This is it: The smoking gun that will lead to a political mushroom cloud -- IF there is even a vestige left of what used to be called the PRESS in this country.

Bob in PA @ 1:

This is it: The smoking gun that will lead to a political mushroom cloud -- IF there is even a vestige left of what used to be called the PRESS in this country.

You will notice that there has been no mention of any of this in the MSM except for a fleeting sentence.

Even if the press does pick it up, the leadership of the Democratic Party will ignore it all.

I'm convinced there is nothing that would move Nancy Pelosi or John Conyers to do the right thing.

I wonder why???

I suspect Mukasey will soon have to "tend to family and personal issues."

Is he saying there was a call and they knew where from (Afghanistan safe house) but they didn't know where it went? Is he cornering himself in that statement. if not what the hell does he mean.

Thats like calling the police to report a killing in progress, the police saying they knew you called, but dont know what happened to the call (even though they admit they got it)

Though an atheist I promise to thank god every day, for Rachael Maddow. And Keith, of course.

We were sold down the river as americans!
sold , bought and paid for from the scums inside the hill at the time during 9/11.
ppl died saving lifes,, ppl died inside those buildings and yet where are those so called insiders that hid the intell?
no brain? no minds?

Its disgusting to know this was my former state NYS! where the fuck was the Gov at the time?
Piss on all of you repigs,, and BUSH supporters!!!!!!! ÁND the same for rudy lovers.

corruption, lying, ineptitude, fear mongering traitorous bastards.

Like Gonzales before him, and so many others in the Bush-league administration, Mukasey appears to be whoring himself at the altar of untrammeled executive power. Shame on them. Shame on us for letting him and his ilk get away with it.

SK, Why? Does he say something that bothers you? You know, the truth?

Abbybwood @ 4:

Even if the press does pick it up, the leadership of the Democratic Party will ignore it all.

I'm convinced there is nothing that would move Nancy Pelosi or John Conyers to do the right thing.

I wonder why???

Their agenda is to get reelected. Nothing else matters to them.

He is probably lying because he is playing the 9/11 card lately. Still no justice in the Justice Dept. just another bush lawyer like Ganzo. You can thank Feinstein and Schumer for this guy.

Why is anyone surprised at this?

According to Common Dreams:

We’ve been here before. As Christopher Dickey points out in an on-line commentary for Newsweek, just one month before terrorists struck the World Trade Center, "... panicked CIA analysts flew to Texas to brief Bush personally in [August] 2001, to intrude on his vacation with face-to-face alerts. Bush sized them up, as is his wont, looking to judge the content of what they told him by the confidence with which the message was delivered. Bush wasn’t convinced. ‘All right,’ said the president, ‘you’ve covered your ass now’... "

Bugs @ 17:

Like Gonzales before him, and so many others in the Bush-league administration, Mukasey appears to be whoring himself at the altar of untrammeled executive power. Shame on them. Shame on us for letting him and his ilk get away with it.

Mukasey proved himself reliable to the machinery of the state when he covered for it in the 1993 WTC bombing trial.

The trial where he, as trial judge, buried the secretly recorded conversations between the FBI and the informant about subbing out the real explosives, for dummy explosives. Of course, the FBI wanted the real explosives.

that earned Mukasey a nod for the AG.

P.D. @ 23:

Leslie. I, too, am filled with rightous indignation.

I was being somewhat sarcastic. But it really fries my bacon. I live in NYC, the WTC ash covered my neighborhood, friends worked in and around the WTC. And this ASSHOLE claims there was a call from an Afghan safe house!? Then tries to blame Democrats!? As if the GOP will keep us safer...with duct tape.

Well, I'm off to breakfast. ... later folk.

OMG!!

9-11 Conspiracy Talk by Olbermann & Maddow ???

.. at long last ..

http://www.cnn.com/feedback/confirmation/AM.show.html

hardball@msnbc.com

joe@msnbc.com

nightly@nbc.com

Above, please find FOUR AVENUES of APPROACH to enable you to sound off a bit if you are really angry about these revelations.

VENT... BE ANGRY... but also BE CIVIL.

Regards...

