what army? He makes Bush stronger by making threats he can't back up.
Pericles @ 38:
Mmmm, salted martyrs! Bet you can't eat just one.
(I think you meant sainted, but salted martyrs is how my brain and crappy eyesight read it).
Reality_Check @ 91:
They are only 'powerless' if you are only talking about the loyal part of the Congress. The disloyal part of the Congress has still too much power.
The thing is a joke. Shows how much Biden is a clueless Senator with delusions of grandeur.