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azureblue @ 32:

M's statement is interesting, viewed in the context of how Bush & Rice pointedly ignored frantic warnings from Clark etc., the outgoing administration, plus international warnings, about an attack. Clinton's people knew that an attack, most likely on the WTC and by airplane, was looming. Clark all but waved the data in Bush's face. Others tried to warn him- they knew somethign was going to happen real soon . But Bush said, and a quote, "Fine, you've covered your ass", when told. And Rice refused to even meet with them.

That is why, when Bush was told about the attacks, he registered no surprise, and simply returned to reading a book. Bush knew, and did nothing.

So M underscores this fact. They knew.

BTW I wonder how the Supreme Court feels, knowing what horror it brought upon this country by thwarting the election process and installing Bush as President

What evidence do you have that Clinton knew the attacks would include the WTC? I've never heard that before. Although I have heard a similar complaint lodged against Giuliani--for basing the emergency response command center in the WTC, when the WTC had been attacked in 1993 and for his not taking terrorism seriously before 9/11.

Leslie, I feel for you, and me, and the country.

The smoking gun!

Leslie @ 20:

I'm shocked to learn that the Bush administration was incompetent: that they were warned repeatedly about 9/11 and did nothing. And then they lie about it for political reasons!? I'm absolutely shocked!

Its actually much worse than this - official story doesn't hold up to scrutiny - you have just given us a "best case" scenario that actually gives most of the criminal cabal a "get out of jail free" card.

Leslie @ 20:

I'm shocked to learn that the Bush administration was incompetent: that they were warned repeatedly about 9/11 and did nothing. And then they lie about it for political reasons!? I'm absolutely shocked!

I'm not.

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little bear @ 47:

nah nah nah nah

quickly inserts fingers in ears while making loud noises and closing eyes ;)

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Real engineers have explained how the towers fell; it had happened to a similarly constructed building while being built as well.

No one has still explained WTC7 though.

AgentX @ 54:

You guys will have to tell me about the coverage, since I'm out of town.

So, does this prove the conspiracy theorists were right the whole time?

I don't think this proves any conspiracy theory's, but it does prove this admin's gross negligence and their self rightous indignation with regards to 9/11. Incompetent boobs.

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Andy K Jong Il @ 56:

Leslie & ferrofluid-

Don't engage with 'em. Take it from a long-timer: this is the type of shit that has, in the past, resulted in:

1). MAJOR flame wars

2).MASSIVE delete-a-thons

and

3).MULTIPLE bannings

Thanks. Didn't know what I said wrong. But apparently some topics are taboo for the reasons you give.

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Glad you have kept your cover. Shows real courage.

♣Bangkok Bob♠ @ 15:

corruption, lying, ineptitude, fear mongering traitorous bastards.

corruption to the core, and, across the aisle.. this is what I said in the crocodile tears thread:

enough @ 59:

Tell me again why we had to confirm this Bushbot. His son is a partner in Giuliani's law firm who is representing Verizon. Can you say Corporatocracy? When will Obama address the military industrial complex? We need real leadership to get us out of this hell. Nothing should be sent from congress to the DOJ. It is compromised.
Don'task. Convict.

Truth B Told @ 46:

Mucous-ey was the judge in the first WTC bombing in 93 that suppressed the evidence from the FBI informant that was recorded in secret, of the FBI handler ordering the bombing to go forward with LIVE bombs, versus having the informant use a dummy material...

the FBI was in on it, and knew of it.

They LIHOP.

Otay @ 6:

Thanks again, Feinstein, Schumer and all of the other dim-bulbed spineless Dems who gave us this Bushie. Oh, and thanks to Bob Mulholland for name-calling those of us trying to censor Feinstein.

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Schumer is as bad, if not worse than Sweinstein, but gets a very easy ride, even here @ C&L. Bushbot maybe, but:

US Senators LIEberman-sFeinstein-Schumer: the Axis of AIPAC Zionists. It’s quite obvious that fascist AIPAC, in their Israel over America agenda are responsible for “persuading” these as fascist
politicians/ traitors to vote against the US interests. We are rushing towards the Israeli police state model like a runaway train. Mukasey is a rabid supporter of Zionist Israel, an apologist for Israeli terror tactics in Occupied Palestine, and a racist against ALL non-Jews. LIEberman, Schumer and Mukasey are all Orthodox Jews.

The US is AIPAC's unlimited cash register without any bottom (WE, the PEOPLE, all the taxpayers) . Therefore, it comes as no surprise that they want someone who supports torture and is willing to rape the US Constitution while holding the office of the US Attorney General. To them, the US AG has to have no other loyalty but to Israel and it's 5th Column, the AIPAC (American Israel Political Action Committee). And so the cold shadow of the totalitarian state continues to spread across America.

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How the OCTOPUS works

Mukasey, a Reagan appointed federal district judge for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan for 18 years, was a Chief Judge from March 2000 through July 2006.

Schumer personally introduced Bush's choice to replace Gonzales, former federal judge Michael Mukasey. Schumer RECOMMENDED Mukasey for confirmation. Schumer, along with Sen. Feinstein, allowed the confirmation to move on to the full Senate (betrayed by Schumer & Feinstein, 11-8 vote of Senate Judiciary Committee).

"Schumer was and remains a supporter of the Iraq War Resolution, AIPAC member, and a strident Pro-Israel member of Congress." - wikipedia.

WHY would be publicity seeking media-whore Chuck so enamored w/ Mukasey ?

Chuck Schumer's wife, Iris Weinshall, was appointed Commissioner of the New York City Department of Transportation by then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani on September 8, 2000, and left the post on April 13, 2007 during Bloomberg administration. Bloomberg testified at some point, that Schumer's wife was one of only TWO Giuliani functionaries he (Bloomberg) was asked by Giuliani to retain on his payroll.

She was shuffled between various NYC posts in various NYC govt departments since she married Chuck in 1980. She screwed up in one, was moved to the next. With education in Public Administration she had no training/ expertise in ANYTHING professional: Environmental Protection, Buildings, Transportation -
but these were the sectors she was put on charge of. We, the Taxpayers were paying her salary, NYC govt cars, protection, etc, etc. ALL HER LIFE !!

Her job as DOT Commissioner came into the spotlight following the 2003 Staten Island Ferry crash that killed 11 passengers, with tens more seriously injured and maimed for life.. After the deadly crash, Iris Weinshall came under harsh criticism for allowing patronage relationships to compromise the safety of the ferry operations. The Staten Island Ferry system transports 65,000 passengers a day between Staten Island and Manhattan.

Mukasey, then a a Chief Judge for the Southern District of New York in Manhattan, let her OFF the hook: declared she had no criminal responsibility for the FERRY crash, although she was the NYC DOT Commissioner in charge. However, when the private lawsuits started coming in, she was advised to move on, and PROMOTED: Schumer's wife, Iris Weinshall is a vice chancellor at the City University of New York since April 2007 (her salary is now ~ U$ 250,000, plus the cars, security, etc- TAXPAYERS paid !!!). She is -again- in charge of FACILITIES, subject she knows NOTHING about,
having education in public admin.

In the same year 2003, Sen. Chuck Schumer recommended Mukasey as a candidate for a Supreme Court appointment. Didn't work out for crafty AIPAC judge, the PAYOLA had to be postponed until 2007 AG games. The Kongre$$ proceedings were just the game for unsusspecting taxpayers, and TeeVee..

Here's Mukasey nomination Chuck Schumer's, own Giuliani connection. As associate attorney general in 1983, Giuliani rebuffed Brooklyn U.S. Attorney Ray Dearie, who had recommended Schumer's indictment based on allegations involving his initial election to Congress in 1980.

Schumer's wife, Iris Weinshall, before she took over the transportation job (causing the SI Ferry crash through total negligence and lack of mgmt/supervision), she was a Deputy Commissioner under Giuliani at another agency, NYC Department of Buildings, where she oversaw the construction of the bunker at 7 World Trade Center, owned by Larry Silverstein, another Orthodox Jew. She was the ONLY top NYC official who must have signed -off on the bunker construction and occupancy NYC permits. AGAINST ALL the NYC Building Codes.

Despite NYC: Ferry Crash Settlement

"The city has settled about two-thirds of 186 personal injury claims in connection with the crash, for a total of more than $34 million, the Law Department said. The largest payments were about $9 million each to a man and a woman who lost both legs. "

It got more interesting last week:

Court Finds City Was Negligent in S.I. Ferry Crash

" A federal appeals court on Thursday found that New York City was negligent for the deadly crash of a Staten Island ferry in 2003 and cannot have its liability limited. The ruling is a major victory for dozens of plaintiffs who have sued the city, including relatives of some of the 11 people killed in the crash of the ferry, the Andrew J. Barberi. "

Will Schumer's wife be EVER kept accountable for causing death and injuries to the TAXPAYERS paying her salaries, cars, security - ALL HER LIFE ?!! Don't hold your breath ..

So, who really RULES our country:

AIPAC uber Alles !!!
Herr Schumer, Frau Sweinstein, fur Herr Mukasey/AG, und Frau Hillary/President !

Mukasey is heading the US Justice Department with indictment of Giuliani’s former police commissioner and business partner, Bernard B. Kerik. Neither presidential spokespersons nor Mukasey would return reporters' inquiries into whether Mukasey would recuse himself from the Kerik case.

Mukasey did swear in the crossdessing mayor Rudy in both 1994 and 1998, he donated heavily to his presidential campaign. The thrice-married Giuliani was also married to Donna Hanover (his second marriage) by ... Mukasey !!!

Mukasey got all choked up thinking of Israel - that with ANY telecom lawsuit the following will be BACK on front pages: It is a FACT that 95% of US telephone billing/directories/calling record for both land-lines and cell phones is handled by ONE private company, AMDOCS, with HQ in Tel Aviv suburb (that explains the real
purpose of telecoms ‘deregulation’: to give US $$ -and intelligence- to Israel in much bigger amounts, and ‘officially’). Which gives Israeli AMDOCS real-time access to nearly every telephone in the country, including records of phone calls.
The private info of US citizens regarding nearly EVERY single phone call is routed to Israel. Amdocs has been investigated on several occasions by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, for suspected ties to the Israeli mafia, as well as to espionage for Sharon/Netanyahu govts.

In 1999, the National Security Agency issued a TOP SECRET/Sensitive Compartmentalized Information (TS/SCI) report, warning that all American phone records were getting into the hands of foreign governments—particularly the Israeli government. How does that help our national security?

Where/ how is our privacy protected here ?? Tapping into ALL to provide more info to Israel ? Why there is NOTHING done about keeping ALL of this real-time most sensitive INTELLIGENCE info in the US ??

Ask the AIPAC 5th column in the Kongre$$: LIEberman, Sweinstein, Boxer, Schumer, Hillary, Rahm Emanuel, Hoyer, etc, etc, etc..

joe mama @ 67:

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Glad you have kept your cover. Shows real courage.

Screw you too mike!

That is not actually what i said...

xoites Hussein (non typical white person) defends Constitution @ 70:

Andy K Jong Il @ 65:

AgentX @ 54:

You guys will have to tell me about the coverage, since I'm out of town.

So, does this prove the conspiracy theorists were right the whole time?

No.

If this story is true, it proves, however, that the Bush administration was incompetent at best, permissive at worst. If this is true, it proves nothing outside those perameters.

Once again-IF it is true. Because Mukasey might have simply lied for political reasons.

I think it is the latter. He knows he lied and we know he lied when he pretended FISA did not exist at the time he is refering to.

Shall we take bets? I bet it's both: the administration knew of a phone call from an Afghan safe house to the US warning of 9/11, but due to sheer incompetence didn't do anything. Mukasey let slip this tidbit in order to use it for political advantage. Whoops.

Leslie @ 73:

xoites Hussein (non typical white person) defends Constitution @ 70:

Andy K Jong Il @ 65:

AgentX @ 54:

No.

If this story is true, it proves, however, that the Bush administration was incompetent at best, permissive at worst. If this is true, it proves nothing outside those perameters.

Once again-IF it is true. Because Mukasey might have simply lied for political reasons.

I think it is the latter. He knows he lied and we know he lied when he pretended FISA did not exist at the time he is refering to.

Shall we take bets? I bet it's both: the administration knew of a phone call from an Afghan safe house to the US warning of 9/11, but due to sheer incompetence didn't do anything. Mukasey let slip this tidbit in order to use it for political advantage. Whoops.

typical bushco bot, let them talk and they eventually will let slip the grisly details on everything.
they are like the proverbial small child, to be seen and not allowed to talk.

The Bush Administration is incompetent? GMAFB!

Come on. Get real and look at the truth.

What Bush and The competent Neocons have accomplished...

Iraq War 2 (and probably Gulf War 1)
The deaths of almost 1 million Iraqis and displacement of refugees
Taken Iraqi oil off the market
Kept Iraq from opening non-US dollar bourse
Stacked the Supreme Court with Neocons with a cake-walk confirmation
Escaping justice for numerous domestic and International War crimes
Escaping impeachment with collusion of key Democrats (fellow CFR members)
Enriched war machine & Military Industrial Complex
Installed 2 Attorney Generals who would block investigations and supeaonas and ignore whistle-blowers
Gutted Habeas Corpus
Rationalized torture
Conveniently misplaced trillions (Sept 10th, 2001) and later billions of dollars
Reestablished record breaking opium production in Afghanistan
Implemented extraordinary rendition and secret torture camps
Manipulated - Stole 2000 and 2004 elections
Used hoaxed Niger Yellow-cake "evidence" with no political repercussions.
Lied about Iraqi WMD's
Lied about Jessica Lynch-Pat Tillman
Working on reigniting Russian-American Cold War (Russian bomber flights, etc)
Gutted independent officer corps
Christianization of the military
Massive expenditures for Chem-Bio, Space Weapons, Internet cybercorps
Intimidation (or willful cooperation) of Media & Business
Permanent military bases in Iraq
Passed Patriot Act after convenient Anthrax and Manchurian-style Sniper attacks
Passed Military Commissions Act
Massive debt to break government (and public)
Electronic surveillance and massive databases
Illegal warrantless wiretaps
First-rate mercenary force enriched and empowered
Broke Posse Comitatus precedent with Blackwater and US military domestic deployment
Blinding of America to Iranian nuclear program
Decimated New Orleans post-Katrina (dry-run for martial law)
Coopted Justice Department
Turned over key regulatory agencies to the foxes of industry (ex. Mining, Forestry)
Freed Scooter Libby with no political cost
Bankruptcy "reform"
No Child Left Behind and other Orwellian named govt initiatives
Garnered cooperation of fellow CFR and Trilateral Democrats to enable agenda
Unending blank checks from Congress
Convenient benefiting from a "New Pearl Harbor" that they were pleading for in their PNAC documents
Pulled a sham Investigation on 9-11 over on the public for a paltry $15 million

But the piece de resistance - Conning the American public that they are incompetent.

And you honestly believe that sacrificing 3000 civilians on 9/11 and an ongoing body count currently at 3900+ troops to achieve their goals is beyond them both ethically and logistically? Wake up.

What more do you want to qualify them as a success? Most people think they are incompetent because they are operating according to a different game-plan, or paradigm, than the normal person. Normal people wouldn't operate at this level of corruption and genuine evil. These people are expert Machiavellian psychopaths (with a strong dose of Straussian Noble Lie telling) and to attempt to associate normal behaviors to them is an exercise in futility. You absolutely CANNOT continue to believe that the administration is incompetent - they are completely competent and shocking us into accepting a fascist version of America (just like Prescott Bush and his cohorts in the financial elite and industrialists tried in the 1930s)

Machiavelli - who greatly influenced Strauss - laid out how the elites would/coopt any form of government they wanted:

He who desires or attempts to reform the government of a state, and wishes to have it accepted and capable of maintaining itself to the satisfaction of everybody, must at least retain the semblance of the old forms; so that it may seem to the people that there has been no change in the institutions, even though in fact they are entirely different from the old ones.

Machiavelli. Discourses on Livy

Democrats and Republicans - NEITHER are your friends.

ferrofluid @ 75:

Leslie @ 73:

xoites Hussein (non typical white person) defends Constitution @ 70:

Andy K Jong Il @ 65:

I think it is the latter. He knows he lied and we know he lied when he pretended FISA did not exist at the time he is refering to.

Shall we take bets? I bet it's both: the administration knew of a phone call from an Afghan safe house to the US warning of 9/11, but due to sheer incompetence didn't do anything. Mukasey let slip this tidbit in order to use it for political advantage. Whoops.

typical bushco bot, let them talk and they eventually will let slip the grisly details on everything.
they are like the proverbial small child, to be seen and not allowed to talk.

Alberto did the wiase thing even tho it seemed obtuse and evasive, he claimed amnesia 80 odd times during his appearance in Congress, he didnt trust his intellect and anything he said.
A classic case of liars and lies becoming so big they cant tell tell or trust their own framework.

mudshark @ 78:

truthbetold#77
4010 as of yesterday.

yeah, I know. I forgot to update the number b4 posting it.